Is the animation industry dying?

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STEM is safe
Put the fries in the bag, slave

This isn't a recent post. How's Raye doing now?

I’d like to think that the animation industry like many other industries has its ups and downs over the years. But you’re hard pressed to say these recent fees haven’t been the worst in a while. I won’t say it’s dead or dying, more like in a coma. Hopefully it wakes up sooner rather than later, whenever that may be.

STEM is safe

lmao no it's not
enjoy making less than tradies and working with outsourcing firms and h1-b's

animation was the confluence of classically trained artists and cinema. it was a dead man walking from the start.

It died in 2023

More so than that, even if you are cool with being a mindless drone working on the endless reboots, the jobs themselves are all short term gigs. You will never work for anyone longer than about 4 months at the most in a year. And you will need to get side jobs in the slow months.

Animation is expensive television
Television stopped being profitable when streaming video killed cable advertising revenue
There's just no money for it, the players with enough cash to experiment and find a new viable business plan are too stubborn and risk-averse to try, and Americans would rather shove hot pokers up their assholes than fund art subsidies

You work at Walmart loser. Or else you would be telling us all about how some barely English speaking pajeet took your job years ago.

No, it's just reorganizing into other sectors (video games, commercial ads, illustrations, and others)

Americans still see the word art and instantly assume braindead liberal wall banana heroine addict that talks about feelings. No one is ever going to fund anything with the word Art attached to it because they will think it's all a liberal money laundering scheme.

Sounds like this guy needs to just suck it up and get a fucking job at the places that are hiring.

Too proud to work at Home Depot, too proud to eat or pay rent.

Eh, it's more that Americans have been conditioned for the last 45 years to think of all government spending as bad regardless of what it is or does
The retards legitimately want to close the USPS because it's not profitable (It actually is but that's a different can of worms)

This.

Animation is very expensive and not very profitable on streaming outside of like a few shows.

It sucks but what can you do.

Millenials ruined every industry they've touched

Tech bros are Gen X

STEM hasn't been safe since Obama was in office.

You've pinpointed the exact reason why animation specifically is dying/dead. I graduated a year ago and there are no jobs, 75% of people are out of work (this doesn't include new graduates entering the market every year).
Moreover, the jobs aren't coming back. I've been hanging around industry professionals and they've all come to this conclusion, the death of TV has caused this shift. There is currently no way to replicate the format TV allowed animation online, it's simply not profitable. There will be a new format in time I'm sure since people still like the medium, but the industry as we knew it is not coming back because it unfortunately isn't compatible with the internet. A lot of people are already pivoting to other careers and going back to school. Anyone else is either rich or delusional.
This too, especially video games. Kids don't really care that much about animation these days and that's another huge factor, they love video games and social media instead.

Satanic Trips confirm

Something something the deficit. Something something socialism. This is why we have to take away your parents healthcare and social security. On an unrelated note we are lowering billionaires taxes again.

Why not come together and make a new company?

Yes

Shouldn't have wasted so much cash trooning out

form small company

do well for a while but have struggles

suddenly you're on big company's radar

big company sweet talks the heads of small company and offers to buy them to fund their work

small company becomes apart of big company

big company begins gutting small company for what it's worth and then when there's nothing left to take big company either full merges in small company or shuts down small company

if anyone remains of small company they're sent to work on big company's projects for a while before termination

Get back to making toyetic shows for children that appeal to specific sexes and profit. And I mean actually appealing, not green vegetable "good for you" faggy huggy shit that no kid actually likes.

My friend is an extremely talented illustrator and animator that has worked for Marvel and Floyd
He was offered a leadership position at a prestigious art school
Instead he went back to college for a marketing degree

I don't know what says it better than that

Toyetic shows only worked because the ad revenue paid for the show so the toys could be a gamble they couldn't lose.
If, say, Netflix were to try a toyetic model it would require a massive up-front investment with very very little chance of a return

Every media industry is fucking dying. Between everything being so expensive and no obvious revenues for cash flow anymore they're really hitting a point where something needs to change or that's just gonna be it.

Toyetic shows worked because kids liked them and it made them want to go out and buy toys, which in turn supported the show, which supported the toys, which supported more shows, and so on, and so on.

Just get a job at Lyft or Uber.
It’s not that hard.

Don’t they do that with Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous and Chaos Theory?

Then why is anime industry doing good in Japan?

Mostly because it has a ton of side merch that still brings in a profit, which the US cannot or will not do because you can't make sexy girl figures for most US cartoon media. Rooster Teeth had the closest thing with RWBY, but even they fucked it up

Wait what the hell is this a LinkedIn post?
Either Raye has given up all hope or needs to delete that post asap.
LinkedIn is the last fucking place for honesty about what you're looking and hoping for in a career.
The post should read more like

And when the project was cancelled, I learned something

About struggle, about setbacks.

I learned that struggle and setbacks are inevitable

But most of all, I learned about what truly makes things worth your time

Even as our project was cancelled, we learned to stick together and I learned the value of your trusting your team and turning to them

I learned even when the end goal isn't what you want, as long as you have that teamwork, productivity is productivity. It was an exercise, a training session to work on our team and ourselves

I thank Warner Bros for the opportunity to work for them

And that is how you write a LinkedIn post when you get screwed over by a corporate merger.

Why can’t American animation make sexy female characters ti sell more?
I would understand if it were networks catering to million moms and such.

But we’ve had the cable animation for decades and the streaming industry for about 10 years now.

Why can’t we do like Japan?

Stupid ass bitch get a real ass job

I got bad news for you

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Kids don't really care that much about animation these days and that's another huge factor, they love video games and social media instead.

Not a surprise that kids don't care about yet another dyke loreshit "cartoon" with millennial self-teraphy sessions, TV dying is a factor but the industry also stopped appealing to kids to appeal instead yo 30y/o manchildren from Twitter

not that anon but this feels like an extension of the "why don't we get sexy comics anymore" question, which is to say the ultimate issue is that people here don't actually BUY shit to support things they like, unlike Japanese people who will actually open their wallets and properly turn out support

I work with the pajeets. I'm valuable because the people we provide tech support to dont want to try to understand their accents

TV is still very well watched in Japan, and their inner industry is still very strong, even though BDs sales (where most of the studio return on investment are made) are not as good as before Also, they have completly conquered and dominated the teen and young adult demographic. It's easier to create profite through merchs with this demographic.

Because the industry is full of emasculated soiboys, dyke feminist and single mothers that hate any attractive women for "male gaze" so all men go to anime or gachaslop to get them instead

The 1950s-70s art community in the US did all of that damage. Since for the time period it was nothing but assholes splattering paint on walls, or gluing together garbage with too many high profile individuals like Warhol and Yoko Ono getting too much press. Even art schools at the time jumped on board and never taught a single fundamental for about 30ish years. so everyone else losing all respect for an artist or art in America had a valid reason behind it.

So Boomers are never going to get over that shit and all boomer parents would always tell their kids that going to art school is the world's most useless expensive degree that means nothing since artists are all wall banana drug addicts. Since America decided to slide backwards and continue voting for nothing but geriatric boomers for all government positions any damn way well into the 2020s, that mindset is not going anywhere.

No. The US is dying.

Why are game dev companies doing just as badly and laying off thousands of people every few months too?

It's not just animation that was hurt by the transition to streaming, all production everywhere dropped.

TV days had every channel, the 8 major networks and then the 15 or so bigger cable channels each buying new lineups every single fall. That's anywhere from 5-10 new shows every single September for about 20 channels overall. Not including new seasons of past productions.

Streaming has distilled things down to 5 major platforms with 2 more slightly viable ones and the rest are all old content. Those main 5 only purchase somewhere in the area of 3-4 new series a year. And they make significantly large gaps between seasons, sometimes 2-3 years between seasons. The way things are scaled down, the entire industry is equaling the output of a single cable channel of a decade ago.

Add in extra bullshit like the music industry fully collapsing around 2019 so no licensees, the theater industry collapsing during covid, and you have entertainment as we know it in fucking shambles.

eh not really. i live with my mother and she's poor, it's cheaper to live together with another person a lot of the time.

This.
Outsource your labor and give all jobs to migrants and-- uh oh! No one has any money anymore except the very top! Womp womp!
Maybe we'll learn something, probably not, the right is not willing to implement communism, the left is not willing to implement racism, so we will repeat this forever, but yeah it's been a long time coming and well deserved.

based brownchads

The mainstream industry is dying but indie is alive as ever

indie

How much are these studios actually paying? I won't be surprised a few years down the line if artists come out and say they were exploited

Animation is a dying art and not only in murrica but the rest of the world

spindlehorse employees complained about mismanagement a while back and literally no one cared

Why did you reply to my post without reading it

Grew too quickly with a bunch of unnecessary jobs.

Bot your mother's cunt

Your bait is weak, I don’t even draw. Kys regardless

Add in extra bullshit like the music industry fully collapsing around 2019 so no licensees

Wait what happened to the music industry? Why is it collapsing

claims to be desperate

Not starting a fetish art patreon/substar

I don't blame them. Everything the government does ends up as an attack on White Americans in some form or another.

You mean the government did all that. The modern art scene was literally a CIA front to win the culture war against the USSR and the result was poison-pilling America's own culture permanently.
Also Raye's degree cost something like $250k in tuition there is no excuse for your portfolio art to look like that.

I don't blame them. Everything the government does ends up as an attack on White Americans in some form or another

Already is

A white man will gladly eat shit on the off chance a colored person has to smell his breath.

When you realize most Americans operate off this logic, then you’ll realize why they don’t want to spend a single dime on bettering their own country and would rather shell out funds to Israel.

Two days before I graduate, and now I realize how fucked I am at trying to get studio work. The only people getting work at my school are incredibly skilled and even my professors complain about how hard it is to get employed.
I've decided that I'm gonna take the plunge into drawing lewd pics. Might as well put this art degree into use

pajeets ands abduls mog you at both jobs by working harder, longer and for less groveling

If this was still 2018 I'd believe you.

Alright, so how would one do it in a profitable way? I got my niche interests and people liking my stuff, but I got too anxious to continue drawing.
I still need money, though

Not being wealthy does not mean being destitute. There are some parents who live modestly but also believe in their kids and want to help out how they can. It might even be a “no interest loan” where they are lending their kid cash which will need to be paid back eventually but without interest like it would at a bank.

Modern music is shit.

Speaking of uber and lyft did you know there was a literal African warlord driving for them before getting banned off the app and sued because one of the people he tortured recognized him?

Do you actually work on indie productions?
They pay like shit. The current model is not sustainable. “Alive as ever” is over selling it.

2019?! What an odd date. That may be when you started to notice it, but Napster started the drain circling. The advent of Spotify really killed it.

even if glitch really is a sustainable model, that's still a very small creme de crop of people they employ. they've got a guy doing stuff on each episode who used to be a literal blue sky animator.

Pool's closed because of Kwabe

Maybe if you only listen to mainstream bullshit. There’s extremely cool shit happening in indie scenes but you need to dig. If you only listen to artists who would attend the Grammys then you get what you deserve.

STEM is safe

LOL no. At any time, you could get laid off because the executives want to replace everyone with cheap pajeets and AI.

t. Laid off STEM

It kinda worked, seen kids with the toys

America establishes welfare to massive applause, poverty is no longer a problem and social mobility skyrockets

black people start getting welfare

WE NEED TO STOP WELFARE!

America updates the meaning of the 2nd amendment to mean no gun control

Black people arm themselves

SHITTING FUCK WE NEED GUN CONTROL YESTERDAY

America establishes public parks...

You get the idea.

Just grind harder than Abdul. It works for me well enough, you just have to put in the effort. I delivered for Doordash on a bike and made more than minimum wage even before tips; I think a lot of people won't do it because of their pride.

Just give in and let the dildo slide in your ass, accept shit wages and hours with no benefits and pray you never get in an accident or get sick

I pity kids that are so deep into stockholm syndrome that they call their own exploitation "hustle culture"

A white man will gladly eat shit on the off chance a colored person has to smell his breath.

Its more of the rich/poor manipulation you see in America. People are so manipulated that you can convince white people cutting off their right arm will spite blacks and save the white race.

To be clear, all races fall for a similar sort of manipulation, but with blacks I've noticed a lot of them will go "That's a bunch of bullshit" and then stop working for what is (allegedly) in their interests. A lot of manipulated is avoided because blacks would rather try to get their own money and secure their own future with illegal means.

You've certainly never seen a black person close a facility they can use because a white guy wanted to use it, too.

I pity kids that are so deep into stockholm syndrome that they call their own exploitation "wage slave culture"

I pity kids that are so deep into stockholm syndrome that they call their own exploitation "office culture"

And as a fledgling artist, I've also heard

I pity kids that are so deep into stockholm syndrome that they call their own exploitation "contract culture"

I've heard it all, man. Do you suppose I should give up and do nothing? You think you made a point there, but you get fucked in every scenario, there's risk in every scenario. You'd rather I starve to death or lose my house with a goofy smirk like "I didn't let the dildo go in my ass?" because in that case you're just getting fucked harder anyway.

Comparing variable wages with no benefits whatsoever to white-collar work with healthcare and a 401k

You're incredibly stupid.

The only reason to form a small company is to later cash out when a big company takes interest.

I mean, December 4th, 2024 will be the moment that how Americans think was actually exposed

Whole nation ready to fucking kill each other over the election

Suddenly, CEO is assassinated

Everyone stops hating each other for the next two weeks to dance on his grave.

That was something else.
You can distract the entire populace with social issues but the moment that a CEO is shot dead, people celebrate

You've misunderstood; I said "I've heard it all". There's guys like you in every industry, and I instead think we should work in the way that suits us instead of listening to the guys who's gonna have their arms folded regardless.

You are the "both sides" guys for the work industry. You say nothing but empty words people have heard a million times, achieve nothing, and then walk away self satisfied. Meanwhile, Pajeet and Abdul are making bank on these services that you just decided are too good for you, and you're confused and angry when they're ahead.

the moment that a CEO is shot dead, people celebrate

which is why they went even harder on the useless culture wars.

Erm, goys why don’t you donate money to a meth head freak who screeches slurs at children or to a murderer?

We've entered an age of economic doomerism where everyone waits for everyone else to "come on, do a revolution" on a global scale.
I point to LinkedIn, it's competitive corporate asskissing. No one wants to be on it, no one wants a "personal brand", yet every college career counselor says you fucking need it because reasons

People dunked on it but the cable tv model was the most sustainable model and it will come back. Ads will come to streaming. People will bitch. And it will probably be for the best.

You've misunderstood

No, I haven't, you're just rightly embarrassed about the incredibly stupid thing you just said.
No one is "making bank" driving for uber you dumb fuck. The money you're getting isn't even enough to cover the wear on your car. That you can't tell the difference between a real job and having your desperation exploited by destructive cunts is remarkable.
Don't come crying to me when you get in an accident and personal insurance won't cover it because you're driving as a contractor. Or when you get sick and your dogshit marketplace plan won't cover a dime and you can't work. Or when you drive your alternator into the dirt and have to start renting a car from uber to drive for them.

"Just work harder" has never worked out for anyone. Ever.
Pic related but I'm guessing you didn't read this book.

Somewhat

Mainstream dead

Indie is shit

Ads are already back on streaming but the way people consume content has shifted fundamentally. There's no such thing as prime-time ad slots on streaming.

No, I haven't, you're just rightly embarrassed about the incredibly stupid thing you just said.

I've notice people doing that more often online. You want me to be embarrassed, and so you insist that's how I feel. Its not. You need me to feel like that to soothe your own ego, but everything I said is my honest opinion, so I feel no shame.

You have not expressed a single thought on here, everything thing from

You're being exploited

don't come crying

As if I've ever came crying to a Anon Babble user for anything. And you can get in an accident and get screwed by insurance in ANY INDUSTRY.

just work harder doesn't work

Your opinion isn't as new, or insightful as you think it is. I've spoken to people like you a hundred times. The only difference is this time you lead with a pitiful "P-please feel embarrassed. My opinion is better than yours" line like we're on reddit or twitter. I'm baffled at the fact that you thought you said something worth a damn here with your cartoon horse and empty words.

All that text just to say "nuh uh"

I know I already called you stupid but it definitely bears repeating
Enjoy your willful destitution, just don't tell others to join you in the dirt.

You can be screwed by an accident in any industry! Commercially insured activities are the same as me driving commercially with personal insurance! Employer PPO's are the same as my bronze HMO from the marketplace!

Nigga literally doesn't know how insurance works

I feel bad for you, son.

Your cartoon horse

I know uber drivers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer but come on
You really don't know Animal Farm?
Twelve year olds know Animal Farm.

It's really amazing how massively Hollywood fucked itself.

egoposting with 'I feel bad for you'

The day I'm curious about how you feel about me, I'll let you know. Instead, I want to talk about what this thread is actually about; High Guardian Spice!

Music just sort of died since they have no decent way to monetize it at all outside of spotify which is the same situation as movie streaming, it's way waaaaay less revenue.

Notice how there are no major movie soundtracks any longer? They are all recycled 80s songs in everything. No big summer movie song any longer.

took an insult at face value

I know Anon Babble fags aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, but come on you really don't know what insults are? Twelve year olds know insults.

Notice how there are no major movie soundtracks any longer?

Spider-Verse 1&2?

MJ died and everything went to shit

What did the show "need" to succeed? I think its biggest sin is that it was boring and the second half of it was incongruent with the first half. It should have always been a more adult show with violence, but instead of being like Harry Potter or Little Witch Academia, it should have focused more on the characters learning survivalist shit like camp craft and what not.

oh shit oh fuck that's actually something really well known uhhhh

it was an insult! yeah! cartoon horse is an insult!

I d-d-d-don't care what you th-think a bloo bloo bloo!

You remember those entertainment 'fixers', the mob tied ones who killed George Reeves and basically bullied anyone who dared cut in to Frank Sinatra's success?
They played a significant role in keeping the entire entertainment industry from collapsing, the mob in general did.
Once they were gone it was only a matter of time before it all burned because the entertainment industry isn't a stable investment without the mob running around.
Also Spotify, streaming rights, oversaturation and blah blah blah, but my answer is more fun.

You have a bit of a point. Without a completely protectionist "my way or the highway" criminal element, Hollywood has whored itself to so many people in ways that are alien to its own self interest that collapse was inevitable. The mob would never have allowed shit like streaming to take off. Netflix would have woken up and found the police with a warrant for some random felony.

You're posting that because you need that for you ego. I'm validating you because you need that for your ego. Feel better now?

last word! hah!

this is for YOUR ego btw not mine!

Anon you couldn't respond to a single thing that was said to you and when you were compared to boxer for literally repeating his catchphrase it went right over your head.
It's time to stop posting.
It's also time to stop driving for apps and get a real job, but that generally requires a GED.
The guy you told to drive for uber is going to make more off of furry porn commissions in a week than you make in a year, all without destroying his own property and risking life and limb.

Is that not a cartoon horse? Should we say 'That's the GODhorse from George GODWell's Animal Farm"?

Damn, you mindbroke him

Animal Farm is a cartoon right?

What's a book?

Wait you mean he has a name?

God damn, son.

make a shitty show

be shocked when you don't get hired

Deserved.
High Guardian Spice is and will always be shit.

Anon you couldn't respond to a single thing that was said to you and when you were compared to boxer for literally repeating his catchphrase it went right over your head.

I did respond to that, though. I've said I've been hearing it forever.

You're living in your own world, Anon. You mold reality to fit whatever makes you feel better. My entire point has been "I'm tired of hearing you guys", and the only reason you've missed that is because you've continuously asserted your own reality in front of me. I'll stop posting when I no longer have the free time to post, how about that? Its clear you don't give a damn about what I'm saying, so why does it concern you?

I will say, you really thought you did something with that Orwell quote. As if Orwell isn't the most basic bitch thing people quote nowadays. How are people like you created? Do you think you're the first person to ever say "Literally Orwellian" on the internet? If you could see beyond yourself for 10 seconds, you'd be ashamed.

If we're being entirely honest the ties between the arts and control via mob tactics stretches back all the way to the Renaissance period.

I think its fucked up how the creator was so excited for the show, and then it all came crumbling down and soon as crunchy roll posted one video about feminism or some shit like that.

I hate that your country exported and is still exporting this kind of thinking.

So how long will it be before everything dies and we're left with stricte government funded "educational" shows?

get a niche job with small market

confused why it's hard to find a job

I did respond (to one thing you said and nothing else)

lol

You're living in your own world! You mold reality to fit what makes you feel better!

Says the guy that thinks working harder for doordash is how he's going to get ahead.

My entire point has been I'm tired of hearing you

And my point has been that you're a dumbass that's spiraling down the drain with your head so far up your ass you can't tell you're spinning.

Actually Orwell is dumb!

cope

Do you think you're the first person to call something Orwellian?

I didn't call anything Orwellian, because that's what people say when they're referring to things from 1984. I said you were literally repeating the stupid cope that Boxer spouted in Animal Farm, which you continue to do.

You're not coming out ahead, here, anon.

Educational shows and indies, anon!

This whole response is nothing. You're not addressing my point, you're talking in circles and using one word responses that collapse as soon as anyone looks at it.

You've pivoted from "you didn't respond" to "Okay, you responded, but to one thing" in a matter of posts. You think you've made these sage like points, but you haven't.

You guys are all alike in your arrogance, and the constant need to assert you're winning, but there's no amount of basic insults, one word responses, and "I can cite middle school books, so I'm right" that can convince me. I still think you should use whatever methods you can to make money.

yes

We won't even have those. They want to defund PBS.

Indie shows have zero staying power

I'm still having trouble with "trauma dumping on LinkedIn". General rule is to never be genuine about literally anything on LinkedIn.

nuh uh!

hilarious

no amount of yer fancy book-learnin' can convince me!

Yeah, I already tracked that my boy. I don't think that's the slam dunk you think it is.

you should use whatever methods you can to make money

I've already explained to you why the methods you're using are retarded and will ruin you, but you're too stupid and arrogant to accept reality even when you're completely anonymous and have no reputation to lose.
You've already thoroughly embarrassed yourself, but please do go on.

Can you call a drawn image a "cartoon" in the same way a cartoonist would? That horse would be considered a "cartoon" in the sense of an art term.

artuk.org/discover/art-terms/cartoon#:~:text=A cartoon is a full,then painted in the design.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon

Not surprising at all to hear about this...
I've done my fair share of Domino's and Doordash back when the money was good. I'm done dealing with that bullshit

Sometimes people have to learn the hard way that they are only useful idiots for idpol unfortunately. Unfortunately I don't think Raye figured out it was her "own side" that fucked her royally.

It really wasn’t Raye’s fault. That Crunchyroll promotion is garbage and put a bad taste in everyone’s mouth

the dictionary definition of-

you lost

Shit like this makes me wonder if I made the right choice never leaving to become an animator like I wanted fresh out of HS

What the fuck is up with this shit flinging about hustle culture and money? Look, everything's fucked and all the industries are hurting bad. We're just some autistic fuckwits ill equipped to deal with all of this.

What's going to happen is that AI is gonna keep getting smarter and eventually within like 15-20 years (assuming WW3 doesn't kill us all) everyone will just be AI making their own custom entertainment. Maybe some people will post it on the internet for nerd cred and some might be popular, but it won't be making any money and effectively pop culture will be dead because everyone is too individualized now for any kind of group mentality consensus on what is popular or good.

Do online courses and network with like minded autismos, it's a lot of money to pay for jobs that just don't exist. Trust me, you're not missing not on anything but debt and misery. Too much supply, not enough demand.

“Animation?! Should’ve learned to code, bitch!”

H1B Indians and AI take over the tech industry

”Coding?! Should’ve learned a trade, bitch!”

Mexican immigrants take the trade jobs

”Trade?! Should’ve worked at McDonald’s, bitch!”

Combination of all three take those jobs

”…”

Sounds like as always, we cannot have nice things because stupid stubborn southerns rage at something stupid. Like they always do.

What's going to happen is that AI is gonna keep getting smarter and eventually within like 15-20 years (assuming WW3 doesn't kill us all) everyone will just be AI making their own custom entertainment.

what's funny is that this will just lead to sharty 2.0 since AItards don't actually like anything nor have any real-world experiences, so they'll just mash together random iconography that they've seen from previous IPs that they were coincidentally exposed to

too much supply

Ironically that's not an issue in terms of American workers
Art schools became glorified day cares a decade or so ago and at this point there's literally no one to teach new students the basics.

And then one day, for no reason whatsoever...

You've already thoroughly embarrassed yourself, but please do go on.

You'll just have to live with the fact that I feel no shame, do not think I'm wrong, and I've yet to be convinced by your trite words. That sentence alone is the best insult I can give you, as its the only one that matters to you.

The real issue with the trades rn is that so much of Gen Z is getting ready to do them that the market is completely oversaturated

I'm assuming you're speaking/working with animation professionals, right? You probably rub elbows with people from Puxar, Powerhouse, Sony Pictures, right? You're not pulling this out of your ass, right?

Only in the west
China is coming for us

you'll just have to live with the fact that I'm willfully stupid and happily destroying myself

Doesn't sound that hard to live with, honestly.

leads to an economic collapse where people trade wheelbarrows of money for a loaf of bread

HOLY KINO

To be fair, Raye wanted some shitty baby show that was boring, and that's why the first few episodes was shitty and boring. I think it could have only worked if it appealed to a more adult audience from the start. It would have been interesting and stood out from the crowd.

you know people at pixar?

Anon that's 3D work.
I know Marvel line artists and colorists and Floyd animators

No one was entirely blameless, a huge issue is HGS and the other shows in that line-up shouldn't have existed on CR to begin with.
Crunchyroll's entire fucking marketing strategy was

Don't pirate! By watching us you can support the anime industry! Your money goes to the anime industry this way!

So when those shows were announced, the audience was pissed tf off

More accurately will be the video equivalent of FF.net. Mostly the worst garbage one can comprehend, with maybe the occasional good thing by someone who's actually decent at storycrafting

Streaming doesn’t bring in enough money. Piracy has actually negatively affected the industry too, as much as piratechads would like to agree otherwise.

And the revolution will never come because shit hasn't gotten so horrific that people will give up their few creature comforts to burn society down.

The Summer of Hate and January 6th were half measured revolutions that failed because the left and right didn't have the balls to cross the Rubicon. And the elite know it. Hence their habitual line stepping continuing and them letting Trump retake office, since neither side will do a damn thing to stop them/the left being put in time out after their response to the October Hamas attacks was "good".

FF.net

FF has at least some decent shit. You're thinking of Wattpad

Wait, you mean the rainbow of diversity show that is 90% rainbow of diversity creators and not really a show that the creators did not even care to talk about or sell, only talk about themselves and how amazingly diverse they are...did not do well and they are desperate for work?

...I never would have seen that one coming...

so they'll just mash together random iconography that they've seen from previous IPs that they were coincidentally exposed to

*insert dabbing_at_pibby.gif here*

Which is just like Milleninals and STEM and Gen X and Cushy office jobs. Everyone wants the easy gig of the decade but it can't sustain every random chucklefuck in existence.

you forgot the include the step where everyone tells at you for being a privileged whit person that has no idea what a struggle is and never had to struggle for a thing in your life.

There's a huge issue rn with a lot of companies where a lot of jobs are basically there to provide growth in the company the same way the Soviet Union would create dud jobs for the same reason.

Filesharing killed soundtracks and even then 9 out 10 soundtracks were shitty remixes by the early 00s.

It's easier to just download the one big song from a soundtrack than pay twenty bucks for a CD with it on it and a bunch of songs from other artists who were begged to contribute so far for it and who used the soundtrack to dump a rejected album track onto the release for a quick buck

It's fucking insane for an anime importing company who only ever attracted anime fans who want to watch anime...to waste money on a western made cartoon. The fuck were they thinking with that one?

They were thinking GROWTH! GROWTH! WE NEED GROWTH! FUCK RELIABLE PROFITS! THE INVESTORS DEMAND THAT LINE GO UP!

More like all parents from the 80s and onward demanded their kids go to college and chase after the eternal office job. Anything less than wearing a suit in an office was absolute failure and no son of mine is going to work in some shop!!!!

majority of the planet doesn't give a shit about animation. normalfags think anything animated is for kids.

Quick, someone hire 4 fat white girls and film a video where they talk about how diverse they are!!!

Our subscribers will LOVE it!

Holy shit, get your head out your ass.
Uber doesn't pay bills, white collar work does.

i truly believe ipad kids factored to the death of animation.
before animation shows were in tv kids channels and were considered a safe entertainment for kids, so parents plop them in front of the tv and kids get their childhood cartoon of the decade memories.
Now negligent normie parents get kids and gave them ipads starting at the 2010's, where the kids had unmonitored access to youtube/tiktok and watched shit slop for years.
While parents in previous decades are not immune to negligent accusations, they did have a safe kids channels that was quality controlled and ensured to not fuck up or parents will get angry and make their kids stop watching.
also streaming isnt sustainable either and alot of evidence shows that major streaming companies are going full circle and acting like cable.

See, its been my experience that Uber pays bills. Comments like this and that other guys is just saying "your reality is as I say it, so adopt my opinion or you're ebarassing yourself". Did any of you expect me to drop on my knees and go "you're right! You're right!"

I value white collar work, really all work in general, but when I needed money to live Uber, Lyft and such kept me afloat, and so I see value in it. What's the counter argument here? "No, lmao, feel embarrassed"? And then anger when I say "no"?

for sure it will come back, so far I believe that was the best model that was quality assured to everyone and was actually profitable. sure it was annoying but it was the one where so many iconic shows were created and were able to make everyone thrive. from casts to producers.

have you seen where people pay for no ads subs and still get ads? prices increasing multiple times a year?

what's the counterargument

That the money you made was less than the money you lost on wear and the massive risks you took for pennies.
If you could read you might've understood that.

That the money you made was less than the money you lost on wear and the massive risks you took for pennies.

You don't know that. You watched a few youtuber videos on potential downsides of the work and decided 100% of gig workers suffer the downsides. You don't have a single fact from my life besides what I told you. You have statistics that say what some people go through, and you decide everyone suffers and is getting scammed.

Spoken like a true spoiled faggot that never had a job before.

Uber pays fine.

Did any of you expect me to drop on my knees and go "you're right! You're right!"

No, we expected you to continue being an overly defensive dumbass.
Looks like that's a bingo.

y-you don't know that!

lmao

You know, if we didn't revert to being a non-secular nation and just agreed with thousands of years of humanity that maybe religion has some benefits, this person would be spilling their guts out in a confessional where it belongs instead of on fucking social media for all of the world to see.

Well, you don't know that. You can't know that, and you're sitting here with this autistic smugness that's supposed to make me, what, wrong? Am I wrong now because of the green text?

There's no way to prove your point of prove me wrong. The best you have is to try and hope I feel embarrassed. Not that you've embarrassed me, but that I actually feel shame for my opinion, but I don't. I leave you with nothing but a hand wave.

I found the discussion on white people closing pools more interesting, because at least that says something. You've just said "I don't like gig work. You shouldn't, I'm right", and I Said "No, though!"

I grew up wanting to be an artist and I went to a quite well respected art school in the early 00's for illustration. Even then as part of the business course we had to do as part of it, one of the lessons they repeated was that if we wanted to make art our career, to marry someone with a real job. And they were right, everyone from my year who got successful, which weren't many, all have partners with a more stable job. I married a hair dresser with an immune disorder and don't regret that, but I tried for many years to make art a viable use of my time needed to make money for life and eventually gave up on it entirely, even as a hobby or for fun. It made me so bitter in the end, it's the single biggest regret of my life.

You can't know that (wear on the body/vehicle is greater than the money made especially after contractor flat-rate taxes and the risks involved in the work massively outweigh the pay)

Except I do know that, because it's the reality. That you think you personally not getting in an accident on the job means the risks don't exist is just one more extremely stupid thing you've said with a straight face.

You want me to feel embarrassed!

Not really, these posts are for the third-parties reading this not for you. Pic related.
I'm well aware that you're too deep into sunken cost fallacy to reverse course now, even if you were smart enough to understand what's being said.

Something that struck me back then about Crunchyroll, Rooster Teeth, and pretty much all of the "geeky" entertainment companies of that era was that a core part of their growth strategies was doing everything in their power to show off how "legitimate" they are.

Rooster Teeth infamously gunned for top tier talents that it couldn't afford even outside of Gen:Lock.

Crunchyroll constantly threw around what a legitimate streaming service it is when it got its start in piracy.

Literally fucking everything about VRV

This was a common trend of the time if you got your start in the online space

Well yeah, of course it was
They were trying desperately to attract investment

Except I do know that, because it's the reality.

That's not true; you're basing reality off of statistics, but what if I've just been luckier? You can't know the answer to that. I shouldn't discount the fact that you're probably literally autistic, as in you can't fathom the world outside of a very narrow mindset based, but I've had incredibly good fortune with gig work and am only stable in life because of it.

I'm willing to believe some people get fleeced by it, and I've already heard of all the reason the work isn't perfect, but I still think highly of it.

I'm well aware that you're too deep into sunken cost fallacy

I haven't even stated how deep my costs are. You just "believe" I'm in deep. I understand the conversation is pointless because we're diametrically opposed in terms of value, but I still find a lot of what you say interesting. It genuinely reminds me of my interactions with the autistic, or children, and how I have to tell them "some people just don't live that experience".

The irony is in Rooster Teeth's case, for all the controversy there, that was their absolute fucking downfall. The absolutely idiotic financial mismanagement that you don't even need a background in business to figure out was completely retarded

You know what would make us so legitimate? Acclaimed voice actor Vic Mignona who won't be expensive at all!

Let's get Yuri Lowenthal for a random side character to replace this local radio host!

LETS GET AS MANY ESTABLISHED POPULAR VOICE ACTORS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN!

Every last one of our animation projects is in the red? Clearly we need to make the animation budgets bigger and more complex with each season!

Lets hold an annual convention that operates in the red every fucking time!

Let's do an Australian offshoot of the convention that operates in the red every fucking time!

No Warner Bros we will not put our singlemost popular and profitable series on HBO Max where it can reach a wider audience, we need it to carry our dying streaming service!

And the piece de resistance.

Hey! Let's show how legitimate we are getting Michael B. Jordan right off the heels of Black Panther!

RT was basically a case studying proving why you sometimes need boring money guys to wrangle the artists into place

you're basing reality off of statistics

Anon you literally just said "you're basing reality off of reality"
I really didn't think you could raise the bar on stupid but, by god, you've done it.

responding to "you personally not getting into an accident doesn't erase the risks" with "but what if I'm lucky though"

and the bar goes even higher

responding to "you're too deep into this argument to back down" with "I haven't even stated how deep my costs are. You just "believe" I'm in deep."

the bar is in space