James Gunn reveals more about Superman and Lois Lane’s relationship

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James Gunn reveals more about Superman and Lois Lane’s relationship

"Superman is starting to become successful at both jobs in the big glitzy city so far away from home, he’s madly in love with a woman who isn’t so sure about him, and he’s made a few superhuman friends who like him but think of him as naive. It’s all grounded around this incredibly real relationship with a couple that has started dating a few months ago, and now they're really learning the ins and outs of each other. We have Lois Lane, who's a pragmatist, and Superman is an idealist. How does that work together? My wife and I are like that, actually.”

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so far away from home

A statement like this, while some would see as innocuous or meaningless, tells me very plainly Gunn doesn’t understand superman.

He can act like he does, or coach himself to say the right things here and there, but when you refer to anything on earth (let alone Kansas to the eastern seaboard) as “far away” for a guy who can move just under the speed of light it tells me you don’t truly understand the character.

Only someone who also doesn’t understand the character would disagree with my assessment.

Man this movie really does not have a lot of hype, does it? It's kind of cruising under the radar towards its release date.

That's not necessarily a bad sign. Iron Man 1 didn't have a lot of hype either, it kind of came out of nowhere. Hopefully this movie does, too.

Superman is an idealist

Goddam. I hate this shit. Superman is every bit the pragmatist as any other character, and they’re every bit as idealistic as he is. he’s just more optimistic than others.

Lois seems to believe in journalistic integrity and the power of truth and yada yada yada… that maker her an idealist.

Are you autistic?
Yeah, of course Superman's speed means that Kansas isn't far for him to travel back to, but the big city is so far removed culturally from Smallville and rural American life that he's still, fundamentally, far away from home.

That isn’t what he meant at all lol

This is a spoken quote not a written one. Nobody speaks in symbolic terms like that colloquially, let alone gunn’s dumb ass.

Yeah they really haven't been advertising it like at all.
Though there does seem to be hype regardless, the teaser got a shit ton of views, and at my college some RA printed out the release date poster in small versions and used them as the name tags for his floor. For some reason.

I think Superman could really go either way.
On one hand, I think the world is more ready for Superman than it has since his inception in the 30s.
People are depressed, crying out for justice and idealism in a world which has abandoned it.
Back from the 90s through 2010s, people were wanting cynicism, the world was seen as generally good and so there was a desire for the darker, the more morally grey, and so on.
If this new Superman film is good, and if the marketing can capitalize on Superman's hopeful nature, it could be a smash hit.

But as hopeful as Superman, I am not. I think the marketing will be middling and so will the film's box office and then things will get worse from there because of that.
I hope I'm wrong though.

he’s madly in love with a woman who isn’t so sure about him

You have to understand that the domestic box office ain't what matters. It's the international box office that will make or break the movie. It could do okay here, but shit the bed in the rest of the world. If the global masses reject Superman, it's fucked.

The lack of hype is the only reason I think this might be a massive hit

In a world of post-modernist cynicism and irony, telling a sincere story about a heroic and altruistic heroes is considered a revolutionary act.

It fits Superman to be in that sort of a relationship
Even if in the comics it usually was the other way around for a long, long time. (read Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane, they're some of the best goofy bullshit the Silver Age has to offer)

Because Superman and Lois dynamic, in this case, are representative of what Superman's dynamic with the world is. Superman's idealism, hope, romantic-nature, and earnest positivity clash with the reality of the world.
But, despite the hesitance and reticence to Superman's mission, ultimately Superman's good qualities break those barriers down. Allowing Lois Lane to open up to Superman/Clark and, hopefully, creating a brighter world with more hope and idealism.

No one's gonna go for the hero that bitches to other heroes about the no-kill rule. They'll think he's lame as fuck, especially internationally.

Why would Superman do poorly abroad?
Superman is very popular across the world. Moreso than any random Marvel character or Aquaman, and those movies made bank.

Don't mistake awareness for interest.

I wonder to what extent it's all a pendulum swing/grass is always greener thing.
Back in the day people craved and cried out for darker media, a more cynical world view, irony took the whole of western culture by storm.
Now that said cynicism is dominant, that everything is seemingly under at least one veil of irony, people cry for sincerity.

Maybe both are needed. Sincerity alone can be suffocating, and irony alone is soul-destroying.

I'd want something fun like Brendan Fraser's The Mummy and Demolition Man, not lame ass Superman preaching.

They never have a good reason why Clark would dump Lana but go gaga over Lois.

Superman is very popular across the world

Not anymore.

people cry for sincerity

This movie isn't sincere. It's Gunn doing the bidding of Superman secondaries.

Okay Raj

Can we just talk about how we live in a timeline where a Troma alum is now a company talking head who isn't even not pretending to suck massive corporate cock to the point he's pretending to like the Flash movie

"troma alumni" like that means shit lol. Nothing they did past the 80's is any good as anything but ironic Gen X shit.

And the international box office is worthless to Warner

Movie's gotta make 2.5x its budget to break even. If it makes above that, it made a profit. That's why the international box office is important. Domestic ain't enough to get the numbers they need.

people said that over donner's superman, and look what happened.
youtube.com/watch?v=zZjJ_ZufoCo
and this trailer had no hype, but then the movie almost got the best movie nomination and scored a special effects one, even george lucas and spielberg were thrilled with it.

Because this is how it always begins with Lois and Clark's relationship, she still the army brat with a general as her father who mistrusted superman when all began.
Only when Superman proves that he is right and almost died in the comic doing it when Zod came in, is where she becomes more and more supportive of superman, and after she learns the truth she supports him even more, because he is helping people not as Super but as a Man.

Also, the reason of why Clark left Lana, is because Lana didn't want to be a rock in Clark's future, she didnt want to leave Smallville for Metropolis.

Lana didn't want to be a rock in Clark's future

Yeah she did. Clark just dumped her and dipped.

people said that over donner's superman, and look what happened.

It isn't the 70s anymore, bro.

Which is what i said, she didnt want to leave smallville and stop clark, she let him go, to a point she is still his best friend til this day.

70's had twice more depression and edgelordism than now anon, but there was no internet for that to make it more obvious, thank crack and depression and street violence for that.
The reason of why the movie was a success was because of optimism and superman facing all odds to save people.

Crack was the 80s and 90s anon

The reason of why the movie was a success was because of optimism and superman facing all odds to save people.

No it's because he flew and it didn't look like shit. It was all over the marketing.

You will believe a man could fly

my wife and I are like that actually

Instantly gay self insert slop like Slott

I like how nerds will come up with these pretentious explanations for why something did well and the real answer is always something simple and shallow.

Sounds like he actually understands the characters and you guys just want to be mad about everything

Crack was widespread in the 70's anon

Yeah they really haven't been advertising it like at all.

It's still 4 months away and I hear more about this film than anything else coming up

if you know 70s film, the superman film was way different, almost out of time. 70s films were full of dark themes and paranoia, all anti hero stuff.

Who cares? Do you know what Donner was making before Superman? The Omen and a film where a 40 year old guy fucks a 15 year old.
I can only imagine how much pearl clutching you fags would do over that old Jew touching Superman if it was happening today

Not talking about the movie anon, talking about the way he approaches the PR

all anti hero stuff

Which persevered to the point they became the standard for action heroes. youtu.be/PguvPeZT7RE

maybe, but by the end of the decade the biggest budget films were star wars and superman which changed everything. you started with the exorcist, jaws, that kind of stuff. it's the era of the outlaw josey wales, three days of the condor

The extended clip they're playing in front of Minecraft leaked, I'm not too hot on it.

No the fuck it wasn’t. Like genuinely that’s not even remotely true. The 70s were when heroin boomed. Crack didn’t become a commonly used drug until the 80s.

He already said Superman was literally him.

Cocaine was big in the 70s.
Technically not the same as 'crack rock cocaine' which spread in black circles in the 80s, but yeah a form of crack was huge.

David Bowie and Ringo Starr were doing it.

shit I finally googled it and realized I was wrong so now I’m going to claim cocaine is a form of crack rather than the opposite rather than admit I was wrong

Fucking stop you dweeb.

Crack is a form of coke, it’s impact was so disastrous because gangs could turn coke shipments into much larger quantities of crack which was cheaper and more addictive. It flooded the hood and even started to convert coke users who tried it a few times to compare the highs and got hooked. It funded (along with CIA/FBI) two decades of criminal enterprises and particularly infested cities like New York which had had a rough half decade following the recession of the late 70s.

Quite literally you don’t have something like watchmen or TDKR in particular if the crack epidemic wasn’t happening when they were being made.

Just admit you were wrong.

I just watched it. Krypton is a bid much for me but I liked the rest. I liked the way the fortress comes out of the ground and how it's actually full of sci fi stuff you would see in Superman comics

First thing I said to myself is

nothing is “far away” for Superman

Krypto*

I think you're forgetting to account for Jurassic World Rebirth. That could hurt Superman at the Box Office especially internationally.

In comparison to the Fantastic Four they probably will.

Gunns Superman just looks and sounds like a mid MCU project.

The effects inside the Fortress look ugly and unfinished still

I'm just missed we missed out on a Lord of The Rings esque saga.

Yeah they really haven't been advertising it like at all

Probably because the advertising campaign literally started yesterday with Cinemacon. It's barely been a day and we've already gotten more actual footage than ever. They're literally just starting up "summer of Superman"

My wife and I are like that, actually

even his damage control is full of nepotism

no-kill rule

Can you faggots shut the absolute fuck up with your gay ass homosexual buzzwords, you faggots who say "no kill rule" or "prep time" with Batman need to fuck off to r eddit.

It's far away in a cultural sense, numb nuts

Superheroes that cry about killing aren't cool, bro. Accept it.