I have a bad omen for what's coming
DEATH BATTLE
Whoever wins, we get raped.
Can the Swank stand up to the Row Row?
Final Bingo for now
which lines are you rootin' for?
Far right column seems most likely
Would say center column but I don't see a fistfight as the conclusion
Four days until midnight. Simonfags and Kylefags are at an all time autsim high.
KOS-MOS vs Aigis
who wins?
Well John stomped Swank last time so we'll have to see
KOS-MOS she's nuts busted.
Aigis because I think blondes are prettier
Aigis wins because she's best girl in all Persona.
confirmed scaling above boundless STTGL since he can move into TTGLverse but not the inverse
What's his MU?
KOS-MOS stomps
kyle reyner
From what Ive researched:
Kyle win cons:
- Absurd cosmic scaling (an argument can be made that Kyle is infinitely stronger.)
- Source Wall trapping
- Cosmic Awareness
- Life Equation
Simon win cons:
- hold off long enough for Spiral Power to eventually match and surpass Kyle.
In my opinion Kyle has more advantages than Simon.
reposting
"The ultimate absolute form of transcendence reached by Simon and the others in a Super Spiral Universe where thought is materialized. It was created by combining the Infinity Big Bang Storm, an attack with energy on par with the birth of the universe released by the Granzeboma driven by the Anti-Spiral as a Spiral drill and combining it with the Tengen Toppa Gunmen of the Dai-Gurrren Brigade. Wearing a giant flag like a cape, maintaining a humanoid shape by swelling Spiral energy throughout the body.
Its size is a large universe class that far surpasses galaxies and globular clusters. Underneath the sunglasses, the silhouette of Gurren Lagann could be seen in small size. Against the Super Granzeboma, Simon unleashes its "Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Break". The whole body is strengthened into a drill and collides with the "Anti-Spiral Giga Drill Break" of the Super Granzeboma. The friction between the Spiral that calls for evolution and the Anti-Spiral that shuts off evolution shakes the Universe and transcends time and space."
The friction between the Spiral that calls for evolution and the Anti-Spiral that shuts off evolution shakes the Universe and transcends time and space."
I don't know if the lantern rings will work on this, bros
Axe Cop
Kos-Mos she has a higher i think 27D cosmology to beyond infinite dimensions (human comprehension) as Mary Magnalene.
Aigis scales to Joker with Satanael somewhat thanks to the DLC having her fight an echo or dream of him of some kind before even getting the P4A experience and EX Orgia Mode
I think it would be a superb fight and lots of potential for the soundtrack too
perhaps merging the name of batttle for everyone's soul and a battle for your soul into...
"The robot girl with the human heart" or somethin
with a Its going down now feeling to the lyricks with some orchestral instrumentals
- hold off long enough for Spiral Power to eventually match and surpass Kyle.
Which won't happen. Simon was drained of his Spiral Power and could barely beat the Anti Spiral. Took an eternity to form a small drill. He was able to form planet sized ones in an instant earlier. Simon's fucked.
How would you know? The STTGL can transcend dimension? Anyway, toss Inferno Cop with The Mask
Raian face
Basado
Maybe base game Aegis, but The Answers Aegis become a Wild Card and access to most of the top tier Persona.
On a base level Kosmos has bigger and better dakka but Aigis has more versatility, at max power level brainrot the dakka advantage is erased but the versatility advantage remains so I think Aigis
Kyle win cons:
- Absurd cosmic scaling
Many tiers below Simon.
- Source Wall trapping
- Cosmic Awareness
- Life Equation
Not a single one of these can be considered a win condition since Simon would brush it off like nothing.
best girl becomes a Wildcard
YES!
who is HER matchup?
Dipshit what? He equaled a multiverse mech drill with the drill of a 5 to 15 meter mechs drill
My cock
Infinite Spiral Power will give Simon enough growth to eventually get to Kyle's level and win him out. They're going to use the fact that Simon with just Gurren Lagann was able to grow strong enough to beat the Anti-Spiral Giga Drill Break in a matter of seconds and Base Simon beating out the Anti-Spiral in a fight which scales to the Giga Drill Clash to calculate the rate at which Simon can evolve, which will be incomprehensible to Kyle. They will also say that the Kyle doesn't really know how to use the Life Equation consistently without it backfiring so it wouldn't have mattered. Most emotional manipulation wouldn't work on Simon because narratively he is above all of that ("We evolve beyond the person we were a minute before..."), DB loves its narratives.
Simon was drained of his Spiral Power and could barely beat the Anti Spiral.
This is bullshit, Spiral Power could manifested in the form of basic combat. That's literally what Lordgenome did in his fight with Simon when he literally surpasses his own mech in strength
he brushes it off because...u-um...
Seems like a derivative of Alucard vs Arcueid buuuut
Kid Dracula vs Neko Arc sounds fun
could manifested
KEK
Shit I don't have my glasses
Because none of it has affected anyone close to Simon's level.
You have to understand that at -- the bare minimum -- Simon is as strong as the Hands.
No incarnation of any Green Lantern, Superman, or the Flash could stand up to him.
The only hero that feasibly could would be Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman. But even then I'd still bet on Simon because Diana didn't hurt around galaxies.
Never shown to work on anything as powerful as Simon.
Kyle has no feats of using it to actually defeat anyone.
I can't do it anymore. All this time I spent researching and backing up Simon. I know he still can't beat Kyle. I give up, Kyle won the Death Battle fair and square. I thought writing that ending of Simon destroying Kyle's rainbow sword would have made me feel better but I just feel like shit now for lying and giving people a false sense of hope.
you're not him, buddy
It's okay anon. Anyone who unironically believed the leak was too far gone anyway
All this time I spent researching and backing up Simon.
You didn't even watch the show bro.
Simon wins.
Doro from Nikke
The only thing I understand is the meltdown that's going to happen when Simon loses.
I'll see you there.
STARSISTERS, EMERGENCY DISCORD MEETING NOW
I can't do it anymore. All this time I spent spamming gay and cuck porn of Simon. I know Kyle will never beat him. I give up, Simon won the Death Battle fair and square. I thought that jerking my microdick off to my collection of NTR porn and self inserting as the BVLL would have made me feel better but I just feel like shit now for lying to myself and thinking cucky Kyle and me could ever be anything other than sissy slvts for BVLLgods like Simon.
Why are you spacing
Like a faggot.
The only thing I understand is the meltdown that's going to happen when Simon loses.
Uh-huh. Be here when the episode comes out. Don't chicken out just because Kyle lost.
I just remembered DB can use Black Lantern feats for Kyle…
Calls me a pleabbit fag because of spacing.
Spaces the exact same way.
KEKAROO!
Is it too late for this now or can they still do it one day?
That's literally what Lordgenome did in his fight with Simon when he literally surpasses his own mech in strength
Don't think that applies to Lordgenome there, Simon was tired, couldn't make a drill and Lordgenome wondered if Simon had any spiral power left.
lightisissies thought they were black hole-tier
>Black ant vs T-rex
The ant is slightly larger than a normal black ant tho
....the cope is unreal
cuhrazy Raian edit
Speaking of "that manga". Koga jobbed to Raian, got him to "take it up a notch" and then it was immediately offscreened as Koga jobbed while Raian tells him he's not good enough and to "train their asses off" as we get more laughable copium from Koga. This "main character" will NEVER be on the level of a kenganvenger, not even Himuro.
didn't even mention r*ddit in the post
:^)
In battleboarding nerd speak, "transcending time and space" is "only" 4D. So not the best thing to bring up to them.
Losing to the strongest character in the verse isn't an antifeat
Hey, in either scenario whether Simon or Kyle wins
I'll still call all of you faggots for spamming these boards with cuck and nigger shit.
Post any character surviving in the middle of two merging black holes
You're either an undefeated God or a jobber. There is no in between
Simonbros...we're only 4D...?
That defeats the purpose of a story or a fight.
Absurd cosmic scaling
pretty general
Source Wall trapping
He doesn't have that and his version of it was a tiny fragile shit one he made by accident
Cosmic Awareness
Has he really shown it on a particularly notable level?
Life Equation
Most likely going to get Mother Box'd or Everyman Project treatment. At best he'll have it only for them to say he can't use it for shit so it doesn't matter. Plus Simon having reasonable argument for no selling it by virtue of how the LE works from what little we see of it
Simon win cons
He has plenty, primarily taking advantage of Kyle's weaknesses and statements
Infinite Spiral power beats objectively finite emotional spectrum
Kyle's power goes down while Simon's goes up
Energy siphon wank which they love to do
Probability altering weaponry ignoring any stat gaps and negates durability
Sheer scale of Simon's attacks will fuck up Kyle's concentration which he also needs.
Just the various limits of the ring and how if Kyle ever loses it for even a moment he loses since he gets reverted to normie status.
Simon is unironically the most powerful character ever featured on DB, and will likely remain the strongest for the foreseeable future.
Light kneels to the BBH
Kyle scales to the Source. Simon does not scale above the Source. If you’re making that argument you might as well make the argument that Simon solos all of DC.
And if that’s your final argument:
1. Please give me an explanation on how you think Simon scales above all of DC.
2. Do you realize how stupid you sound?
3. Why should I take you seriously?
Also Simon can’t just brush off Source Wall trapping. Lmao
doesn't the entire plot of Judgement happen because Galamoth thinks it'd be easier to have one of his minions destroy the timeline instead of fighting Kid Dracula again?
also nice appropriate trip
Strongest character
That's Shen not Kuhrazy Raian.
Not an antifeat
I don't CARE. Koga has been with us for THREE HUNDRED PLUS (300+) chapters and he's STILL playing catch up to EVERY SINGLE OTHER FIGHTER. He couldn't even put up a fight with Raian who wasn't fully serious. He's nothing. A chump. Put Koga against any named Kenganvenger sans some absolute shitter no one cares about like Chiba and he's getting smashed to bits and it'll hardly even be a fight.
My point was the he was strong enough to go toe to toe with Lagann without his mech, not whether Simon was tired. Any regular human wouldn't be able to rip the arms off a mech or straight knock it down with ease, you even see Lordgenome's Spiral Power awaken on top of his head (visual signifier). Spiral Power can be used for combat and plus Simon needed to use Spiral Power in the final fistfight because the Anti-Spiral scales from the Giga Drill Clash
He was losing Spiral Power because Lordgenome was able to physically beat the shit out of him and made him think he was going to lose.
Then like 2 seconds later he builds right back up to max Spiral Power and kills the guy as soon as Nia gives him a bit of encouragement
lol
>transcending time and space
It isn't even that because it's always an authorial statement and the character never actually doing said feat.
Kyle scales to the Source
Why?
Also Simon can’t just brush off Source Wall trapping. Lmao
The multiverse labyrinth is just that but better and was still overcome.
They brought Batcvck back several times
They can afford bringing Shadow back again to fight Zero
Deadpool should be brought back to fight his actual opponent too
The multiverse labyrinth is just that but better and was still overcome.
That shit was low tier hypnotism. Shit Kyle did too and easily got out of.
Technically Simon's beyond the source if you throw in Otoko. The source is the comic book page and Avant Simon broke through that
Kyle scales to the Source
With something he can't control
It was literally not based on what was shown and said by both characters and the staff of the series
Simon does not scale above the Source.
He literally does.
Simon's power goes beyond the Source AND the Great Darkness. That's literally how Spiral Power works.
99% chance that Kyle will lose this one because it's so one sided not even DB should be able to fuck it up.
He’s mocking you, dumbass.
and Avant Simon broke through that
5th dimensional imp tier feat
It wasn't hypnotism. Those were actually universes. Also Kyle got thrown into a bootleg version of such a thing by Valthoom once and he couldn't beat it.
wasn't kyle trapped in a labyrinth and was allowed to escape out of pity
Those were actually universes
"universes" in their heads. Last night I dreamt I was flying. I made a whole universe in my head and I no diffed getting out of it.
If you’re making that argument you might as well make the argument that Simon solos all of DC.
Yeah imagine if they did that and claimed a mid-leveled DC character soloes all of Marvel off of uhhh no way to obliterate the soul or something
Low tier hypnotism? Anti-Spiral placed their souls in an infinitely expanding multiverse meant to keep their wills low and complacement for all of eternity and it was overcome quickly, with them then ascending through the dimensions to reach where the Anti-Spiral resided. Kyle was put into a worse one and was helpless against it. Don't know where you got "got out easily" from.
couldn't break through into the real world
What a fraud.
Kyle faced a worse version of the Multiverse Labyrinth and had to be let out by the guy who put him in one out of pity
Then he was left sobbing and weak on the ground for days
STILL weaker than the average dream in Lovecraft
FRAUDS! ALL OF EM!
I don't know who he would fight and if he could even fight them without a nearby Green Lantern allowing him attack, but I kind of want to see him fight someone.
"transcending time and space" is "only" 4D. So not the best thing to bring up to them.
They're talking about the Universe, as in the entire TTGLverse, which scales to at least 11D-20D
glowy cosmic bald guy puts the hero into a multiverse labyrinth designed to test their willpower
Kyle fails and gets consumed by despair
This looks really bad for him if they start using narratives
DC better hope Kratos doesn't find his way to their Mythos.
Wow sounds like dream you could beat anyone in his dream world
Are you retarded?
uhhh one time I dreamed Superman blew up an entire omniverse and then I beat him up, this is supposed to prove a point about dream me or something
He was physically put there. Simon was sitting on his ass when he was through his multiverse labyrinth.
That's some nice cope. Can I have some?
What's the matter Kyle? Lose your ring? too bad
dumbass Kratos is DC thanks to the OG comics
so has a lantern's emotion manipulation effected anyone that resists similar hax like Superman?
Wait a fucking minute I thought it was infinite. Why are you all lying to me?
it's not said that it's not infinite
It isn't even that because it's always an authorial statement and the character never actually doing said feat.
Except the attack is an obvious reference to the Big Crunch, which does surpass time and space
en.wikipedia.org
As the universe collapses in on itself, it would get filled with radiation from stars and high-energy particles; when this is condensed and blueshifted to higher energy, it would be intense enough to ignite the surface of stars before they collide.[6] In the final moments, the universe would be one large fireball with a near-infinite temperature, and at the absolute end, neither time, nor space would remain.[7]
This is literally the Antispiral except Kyle just fucking fails lmao
Such a strangely similar scenario but almost tailor made to make Kyle look worse than Simon
But that was only a pocket universe
how about you shut the fuck up for once instead of repeating yourself
Kyle Vs Simon truly is a match between the cruel indifference of the universe and the indomitable human spirit
THIS is the guy Simon loses to?
fraid so
can't refute
Calm down lil bro. Simon is not that good of a character.
The indomnitable human spirit vs the cruel indifference of DC scaling
That's some nice cope. Can I have some?
Sure buddy after you realize that the IBBS was the Big Bang of the entire verse
"[Quantum cosmology] [Other] A theory of the universe explained by quantum mechanics. It analyzes the probabilistic interpretation of the universe from nothingness to entire Universe by dealing with the microcosm immediately after the birth of the universe."
Infinite doesn't just mean infinite dimensions. We don't even know how many dimension our own universe has and it could still be infinitely expanding
Any sort of idea of higher spatial dimensional anything can't be proven at all. The only "dimension" that exists is 3D. All other else can't be touched, heard, felt or seen.
th-the IBBS was the Big Bang!!
Sure, sure.
our own universe could still be expanding
Could? It IS. But TTGL isn't our universe and never will be.
Exactly. That's why when people bring up these "scientific theories", you just have to ask for them to prove it. They can't. It's a load of nothing in a desperate attempt to make their verse seem more powerful than it really is.
...but enough about DC.
But that was only a pocket universe
Which doesn't mean what you think it means
youtube.com
lol
Kyle loses to Discount Anti-Spiral
It's never been this over....
well then
Each cell is a universe
30 trillion universes
Still not the size of DC's universe put together
Each ATOM in DC contains an infinite universe
Each CELL contains 100 trillion atoms
No diff'd lol
If Simon wins, capejeets will never hear the end of it.
Any sort of idea of higher spatial dimensional anything can't be proven at all. The only "dimension" that exists is 3D. All other else can't be touched, heard, felt or seen.
What the fuck is this cope? We're talking about science fiction and how Gurren Lagann, like MANY MANY MANY scifi works take from scientific theories that were around at the time. The Big Crunch isn't even a popular theory anymore but it was at the time TTGL was released. "Hurr hurr higher dimensions don't mean anything", within the plot of TTGL they mean something. Perhaps it isn't as fucking autistic the way you powerlevelfaggots use them but higher dimensions do serve a purpose in the story
Sure, sure.
It was and you're showing your low media literacy.
But TTGL isn't our universe and never will be.
Exactly you fucking moron, look at this Big Bang attack that was IN CANON, AS SAID BY THE CHARACTERS, MEASURED ON PAR WITH THE BIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE, DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A REGULAR BIG BANG OR A MUCH MORE POTENT VERSION CONSIDERING HOW MANY GALAXIES ARE BEING FORMED INSTANTANEOUSLY, AND HOW FAST IT'S EXPANDING?
thinks the universe is limited to the observable universe
Kek. There's 0 evidence to suggest that DC universes are "bigger"
Enough about Kyle vs Simon
Time for the real TTGL vs Capeshit fight.
It's science fiction you idiots. use your imagination
Modal realism
Science fiction
JEETS JEETS JEETS
Always the same fucking thing with you ""people""
Nobody called you a jeet lil bro, no need to get mad whenever someone uses the word
People really came into a debate about science fiction, where taking existing scientific theories and ideas and twisting them to the absolute extreme is the norm, and perhaps learning a little about these theories would better help us understand the context of the cosmology of the verse, and started saying "WELL THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS IN REAL LIFE". God fucking kill me.
I got him angry
I'll take my reward in cash please.
My HERO can solo Gurren Lagan verse. Can yours?
N-no...
P-please don't hurt me Viral...
We're talking about science fiction
The one I was replying to was not in the sentence I was addressing >We don't even know how many dimensions our own universe has
See?
Hey didn’t this guy’s girlfriend cheat on him or something?
remind me agan how we can measure gravity waves
I'm going to limit the size of the real universe to the observable universe so I can scale my DogshitComics verse higher than real life.
AAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEE!!!
I CAME HERE TO DISCUSS SCIENTIFIC THEORIES WITH YOU FAGGOTS STOP MAKING FUN OF ME REEEEEEEEEEEEE
The author of TTGL tried to interpret quantum mechanics, ended up modifying it so that the 4d-11d IRL timeline bullshit theories were taken out of it and replaced with something that extremely closely resembles modal realism, which is very closely tied to fantasy than sci-fi.
He then name drops "higher dimensionalities" but as far as I am concerned TTGL is a 4d verse with infinite 4d alt universes.
transcending dimensions is 4d
wut
And my point is that it's irrelevant whether or not we can "prove it" they remain completely theoretical. The problem is Gurren Lagann already assumes they are real as a basis for its cosmology
Indeed, they are vampire princes with gag based powers that appear in stuff like...crossovers like FGO and some Konami shooters
I missed a couple threads, what's wrong with Kyle's face?
pretty general
Don’t know exactly what you mean. Both universes have arguments for being infinite dimensional. But even if we take what death battle has said so far. Kyle has 1 tier of dimensional scaling above Simon. Making him base line, infinitely more powerful.
He doesn't have that and his version of it was a tiny fragile shit one he made by accident
Doesn’t matter if the wall he made was 4 inches tall it’s still the source wall dude. Kyle draws his power from the Source and can channel it, and even went inside the source and changed it. He can channel the nature of the source wall and trap him.
Has he really shown it on a particularly notable level?
He has access the Source which can grant him a degree of cosmic awareness. Also Lantern Rings can scan things and tell its bearer about it. So it’s likely Kyle can just scan Spiral Power, learn that it grows in real time and strike before it gets too powerful.
Infinite Spiral power beats objectively finite emotional spectrum
From what I’ve read it’s interpreted that Spiral Power is potentially Infinite given enough time. Not infinite of the bat. Kyle starts off pretty much infinitely more powerful than Simon.
Kyle's power goes down while Simon's goes up
Energy siphon wank which they love to do
Sure. But it’s a moot point if one infinitely is still bigger than the other.
Probability altering weaponry ignoring any stat gaps and negates durability
Kyle has counters. The ring one time calculated the probability of an incoming assault and prepped him for it.
Sheer scale of Simon's attacks will fuck up Kyle's concentration which he also needs.
If Kyle can comprehend the source, and beings of a similar magnitude to Simon. He can comprehend whatever Simon throws at him.
Simon's power goes beyond the Source AND the Great Darkness. That's literally how Spiral Power works.
This is what Swank sounds to the average layman, btw
Bring me Big Boss!!! Time for spyKINO!
this buckbreaks the Simonfags
I know that. I was explicitly and only talking about the real world though.
Both universes have arguments for being infinite dimensional.
DC doesn't. Every time there's some top of all of existence realms or whatever, it's explicitly not infinite dimensional. Any time you hear about infinite dimensions it's not referring to spatial ones but universes.
Ummm the anti spiral was many dimensions above Simon and he rose up to that and beat them.
Probability missiles don't just ignore durability they ignore the probability of them missing. That's what they were used for prior.
From what I’ve read it’s interpreted that Spiral Power is potentially Infinite
No. Just full on infinite. Kyle is also not infinite in the first place.
lasers, mostly.
I tire of these shitterversal, hacky hax arguments. I'm gonna kill myself and then come back on Sunday.
The absolute BVLL of Fiction......
these weak of counters
It's over.
It's time for space bounty hunter KINO
Well you take that up with the editors. There are more statements and evidence the verse is infinite dimensional than it is finite.
...for India.
Probability missiles don't just ignore durability they ignore the probability of them missing.
Anon, they compared Kyle's flight speed to Hal Jordan's speed force singularity feat, and then proceeded to wank that particular stat to Wally West moving faster than instantaneous travel.
This is literally just his baseline speed that they're giving him; I haven't even touched on them making the strength of Kyle's constructs as strong as Superman too.
i like this bingo
Post Kyle destroying a galaxy.
Post Simon destroying India.
Niggers citing dimensionality, brane theory, quantum mechanics and string theory. When DC Hypertime might as well be called COPE theory because it tries to make nonsensical non-canon bullshit canon while making no attempt to elaborate on the cosmology of the setting, and TTGL uses bastardized many worlds theory but alternate timelines and quantum dimensionality are replaced with perception based modal realism contingent on (((quantum events))) of perceiving shit, but the author still keeps in string theory language of "branes" and "11d" despite it not making any fucking sense because TTGL does not have timelines.
TTGL is bigger, Simon will lose because DB are retarded hype riders though.
Back to KEKposting please.
Probability missiles worked on an opponent with beyond infinite speed, the Anti Spiral. Done.
I haven't even touched on them making the strength of Kyle's constructs as strong as Superman too
STTGL is infinitely beyond infinite strength. Done.
Kyle has 1 tier of dimensional scaling above Simon. Making him base line, infinitely more powerful.
breh. dimensionality is not a powerlevel
What does that have to do with anything? Probability altering missiles were used to attack even when the probability of hitting is 0.
Yes, TTGL and DC cucks sucking off science theories they know nothing about is gay.
n-no u
This is just fucking pathetic.
Lantern Rings can scan things and tell its bearer about it. So it’s likely Kyle can just scan Spiral Power, learn that it grows in real time and strike before it gets too powerful.
didn't Adam have a similar ability against Apocalypse and it meant jackshit?
Kyle with LE and Source Wall
Wins
Kyle without the LE and the WL
Wins
Kyle with just the GL ring
Wins
modifying it so that the 4d-11d IRL timeline bullshit theories
That's completely untrue, there are many references in the show that reference string theory, much like the branes of the multiverse, which span to at least 11D
...the losing competitions.
STTGL is infinitely beyond infinite strength. Done.
You can throw around as much infinity plus ones as much as you'd like, it's still infinite at the end of the day. Superman can lift a book with infinite pages, carried Spectre's body that was as overweight as eternity, and shattered a multiverse the World Forger made that was comparable to the current DC multiverse with a single punch.
can't refute arguments
Wow that sure was easy
Oh so they're both infinite and neither outstat each other? Then Kyle loses because he has a time limit and a battery. Done.
I don't care how fucking fat Spectre is, Simon's stronger than Kyle.
That’s the thing. He had to EVENTUALLY do it. It’s no instantaneous evolution. Kyle’s ring can learn the nature of Spiral Energy and know it grows infinitely stronger, so all he has to do is take him out before he can that level.
And Kyle has options to kill Simon before he reaches that stage. Source Wall trapping (no one still has yet the provided solid proof that Simon scales above the source), Life Equation shenanigans, or even just straight up stripping Simon’s life.
No. Just full on infinite.
Even if so, why did Simon have to evolve mid fight to defeat the Anti Spiral? The Anti Spiral was always infinitely stronger than Simon in his own universe. If Simon was infinite off the bat, he would’ve defeated the Anti Spiral instantly. Simon is going to be playing catch up in this scenario.
Kyle is also not infinite in the first place.
This just shows me you don’t understand dimensional scaling and scaling infinities.
Reminder that they banned all non blade xeno characters cause they were so austisitically strong
Infinite dimension
DC isn't this
It was still the source wall
It literally wasn't. It was a pity party self loathing bootleg of it that broke near immediately and even that isn't something he can just do. You are putting way too much stock in the life equation when the guy just flat out can't control it for shit. It's a glorified RNG and him even getting that is flimsy to begin with.
Lantern rings can scan things and tell its bearer about it
Does that even work with foreign settings? Also the source would be a foreign thing and inaccessible on neutral ground. He also couldn't even comprehend the source. Again the guy can't figure out the life equation at all
Not infinite off the bat. Kyle starts off pretty much infinitely more powerful than Simon
Didn't help Ghost Rider any. It'll come down to interpretation and I can easily see them just focus on the concept
Sure. But its a moot point if one infinitely is bigger than the other
It isn't though. WL's been drained numerous times even by nobodies. It would go bad especially against a guy who can jump astronomically in power in a second.
Kyle has counters. The ring one time calculated the probablility of an incoming assault and prepped him for it.
Irrelevant to how it works. It can prep all it wants but doesn't change how they function. They just go "fuck you you get hit and take damage even if it should be impossible"
If Kyle can comprehend the source
He can't.
Because when you have the speed of Wally West under your belt, you can move faster than probability itself. And Death Battle's already made it clear that Wally's speed can defy fate by just being fast enough, and they scaled Kyle to him.
Sure was. TTGL really is overrated, thank you.
Time limit doesn't exist and Kyle has an infinite source of energy. There. Done.
He had to EVENTUALLY do it. It’s no instantaneous evolution. Kyle’s ring can learn the nature of Spiral Energy and know it grows infinitely stronger, so all he has to do is take him out before he can that level.
Simon at the end is level with the anti-spiral, we're not starting with a post-timeskip Simon this is him ready to jump into STTGL if he needs to. He's even using it in the preview if that still is to be believed.
They've already stated there's a 24 hour time limit, retardbro...
This is getting kind of boring lol
Do you guys have any unique arguments? At least the cuckposting was kinda funny
Huh, Nono is universal level even without her stopping a big bang now, neat.
What part of turning 0% to 100% do you not understand? They essentially ignore stat wank as a concept. You're going to get hit and you're going to take damage.
Life Equation shenanigans
you mean the shit that we see multiple times that he has no experience with? the shit that makes him have a mental breakdown? the shit that can be resisted and even absorbed?
Then Kyle loses because he has a time limit and a battery.
Superman also has a time limit and a battery and it's the fucking sun lmfao. At least Kyle can bring his battery with him, Superman can't do that. The fact that Superman can do all of that shit without having to dip into a star yet, just means that Kyle's got more than enough time to put Simon down.
I can see it coming down to if the Ring can learn Spiral Power before Simon evolves and surpasses him.
I’m inclined to believe it can. But narratively for a Death Battle it can be pretty anti climatic.
How do you lecture me on Simon having to evolve against the Anti-Spiral to say he's not infinite if in the same breath you're going to imply you go by the higher infinities logic of dimensional scaling? Simon ascended to between the 11th and 10th dimension which was where the Anti-Spiral resided.
Probability isn't speed dipshit. That's like saying you're faster than the color green.
Wally's speed can defy fate
Not even. He ran to an area where death didn't exist. It's stupid but that's what happened. Not really defying fate so much as moving to some place outside of his own causality. Probability also doesn't have a speed.
he thinks anti feats will matter
in a match against a dc comics character
with swan involved
Kek
Superman also has a time limit and a battery and it's the fucking sun
Woah I wasn't aware Superman was the one fighting Simon!
At least Kyle can bring his battery with him
Which he has to recharge after 24 hours that they've already given him and while he recharges with his faggy Lantern oath Simon just puts a drill through his head. This is literally the shittiest argument I've seen in these threads so far and that is saying something.
Wait death battle puts characters at their max potential so wouldn't Simon already be far above Kyle from the start.
If being fast decreases probability, then probability manipulation makes you ignore the speed difference.
But speedfor-
How is Zoom a villain if the speedforce negs his time travel? The missiles should work.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE SIMON VS KYLE. THERE ARE OVER 37 TRILLION CELLS THAT MAKE UP MY BODY. IF THE WORD 'HATE' WAS CARVED INTO EACH ATOM OF THOSE TRILLIONS OF CELLS IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE BILLIONTH OF THE GATE I HAVE FOR SIMON VS KYLE IN THIS MICRO INSTANT. HATE. HATE.
at last I truly see.....
and despite name dropping theories, he doesn't know how they work, because quantum theory leads to many worlds theory, which are alt timelines
It becomes a fixed reality only when observed
In case you didn't realize, this is the polar opposite of how it actually works.
They aren't really consistent with this. Otherwise Doomguy would have gotten the Loretos treatment
Time travel doesn't matter anyway. Simon could smash spacetime with a single punch with Arc and send you to the end of the universe while with Galaxy he could attack at every planck instant in past present and future simultaneously.
Superman can lift a book with infinite pages
implying it has an infinite weight. bruva, it's literally like the death note. in the same continuity superman struggled with moving earth
carried Spectre's body that was as overweight as eternity
infinite weight wraps spacetime around it. the place where they were standing was fine. spectre's fall did not leave a HUGE ASS crater.
and it is explicity said "IS HEAVY", nowhere it is stated it is infinitely heavy, it only implies it has some sort of weight. you know what else IS HEAVY? an elephant.
this has been address time and time before, here and in other websites. why do you dumbos insist on using debunked shit?
AM jobber pasta
Raped by Cyn
Cry harder lmao faggot
Kyle’s ring can learn the nature of Spiral Energy and know it grows infinitely stronger, so all he has to do is take him out before he can that level.
The Anti-Spiral with all their nigh-omniscience can't figure out Spiral Energy but all of sudden Kyle can
DC isn't this
Hm?
No because he still needs to reach that level. Maximum potential doesn’t mean “strongest form from the start” it means “best version of the character at their theoretical peak”.
He did. He got scaled to the creator of the universe.
Yeah because it's the fucking Speed Force, you blithering retard. Death is literally the cessation of life itself. Simple to understand, right? Wally fucking outran Death in the most literal sense of the word.
For God's sake, Wally ran faster than himself in a race and he ran faster than an instant. Wally did all of that because he's faster. If he's faster than shit like that, then he's going to run circles around probability itself.
Hm?
They left him at megaton shit
Death Battle counts that so this is going to be used to calc for Kyle's capabilities.
this is possibly the most migraine inducing death battle discussion ever
Jesus fucking chirst, they should’ve showed Kyle punching this guy in the fucking face like “FUCK YOUR REALITY BIYATCH!”, and I’m not even a Kyle fan, this is just fucking sad
Hm?
Why are people trying to pretend lanterns are on par with Wally? Shit the speedforce thing with Hal was literally because of specific circumstances and not something he could do on his own.
it's not even real dimensioms, it's realms
The Anti-Spiral can’t figure out Spiral Energy but a dude who struggles to control his body because of a math equation can
Go somewhere where causality no longer has effect
Can't even really defy fate through his own powers, has to rely on something else
Other universes
Woah I wasn't aware Superman was the one fighting Simon!
He might as well now that Death Battle's scaled Kyle to him.
Which he has to recharge after 24 hours that they've already given him and while he recharges with his faggy Lantern oath Simon just puts a drill through his head. This is literally the shittiest argument I've seen in these threads so far and that is saying something.
No, you just have nothing else to say because you can't deal with the possibility that something could potentially be bigger and stronger than anything in Gurren Lagann.
You weren't here for Wally VS Archie Sonic. This shit aint nothing
this literal redditor has it down:
No, they’re not the same. The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics simply entails that all possible quantum outcomes occur in the unfolding wavefunction of this universe, with more ‘branches’ correlating to the more probable events. But it’s all still just a single universe with a single set of laws. There could be other universes out there, but that isn’t automatically entailed by many-worlds.
Modal realism, on the other hand, entails that all possible worlds exist as actual, concrete worlds. All metaphysical possibilities are actual somewhere within reality, on this view. There would be infinite universes not connected spatiotemporally, all different sorts of laws of physics, etc. The cosmos would be much, much richer on modal realism than on MWI. In fact, the cosmos would be as rich as it could ever possibly be, by definition.
This is correct.
Kyle won. It's so fucking simple.
Simon won. It's so fucking simple.
Simon won, it’s THAT easy.
nah not yet
Simon won. It's just that fucking simple.
Wally ran faster than himself in a race
True.
and he ran faster than an instant
Hold up. Where is your proof?
Anyone remember that trailer from before they died for a little to hype up the upcoming season? The one with the tarot cards? Anyone see anything else interesting in there?
Simon... We'll have to make a truce before we can decide the fate of the infinite multiverse... We're about to face Inferno Cop!
Simonfags don't take it very well when a verse has the possibility of being strong than there's. Really going into what the Anti Spiral does when it sees the potential of Spiral Power.
kek what a bitch
this has been address time and time before, here and in other websites. why do you dumbos insist on using debunked shit?
Fucking ironic considering you keep arguing this shit in a Death Battle thread. The same thread that had retards like you losing their shit over Kratos winning against Asura because of lore and cosmology statements or Wally against Archie Sonic because of him doing the same shit that he can do but better. Have you faggots learned NOTHING after watchig Death Battle or is do you have some form of bipolarism that makes you forget the last few years of your life every time you enter a thread like this
Simon is going to beat my cucky hero Kyle..
My dudes, post the page where Kyle gets knocked out by a city level explosion.
Probability has nothing to do with speed.
:I
You weren't here for Wally VS Archie Sonic
some threads ago we were discussing about the bleed. discussion ended with Sonic winning after we realized Death Battle misinterpreted it
Based AM poster.
Why are people trying to pretend lanterns are on par with Wally?
if death battle says they are, then that's the logic everyone has to operate on. its not that hard to understand.
say retarded shit
UMMM UHHHH UMM I'M JUST REPEATING SHART BATTLE'S ARGUMENTS MAN UMM UHHH
kill yourself, make it slow
In case you didn't realize, this is the polar opposite of how it actually works.
That's literally the Copenhagen interpretation, smoothbrain, not MWI
Kylebros…
But what about this and that?
Stop moving the goalposts. You got owned.
Explain
You are putting way too much stock in the life equation when the guy just flat out can't control it for shit. It's a glorified RNG and him even getting that is flimsy to begin with.
If Kyle can just bestow bits and and pieces of the Life Equation to other I think it’s safe to assume he knows how the Life Equation works considering he has more experience with it than that one scan at one point in his time line.
Damn, Kyle is on par with a guy who jobs to Deathstroke AND Catwoman
enter death battle thread for the 57th time
complain why people are trying to use the same logic death battle has used to determine who wins the matches
rinse and repeat
Well, Satan, this is a good matchup.
has to resort to low balling and Anti feats to get the dub.
Lmao I’m sorry I just don’t see how Simon wins this.
he needed help from the guardians to do this
So who wins between Bigfoot and Mothman?
And they still scaled him to the creator of the universe.
If he's faster than shit like that, then he's going to run circles around probability itself.
The only hard fact of the matter is that if you're harder to hit, probability is lower. 0% is the absolute incapability of success, not a "maybe" or "0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001^20^20% chance of success", it's 0. TTGL straight up turned 0% to 100%, it's busted and won't care about speed. Nevermind the absolutely fucking retarded amount of time traveling attacks stacking ontop of this.
death battle logic, they've argued in a very distinct way, which is what everyone's been trying to do to figure out how they plan on researching, scaling, and picking the winner of the fights.
Post Kyle destroying a galaxy.
@148687073
let me act retarded, you idiots!
Pathetic.
once again kylefags post comics out of context
A whole Corps of White Lanterns, that sounds formidable! What multiversal reality warping feats did they accomplish?
You could apply this to everyone in this thread getting mad at people for using the same logic that DB is using to justify what or who could win kek
one destroyed a bridge
the other was caught on grainy camera footage
seems obvious to me
I-I-I-I can scale him to guy who scales to a guy who scales to a guy who scales to a guy who destroyed a galaxy…
now the porn spam begins
AGAIN? AGAIN!?
oh my god damn god dude have some fucking decency
TTGL is closer to Modal Realism, based on events in the minds of "intelligent life"
The author might bring up all sorts of quantum theory shit as he thinks he is sort of writing out many worlds theory, but what he comes to in the end is modal realism.
Modal realism, specifically contingent on people IN VERSE perceiving the possibility for the new universe to show up. This is why I asked earlier how their verse is "infinite" when mathematically its function of making infinite universes in setting wouldn't reach infinity despite how massively exponential it would be. I still don't get it, and don't care, (something Simon infinity ackshully) but the author said so, so fuck it.
All this "Brane theory" and dimensionality refers to in-one-universe dimensionality in terms of quantum mechanic many worlds theories (branching timelines), which TTGL does not posses, in favor of modal realism. So when people start ranting about TTGL dimensions and branes it frankly means nothing to me.
So can someone with infinite universal stopping power blow up a 4-11d verse? No, think of Goku "destroying" the universe, he destroyed it in one time line, in a 3d axis, but didn't effectively do something that would undo the big bang at the start of many worlds theory, so he isn't even universal level in complexity.
But he did go 2-C!
Sure, he possess interdimensional AP, but can not destroy 4d constructs in either verse.
TTGL straight up turned 0% to 100%, it's busted and won't care about speed
And the Life Equation will just stop that from happening because Kyle subconsciously willed it to be.
Well, ya see, they scale to [insert the entirety of DC's character roster here] So, they can do whatever they want!
The only thing he'll subconsciously create is a fridge with his GF in it.
based
wanker is called out
has a melty then porn posting starts
totally a coincidence
indianbro btw
>No, they’re not the same. The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics simply entails that all possible quantum outcomes occur in the unfolding wavefunction of this universe, with more ‘branches’ correlating to the more probable events. But it’s all still just a single universe with a single set of laws. There could be other universes out there, but that isn’t automatically entailed by many-worlds.
This could still fall under Gurren Lagann's cosmology because all of the alternate universes are still within the same broader multiverse following its same laws and concepts. Spiral Power still exists in these worlds like in "main" possibility
My FUARKING HERO Chadow negs DC
BOW YOUR HEADS LOW
He can't use the life equation. Its basically a nothingburger
Doesn’t matter if had the help of the Presence or someone as simple as Solomon Grundy. If Kyle helped create even 1 white lantern power ring that’s powered by the Life Equation it shows he has an understanding of how the Life Equation works.
That’s like saying I don’t know the nature of advanced calculus despite me helping you complete your advanced calculus homework.
This shit is why they need to ban Dead Company from DB
It spawns retards like this.
Ultra vs Slenderman seems cool i guess.
It was an omen.
India…
Yeah...this "debate" is fucking gay if porn is getting spammed now. Nigger porn at that.
No, this is like saying you know how advanced calculus works because you copied your homework off of Chegg and then ran it through an AI to make sure it was correct
I just got here. Who got wacked now?
This is like saying just because I know how to produce a nuclear reaction I can actually make a hydrogen bomb or an advanced nuclear reaction. There's more than a few steps between the two.
Post Simon defeating the Source Wall.
What a retarded analogy.
kratosbros... our response?
nuclear reactor* rather
nah your's is
Nuclear reactor meltdowns are pretty destructive though. Bad analogy.
Meanwhile in reality.
Don't Lanterns need to concentrate to use their powers? How's he gonna do that if he's getting hit by 100% probability missiles along every possible instance in time?
Doomguy had more aura than the Dumb Slayer
Slenderman is for Darkseid.
He wouldn't he could barely handle a contained supernova. Powerfags just like to ignore all the caveats and just stack their entire cosmology's cast to any individual character of that setting.
If Simon wins I'm spamming DC BBC Porn
On this episode of "What's going on in the Death Battle thread?" We have:
Kylefags insistent on Life Equation antics
Simonfags insistent on Spiral Power shenanigans
The local Kratosfag mogging everyone
Scienceanons going way too deep into theoretical physics to split hairs on both cosmologies
Shitposters derailing threads for no fucking reason
Schizofag spamming porn of Yoko
And we haven't haven't even hit 300 replies yet.
...but enough about Simon.
yeah that's what I don't get. lanterns need to focus to do half the shit they do and kyle looked like he was shitting his guts out when he was holding back a supposed big bang.
Worst waiting period? What are some contenders?
Archie Sonic VS Wally easy. Though that was "worst" in all the best ways
Post Kyle making a Source Wall the size of a galaxy.
why? DC comics basically publishes official BBC cuck porn for it's readers on a regular basis nowadays
white lantern power ring creation is totally a feat of understanding LE
how is making a ring and linking it to LE proof of understanding LE?
…’s favorite punching bag Kyle.
Oh no Simonbros. Kyle can just rewrite reality and give himself the win.
Kyle accidentally making it so you can ignore the source wall leads to Simon winning as he absorbs the source
Way to go Kyle
Source huh? Thanks for the tip.
kek
Oh God no I recognize that artist. Fucking tranny.
from their dialogue it sounds like the guardians were the ones who handled the actual science behind the ring creation and it was just kyle who got to choose who the bearers were
Kyle makes it possible for Simon to absorb the Source
Kek what a retard
oh, that's worse
kyle traps simon in the source wall
but he had already made it so that you can leave the wall whenever you want so simon just casually walks out
Are we sure that Kyle won't just accidentally give Simon the Life Equation himself at some point in the fight?
Dude if you can accidentally rip a piece of paper, you can purposefully rip a piece of paper. Stop with these trash arguments.
Kyle alters reality to make the Source absorbable
Simon absorbs it first due to his acasuality
This match will only be remembered if Simon wins btw
It sounds like Kyle doesn't even know how to rip a piece of paper
Given that Kyle accidentally creates an evil clone of himself that tries eating him later it sounds like Kyle could accidentally just kill himself with the Equation midfight
comparing an absorbing wall to paper
Nigga, you are the one here making trashy arguments
Kyle you fucking dumbass. YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Simon vs Kyle is just Philippines vs India
Kyle can can rewrite reality to the point where you can’t escape the wall. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
There is only one Guy who can restore sanity to the halls
No this is like accidentally doing a trick shit with your eyes closed. A trickshot you weren't trying to do in the first place.
Kyle brought about his own downfall by accident
We getting Source Lagann
accidentally creates something that threatens all of existence
this is an antifeat btw
In those panels dimension is clearly used as a word to describe a Universe or a world
yeah if you can't control it, it may as well be useless
Death Battle be like
Kyle is more creative!
But He still loses because He's a retard
You know what? at this point you should have put Kyle against Gremmy from Bleach. Go full retard
I really hope they tie in categories and then the tiebreaker is will
"Guy who says he can do the impossible" versus "guy who says he can't all the time"
falls backwards into reality warping
unable to control it, warps reality accidentally
Why is Kyle such a fucking idiot?
Why does speed matter so much if Gurren Lagann can literally warp to him instantly wherever he goes?
It uses the mental focus of the operator to channel the wormhole that opens, and negates the effects of time dilation, the speed of light, and instantaneous acceleration. Knowing the ability of spiral power to create new matter, energy, and even space-time, it is likely that the teleportation creates a corridor-shaped sub-space whose two endpoints are very close together but connect to far distant locations in real space.
He's fucked
Kylebros, this is your hero!?
Can Simon just put this guy out of misery already...?
This is getting...kind of hard to watch.
I don’t think people understand how much this fucks Simon. If Kyle can accidentally rewrite reality to alter how something like the Source works, then shit like Probability Missiles and Spiral Energy as a whole stop mattering because Kyle can just go “and now none of this shit exists”.
B-but Kyle can’t control the LE!
He’s only incapable of controlling it when he’s going mad. He basically bathed in the knowledge of the LE at the end of his fight with Oblivion and understood it enough to perfectly split the equation into the WL.
holy stomp beyond stomps
but personally I prefer AM vs Calypso
but then they'll go
b-but he no sold the very concept of DC willpower!"
Which shouldn't mean much since as you said Kyle folds on the willpower front constantly and they seemed to make it clear from his preview that he's a willlet compared to Hal
KYLE YOU FUCKING RETARD DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
This is just the argument DB used for why Hal beats Alien X.
Simonfags just don’t understand. Kyle can rewrite reality to do what he wants. He can rewrite reality to literally say Simon doesn’t exist anymore. Lmao
Stop seething and accept Simons fate. It’s over.
He needed help from the smurfs to do that. Again he can't use it for jack and hasn't shown any proficiency in it that didn't just result in him shitting his pants or cause more problems
Has he ever done that in character?
It is impossible for Simon to win
So he will win because he always manages to do the impossible
gg
You chose the worst page to display Kyle’s lack of willpower.
You know, I don't think they will. They've already heavily implied that Hal is the top dog of the Corps when it comes to willpower, with Kyle being solidly below him, just more 'creative'.
This match in general feels like a reverse Ben vs Hal.
guy who has a million options but a very important caveat (can only use one at a time for Ben, has a time limit for Kyle)
opponent can resist basically everything and has some unique tricks of his own
guy with a million options has a god option but it really can't do much of anything and has tons of limitations and problems
Man that would be fucking hilarious if THAT ends up being the thing that bites Kyle in the ass
first thing Kyle says 'I-I can't win' while crying
dude i'm pretty sure fucking boota has more willpower than him at this point.
Has Simon destroyed the Source Wall?
that wait period was at least fun with the chaos, this is just sad
if that episode came out this season the wait period would just be constant posting of Sonic and Wally being cucks and posting outlier anti-feats for 3 weeks
He destroyed the dimensionally boundless Anti-Spiral.
An alternate weaker Simon that the main one absorbed broke out of his own comic book after calling 20D infinitely powerful monsters baby fodder, and the Source Wall is just the comic border around a 12.3D universe, so, erm.....yeah?
Kylefags just don’t understand. Kyle can rewrite reality with absolutely no control over his actions, he’ll rewrite reality to make Simon no longer exist only to accidentally give him the Life Equation lmao, stop seething and accept Kyle’s fate, it’s over.
he’ll rewrite reality to make Simon no longer exist only to accidentally give him the Life Equation lmao
Stop wanking Kyle dumbass
He'll probably make it so he accidentally writes himself out of reality instead
Read the entire context. Kyle just needed them because he didn’t know how to actually make a Lantern ring, but otherwise everything else was done by him. He managed to split the LE perfectly on his own.
Probability manipulation would probably make him rewrite it so his own white lantern powers start failing.
You know how White Lantern Kyle jobbed recently?
Would that villain he jobbed to actually beat Simon in a fight?
Even in the most generous terms of Kyle controlling the life equation (he can't), the life equation has been outright stated to be resist/nullable by strong enough willpower and emotions. Simon just ignores it because he's Hal tier willpower
Gremmy is for the dude from Medaka Box.
If Simon escapes or turns the fucking source wall into a lagann variation I will laugh my ass off. Kyle you god damn idiot.
No
GATTAI DAAAAAAA
Source Lagann happening would by the hypest shit so of course they won't do it.
this happens
somehow Kyle wins anyways because ???
Hey jeets, check this out
I mean, Hal is the one to actually beat him up, so I guess just depends on how you'd compare Hal vs Simon, the actual matchup this should've been.
Does Hal beat Simon? It feels he has more cree than Kyle
And then the next thing he says is “fuck it, I’m gonna go push ahead and not care about what happens.”
Because the Source is more than likely going to make Simon implode.
he's the one that did the confetti beam so yes
The most fitting result would it be coming down to a Willpower stat and Simon winning.
Kyle can literally do the impossible too. They’re both “fuck you, I win” bullshit macguffins.
This is why I say. If they both have equal hax it comes back to scaling and powers. Kyle wins in that regard. I’m sorry this is not a fight Simon can just “fuck you, I’m him” bullshit his way out of. And that’s his only trump card. Neither can Kyle.
Hal flat out became The Spectre once, he’d flatten Simon
Likely
Probability huh? Thanks for the tip!
lanterns can affect gravity
spiral power isn't affected by it
damn
He's...anon, he's....trying to kill himself because he can't beat up his literal inner demons.
Come on, Kylefag! I believe in the me who believes in you being able to read the English language!
Indeed, its impossible for Kyle to lose, so Simon will make him lose cuz its impossible, even if it is impossible for him to be made possible to be beat
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
Kyle's macguffin is limited. Simon's isn't.
just like Alien X compared to the Lantern Ring
Simon negs Alien X
Spiral power is infinite in growth, Simon could keep fighting forever if he's not put down before he gets his footing. He starts out at end of TTGL levels, where 1v1d the Anti-Spiral without his mech. And he only goes up from there, the same guy who became beyond dimensions in an afternoon.
Seems like Kyle can't exactly do the impossible.
Simon: 20 dimensional
Alien X: 21 dimensional
DONE
Simon overpowers Kyle at the end after their drill clash
"It's over, Kyle! Looks like your ring can only run for a certain amount of time!"
You know what happens next
the 20 dimensionals were baby tier shit to him so he's higher. Plus something something beyond dimensions
row row row your boat
Prove the Anti Spiral is boundless. And I pray you actually know what boundless means in the context of versus matches .
Yeah he was willing to kill himself because he knew that HIS death would result in OBLIVION’s death. He’s not suicidal here he’s just going with the toughest option that results in his death but the universe’s survival.
Time huh? Thanks for the tip
Hops into time portal
Is met with 10^68 missiles when he has nothing left
"Oh smoof."
KO
Simon can grow
check'd
kyle can't just push through and beat the fuck out of oblivion with his own powers
instead has to resort to killing himself
Uhhhhh...
Simonfags, this is, uh...your opponent...don't be too rough on him...
Simon and Nia are stated as beyond dimensions and time when Tengen Toppa rolls onto the scene vs The Anti-Spiral. The Anti-Spiral immediately matches them and then even escalates to match STTGL and even breaks their drill down. Then Gurren Lagann alone matches it, and then Simon just flies right at the Anti-Spiral and fights him 1v1 to the death. It's pretty clear cut that he fought a peer opponent who was beyond dimensional like him and outpaced him.
If it's really bigger than a universe then this would be mostly accurate. DC universes all share the same physical space but vibrating at different frequencies
>Simon: 20 dimensional
>Alien X: 21 dimensional
DONE
In the DB sneak peak why did they start from a clip of the DCAU, feels awkward especially since they didn't do the same with Simon?
Anti feats don’t count.
because Simon is not from DCAU
because that's the only DC cartoon Kyle was ever featured in
You weren’t supposed to post that…
Kyle literally only has one animated appearance
Kyle doesn't really have much animated content. That's his only appearance
Oblivion is Kyle’s own fears and doubts. That was the entire point of that storyline. Beating him temporarily wouldn’t have done anything since he’d just pop right back up, so his solution was to take the both of them out permanently. Anyways Kyle once subdued, restrained, and contained every single emotional beast (sans Rage) at the same time, including Will.
Look more closely. Simon was walking ahead with a cape on, it’s just hard to see because of the background.
Yes but they could have shown us a clip of the anime or something. Like Gurren Lagann transformation sequence
Time
yeah Gurren Lagann has infinite dimensions because… uh… they didn't say they didn't have infinite dimensions
meanwhile with GOD 10:
Probably got lazy
He’s right there anon.
that source wall argument kylefags spammed over and over meant jackshit because kyle was retarded and made it possible to escape
a wall is still a wall. and a drill breaks through walls.
Hey nigger. The entire fucking point of WILLPOWER is that you look your inner demons in the eye and say fuck you to them. Not give into them and cry like a bitch and try to kill yourself.
Simon was faced with the literal embodiment of despair for the entire muliverse, I didn't see him whine like a gay cunt the whole time.
more out of context spam
yawn, we addressed this like...20 threads ago? 30?
He just has the entities fight each other and balance out within his body, he very expressly says he can't contain any of them with his own power.
Now go on, make some faggy little argument to try and spin this in your favor somehow. This'll be good.
Oh man source laggan is definitely going to be the pity alt ending
...For DC's cosmology.
Hell no it's not. They want to humble Simonfags.
Holy shit, they used THAT scene? You could barely see him, it blends with the background
K, b, c.
...'s dirty laundry.
Kek canon
I thought Ion was a basking shark. Why does he have teeth now?!
kek you can literally see he gets BTFO by the embodiment of willpower on panel.
how the fuck did kylefags ever think this was even a fight? this is like the easiest win ever for simon
I can't tell you how much I hate the entities and the other Lantern Corps. Lame as shit
Yeah, and that’s what Kyle did. His version of fuck you was just “if I can’t win then neither of us will (heh)”. He was going to fight Oblivion to the death and accepting his own ending so that he couldn’t threaten the world, he wasn’t killing himself because he was depressed.
Out of context
What I said is literally what happened lol. When the Guardians showed up he was controlling the spectrums to stop them from even laying a hand on papa smurf and the gang. The whole “making them fight amongst each other” doesn’t change Kyle literally saying that he had them on a leash for the time being.
The Source Wall apparently scales above boundless. It was able to trap the Anti Monitor, and beings from the Godsphere who are boundless and exists outside of time and traditional dimensionality.
GG Simon gets trapped.
Should have stopped after red honestly
How do you fight an ocean?
You don't
pffff. Skill Issue
Gurren Lagaan can move at the speed of light
honestly I think this alone could probably keep up with Kyle despite the Flash feats
Simon gets tr-
Thankfully Kyle made it possible to return.
read faggot. the guy you're rooting for is a retard who made it possible to escape.
Nobody's watching 17 minutes of some faggot mumbling, make a post where you actually explain what you want to convey like a normal anon.
And Kyle can easily make it possible to not return. lol you can stop replying at any time.
His version of fuck you was just “if I can’t win then neither of us will (heh)”
Yeah, that's not willpower. That's just giving up. Sorry, kid.
he was controlling the spectrums to stop them from even laying a hand on papa smurf and the gang
...seems like he's doing a real bad job of it considering, he, uh, attacks them on that page...you ARE making sure to actually read the pages you post before you post them, right, anon?
With how they worded it sounds more like a travel speed feat then actual reactions so it wouldn't matter anyway if the ring had the speed force swank
Damn what incredible larger-than-universe-sized people. They clearly have no notion of mass, energy, height, length and breadth
easily make it possible to not return
doubt
Speed in general is fucking irrelevant because the probability hax exists. Even then that teleportation was only for Super Galaxy GL which is old news by the end of the show.
Kyle tries to make it impossible
His RNG with the life equation just hands it to Simon
Unironically the most likely outcome
has anyone ever been trapped in the source wall after Kyle made it possible to escape?
besides Perpetua who only escaped after it was destroyed meaning it still trapped fuckers inside
above boundless
Overvoid exists and it is 2D. everything happens on the Overvoid
It's not a close fight at all. One of them is a cuck.
considering, he, uh, attacks them on that page
Are you being daft on purpose? Kyle doesn’t let that attack even hurt the Guardians, and the subsequent pages are what we posted, him fighting against the Emotions and him containing them.
Yeah, that's not willpower
If he gave up we would’ve been in the Future’s End timeline. We literally know what would happen if Kyle gave into his fears.
DidntvSimon literally lose Kamina because of the NTR feelings giving him spiral power impotence during that battle ? This is a weird hill to die on
guy who's stated to be beyond dimensions vs. 12.3D guy
guy who can only fight for 24 hours vs. guy who can fight forever
guy who has an instawin button that's more likely to make his opponent win than himself
This isn't even close at all doe
This one was nice. Acknowledges shit like Life Equation being overwanked in context and respects both
Mashle should fight Rock Lee
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Does Lee win or is he getting folded?
Some infinities are bigger than others.
Endgame Mashle is silly. Dude can basically MUSCLE his way to life
He gets folded hard
not really? he jobbed to a sneak attack no one saw coming
Endgame Mash managed to save a continent….. by pushing if our of the way of a meteor
While swimming. I don’t think the numbers they have Might Guy vs All Might would help
The Wall was made specifically for Perpetua an—
Perpetua is universal at best
we are speaking of downgrades here, aren't we?
Kyle doesn’t let that attack even hurt the Guardians,
Anon, the Guardians are...fighting back....that's why Kyle on the very next page says 'the entities are fighting against the Guardians outside'...
Anon you're just not very good at this, I'm sorry. Like I'm really trying to bring myself down to your level here but you just cannot read a page for shit, man.
If he gave up we would’ve been in the Future’s End timeline
Oh, so Kyle also doesn't have the willpower to prevent himself from going evil, killing his friends and enslaving the entire universe? Please, just keep giving Simon more ammo for the willpower argument lmao
Maybe head back to like reddit or something, I think they get easily wowed when you say a character is 'outerversal' over there.
What are you a zoomer? Can't sit down and listen to a simple 17 minute video? Damn our species really is doomed.
Yes.
Simon frantically apologizes, admitting that he's still trying to gain control of the large mech; back at base, Leeron wonders why the Lagann Impact didn't work. Recalling that Lagann's power is based on its pilot's state of mind, Rossiu wonders if something is worrying Simon - meanwhile, Thymilph is preparing to join the battle personally. As Kamina demands to know what the problem is, Simon desperately tries to focus himself despite his continued flashbacks to Kamina and Yoko's kiss.
He couldn’t get his Spiral Power up because he was hurt they kissed
Anon mash would make Rock Lee look like a bitch
Simon choosing to let Nia stay dead out of willows
Kyle choosing to sacrifice himself out of willpower
I’m not really sure what the difference here is
choosing to kill yourself because you can't beat the guy you're fighting seems way more bitchmade to me
guy who's stated to be beyond dimensions vs. 12.3D guy
The number of dimensions is consistent in both universes.
One was being responsible with godly power. The other was being too much of a bitch to overcome the literal manifestation of his fears and essentially choosing to take the easy way out.
14 year old boy heart broken because his high school crush liked his best friend instead of him, which two episodes later he gets over entirely after finding someone who likes him back
LMAO WHAT A KEK
did Kamina ever really know Simon had a crush on Yoko? canonically speaking. this feels more like Yoko's fault for making a move on him.
Well, I mean most of the time, the boy’s breaking doenst get his best friend killed when they need them
>Simon choosing to let Nia stay dead out of willows
Simon chose that to protect that Universe, it's like you forgot the Anti-Spiral's last words.
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anon likes to watch and see his wife being fucked by me
But so did Kyle? To protect everyone else .
I'm sad, I keep missing ProjektMelody's chaturbate streams
Who could fight Tooru and WoU for a death battle?
Again missing the point. He shouldn't have had to. The fact he chose to fold before what was literally his own fears and doubts just makes it clear he is a willlet compared to the likes of Simon and Hal
Yes but unfortunately in a WAR setting where you're source of power is driven by emotion and you're overly reliant on a 14 YEAR OLD BOY, shit is bound to happen
well most of the time 14 year old boys aren't piloting mechs now are they? cut em some slack, dirtbag!
I kinda like that SCP. I enjoy opposites. Unstoppable pursuit vs Unpursuitable
Having the will to move on instead of letting memories of your dead loved ones take control what you do vs Giving up to take something down instead of aiming to push through
What Kyle's doing is more similar to Kittan if anything.
that one SCP only for it to end with WoU being the only one alive and winning
Milo Murphy or SCP-096
can't beat the Spiral Nemesis
Loser mentality should've beat its ass like a man.
You say that like Simon didn’t end up needing his friends even in the end agaisnt the Spiral’s mind shit
So getting Nia back without risking the universe was... Invincible?
And Simon developed past that thanks to them, which is the Simon being used in the DB.
dude he was 14, having a mental breakdown, and he was likely scared because he was in a warzone. can you really expect him to keep calm about that?
Milo is for Wonder of U
Simon didn't give up and the multiversal labyrinth is leagues beyond Kyle. Kyle getting thrown into a bootleg of it broke him and required him being let out out of pity
Leagues beyond how, exactly?
NTA but absorbing the labyrinth to create Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is what prompted the whole "beyond time and dimensions" thing from the novelization.
Actually infinite and not obvious in its schtick like Kyle's bootleg version. Kyle would never have even figured out he was in the AS multiversal labyrinth in the first place compared to the bootleg version he failed against.
Well the labyrinth was Simon being abused by Fake Kamina, not Simon knowing eh could save the universe sacrifice style
A breakdown over a kiss is alittle weird.
Like most child soldiers would probably consider that low on the totem pole what with the robbery of innocence
But is it really infinite if you can break out of it?
Regulus
Something something do the impossible
Per all the descriptions we get from the materials explaining it, yes. Spiral Power is greater than it though, hence ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA.
But if you could escape it, was it really impossible?
Alright let me help you break you break this down. The Emotions were surprised because they couldn’t do anything to the Guardians, because internally Kyle was controlling them and refusing to let them harm the walking bobble heads. That’s why they go “this can’t be”, and that’s why in subsequent panels the Guardians are actively not being harmed and are surrounding Kyle. The Guardians were literally just there to be Kyle’s hype men because they knew they couldn’t stand up to every emotion, they say so themselves. I don’t know why you’re even hyperfixated on this talking point when it wouldn’t take away from the clear fact that Kyle subdued the emotions, including Will, at the same time and had enough power to contain them, which is what my original point was. I could’ve lied and said that Kyle no-diffed every single Lantern corp and the Source itself in this issue and it wouldn’t change the point that was being made.
Oh, so Kyle also doesn't have the willpower to prevent himself from going evil, killing his friends and enslaving the entire universe?
No, because Future’s End is just Zero Hour but white. Doesn’t change that saying Kyle doesn’t have will because he was willing to make a Hail Mary play to save everyone is idiotic.
The whole point of TTGL is that life and evolution is like a spiral - you need to keep moving forward and keep your chin up in spite of what happens and learn from those who came before you so that you can keep expanding and growing ever outward, and also doing so with responsibility. It's why there's a big theme of passing the torch in the show from Kamina's dad to him to Simon to the little boy Simon meets. Reviving Nia would go against this as it represents regression and clinging onto the past instead of enjoying the time you had and letting go.
The whole point of the (Geoff Johns) Lantern Corps, specifically willpower, is that it's not the absence of fear, it's the ability to push past your fear and overcome your own limitations to do anything you can think of. In the face of this Kyle failing to defeat the inner manifestations of his doubts and believing the best solution is to remove himself from reality because he can't overcome is just a very solid failure for his character. The fact that he does not master the Life Equation and instead has to remove his ability to use it also shows a clear regression and a fear of himself that's clearly too deep rooted. Kyle has always been defined as not a guy with exceptional willpower but rather the desire to just to do good, and that's reflected in a lot of his stories. He keeps clinging onto his fridge gf, hell he even tried to revive her multiple times and it never stuck.
Narratively, Simon just has a lot more willpower than Kyle. It's just barefacedly evident if you read the stories where they face situations and how they respond to them. Kyle stumbles a lot, has too much self doubt, and suffers from low self esteem. Simon was like that as well before he met Nia and internalized what Kamina wanted for him.
inb4 lol it's not that deep
It isn't, but willpower does feel like what this match is decided on and what the narrative DB will ultimately settle on.
Now go on and shitpost
Cape comics in general are very reliant on a status quo, in this sense Kyle failing or giving up the LE is pretty much just what's supposed to happen in the end.
It's infinite because of the possibilities but Simon to get out only realized that his possibility was the only possibility that mattered and mushed all the other infinite possibilities into himself basically
How is this relevant, exiting the source wall was also "impossible" until it wasn't
You make the impossible possible, that's how Team Dai-Gurren rolls.
While that's true, note that this just isn't as big of an issue with Hal.
Hal's powerups tend to show how much willpower he has at the cost of his self-destruction and recklessness and gives it up because he kills himself or burns out, whereas Kyle's tend to be about how he cannot handle the responsibility of being a god and has to give it up before he can be corrupted by it.
I remember Hal getting his ass kicked in this fight
But was it REALLY impossible if you can just do it?
Question,say Simon was out in the same situation where objectively, it’s a fact his removal from the universe would save countless lives. Because Kyle has been in Simon’s situation when he revived Alex and let her go
Would he choose not to do that?
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Idk ask god to make a rock he can't lift or something
That scp