Serious question; why doesn't anyone care about Quicksilver? Wanda/Scarlet Witch is popular, so you'd think regardless of films you'd see more of her twin brother in comics. Not only that, I'm surprised Marvel doesn't attempt to capitalize on their own Speedster to compete with The Flash from DC. Do you want to see more of Pietro in Marvel books, and if so, what would you like to see? Who should he interact with? Should he get a solo series?
Serious question; why doesn't anyone care about Quicksilver? Wanda/Scarlet Witch is popular...
I think a lot of current creatives got annoyed after editorial got cold feet about making him bi at the last second.
That was 10 years ago though and he does pop up in Wanda's book regularly enough.
He has been kind of sidelined since the early 90s. No one has ever had any kind of use for him since.
He was just as shat upon as Wanda in House of M and Son of M
I think in general Marvel has a bad habit of letting characters stagnate, falling into the background or just outright ignored until it gets to the point where modern writers have no idea what to do after so much time has passed both in universe and in real time. This is true for a lot of Daredevil villains, and until recently Tigra (whom has thankfully gotten a breath of fresh air in Mckay's Moon Knight and arguably the best treatment she's ever gotten).
Speedsters are super hard to write, let's be honest. There's a reason the MCU killed him basically immediately.
Quicksilver is the arrogant asshole that tries to do good but still keeps fucking up. The only other thing that's notable about him is his sister complex. Wanda's popular for more reasons. Two of them should be obvious just by looking at her.
compete with The Flash from DC.
Flash has not been a top player for Marvel to copy ever and their copy of flash is ant-man.
There's a reason the MCU killed him basically immediately.
No they killed him because of rights/compromise between studios at the time back before FOX was assimilated. Given the grey area of the Maximoff history, first debuting as vague super people and only later being mentioned as mutants (which that too was wiped away), both studios had claim over the characters. So basically Disney claimed Scarlet Witch, and FOX claimed Quicksilver. It has nothing to do with power levels, and I don't get why DBZ thinker anons constantly try to use this logic for everything
Anon you're fucking retarded if you think Flash isn't a pop culture icon/recognizable.
Yeah Chaos magic is totally fine though, gofast? No it can't be done
I didn't say he wasn't an icon. I said that Marvel has no reason to copy his shit because all the main avengers outshine him.
Last time I saw this dude do anything, it was him pondering on killing himself and Spider-Man just not giving a shit about it since Pietro and Wanda fucked him over during House of M.
That's incredibly subjective, anon. Flash is still a well-liked character in the general audience sector regardless of the shit movie he had. They like his powers, his look, and his merch still sells. People have their tastes, and I'm hesitant to say The Flash is less popular given his seniority. We're not talking about Martian Manhunter here
He's discount flash
His daughter is cute. Isn't that enough?
I wish Luna did something, she kind of got shafted after Silent War was retconned
Peter still tried to save him when he fell from the top of a building.
She's now a teen and quite bratty.
Quicksilver is the arrogant asshole that tries to do good but still keeps fucking up
Any notable examples? I'm wondering if there's something we can roll with here and with his attempted suicide.
They largely don't. Marvel doesn't even like "Speedsters" all that much and is constantly killing them or ignoring them. Often, the only answer to a Speedster is another Speedster and that makes for some largely predictable story telling.
It's not subjective. look at the most profitable media franchises and you won't find flash. There was a more apt image like this that explained what you are perceiving but this one i made with 1000 years in mspaint.
This isn't true. Speed Demon is a regularly used C list bad guy who also got copied for the new Squadron Supreme, and Miles has a speedster villain too (Hightail). Also your logic of speedsters countering speedsters is flawed too because Flash comics for example have The Rogues, who don't have super speed
It's not subjective
It most certainly is, anon. Like it or not, Flash had a popular ongoing series on The CW, and a still remembered 90s show. Not only that, Flash was frequently referenced on garbage normie shit like The Big Bang Theory. How are you going to sit there and say The Flash isn't liked by the larger audience?
The early Avengers comics where he and Wanda join. Pietro spends half his time pissing everyone off and making mistakes and the other half redeeming himself. House of M and Son of M are good examples as well. It's nonstop fuckups for him. He's in Avengers Academy and gets blackmailed by Finesse into being her mentor.
There's no 616/canon storyline that ever even hinted at Pietro being bi. There's just that awful Secret Wars House of M mini with AU versions of Pietro and Namor working together that inspired a bunch of fujos. Whatever the gays working on it wanted to do that editorial may have blocked, it was ultimately just an irrelevant AU mini, and yet another mistreatment of him as a villain.
The real issues are that Disassembled in 2004 kicked out most of the old core B- or C-tier Avengers, including Quicksilver, so he only tends to show up when there are three or more Avengers books, and they need to bring back characters to fill up the rosters, and that for better or worse, there's no reason for him to be in an X-book anymore.
Quicksilver's 2018 solo mini bombed really badly, and the 2024 Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver mini sold worse than the solo Wanda books either side of it sold, so to modern Marvel editorial he probably seems like sales poison, and they don't care about him being a little more popular 20 or 30 years ago than he is today.
The attempted suicide was almost 20 years ago and hasn't really been mentioned since. It may be the last thing you read with him in, but it didn't end up having any lasting impact on him as a character, even if other things from that mini tainted him for years afterwards. I think there may be enough Avengers who've attempted suicide by now for them to start a support group.
The CW? You mean the media channel that has literally never operated at a profit in its lifetime, a 1 season 90s show, and the big brain theory as the your lynch pin for flash's cultural impact. You are delusional. Flash isn't a nobody i never said that. But he is no body that marvel is interested in replicating.
No they killed him because of rights/compromise between studios at the time back before FOX was assimilated.
This is a common fan theory, but it's not true. The twins had been included in the X-Men rights that Fox held since before the first X-Men movie, but due to them having more importance to the Avengers, they were characters where the rights were shared, Disney AND Fox both had the rights to use both twins, Fox just had no interest in putting either of them in movies until it was announced that they were going to in Avengers 2, then Fox quickly rewrote DoFP to replace Juggernaut with Quicksilver, and beat Disney to the punch at getting the twin they thought was more popular and more important on screen first.
Whedon was however always planning to kill Quicksilver in Age of Ultron, it had nothing to do with Fox at all, he just likes to kill characters for muh tragedy and considered him expendable as he wasn't in much of the 70s Avengers comics he'd read when he was younger. Even though Whedon was on record about this, people keep overthinking it and assuming it was about the studios getting one twin each. Whedon just spent a lot of time using old timey movie tropes to tease Hawkeye's death, only to swerve audiences with Pietro dying instead, and the tropes were so old most of the audience didn't even recognize them.
You are delusional.
Pot, meet kettle. Just because YOU personally don't see it that way, it doesn't make it true. You think of fast superhero, you think of Flash. I'm just saying it's odd Marvel never tried to capitalize on their own
They have like 6 guys that are Superman or Batman and they don't capitalize one those to begin with. Squandering things is on-brand.
Quite simply, all the things that don't make him stand out are the stuff that people want to write about: he's an asshole, he's egotistical, he's got a bad relationship with his dad/paternal figure
All the stuff that's interesting about him is stuff writers don't want to write about: divorced dad whose daughter is growing up on the moon without him, has zero friends, both of these are because of a power that you'd think is great but has a shitty drawback
DC can't even capitalize on theirs. Why would marvel manufacture the push and leg work for their own.
This is pretty much it. Add the baggage of being a half-Avengers, half-X-men character (which is far more relevant to Pietro than it ever was to Wanda), and the fact the writers in general don't seem to give a shit about non-MCU Avengers and you get a character that is completely ignored
It's a shame, written well he's far more entertaining than Wanda
Weird that the first theme of the game was the spider-verse shit with only 2 spider characters yet 5 x-characters will be joined by 2 more for season 2 and nearly the same amount show up in the datamines.
I don't know why, but for some reason this reads to me as quicksilver falling and Spidey half-heartedly shooting a web at him after he hit the ground.
Spidey tries to save Pietro the same way he accidentally killed Gwen, if the web caught him in time it would've snapped his neck.
I think his only hope is to be paired up with another character, either through friendship or romance, to remain relevant.
We just need an Avengers book that doesn't care about MCU synergy and he'll be fine. The Blood Hunt tie-in issues had him and they were great. It'd be good to have some other classics back on the team like Wasp, Hawkeye, and Wonder Man too
They were all in the Avengers Assemble by Orlando
Still are on Marvel Unlimited
I preferably wanted that team to be on the main book and not stuck in MU hell. But yes Avengers Assemble is more what I want just done by a better writer
Putting Pietro and Crystal on a team together during the Inhumans push was an obvious idea but Marvel didn't think of it.
Marvel don't seem particularly concerned with having a second ongoing Avengers book at the moment, the main book has been selling at an OK level for years, and that seems to be good enough for Marvel, like despite how popular the Avengers movies were, the comic doesn't seem to be a priority for them. The recent side titles like Avengers Inc and Avengers Assemble seem to have flopped, too.
Hawkeye really needs someone to finally rehabilitate him from Bendis and Fraction, while Marvel are probably waiting to see what the Disney+ Wonder Man show is like before they do something with him, ideally they have enough sense to keep him away from Wanda and from Vision.
Being iconic does not equate to real popularity or else Wonder Woman comics would actually sell
Absolute Wonder Woman is selling
I liked when he was with X-Factor. Non-readers don't know him cause the MCU killed him during his first appearance. The love for Wanda grew tenfold with the MCU.
It's a shame, written well he's far more entertaining than Wanda
I don't know about that, drawn well Wanda is far more entertaining.