Did Matt and Trey actually hate The Passion? What was up with this episode other than "Mel Gibson's a drunk"?
Did Matt and Trey actually hate The Passion? What was up with this episode other than "Mel Gibson's a drunk"?
I mean wouldnt you? Its a 3 hour christian brain washing torture porn flick made by an extremist nutso
It's only two hours and it's still a good movie even if you're not religious. Same is said for Prince of Egypt.
Did Matt and Trey actually hate The Passion?
Did the seething atheists hate christian art? Yes.
Like this.
The episode had nothing to do with passion of the Christ, it was mainly making fun of his drunk driving and drunken racist monologues
you didn't watch it then, idiot
What? Half the episode was a commentary about the rise of antisemitism because of the movie and how it's stupid to start hating Jews because a nutjob like Gibson made a movie.
It was pointing out that making your entire ministry about the absolutely horrific way your savior was killed as opposed to quite literally everything else about his life and works is a really, really bad idea. At best, you leave the door open for agitators to capitalize on the inevitable fury that arises when you make people watch an innocent man be tortured to death in excruciating detail for 90+ minutes. The Mel stuff was low hanging fruit they partook of for cheap laughs (he's portrayed as an honest to God Looney Toons character), the actual message of the episode was speaking to the folks who were laser focused on how Jesus suffered instead of his entire message of peace, love, and mercy.
Also Jews
They hated the fact that everyone EXPECTED them to shit on the Passion, not the film or Mel Gibson in general.
The commentary for the episode explicitly states that they were wholesale bullied by their inner circle of friends to bash Passion of the Christ and ultimately even Comedy Central forced them to make the episode because they wanted to put out a compilation spotlighting the episode due to how the DVD releases were still about four-five years behind the current season at that point.
It was pointing out that making your entire ministry about the absolutely horrific way your savior was killed as opposed to quite literally everything else about his life and works is a really, really bad idea.
Christians who understand the ministry would disagree. Jesus suffering and dying is a big reason why people are brought to him during the lowest points in their lives-- it's why so many drug addicts turn to him. He's supposed to be a human who was blessed with divine power by our creator and still experienced immense human pain, torture, and agony and was STILL able to find compassion while it was happening. The idea is supposed to be, "Jesus did nothing wrong and was still tormented. If he can go through that, you can overcome your drug addiction. Even though Jesus was in agony, God did not abandon him, and he's not abandoning you, either".
If Jesus just lived this awesome life where very little bad happened to him, it would be much more difficult for people to connect to someone like that. People are best connected through grief, sympathy, empathy. It's those who are the most privileged and have no real issues that end up causing problems for everyone else.
How it is "brain washing"? Didn't you see that at the end they crucified Jesus, or that the Jews handed him over to the Romans...
Oh, so that's your problem, Shlomo.
Pharisees: Kill this fucker for us!
Pontious Pilate: Kill him yourself
Pharisees: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Pilate: ok, gawd, I'll hang him from a cross until he's dead, happy?
Pilate....had a hard life
They just love to mock anything Christian. South Park also turned Jesus into Lance Armstrong.
People are best connected through grief, sympathy, empathy
That was the point tho. Those powerful emotions are also the best way for those with ill intent to poison the dialogue. Grief is just a hop and skip away from unbridled rage that drives a man to harm. The kind people in the episode who Cartman tricked into becoming Nazis in all but name were drawn together by exactly what you said: the powerful story of Christ's sacrifice and what it means to them. At no point did they ever stop to ask, "Hey......are we in a death cult?" because they were so caught up in the grace of it all. It's very, very, VERY easy for a righteous narrative to be overtaken by one with a darker endgame in mind, and if you don't pay attention, you may just find yourself in your own personal Nuremberg tiral
Didn't the Bible in the Catholic Church made by the Romans going to detail about it was the Jews fault and not the Romans who Jesus didn't have a problem with and the Rome didn't have a problem with him but somehow the Jews under woman control had the power to kill Jesus despite what they wanted ?
Who Pharisees and Pilate?
this post
that question
Are you for real right now, anon?
My life has been mostly pain, isolation and anger from it. Never understood the ides people become more empathetic from these experiences. I didn’t. Don’t have time to care about anyone else
I think they grew out of it when it stopped being so fresh (the first years of SP were a period of still strong conservatism, but after 2001 attacks on conservatives were so common that joining this trend would have been very conformist, especially when you were already openly laughing at Jesus in 1997).
He did what his office required him to do. Notice that Christianity does not pick on Pilate, who seemed to be a righteous man...not like Annas and Caiaphas, or the generally ungrateful Jews.
I seen lots of experts say that the Bible's account of Jesus Lifetime and how he was treated by the Romans and Jews were practically reverses of how he should have been treated by the communities ?The Romans were never nice imperialist rulers of a society just look at what they did to the little wife and Daughters of the Ally that got one of the regions destroyed by a British woman.
I agree, but it's not the kind of movie you can recomend to just anyone, It IS 2 hours of misery and pain.
okay since it’s passover you guys can choose to pardon two criminals
will you pick the murderer or the preacher?
PREACHER KILL THE PREACHER
… okay then
Notice that Christianity does not pick on Pilate, who seemed to be a righteous man...not like Annas and Caiaphas, or the generally ungrateful Jews.
You think the Jews had any reason to be grateful to the Romans> one look at the Romans history all over their Concord Empire can easily tell you no Romans were asshole overlords across the Roman Empire.Here's something that they actually did and Ally of theirs left half of his inheritance to Rome the other half to his daughters one does not recognize women getting inheritances so despite what the Society of their so-called Ally recognizes they take all his stuff after he died gives the daughters not nothing but sexual assault and you think these are the people who are supposed to good controllers of an occupied land ? Hell look like Julius Caesar champion of the common people did to the goals in what would be modern-day France.
at least mel gibson knew story structure
No, I mean how the actual fuck can you have knowledge of the place and time of Jesus' life but NOT know who Pilate or the Pharisees are? That's like being aware of Scooby-Doo and then asking with a strait face who the redhead and the girl in glasses are
They’re controlled by jews and so of course came to their defense when le heckin ebil Mel was being a heckin meanie!
implying it’s not just a fantastic movie because you’re seething about messaging
Woke AF. Did you think Apocalypto was bad just because it made native priests look bad?
Palestine was tiny and only functioned because the Hellenistic monarchies were in crisis. And so they would have been clients, if not of Rome, then of Antioch, the Seleucids, the Parthians or even the Ptolemies. They sold themselves to the Romans for protection and trade opportunities.
By "ingrateful" I meant ingratitude towards Jesus. At first they cherished him, benefited from his teachings and miracles, but when they felt threatened, they immediately made a monster out of Jesus and handed him over to be killed.
I never studied the Bible I never read the story of Jesus execution I know who Judas is I know he's supposed to represent a common Jew and be a scapegoat for Romans as the one who God Jesus kill but if a Roman Governor wanted the locals to execute someone or not execute someone it would be in the best interest to do what the governor wants because he would Massacre them in an instant if they disobey him. Also I'm interested in rome history with things such as conquest and the life of Julius Caesar not what a book says it was like being a member of a Concord People by the Romans in a book made by the Romans who would not want themselves to look bad.
Just watch the next minute of this video .
You're obviously much politically biased if you're calling it Palestine from the viewpoints of the Jews.Also one would like to phrase most of the conquests at self-defense or people doing it of their own free will when they're doing everything to force them to do it despite the best interest Ancient Rome doesn't take over on just because they're nice it's usually quite the opposite. Also don't forget this is coming from the Romans what they really called him a monster at the Romans were saying give us this man or bad things you got to realize that most of the Bible and the holy books will written by Roman committees or groups of people not historical experts on the time. or anyone who would have known what it was like as a member of the Jewish community at that point where Jesus supposedly lived .
I've never studied the subject currently in discussion but here's my extensive diatribe on a matter I've admitted to having only tangential knowledge of
also watch my video
......get the fuck outta here, anon.
That's true of any ideology, any lifestyle, any mantra, etc. Corruption can affect anything and everyone, no matter how innocent, pure, or well-meaning. That's why Christianity repeatedly asks you to remind yourself and return to the creator and encourages questioning things. Blindly follow someone else on the word of Jesus rather than Jesus himself is basically worshipping an idol. Remembering the basic rules and questioning your faith allows you to avoid the death cults.
Cuz you haven't study one sides account on how this man who may be fictional got executed has to mean that individual has nothing to contribute in your eyes ? Also that's not my video that's just a YouTube channel I follow but her life and why she went against the Romans is a clear evidence of the Romans were not nice overlords to the lands they conquered or even allies to anyone they were supposedly allied with.
I'm confused by what you're saying. That it was uncharacteristic for the Romans to behave the way they did and that they would not have gone after a man so violently? Or that it was the Romans who were actually super violent, not the Pharisees, but they tried to rewrite history to make themselves out as poor pawns that the Jews used?
Why has it been mostly pain?
I wasn't a fan of South Park back when those seasons were premiering. What was the discourse around Trey+Matt and the Passion? Why did everyone expect them to make fun of it? Just because it was a Jesus movie? If I were to guess their reaction based on their body of work now, I would never imagine that they were expected to hate the movie. They helped write one of the more positively religious plays out there. Also, isn't Matt very openly Jewish?
You're missing the point. That missing point is what leads to the worst of people. Jesus was a kind hearted man who protected the oppressed and cared for all he could reach and in his final moments of grueling agony he forgave those who killed him, those who betrayed him, for he never blamed them for circumstances they weren't strong enough to overcome. Regardless of any religious connotations, Jesus was killed and yet did not wish vengeance upon those that did it. To remove the context of who Jesus is is to attempt to establish a different narrative, one of the Son of God tortured by the Romans and the Jews for he was a threat to them. His story is a tragedy, but one meant to evoke the desire to help others rather than tear them down. When you reduce his life to the final moments on the cross, you remove the ever important subtext, you remove Jesus from the equation allowing people to come to whatever conclusions they want including that he should be avenged. They think so hard about what Jesus deserves they forget what Jesus would do.
Palestine is the historical name of the region that, shortly before Herod was sold to the Romans, was divided into three separate political entities (the most important being Judea and Galilee). So it has nothing to do with the Arabs, who will not leave the Peninsula for over six hundred years.
As for Jesus - it is not nice to put an innocent man to death.
I'm like 90% certain its just a literal bot posting. No one can have English that terrible without a hint of irony
They've always been pretty decent to actual religious figures like Jesus, it's mostly religion itself that gets mocked. Except Mormons who get the opposite treatment, where the people are positive and kind but their religious beliefs are kind of goofy. And yeah, Matt's Jewish
he isn't King of the Jews, he *said* he was King of the Jews!!!!
What i have written...I have written
I've always liked how even Pilate was sick of thier horse shit by the end. Like, he was aware killing Jesus was merely a path of least resistance and even then he wasn't going to indulge them fully
I wouldn't really say they've been against religion in and of itself. They're more critical of people who let religion overtake all aspects of thier life. The Mormon episode you cited for example is indeed played out to ridicule them for believing all the clear-as-day bullshit Joeseph Smith was peddling back in the day. But then it spins the message around and says "Yeah, we believe in something outlandish and probably farcical....but does it really matter if we're still trying our damndest to be kind, decent human beings?" They don't care if you belive in lies, just so long as you don't let those lies drive you to make the world a worse place than when you came in
This episode was just Matt Stone seething about Christians and Mel Gibson for being a bad goy.
Chaim...
Don't you have an orphanage in Gaza to bomb, Schmuley?