Now that the dust has settled, was The New 52 a good idea or not?

How would you have handled it?

Just make it a soft reboot. Don't remove all the continuity but maintain jumping on points for all comics. There can still be major and new status quo for characters. Almost all the big changes ended up getting undone.

I liked it, late 2000s DC was terrible

I agree and disagree. The DC universe was in dire straits after Final Crisis and Blackest Night, it needed some pretty significant refreshing in order for the relaunch to be successful in hooking new readers. That being said the reboot was handled incredibly poorly via a mediocre event that was never intended to be a reboot and the incredibly haphazard restructuring of canon only made things worse.

start with infinite crisis OR rebirth. you are never going to get over the new 52 if you start with it

you are never going to get over the new 52 if you start with it

Cause it's so good?

It refused to commit to the idea of a full reboot, and it suffered for it.

As a replacement to mainline ongoings? No. As an Alt U line not meant to ever crossover with the regular ongoings? Not the worst idea ever.

But they didn’t do that and the books were all awful

make superman Jew

No

Jewper man? I'm here all week.

No

it's not extraordinary but compared to other "eras" it feels more cohesive (regardless of continuity issues). it's its own little universe so if i could do it again i wouldn't start there.

it feels more cohesive (regardless of continuity issues)

That’s not even remotely true. The early two thousands that preceded it was remarkably cohesive. I’d argue the last time the company really felt like it had an interconnected universe. The new 52 was just a bunch of egotistical assholes doing whatever they felt like while bastardizing much better comics.

as a reboot it was shit, if it had been dc's ultimate universe it could have been okay. shrink the line down to a few core books and i think it would have done well. if it had just been new 52 action comics, batman, wonder woman, and justice league i think people would still look back fondly on it.

WORST. IDEA. EVER.

It was a pointless half assed attempted to draw in new readers that only existed in pissing off it's existing fan base.

buy our shitty redos of old stories

No

Good idea, too bad they gave in to pathetic fanboys.

Muh jumping on point

When did this suddenly become a hot issue. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that any reader who started before the year 2000 probably jumped into comics with some random mid point story, possibly numbered in the dozens if not hundreds, possibly in the middle of some event and not only where we not turned away, not only did we not have trouble understanding we became life long fans. But you look at discourse now and it's like every retard on the internet needs a whole personal bespoke recommendation chart or they won't understand the most basic obvious stuff. You used to see a mountain of back issues and history as something to be excited about. You'd get your new issue then spend a bit in the back issue bend filling in gaps.

Jumping on points is the easiest way to spike sales. #1s always sell well and then sales decline as people figure out if they're interested or not. Marvel abused the fuck out of them for a while to the point of relaunching a comic with the same creative team after a few years. That happened with Hulk and Daredevil. Captain Marvel did that many times but they usually had different people. For DC they made a lot of money with New 52 because they were starting new series all the time when one wasn't selling. They were dominating sales for about a year before it all settled down. Invincible made fun of abusing #1 issues and did their own jumping on issue but at least it wasn't a relaunch.

When did this suddenly become a hot issue.

When comic book sales kept going down and down. For every new reader / month you'd get, you'd lose 4 old farts that just had enough.

Sales are worse than ever thanks to the renumberings and relaunches. To say nothing of the overly progressive content driving customers away in an effort to appeal to a demographic that doesn’t get off Twitter let alone pay for comics.

Sales are worse than ever

Now. But for a few years they were on the rise.

I'm looking to jump into DC but I don't know where to start

go to your LCS and grab something off the shelf that looks interesting
DC isn't a universe with any definite starting points. runs and minis are designed to be self-contained. if it's got a #1 in the title, it's probably as good a starting point as any.

I feel like it became an issue as it became less common to do one off issues or issues that at least could stand on their own, instead making every issue part of the ongoing storyline for that character.

And then the new fans end up leaving anyways because they were never really comic people. They were just jumping on the trend or the hype wagon. So you basically lost your core audience chasing a phantom that didn't want to commit because they would rather by funkos.

"hurr where do i start" is a meme pushed by mangatards who have made no attempt to read comics and have no intention of ever trying.

And then the new fans end up leaving anyways because they were never really comic people

If you mean they aren't going to put up with a lot of the retarded writing that's inherently "comic books" then sure.

Mangachads are right though.

So many comics are written in ways that are easy to follow because they were always meant to be picked up off the news stand. This wasn't just some Jim Shooter shit either. If you pick up an issue of Batman and he's fighting Joker you don't really need to know their last battles to understand this one. You don't need to know a whole history to figure out why Batman needs to stop a clown from poisoning the city reservoir. Moreover if the issue ends in some big reveal where fucking Raz shows up it's going to be framed in a way that makes it a big deal so a new reader can tell "Oh boy this guy is trouble." The characters may allude to past confrontation but all a new reader needs to know is that they have a history not what that history is. So much of comics is easily understood through context.

Corporate shilling ironically degrades and destroys the industry they shill.

Heaven fucking forbid people want a clear narrative with a recognizable beginning and end rather than a disjointed schizophrenic mess that you have to read hundreds of issues, dozens of tie-ins and countless authors' script notes and social media posts to make any sense of and only a turbo-autistic NEET would even bother to

This is why gaijin comics are dying a humiliating death.

IS THAT A SINGLE BIT OF INFORMATION I DON'T KNOW OR HAVE TO GLEAM THROUGH CONTEXT!!! NOOOOOOOOO I NEED A 7 HOUR VIDEO TELLING ME HOW TO FIGURE THINGS OUT!!

you have made no attempt to read comics and have no intention of ever trying.

I NEED A 7 HOUR VIDEO TELLING ME HOW TO FIGURE THINGS OUT!!

That's literally you. Mangachads just read the product.

Piecing together your own personal understanding of events is KINO. Mangatards are all over-mediated vaxxies.

And manga has its own problems. Getting axed or translations stop. So there's a good chance you're getting screwed over. Even the stuff officially translated can't keep up with years between volumes.

You should get invested in a shitty story that's a retread of a retread of a storyline penned before your grandfather was born even though it's not even good or entertaining and will have no long-term consequences or meaning or anything because it'll be retconned in a week or so

Why?

But enough about your typical modern manga...

Right because the typical shonen slop isn't completely done to death

I'M GONNA BE THE NUMBER 1 HERO HOKAGE WIZARD PIRATE KING!!! PLEASE LOOK AT ME MALE RIVAL KUN!!!

>Heaven fucking forbid people want a clear narrative with a recognizable beginning and end

That’s not the format they’re written for though. It’s like asking why a square isn’t round. And you’re ignoring that there are plenty of mini series from both dc and marvel at do this, as well as hundreds of non-big 2 comics that do this. You’re also ignoring that many of the most popular translated manga are endless ongoings with no end either, just perpetual middle.

That’s not the format they’re written for though.

And that's precisely why they suck ass.

Other genres aren't any better.

i want to live a peaceful life so i will allow myself to be abused while secretly being the strongest

look at all these girls that want to have sex with me but i'm deathly allergic to girls showing interest in me

fantasy world? let's go defeat the demon king and pick up some cute animal girl slaves along the way!

the entire story is a bunch of misunderstandings between two people that like each other and we're hundreds of chapters into this without them figuring it out!

look how edgy things are! with rape and violence and suffering! but there's also the power of friendship!

You do realize manga comes out in the same format you dweeb. English only dullards just get the trade format later on.

or translations stop

That's not an actual problem though.

I'm beginning to understand why the Japanese and mangacels can't have sex.

Now explain why America loves trannies so much.

Official and fan translated stuff is almost always volumes behind the Japanese version. Only the super popular stuff like shonen manga going for a decade get translated asap. Sometimes you can find the raws and sometimes you know they're out there but not even that has been uploaded.

That's Japan's fault.

it is for you, because you're not japanese and you never will be

We just voted for TTD. Try keeping up, tranime.

it is for you

For you, not for me and certainly not for the medium of manga.

why would it be a problem for me? i don't read jap crap.

No you didn't. Is 20% of the american population trans?

n-no u

The next four years are going to be glorious.

incoherent babbling about trannies

yeah, we're done here

n-no u

That's not what I said, retard. Is this all because of Trumpy? Have you retards forgotten he already got to be president once?

hockey sucks because it isn’t baseball

Stop being retarded