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X-men discussion Thread
Waid’s Daredevil was a solid read. At least for the first 20 or so issues. It managed to balance the right amount of secret identity drama with superhero action. I know this the newfag in me talking, but this shit was gourmet.
The Spider-Man crossover was a definite treat. The art was dynamic and full of electric motion. I forgot that comics could actually be this fun. Thought I will concede that the first arc resolves itself rather abruptly. But the Latveria two-parter made up for the quick resolution in my book.
This series along with avengers academy really did wonders for Hank Pym. I’d never thought I’d say it, but I miss him.
Sadly, I felt the Sons of the Serpent arc lost a great deal of the momentum. I just don’t take them that seriously as a threat. The whole white-supremacist secret society angle never felt particularly believable for such a grounded character. Maybe in the Midwest, maybe. But in New York? Give me a break. The fact that Murdock was Irish, and the inherent hypocrisy that the SotS would be recruiting from demographic that once weren’t considered ‘white’ never came up. But this was 2010’s Mark Waid, so subtlety went out the window. But I did enjoy the courtroom issue. A Tight clean plot.
The less said about the San Francisco era the better. Who let Samwise cook with that horrible costume?
I never liked Waid.
you snooze you lose anon, it's surprising that it survived 4 days, I thought it would be over the next day. I sincerely doubt this one will survive, maybe I'll just leave a link to that thread, it was pretty fun to write that
he is certainly overrated, and he has a weird hate/love relationship with the x-men because he wanted to be the greatest x-men writer ever, but got cockblocked by lobdell, about which he is still butthurt to his day.
HOWEVER, he wrote one of the best Cyclops story ever (picrel, AvX Infinity comic tie-in number 2). He also handled Cyke pretty well in Champions. In a way his dream was fulfilled.
Infinity comic tie-in number 2
what is it with the infinity comics being better than they have any right to be specifically when it comes to X-Men
more freedom perhaps? they are not the priority so maybe the writers are more allowed to develop the world? X-Men Unlimited back in the day was also very kino
meh
I think I might be starting to retroactively hate even the X-men I remember liking. I think I might want to try trading in a lot of my X-men omnis and maybe get some DC books. It just kind of hurts to think about them now.
I'm reading all of x-factor, currently on the DeMatteis' run.
The book has been extremely hit or miss. With simonson, with PAD, with lobdell and deMatteis too. There's always something just keeping it from being consistently entertaining.
The one thing that's consistent across all is just how high effort the art is. Stroman leaves and Dematteis comes in, who while he doesn't really fit the mood but he compensates with some of the best lines of the year, and then Duurcema takes over and holy shit it looks GOOD.
I think i'm 10 issues away from the post-crash art degradation. but I'm amazed at how good some panels get
Why??
i mean look at this, hole fuck
cause anon is a boring person
Because at this point I've been out of X-men longer than I was actually INTO them.
Mad props for making these threads, but I was not able to get into X-Men.
Out of the frying pan, into another frying pan.
Did Krakoafags get over it yet?
Krakoa fags were never readers. They wouldn't even know it ended if someone didn't tell them.
Fuck off I was an OP of the previous thread that everyone liked and I was a krakoafag
The only people that are the problem are shitposters. When Krakoa was happening they were screeching not muh x-men. With the current era they screech about x-men being fascists. Fuck them, and fuck you
The only people that are the problem are shitposters.
dat's right
Sex with Pixie
The more I have read about Krakoa ordinary life the more I hate that nation
I hate how she have normal eyes
been a while since Ive seen his art
*her
ah shit i didn't notice it's one of his matokos
Is this a hentai?
I hated Krakoa specifically cause I did in fact read the damn thing from beginning to end. But acting like it didn't happen and that a portion of the X-fandom didn't have good reason to like it is far faggier than pretending it was all bad.
"But why did you read it if you hated it so much?"
Cause I know persnickety little cocksuckers like you would claim someone like me didn't as a kneejerk response.
With the current era they screech about x-men being fascists
Honestly, I wouldn't call them fascists. I'd call them more like antifa types, in the sense that they're basically pissed off at everyone for how they see society is filled with the kind of assholes that shouldn't be in charge, but otherwise massively rudderless in regards to how to deal with it beyond punching the shit out of "the fascists". And I don't necessarily blame them, if only cause it really is a hellscape for mutants currently (albeit partly due to the fault of the Quiet Council's bullshit).
About the only thing I missed about that era was stuff like pic related, where the fact the editors were completely asleep at the wheel means the writers got to slip in bits of history that people would otherwise ignore like the Morlock perspective of the infamous mutant massacre event that's simultaneously been a huge deal but not reflected on nearly enough outside of being angst bait for Gambit. Stuff like that was nice.
You mean the "girl" who always complaining about objectification while he draws his waifu is skimpier and skimpier outfits
How did Krakoa's goverment worked? Can it be called fascist?
I mean, you could, but I don't know if I'd go outright "fascist" since it doesn't quite confront the primary reason Krakoa's government sucked. In theory, it should have been a noocracy, or essentially Plato's ideal of a government ruled by "the wise", which you can see since they were including all manner of influential scientists and thinkers in the mutant movement. In practice, it's closer to a regular old oligarchy bordering on aristocracy, since there were little to no obvious checks or balance of power beyond whatever the Quiet Council pitted against itself. Hell, if you consider the X-men to effectively be the collective military side of Krakoa, you could argue it was a stratocracy from the fact every single person in power was either one of the X-men or their foes. And yes, you could argue that's because the guys in charge have the most influence and personal power, but that really only reinforces how much of a stranglehold the "power = right to rule" dichotomy set in for Krakoa even from the start and how it was destined to fall apart if forced to exist long-term...which it did.
And I will give credit to the writers once they realized that this level of cronyism was a bad look for the X-men and were including an in-universe pivot to reestablishing Krakoa as a democracy before they got pwned out of existence. It's not much, but it's still a thing.
There was anything beside the orgies that the people did? I would imagine a whole bunch of sports done thanks to super powers
Depends. Do we count the bloodsport arena used for religious ceremony/propaganda play?
Cause otherwise, no, not really. About the most that was ever directly shown beyond the excess open sex was people partying, hot tubbing, drinking, and extremely rarely playing more mundane sports like Wolverine going surfing or kids playing volleyball. There were no public libraries, no theaters, no community centers, no national parks (although I guess you could consider Krakoa one if you had to stretch it), not even an animal sanctuary or plant nursery (although again living island). It's kind of no wonder that they demanded unlimited access to every country on the planet, cause I have to imagine that the lack of shopping malls and arcades would bore the shit out of most of the inhabitants.
He pulls it off better than most but I don't like him so I will not respect his pronouns.
he wanted to be the greatest x-men writer ever, but got cockblocked by lobdell, about which he is still butthurt to his day.
IIRC this was specifically over the Onslaught storyline, Waid wanted Onslaught to just be Xavier turned permanently evil, but Xavier was Lobdell's favorite X-Men character and he didn't want to do this, editorial took his side because they didn't think permanently (or even cape-comic "permanently") turning him into a villain was a good idea either.
Krakoa entire propaganda is based on mutants being superior because of their powers
they don't even use them to have fun
Imagine seeing yourself as better than humans because you have wings but then only pass the day fucking instead of flying in the sky with other flying mutants
No, fuck you and your wet brain.
No fuck you and go back to plebbit dumbass nigga. You are the exact reason this thread exists, becuase people are fucking tired of you and your shitty takes. Don't enter this thread, don't post here, go back to your containment shitty thread
I hated Krakoa specifically cause I did in fact read the damn thing from beginning to end. But acting like it didn't happen and that a portion of the X-fandom didn't have good reason to like it is far faggier than pretending it was all bad.
And this I can understand. An informed opinion is worth discussing with, unlike shitposters who constantly ree about whatever is the contrarian thing
Hell, if you consider the X-men to effectively be the collective military side of Krakoa
One of the many things that were hinted but never elaborated (because monthly capeshit decompressed floppies) was that the only remnants of the X-Men was solely the Cyclops team, and the Quiet Council wasn't happy about X-Men still existing. As someone posted previously - Krakoa asked a question "Are the X-Men needed anymore with a paradise island?". A question that it never bothered to answer, alas the question was sound
but Xavier was Lobdell's favorite X-Men character and
makes sense considering that Lobdell wrote some of the greatest Xavier speeches that would make Claremont blush with wordiness. Also, during covid, Lobdell did a fan-comic on instagram, in which Xavier was the main character.
So yeah, based Lobdell. I'm sorry that I ever doubted in him
I hated Krakoa and I'm lucky my nigga Remy didn't do fucking shit in it and was stuck in Excalibur hell instead. Speaking of Gambit, I'm glad his Claremont mini was fun, shame the Rogue and Gambit one a few years back sucked huge dick in the writing department, even if the art guy was clearly having fun with every page from how expressive everyone was.
I know some people don't like how everything is kind of a return to standard with the current 3 ongoing comics, but I've been enjoying Uncanny quite a bit so far, and it was a good place to introduce a buddy of mine into X-Men since it was a real return to form without much need to know all the earlier arcs
I have to note that when I speak of the X-men being military, I don't just mean the X-men team consisting of those people that Cyclops picked to lead into fighting against the forces arrayed against Krakoa. I'm talking about the X-men as a whole, as in every person that's fought with or for the X-men, taught by any of them on how to fight, or essentially consider themselves an adherent to Xavier's/Cyclops's respective visions enough to fight. Cause if you consider it from that angle, then pretty much every government function was filled by someone who was at some point affiliated very directly with the X-men, or one of their foes. And as the comics have admitted that at this point the X-men trains effectively child soldiers for their own self-defense, that makes them close to military.
And if that's not explicit enough, consider how everyone in control of the government doesn't have any credentials for leading a government beyond Apocalypse, and only in the sense he was a bronze-age tyrant. No civilians who might have worked in law or business, or even just anyone that's not a personal friend to one of the X-men. And if you're willing to argue against that, you have to admit that's at least a massively corrupt level of cronyism to such a government.
How many years before a new Genosha or another mutant nation appear?
didn't have good reason to like it
What good reason could there possibly have been to like that garbage?
For about a good chunk fans of the individual X-men characters, it was basically a feast of characterization issues and stories focused on a number of the guys that are generally ignored throughout the years. Granted, if you were a fan of say Beast you got massively fucked over, but Marvel doesn't really seem to like him in general nowadays.
Krakoafags seeing the mansion again be like
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