I don't know how else to describe it, but I find that many action scenes in western animation, while being technically impressive are pointless and forgettable. There is too much motion and the fights feel weightless.
Over-animation in fight scenes
God damn that is ugly
the issue isn't that it's over animated just that the action isn't fully conveyed. like when they do the flash of light shit i want to know exactly what is happening. still this scene is probably on the weaker side, I've watched some of this tmnt and its action sequences aren't as bad.
anime also has the same issue but to a worse degree where ive seen mundane actions be over animated and it adds nothing.
the issue is just picking when to put in the effort and knowing what's important information to the viewer
Zoomtars really react to this sakuga shit. Flashing colors and spinning camera make them completely lose their shit. Personally I like to follow what's happening but maybe that's my old man constitution.
There is too much motion
the hell does this mean?
Well explained. A lot of flashing lights, repetitive hits, explosions, but the action choreography in itself is really not that interesting or engaging.
I'm still fine with OPs webm though. It's an action cartoon for kids, and it's cool. And Rise has had some other better action scenes.
Exactly what it says. The animation is spastic, unclear and basically just spazzing out.
The animation is spastic, unclear and basically just spazzing out.
thats unclear animation which is different from "over-animated", which sounds like an oxymoron
nah I've seen some scenes where weebs are shitting themselves in the comments section over like a 4 swcond sequence of flashing colors. then it's shown that the rest of the episode is just horrendous animation. i think they just dont know better.
It's an action cartoon for kids, and it's cool.
So aren't a lot of other shows that aren't made like they're being filmed through the dry cycle on an acid trip.
Oh so have I. For whatever issue in the OP image hair modern anime is an absolute shit show. If it's not incoherence it's bright lights and if it's not that it is all that plus fucking exploding cubes for some goddamn reason. Entire nation needs to get its ass back over to film school and learn to actually frame a goddamn shot.
. Entire nation needs to get its ass back over to film school and learn to actually frame a goddamn shot.
Those are some big words when all modern western cartoons are pure fucking garbage. Also the action in megalobox was pretty coherent and the Reveu Starlight movie had absolutely fantastic choreography.
What I consider a good example of good western action is probably the DC Animated Movies. Despite the fact that they featured people with Superpowers, there is real weight to the fights and it feels more like a fight than just simply animation spazzing.
This is also a good example
The best fart is understanding the flow of action
I don't see why super powers should or shouldn't make a difference. Being able to lift tons or shoot lasers still should carry with it some sense of weight and direction. Probably more so. Doesn't matter if it's a punch of a BEHOLD!
You are drowning as we die of thirst. Having elaborate fight scenes at all is a luxury, much less it not getting stiff animation.
The problem is that nowadays cartoons are just calarts slop so even something kind of meh like the op is an improvement. Western animation hasn't been good in decades.
That's the thing, when calarts types are forced to do action it usually comes across like this, look at Harley Quinn and Helluva boss fight scenes, they are also equally weightless
that's just a problem for all modern action scenes in animation for some reason, anime has the same problem where it's incomprehensible and too fast but that's still better then the alternative where a character does a single punch and the camera just constantly shakes
OP's webm is the weakest action in that entire show.
The finale where they attack Shredder is insanely good on a goddamn TV budget finale.
Some basic ass episodes also have some amazing smooth animation that's very easy to understand what's going on.
And then there's the goddamn special/movie that actually got a budget increase and everything looks like the intro for 60+ minutes whenever the action comes, complete with shading.
I'm not denying that the fight scenes are not animated well, they clearly are and a lot of work went into them. I just think that they're weightless. No guy is gonna look at them and say, "Cool" like they would a DBZ fight scene.
The finale where they attack Shredder is insanely good
It's well animated, but not good
A good fight scene doesn't needs to be flashy, it just needs a good fight choreography!
Feels like all these quick moves and flashing lights and blurs of colour are just a way to avoid doing any of that choreography... they're just compensating it by having it looking visually "cool"......
Like I literally cant tell what's happening in these and I feel like that's not a good thing.
Post the full thing goddamnit.
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thats unclear animation which is different from "over-animated", which sounds like an oxymoron
One Piece has both problems.
Faggot
NTA but your defending ROTTMNT, literally the faggiest take on on the TMNT
Anytime I see people use the term "over animating" its the most disingenous retarded take ever. Especially something like this where the action is clear as hell.
Only a fag would think Rise is bad
Feels like all these quick moves and flashing lights and blurs of colour are just a way to avoid doing any of that choreography... they're just compensating it by having it looking visually "cool"......
That makes the most sense
Fucking based
I don't know how else to describe
It's spectacle over choreography. It's easier to spam effects and sapstic movement than it is to coordinate and pace precise tactful interactions.
"Sakuga" becoming a meme has severely damaged action animation as a whole. Now all it is is hacks copying the same gaudy cliches non stop.
I think people get so caught up in what an action scene is supposed to be, that they limit themselves by looking at references of characters (usually with superpowers) fighting each other. An action scene should move the script the same way as a dialogue-driven scene. Something is not a fight or action scene just because it's flashy or has choreography or even has good animation, it's an action scene because it's a scene being driven mostly by the action.
A character is surrounded, someone runs towards him, he jumps out of the way but a nearby henchmen catches him. The character's friend rushes to help. The friend jumps onto the henchmen's back, which causes him to stumble, and all three of them fall over a bridge into a nearby river.
Too many people think that an action scene is just, "they fight" written on a script and it's why so much animation has forgettable action scenes.
do you not like cool assfuck fight scenes?
why is the sandman dressed up as steve from blues clues
or has choreography
A character is surrounded, someone runs towards him, he jumps out of the way but a nearby henchmen catches him. The character's friend rushes to help. The friend jumps onto the henchmen's back, which causes him to stumble, and all three of them fall over a bridge into a nearby river.
That is choreography you fucking moron.
Choreography is a designed sequence of events. Not all action scenes have that.
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This counts as an action scene and the characters are either sitting or standing with most of the "action" legwork being done by animators having spaceships fly through space. Nobody needs to hire a choreographer for this.
There's no real choreography, just characters swinging weapons and magic at each other whilst screaminh
A well conposited still frame panning across some speedlines >incomprehensible exploding cubes
NTA, but
ROTTMNT
cool
Like no little boy would ever think that any of the characters on rottmnt are "cool"
Choreography is a designed sequence of events.
All action scenes are a designed sequence of events. We're using choreography to refer specifically to coordinating CHARACTERS engaging in an action sequence because the term came from dancing. Yes we're all aware that coordinating a car chase is different form of action than a boxing match. Take that pedantic midwit redditor shit somewhere else