Who was in the wrong here? Also another question would be what would a Michael bay directed SU movie be like?
Who was in the wrong here? Also another question would be what would a Michael bay directed SU movie be like?
Jack horner was right and Steven no
They can change
Yes, that's been a focus point of the entire franchise.
You aren't supposed to kill people who surrender. Optimus was out of character.
autobots have different rules of engagement
Ordinarily no, traitors still get killed for treason after the fact anyway, though, and Optimus didn't have the resources for a tribunal.
Sadly, in real life that won't happen all the time, and the people of X and here are the perfect example of it.
Dark of the Moon's ending was literally changed before release
It was originally gonna end with Optimus accepting Megatron's desire of a truce
Pacifist heroes are good
Merciful heroes are good
Zot, Aang, etc
"I can fix them" heroes just run the risk of looking very, very dumb
Why did they change it anyhow?
Whats this from?
Fuck off.
1. When was The Fallen about to surrender?
2. Autobots aren't bound by the Geneva Convention, especially after being declared enemies of Earth.
Why did they change it
IIRC because of leaks
What's this from?
Zot
Who was in the wrong here?
Obviously Bayformers Optimus, the most butchered character in history
But that's the whole point of accepting a surrender? Then you can execute them. Why else would you accept a surrender?
Steven is an incredibly violent teenager with raging hormones and everyone is gas lighted into thinking maybe they should just reward this crazy person for violently killing his enemies.
"They can change" is such a useless sentiment though. Anyone can change, the question is "are they going to change", and if the answer's no, sometimes you have to take extreme action against them.
I think about this a lot with Berserk (anime/manga is chink cartoons/comics, so its relevant). Griffith essentially learned that he could do whatever he wanted. That includes good deeds, but what did he do?
He has potential for change, but if Steven tried that talky bullshit to him, it wouldn't end well
If steven just stayed in beach city and chilled while slamming some gem pussy instead of isolating himself further by fucking off maybe hed have been actually happy. Because now on his road trip hes probably going to have an outburst it anger and blow up a town like that supervillain in the beginning of the civil war storyline
They didn't change it, they included a fake ending for the novelization.
Novelizations actually tend to include stuff dropped in the final film because they're written before the final cut is made
IIRC Star Wars Episode 3 had details the film dropped but were still reflected in the toys that were also finalized before the film itself
IIRC Star Wars Episode 3 had details the film dropped but were still reflected in the toys that were also finalized before the film itself
Such as? Im curious about this now
I’m with Optimus on this one. Megatron and Sentinel were genocidal douches who wanted to enslave humanity. And the Fallen was the robot devil that wanted to harness the sun and kill all humans.
They deserved to be killed.
Don't worry, anon
I got your joke
Putting physical distance between yourself and the sources/sites of your trauma is a valid step in recovery
Being alone/isolationist seems worse desu. Also stevens an ingrate too for leaving little homeworld behind
I was gonna say Anakin's lightsaber was supposed to turn red but a quick skim on Wikipedia told me the novel didn't have that
Toys were made reflecting the gimmick because they were made before Lucas changed his mind
Actually Revenge of the Sith is a bad example because apparently the writer was allowed to change some things with Lucas' approval
Or simply they don't want to change.
Or are Pure Evil for Nature and must to be Destroyed.
That only works if you successfully identified them as sources of trauma. Isolation is ANOTHER big cause of trauma and mental illness as you literally have no one for you, so should probably talk to a specialist before you fuck yourself up by isolating yourself from everyone.
There's a reason isolation can be used as a form of torture, you know.
We need more of these.
Assholes by nature and choice are so fucking entertaining.
Are creatures allowed to be pure evil by nature in fantasy games anymore? Seems like every time you have some, leftists go "This evil, murderous race of people are CLEARLY supposed to be minorities! When I look at them, that's why I see, and obviously that's the fault of the developers!"
For all we know his very first stop could have been at his grandparent's place to actually meet them for the first time
I hate retards trying to say that monsters are inserts for minorities since i think its insulting as a big monster stan to always have that retarded race allegory in everything. However making entire races of things all pure evil is pretty stupid too
Exactly, Suicidal and homocidal tendencies come from isolation so steven putting himself away from everyone was such a stupid fucking ending
His grandparents seemed like hard asses, if anything steven might chimp out on them too
Sadly, they Ruin God of War with Ragnarok.
They Ruin Castlevania with Nocturne season 2
And now they Ruined Dmc with that Netflix anime.
What all of these have in common?
By creating nonexisting grey areas that not only damage the lore, but are also tedious and stupid.
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The producer of the TF movies had been complaining about the comics and novelizations spoiling the movies;while he’s never outright said the adaptations were given a fake ending for three, it’s very likely
Was he? The Autobots were slaughtered by humans right in the next movie despite the Autobots preventing their demise whenever they could. There are like 4.. 5 Autobots left now?
Sentinel might be a drama queen but he was right.
kill Cucktimus
execute Megatron later
take over Decepticons and shape them into something better.
With humans it's us or them.
I never got around to Ragnarok, what did they do?
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They were given a fake ending!
Uhh actually it was my headcanon...
When you see someone kill another in fiction when they surrender, you gotta ask, would the person they killed honor a surrender? Would Sentinel really just let Optimus go if he surrendered?
Even though you know these bastards massacred thousands of innocent people? Yes... no.
Killing these horrible people who massacre innocent people out of mystical delusions, out of their lust for power and hatred, simply to watch the world burn, is the right thing to do.
Cheesy lore Damage by showing that the "Evil Lust for Power Gods and enemies of the Jotuns", are just on the Same Grey area as the Bastards of the Empire of 40k.
And Odin is just a Old Manipulator like White Diamond.
I hate the Empire so Much.
Reminder that G1 Ravage reformed.
Why do you talk like you're on tvtropes or something?
There was a DLC where Kratos has to confront his past self and has this whole speech on how terrible he used to be and what he had done despite the last game showing at the end that his revenge quest did nothing but ruin the world and how he had to pay the price for doing so. It's not the worst thing to happen to a franchise (I mean come on some series have been brought back just to get woked to death. Not even kidding). But it does make it seem like that modern developers can't fathom a story without 45 minute cutscenes.
Because that's literally what they did in Ragnarok.
Fuck Sweetbaby.inc for messing with this Game and the Ones that still defending it.
YOU, WHO ARE WITHOUT MERCY, NOW PLEAD FOR IT?
Optimus is classically characterized as an idealized paladin-like individual with moral standards that they will not budge on.
So Steven upset at Optimus for all that but not wearing a dude's corpse like a backpack, huh.
Steven technically walks around with his mother's corpse as well.
Okay, yeah, that's not the worst
Having played all the other God of Wars I know that part of the story is Kratos' unending revenge makes everything worse for everyone
And I guess based on this little snippet you've told me the writers of GoW5 got a bit high on their own farts over how positively players reacted to Kratos turning over that new leaf in 4
You aren't supposed to kill people who surrender.
Bro, these are people who call themselves Decepticons. You couldn't trust them with a plastic spoon.
You're right there. Pretty much every Star Wars novelization had details and things that never made it into the movies themselves. Sometimes deleted scenes or things that only ever stayed as concepts. Kind of sucks seeing things that were interesting get dropped.
Probably doesn't help that his gem powers kept him at the preteen teen range for extra years. Probably fucked with his mental balance.
No, and hopefully Optimus steps on the little faggot.
Griffith did change. Just that his change was for the worst for everyone once Guts left him. But yeah, you're right. It's not often brought up but even if a villain could change who's to say it's not going to be into an even worse villain?
I think it depends on the media and what you're saying. I'm writing a story where demons aren't "evil" by nature, but they are selfish and self serving by nature, and that leads to the majority of them being evil or doing evil things.
However, there's a lot of "good" demons because their selfish nature leads them to helping the weak or protecting loved ones because that's what they want to do and you're not going to tell them no or stop them. So that's a little more nuanced than "evil by nature", but not by much.
So it's not just me then. I have no clue what the hell he was trying to say there.
I love how in the original script Optimus just quickly kills the Fallen by stabbing him in the head and the final movie Bay made it a drawn out torturous execution
Kratos is perhaps the only character who "needed" that "confronting his terrible self" storyline if they devs want us to care about him. He ruined his home land, everyone's lives in his homeland, possibly the afterlife of his home land to which messes things up for his dead daughter and dead wife, and then he ran away.
Why are we supposed to like him in that case? Well, here's him dealing with that instead of running. He's not Snake who killed his own Boss/Teacher/Mother Figure and ran away to form Soldiers Without Borders because he was tired of it all. Kratos ran to escape his mistakes and destruction and he looks like a giant bitch for that.
Escape
Is it really "escape" when his homeland is actually just completely destroyed and he did try to kill himself to atone for it?
Didn't Kratos have confronting himself moments a few times in the first couple of games? I never played any of them after Ascensions so I have no clue what all the Norse stuff he's been up to has done but it's not like he wasn't being occasionally bombarded with how him being an ass is ruining everything. It was probably one of my favorite moments where the first moments in God Of War 2 show Kratos messing up the world exactly like Ares was. That he was surprised he got turned on was kind of funny.
Post characters Steven can't redeem.
Yeah, really. It'd be more atoning if he killed himself like a japanese ritualistic suicide thing. Instead, he unironically grew a beard, moved, and made a new family to escape his past.
It'd only be more on the nose if he changed his name, too. As far as atoning goes, I don't think he needs to make up for anything because FUCK Olympus, but I do think he needed to point to himself and go "You! ME! We are the problem! I ruined everything! It will not happen again!"
He had a few moments where he went "wow...I'm a monster" but always brushed it off, realizing its too late to change and he's too consumed by revenge.
The Norse era is all about him showing remorse and trying to be better.
Why is the Judge a meme now when McCarthy's work finally penetrated the mainstream consciousness nearly two decades ago? I hate seeing this fat-assed Joker halloween mask fuck.
He became the forefront when people bitching about villains became trendy. Like how Jack from Puss in Boots 2 was some masterstroke of villainy because he isn't "like" those Disney/SU villains.
Some zoomer youtuber made a video about blood meridian
Optimus is above The Geneva Convention
Jetfire consented to that and killed himself for Optimus to combine with his corpse
And Sweetbaby.inc come and Fucked up, Turning Kratos into a Literally Pussy like Steven universe.
You and the retard who posted the pic forget that this Optimus gave Megatron several chances before he got his once-honourable mentor to destroy an entire city.
Kratos is a literal pussy like Steven Universe
The SBI stuff was funny because I got to see people struggling to say things like "W-who cares if Kratos literally tore monsters a part with his bear hands. He's actually soiful and a cuck because...uh, because SBI!"
It was one of the most pathetic things I've seen in a long time on here. Remove SBI, and keep everything else about Ragnarok and people would be acting like Kratos was the peak of masculinity. Also, I think a lot of the people in the threads on Anon Babble just had a stealth cuckold fetish.
Also, I think a lot of the people in the threads on Anon Babble just had a stealth cuckold fetish.
I remember "MY WIFE'S SON" got spammed to hell and back even after the game launched.
It was until Ragnarok.
Quit shilling your video, this was already posted in the thread.
But pretty sure you don't watch it all.
I'd better put the specific reports according to the answers.
This guy said Ragnarok is bad and Kratos is a cuck, so I believe it
That's cool, anon, but I'm a man and can form my own opinion. I pirated myself, and if I decide Kratos is a cuck, it'll be because I decide it he is.
Dude, I saw the game long before seeing this video. The story is crap and has nothing to do with what was already presented in the previous title. The gods aren't what we expected them to be, and having Kratos say "Killing is wrong" while you're killing all kinds of enemies throughout the entire damn game is so contradictory and stupid.
The worst part is that in the DLC, they try to victimize the enemies from the original saga and the ship's captain.
He's literally a damn slave trader who left them to die at the mercy of the monsters.
It turns out the Cyclops were peaceful farmers who suffered injustice and were enslaved, and are not the mindless beasts from the original saga.