I'm disappointed

Puckett's Batgirl always considered David Cain her dad. She'd visit him on his birthday and on father's day.
Why is this Batgirl calling Batman her father? Has Batman ever once called her daughter? Ignoring that god-awful Beechen mini and maybe Wayne Family Adventures?

The truth is a hero is as good as their Villians

That cinches it. Cass needs to face her ultimate test at the hands of Killer Moth.

Where’s the storytime?

Cassandra is an excellent MC if she's written as a badass. Brombal writes her as an insecure, confused bag of traumas who spends most of the series getting her ass kicked in her own comic. I hate that shit. I think she's won a total of one fight in six issues, that would be ridiculously low if it was fucking Spoiler.

It's such a disappointment. I guess it could be worse but still. Huge wasted opportunity.

I don't fucking know. Somebody else can do it.

I like this comic and I enjoy Cass being an insecure, confused bag of traumas

C’mon guys we need a storytime of latest issue!

Heh, batwomen

____is an excellent MC if she's written as a badass. _____writes her as an insecure, confused bag of traumas who spends most of the series getting her ass kicked in her own comic.

Now you know how we all felt 15 years prior.

This has nothing on the Nu52 trauma olympics they had running in Batgirl, Nightwing, and Tec.

Nah that’s just brombal. He’s not a good writer at all. One of those random industry plants that suddenly got a bunch of gigs out of nowhere when nobody had heard of him before.

Like the male Stephanie Phillips.

did ANYONE storytime the latest issue?

She’s needs Steph or Duke to probably bounce of.
Her mother does this role here but as much as Shiva is hot, she’s pretty one note.

No. I would but I'm tired of every Batgirl thread being full of trolling.

Stephanie Phillips

Who?

It sucks you can waste your own time doin it

She’s needs Steph or Duke to probably bounce of

Ugh

You known it’s true

Yeah she can bounce off of Duke alright.

It makes Cass an ass character if she's needs those two to function.
Fuck off, baby dick. You ain't fooling anyone.

And Steph

Cass's book has been good

the only thing that sucks is you babsfag

The comic is very boring. The sales are extremely low and the art isn’t dynamic so idk why people still argue that Cass is an interesting character. Her autism arc from the 2000’s was pretty much over before flashpoint and she now somehow has confidence issues. Her book is basically taking Fanon characterization from Wayne family adventures and tumblr/twt and combining it into one. Cass really isn’t interesting none of the batgirl’s are desu. It’s time people faced that she’s a relic of her time same with Tim, Steph and the other 90’s kids.

Bruce, Dick and Babs are all that's necessary at the end of the day. Adaptations have proved this countless times.

I kinda agree desu there’s just no point expanding them even if u somehow want to add “dead Robin” to the mix it makes no sense narratively that Bruce would allow anyone after that to join his crusade. BTAS/TNBA proved that point

DKR and Beyond had it right by having Batman swearing off sidekicks after Jason/Tim. Tim didn't even die and he still said that's it.

g0okgirl trash is shit

WHOA no way

Go0kgirl faggots never storytime, they just repost shitty muscletranny art

badass Cassandra is BORING

Gookgirl anon...was right?

I always was. Faggots tried to cope with gookgirl failing by saying editorial and bad writers had it out for her and cheered this book on before release.

Now it's out, it's shit, and it's flopping hard, and they're now coping that the writer was never good. Fuck them and fuck g00kgirl, she's a no draw SHIT character with no rogues, no interesting stories, and no sales.

The last adaptations we had added a bunch of other members like Batwoman and Batwing though. And Batwheels has Duke and Cass.
The other adaptations after BTAS are largely locked into the early days of Batman and never go farther than that.

It makes Cass an ass character if she's needs those two to function.

all characters work better bouncing off others that contrast them.

The last adaptations we had added a bunch of other members like Batwoman and Batwing though. And Batwheels has Duke and Cass

For diversity reasons, bro.

Batman took her in, funded her, gave her a set of rules to follow and tried to set her on the right track, kept her from seeing people he felt were a bad influence...sounds like a dad, man.
Part of Cain's whole motivation in bruce wayne:murderer was feeling like Bruce took Cass from him as a daughter. It's not a new shift. Cass can acknowledge Cain as her father and Batman as her dad. same as any other Batfamily member that mentions Batman as their father without forgetting their real one.

ok brocephelus but point is they're still adding them broski

Lesbian Batman
And Black “Batwing” really are the dumbest idea.

It's stupid if anyone other than Dick, Damian or E2 Helena calls Bruce dad.

Even Batwheels understands the core three are Batman, Robin and batgirl didn’t they just add nightwing or something. Doesn’t matter who’s in the role just that those 4 are the only needed “spots”

It’s time people faced that she’s a relic of her time same with Tim, Steph and the other 90’s kids.

Difference between Tim and Steph is that they’re actually interesting characters, Cass isn’t.
You mean the same adaptations that completely shit on Babs and Dick?

I did the last few issues and I was defending the book at the start but this was a real anti climax.

Steph and Tim are not more interesting than Cass lol

Good riddance to shiva.

There’s only so much you can do with girl who fights good

The fuck you on. Every issue of hers has been storytimed?

There are literally thousands of chapters of manga starring characters that can be boiled down to "fights good"

Cass is boring asf she’s the Storm of the BatFamily they hype her up so they can score points in being “unique” Steph is the better natural progression “Batgirl” after Barbara anyways

Dick is the Storm of the batfam, he's the one who most of his book is about how amazing he is and how everyone loves and respects him

Difference between Tim and Steph is that they’re actually interesting characters

Tim isn't interesting at all

Except she doesn’t have a supporting cast, her father isn’t interesting and generic bad assassin dad, her mom is a jobber and bipolar, her core interactions are limited to certain characters (Steph,Babs, Tim and Bruce) and half the time bat editorial doesn’t even acknowledge she’s his “daughter” because she wasn’t with that in mind to begin with.

C’mon main. Be a pal.
Storytime it anyway.

doesn't have a supporting cast

mention characters she interacts with regularly

???

Remember when Babs was basically her mom? She even named her.

No Dick is the Temu version of Cyclops with none of the development or interest. He will never surpass Daredevil or be taken serious as his own character. 90% of his runs are mid or repeat the same plots. He’s not good being a leader of the titans or solo. His last good moments being the mid 2000’s outsiders run

Would you guys be okay with the storytime here

Modern writers want to write her being close to Bruce when the real key is Babs. She will never be taken seriously compared to the boy robins and cass fans need to face reality. There’s a reason nobody actually considers her Bruce “daughter” or she’s involved in big events. Her “fight gud” characterization limits actual story not to mention she doesn’t bring anything new to the dynamics

There’s a reason protagonists of fight manga tend to be the least interesting. Goku is seen as taking up the spotlight despite it being his manga , people like characters that can be more flawed like Vegeta or Gohan

Yes

E2 Helena

bro are you in your 50s?

Get her away from the boy Robins then.
Let her interact with Babs, Steph, Duke, Bullock, Montoya, and Harper more. Even Azrael.
Not Superboy though.

Imagine if Robin was not only a girl, but a sniper. This guy had the right idea with the character.

The problem is they also don’t want Babs to be a mom, she needs to be vaguely around college aged and young enough so she isn’t some old maid and can hang out with Supergirl

Babs been fucked since burnside because they see her as the default batgirl it’s sad but true. The consequences of her new 52 run being a moderate seller. Cass and Steph just don’t have the buying power even with all these “Cass fanatics” she’s stuck in the Tim limbo I can’t even tell who got it worse because they both have a lot of cons and pros actually probably Tim because all he will be known for is being the gay Robin

That guy has never had a right idea in his life

It’s actually about time the Robin and Batgirl mantles got new holders it’s the only way they will be interesting again.

DC already knows
Robin = Maps
Batgirl = Tiffany Fox

More Foxes… just dumb also Maps won’t be a thing she’ll be cucked like how Duke was and irrelevant

But even in her first appearance she was post-college. And she still hung out with Supergirl

Tim was plenty interesting written by Dixon, Grant, David, and Lewis. Less interesting when he became a clone of Dick.

Sorry you feel that way anon.
But Maps and Tiffany are already on the way to be next.

Because Supergirl was grown up current supergirl is still around tim age group even tho worlds finest has her around being a lil younger than dick possibly closer to Jason since post crisis Babs been older than dick by a year or 2

Maps is already shown by her future self, Merdidian, in Birds of Prey to become the next Robin.

Tiffany plssss I can see Maps but they been teasing and hesitant it’s gonna be another Duke situation! Nobody wants another Naomi or Riri

Yes, and she’s post college in New 52, but still kept vaguely young enough

Sorry anon. You’ve already had your 3 white Batgirls and Asian batgirl.
Black Batgirl is next.

Current Supergirl is said to be 22 by Superman editors and her new writer

Nobody considers Bette, Helena or Misfit as actually batgirls. Just like how none go the foxes have any agency besides Lucius

Exactly around Tim since Jason was 23 and Tim is “21”. Steph is 22 and Cass is 23

and her new writer

Nobody gives a fuck about that dude in a dress

Lady shiva’s cheeks on my face

Power girl gets cancelled only to subject Supergirl to more trans ideology the Kara’s can’t catch a break

Batwoman is now considered the old lesbian maid of the Batfam

flopping

Is it? It's performing better than batgirls. But all you want is attention.

Agreed

I'm looking forward to Cass interacting with Bronze Tiger again. I always wanted her more integrated into the martial arts side of DC.

This book is just too much action, there's no character development. No drama, Cass is just a simp for her mama.
This Lady Shiva arc should have been the 2nd or third arc and we should have been introduced to Cass's people at the restaurant properly so they can be proper supporting characters in the book and give the book much needed stakes .

This book is just too much action, there's no character development

See I’d say the opposite, maybe cape books aren’t for you? Go read SOL webcomics.

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. A female Robin that's just the lookout and sniper fixes the 5ft 90lb girl going up against multiple 6ft 200lb dudes. Plus, people just wanna see Batman fuck bad guys up anyway. Whether Robin joins him is whatever.

Duke

Can you fuck with this character? Nobody cares about him.

Which means Cass can't work AT ALL.

Babs been fucked since burnside because they see her as the default batgirl it’s sad but true

Why's it sad? Of course people are gonna see her as the default Batgirl. She's the default Batgirl in all the adaptations and merch. The comics don't matter.

Maps is already shown by her future self, Merdidian, in Birds of Prey to become the next Robin.

DC futures are never absolute. It's always a "Possible Future". Always ever changing.

DC futures are never absolute.

I would just amend that to

cape futures

Because implying marvel future timelines are set in stone is just silly

Dude said

Montoya

Harper

He’s clearly a Twitterfag who’s more interested in fan fiction than comic books

Because implying marvel future timelines are set in stone is just silly

Those just become alternate Earths.

And thanks to DClock, Death Metal and infinite frontier “everything is canon” in DC.

In reality big 2 canon is like a world shrouded in fog, all that matters is what’s immediately visible.

Fan favorite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montoya, the Token

I love Renee, Duke and Harper. They’re all great. You don’t have to put one down to prop up the other.

Nobody likes Montoya and Duke except reddit. Harper is /ourfavorite/.

In reality big 2 canon is like a world shrouded in fog, all that matters is what’s immediately visible.

So they function like women?

This post was made with an iphone

Every time they’ve tried to add a token black character in the batfam it’s failed. Stop trynna make Duke happen

Why even? Batman still makes a shit ton of money and blacks think he's cool anyway.

Because they think black people want to see themselves as the black token characters. I say this as a black person btw.

Blacks, especially black women, are some of the least likely to care about monthly comics. I don’t get why they keep trying.

No.
If you want the Foxes to stay to their own clique that’s fine.
But Duke is an official bat kid whether you like it or not.

It’s always that one phonecuck

Dude posted the same shitty picture again.

There's a fine balance between superhero and life drama good books should maintain.
Cassandra doesn't get character moments in the team books she frequents, so I was hoping we'd get something in her ongoing.
Not every comic book needs to 100% fight scenes like Miles Morales: Spider-Man

He’s not tho and that’s fine. Everytime they’ve tried to push him it’s failed! They even tried putting him on the outsiders and that flopped per usual. Nobody cares about the “unofficial” Robin. If DC had balls back in 2013 to keep Damian dead he would’ve been relevant as the 5/6th Robin

There's a fine balance between superhero and life drama good books should maintain.

Nah, bro. Some titles are gonna be more action-focused, and others will be drama-focused. Shit doesn't need to be the exact same across the board. It just isn't for you.

Black women definitely don’t care or read comics but most black men don’t really care about industry representation. Why do you think manga is extremely popular especially among the black community.

Hey where's Cass anon?

Luke>duke

Casually Comics says hi.

Exceptions don't prove the rule

literal shill count given free comics as a way to promote diversity

*shill account

The thread turned into shit, and mother and daughter are bounded separately and not nude.

Unfortunately, the next issue is Shiva's "secret origin". I wish the writer would get the fuck off the book and take Shiva with them.

Of course you are. Modern comics are kind of crap. Modern meaning anything in the past 10 years. Very little worth it.