Was there EVER any way to make this work?
Was there EVER any way to make this work?
Yes. If he was far less edgey and more silver age wacky it could work with his appearance. Having the juxtaposition of this uncanny looking gangster doing inocous but wacky heists or trying to trademark fish in a camp way would be gold.
They basically tried to make Joker into Killer Croc (pre crises). Then, Croc was a gang leader who, aside from being abnormally strong, had leathery repitillian skin and eyes and killed people with pet alligators. Suicide Squad took Joker and bought him down to the bare bones of "gangster who laughs a lot and has wacky plans". This could work but Leto was not the guy for the "gangster" role. Where it did work was something like Batman 89. Jack Napier always carried around a deck of cards that were all Jokers. Getting a chem bath only helped in his transformation. He was scarred so badly that now he IS the card. Even that example is scaled way the hell back compared to the one in Suicide Squad. Every facet of Leto is meant to explain him when thats never really been needed. Literally look at his hand. You KNOW thats not the first time he's done that shit. Its so... obvious.
You KNOW thats not the first time he's done that shit. Its so... obvious
I'm sure he did not get the tattoo and failed to notice what he could do with it or planned on using it once only
I think there where two options they could have run with and be half decent.
He's not THE Joker but a weird gangster boss and over the course of 2-3 movies he goes from being a hoodrat to psychotic megalomaniac and Calls himself Joker at the end.
Joker was a Gothem legend 20-30 years ago and he is trying to use the name for fake legitimacy.
I wonder why Batman TAS didn’t have Killer Croc be the villain in "The Underdwellers" instead of that lame OC the Sewer King.
No because they made him a wigger joker which was fucking retarded
all those stories trying to make him sound like a DDL-tier method actor by talking about him sending packages of used condoms and dildos and dead rats to the other castmates, that were quickly walked back when people rightfully called it retarded and cringe
It takes hard work to miss the point of a character that bad, reducing him down to some bad troll that sexually harasses people by sending them his jizz in the mail.
If he was a young junkie henchman who used to work for the OG Joker then the tattoos would actually make sense. He was branded by the older henchmen to join the gang and then once the OG Joker died or disappeared he managed to climb the ranks of the now crumbling criminal empire and assumed the robes of office, so to speak. The OG Joker could have been the playful maniac mobster that loved to pull weird heists or kidnappings just to give himself a laugh over the headlines, while this one is nothing but a junkie sociopath who'll rape kids to set an example, and who doesn't even like to smile except when he's high because the damage to his mouth (sustained over his years as a henchman, leading to nerve damage) makes it painful.
That would also help explain Batman's descent into branding criminals, by actually showing how the new generation of Joker is worse than the old one as a shortcut to showing how all the criminals have taken the same turn.
The worst part of this Joker is that he was boring. He never did anything funny he just behaved like an bored teenager who's done to many whippets and probably has a mild concussion from falling off his skateboard.
They should've unironically made a director some kind of Vivziepop fujo landwhale.
Lean into the Hot Topic twink vibe.
Hollywood doesn't really get it.
The theory he was actually Robin would have been great, since it was implied Joke killed him
It would have been cool if this Harley and Moker were just moulded by the real older ones stealing Bats retirementplan for themselves, my pick would be Willem Dafoe and Sheri Moon Zombie
Honestly, without the tattoo nonsense but otherwise the same, would have worked. The joker can be the way he portrayed him, but the tattoos made it all too intentional, like "ok, today I made an appointment to get 'damaged' tattooed on me, hope I don't miss the train..." robs the joker of the chaotic energy he needs.
Your post reminded me of this
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I didn't know that existed, but yes, that captures the issues. Leto's joker without them could have been interesting. Instead his Joker ended up the Joker version of himself: pretentious and tryhard.
I didn't know that existed
newfags dont know about filmcow
Christ im getting old
Does the new generation have their own Charlies to meme? We had so many...
If they’d had extensive flashbacks showing joker earlier without the tattoos, has normal teeth etc. then joker kills Robin and batman punches his teeth out and joker reinvents himself again as the joker we see in that movie. Keeps his teeth metal because he’s proud of how badly he provoked batman, who almost beat him to death
I like the idea he just completely changes his style every year or so. In the potential Batman V Deathstroke movie joker would look completely different again, dressed like a 1930’s gangster or something
Also the tattoos come off easy because they get erased whenever he jumps in the acid bath or whatever
Also gives Jared Leto some more range to play with. Since joker reinvents himself stylistically each time he also acts different each time. I do think Leto is a good actor if a try hard
The smile tattoo and the grill are actually clever ideas, the rest of the tats are stupid
Significantly less tattoos.
Cuz I'm all messed up, you know?
The smile tattoo
clever idea
Even Heath Ledger was method acting and it killed him. Well that and the drugs.
It was doomed from the start and given what we see at the end of ZSJL it was the wrong casting choice. No charisma, no sense, nothing going on between those ears. Just a guy with green hair slurring his way through a movie
It wasn't even his jizz. Thats the weird part.
first example could be kino but thats why we have Red Hood. Even Gotham fucked up in that regard. Either he's the Joker or he's not.
It did work
It wasn't even his jizz. Thats the weird part.
Anon there was no jizz. The marketing agents made it all up for publicity because if big actors like Will Smith had ACTUALLY gotten some stupid shit like a dildo or used condom from him they wouldn't have just gone along with it. Then they took it back when everyone made fun of him for it. The only thing he did, maybe, was give Margot Robbie a live rat that she then "kept" according to what she said during the press tour of the second Suicide Squad movie, but as far as I know there aren't any photos of her and her pet rat and in the same story she says her landlord wouldn't let her keep it so she had to give it to one of the other actors, who then also couldn't keep it so gave it to someone else who worked on the movie, who also couldn't keep it and gave it away as well, making it sound like a whole lot of PR bullshit as well. Especially since the question only came up because of the rats in the movie and her supposedly being cool with rats because she had one as a pet during the first movie. Perfect PR stunt material.
It does work its just holding up a mirror to people like Diddy and their gangster persona they put forward. People just hate them doing this to Joker but it totally works for modern day interpretation
Having the juxtaposition of this uncanny looking gangster doing inocous but wacky heists or trying to trademark fish in a camp way would be gold.
have you actually read the laughing fish story? It's not Silver Age. Joker's killing people again by the late 70s when that story happened.
I don't read comics
Because you can't read and copy other people using terms you don't understand?
Probably didn’t want to make Croc too unsympathetic. Underdwellers was really early, episode 6 (in production, it aired as the 27th) and Croc’s first episode was way later (Vendetta, production 23rd, broadcast 21st) they probably went
This takes place in the sewers and the bad guy has alligators as pets, right? Let’s just use Croc, he makes sense for this kind of stuff.
Yeah, but if we want make to do a sympathetic story about him later? Having his debut to be abusing a bunch of children would really fuck with that
Oh yeah, than let’s just use an OC
Then later they used Sideshow to establish that yes, Croc is a bastard all the way down but that was season 2 when they had a better idea on what they want to do with the character
No, anything with Jared Leto cannot work.
sideshow
Croc wasn't even supposed to be in that story. It was Amygdala if I recall.
And yeah he is a nasty guy he fucking kills Jason Todd's parents.
That would be really funny actually, good Joker. Have him go off on some edgy rant about society and how damaged twizted he is to a bunch of hostages before he triggers a bomb strapped to his chest; and then it's "just" a stink bomb.
[Croc] fucking kills Jason Todd's parents.
Only Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis his dad was killed by Two-Face for fucking up a job and his mom died of some disease before the reveal that actually, that lady was just your STEPmom Jason, your REAL mom is still alive and wants to see you in an Ethiopian warehouse
wanna know how I got these scars?
I BOUGHT THEM IN THE GAG SHOP
then he just peels them off and slaps them on the forehead of the person he's talking to while laughing until he cries
I think David Ayer has openly expressed regret for not showing such flashbacks or mentioning the backstory of the grill in universe. May;e some aspects were film for the Ayer Cut but we know Gunn, Safran, Zaslav won't allow it to be released not even if Superman bombs or barely makes a profit.
With Leto? Probably not. Dude is just a straight up shitty actor. You could fix him visually by getting rid of the cringe tattoos and grill but you still have his shitty overacting to deal with.
Remember when people were coping hard when they released the first pic thinking it was a shitty photoshop?
I wonder if people would have been more okay with it if they'd just got ridden of the Damaged tattoo. That thing really sent the whole thing over the top.
Also I seem to remember people immediately talking about the J standing for Jason and that it would obviously be revealed to be him and that's why Batman never kills him, because he's still trying to save the Robin he failed. Oh what high hopes people had.
Eh, pretty much all his tattoos are terrible if you look at them for a minute. It's just that the damaged tattoo is so over the top in its shittiness and prominence that it makes everything else look less cringe in comparison. Even without the damaged tattoo as the focal point they're all just the kind of shit you'd see on a methhead, just random shit without any real thought into how they all mesh together.