Zootopia's message was so stupid and I'm glad more people are calling it out

Zootopia's message was so stupid and I'm glad more people are calling it out.

Or maybe it was meant to be a cute film about animals you retarded faggot

Real talk tho, it's supposed to be bad the city goes out of it's way to meet the needs of the people living there?

I hope people keep calling it out when 2 rolls around, though I doubt Disney has the balls to make any racism or political commentary after playing it safe for so long.

Death to left wing woke retards.

Of all the things to call out in Zootopia, its assuming the small living area is considered a bad thing because ... ?

Did we not have at the beginning a training montage showing that even a bunny can train hard enough to become as strong as a rhino?

Anti-racism

Every single theme Zootopia tried to shill is a falsehood...

Female Cops being capable.

Judy being depicted as a good cop when she only solves the case thanks to befriending criminals and she uses blackmail tactics as well.

Diversity and multiculturalism being celebrated.

All of this is shit. And that last one in particular is what enabled the riots depicted in the movie itself but you're not supposed to notice any of these things. You're simply expected to automatically agree with multiculturalism society of bullshit. Hate this trash movie so much and resent how much money it made. Makes me worry about how much undeserved money Zootopia 2 is going to make. Normies after stupid after all.

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Not to make this west vs. east, but I don't think anything can top Brand New Animal, which seemingly takes every opportunity to show that the furries are dangerous, stupid, and literally ends with a chimpout because they can't handle life in dense multicultural societies. Also they are ruled over and guided by an obvious jew allegory. Whoever managed to sneak it past Netflix deserves a medal.

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Jesus, why am i seeing this faggot everywhere now? Even when i agree with him i can't stand that he just butts in random conversations on Twitter just to shill his failed channel

You're separating them from others and making them and everyone else happy.

In fact think about this how that little rodent neighborhood has both prey rodents and predator rodents living together, which actually proves how dumb this argument is because Predator vs Prey is a very anthropomorphic view of the food chain.

Next we're going to Judy say that Israelfur have the right to defend themselves.

One of the main objectives of the anti-racism movement was to prove that despite the appearance differences, all humans are still the same species with no biological advantage for intelligence or morality for any group.
Using animals as a race allegory just falls flat because animals aren't equals. A rhino is stronger than a rabbit, an elephant would be a kaiju for the rat town, sloths are slower than everyone else, YET carnivores don't eat other animals because it was arbitrarily decided.

Ah yes that 15min deleted scene where everyone went "well at least the shortstacks don't live around here".
Quit being retarded.

That's like Russians living in Ireland. They're both still white.

They're not separated though, they're just living in a community that accommodates to their needs.

Wait, are you implying leftoids are actively taking the initiative to suppress women's rights?

The moral should have been that racism is natural but to live in a civil society we must rise above it.

You know who I bet who disagrees with this? The Russian who always makes a point to distant themselves from the rest of europe.

When do white people get accommodated for their needs?

why does he think different types of people can't coexist?

Don't forget the bully fox just randomly turning over a new leaf offscreen

Hey speaking of Russians what about the fucking shrew-run polar bear mafia? Why is that just kind of...overlooked, as a plot point?

It's like making a movie about why being mean to black people is bad while doing jokes about other races all the time.

People say that it's about oppressing black people and yet the worst thing about it is that it's not entirely clear who is ACTUALLY supposed to represent them in the metaphor. And either way it's REALLY bad if you think too much about it.

Option A:

The predators are minority people, so they're inherently violent and even if they're good now they're not too far from the old days of menacing the poor weak white folks

Option B:

The prey are the oppressed folks and now they leverage that to become the new oppressors like the sneaky manipulators they are

Like either way it's fucking bonkers.

Get over the fucking small town and explain to me how the sloth jokes don't go against the message.

In a lot of ways animals are equal as they merely following an ecological niche. An apex predator doesn't think themselves as "superior" or a prey animal as "inferior", they're just relying on instincts to survive.

Not forget that hopps deserved none of this.

Also yeah a realistic world of anthro animals would be more or less still a jungle, fuck a city

What pisses me off the most about Zootopia is that it could just have been a movie about animal cops solving a mystery. It would have been as much successful as it is because no one went to see this movie for social messaging.
But no, Hollywood fuckers just can't help themselves. They have to shove this shit everywhere.
It's a shame because it is a fun movie despite everything.

Being white is the accommodation, or adaption if you will, of european immigrants. They shed their ethnic identity to assimilate and keeping up with the evolution analogy there was tradeoff to ditching the minority label where an ethnic irish person's need cannot be met because they gave up being irish for being white.

1. The complaint of a variety of mammals representing human races can be woeked as a complaint but it is retarded to have that startung point by assuming that the neighborhood designed for smaller mammals is some forced or socially suggested segregation. Especially since we spend so little time there they don't even imply they have to live there or that all small mammals do live there.
2. We never bring up the diet of predators but considering we never see see birds or fish there is no reason to assume they aren't on the menu.
3. What anti-racism movement are you mentioning? Was it one that was part of the movie/story development or focusgroup testinf?

foxes are predator wild dogs

Nope. Despite the physical similarities, dogs and foxes are only kinda distantly related and can't interbreed. Neither can dholes, lupulellas and licaons, each of which are called and resemble digs but can't interbreed with them nor even with each other.
They're not dogs.

Being white is the accommodation

What year are you living in?

What needs?

I know Beastars isn't a kids show and isn't a race allegory, but at least it had the balls to show that there is a difference between prey and predator while not villanizing either. Didn't watch the last part, so I have no idea what goes on.

The need to get away from everyone who isn't them and to be left alone.

What anti-racism movement are you mentioning?

Specifically biologists arguing against dividing various groups of humans into different species.

I've heard there's been breakthrough in domesticating foxes though, for some reason.

gosh I just really love the smell of fox piss everywhere and loudass yips in the middle of the night.

Anon is explaining how italians and irish get to just be "white" now instead of being ostracized like they used to be. I'm not sure if that really works for the argument being made, but that's what he's saying.

Thats called a cabin the middle of fuckoff nowhere.
Which is what white people already have so good job enjoy let us know hiw the writing hobby you picked up is going.

the bully fox just randomly turning over a new leaf offscreen

Setting aside there is supposed to be the equivalent of at least a decade passing between the flashback and the main film, it's a thematic point.

Do we need to discuss the difference between allegory and applicability or how you don't need everything to line up exactly with real world equivalents when you're not making direct comparisons?

fuckoff

Why can't non whites do this? Is it because they know they can't survive without leeching off of whites?

And don't give me that colonization shit. No average white person is going around the world picking fights with non whites.

How should’ve zootopia gone then?

Basically that and how you can't address the needs of a community by what they are not, ethnic.
Like would would a non-ethnic group needs even be y'know? It's defined by what's it not.

Make it just a fun adventure about animal cops.

Nonwhites really have nothing to do with white people enjoying a cabin in fuckoff nowhere.
Its about a person wanting to live away from everyone who isn't them, like anon asked for.

And it just happens to be typically white guys so ya know stereotypes have some origin.

They did.

Irish and Italians were always white. They were just the wrong kind of white. No one really understands the historical context of intra-group prejudice among whites because ethnicism and colorism have largely been excised from American racial assumptions, particularly among white people.

almost like how in real life different cultures have inconsolable values and any attempts at bringing them together are bound to end in violence.

It's going to be a fun time when white people are no longer around and you're stuck under the boot of pedophiles from the middle east.

tfw a tweet from a youtuber i like though i wish he would steer away from low-hanging political fruit for joke fodder (haha joe biden old amirite) has become the catalyst for a discussion of race metaphors on Anon Babble

Doesn't feel too good man

People actually want that though. They hate women and blacks almost as much as whites do, and it comes with child brides

If Zootopia wanted to drive the idea home, they should have shown that every time you divide a group by certain traits, eventually the culled group will want to further divide. Imagine if Bellwether fled and formed her own prey-only colony. Somebody could stand up and say rodents and ungulates shouldn't mix because ungulates can crush rodents by total accident. There will always be something to divide people so segregation is a dumb solution.

Instead of being under the boot of pedophiles in the white house?

A fun adventure about animal cops without a race allegory.

You think you do, but you don't. It's easy to think of something in your head but the reality of living it second by second, minute by minute, day by day until you die of exhaustion and depression is very different.

for so long.

Elemental wasn't that long ago and it was even worse than animals getting along by acting like water people and fire people are racist from LITERALLY not wanting to immediately die upon contact from their universal chemistry-whatever opposite.

They were just the wrong kind of white.

You're trying to talk about ethnicity without saying the word "ethnic" which I think just illustrates the requirement of being white means sacrificing your group identity.

The movie never answers what the meat eaters are eating.

The movie never realised they needed small cops to patrol the tiny town.
The movie never realised it's actually Mammaltopia since we never see any reptile or bird or anything else there.

Zootopia wanted to make a movie about people, but used animals in a world where them being animals was integral to the society they live in. It's not like the furry Robin Hood where they're animals but that doesn't really matter to the story. Humans aren't the same as animals. The story is trying to convince you that everyone's the same while bombarding you with constant jokes and evidence about how they really aren't. Like, even if the message had been intended to be "everyone's got something they're good at so people can approach problems from different perspectives", it would have fit the animal theme better. But they had to make the predator vs prey thing the main crux of the plot, which draws waaaaay too much thought to the clumsy race metaphor. This just wasn't the movie for it.

Honestly, I'm not even saying a race metaphor is necessarily a bad thing, but using creatures that have fundamental, hard-coded differences in physiology to convey that gets real weird real fast. This isn't a woke/anti-woke take, it's just a fundamentally bad way to get this point across.

Seriously, if they had left out the predator/prey shit and Judy was looked down upon for being small rather than being a herbivore, the movie would lose 90% of the race allegory shit. Change it so that only big animals are getting hit with the berserk plant and the sheep's reasoning would still fit, she wants to make a society safe for small animals.

Zootopia could never.

Cats Dont Dance really is the Garth Marenghi of animal movies.

Underappreciated genius that will be proven prophetic when the end of times come.

Why? Retards on Anon Babble would have made it about race anywah.

Brainlet take. Ant-racism is "everyone is treated exactly the same regardless of their abilities". Zootopia is straight up race realism: everyone finds their niche they were born into, and generally contributes to society at large and their social group based on that niche, with a few outliers. But it's also shitty to assume that every individual matches the standard. Treat individuals without (too much) prejudice, and groups based on their averages.

racial segregation is good

Literally not a theme, plot point, or issue the movie was addressing at any point, retard.

That pic

I know what you’re doing bunny fucker

segregation is part of racism, retard.

But the entire point is that the discrimination is entirely artificial.
You're working from a backward position that the villain was making a legitimate point but that's just illogical.

Bid you just wake up from a coma? It got shat on immediately after release for being a poor allegory.

The thing is that's not "only" a racism allegory, but a general allegory for Hollywood only pushing the right kind of stars and letting any other talent rot.

The nomenclature of canid is referred to as dogs. They aren't dog dogs but they're dogs. Like how lions aren't cat cats but they're cats.

Why is that just kind of...overlooked, as a plot point?

Because it’s a joke and nothing more.

But the entire point is that the discrimination is entirely artificial.

Discrimination isn't actually artifical btw.

no shit, but the movie makes a point to say it is

there are animals who could get mice to crawl up their anuses and stimulate it from the inside

I've heard there's been breakthrough in domesticating foxes though, for some reason.

Well, at first, it was done to bed an animal better suited for the fur trade. Silver fixed make beautiful pelts but are a kick to the cunt to capture from the wild. Then, there was interest to domesticate them as a model species to exemplify the process of domestication. Basically, just to see what would happen.

Or maybe it was meant to be a cute film about animals you retarded faggot

I enjoyed the film too but you're utterly deluding yourself or didn't see the actual film if you somehow think the whole movie wasb't about racism/discrimination.

it was done to bed an animal

LMAO
Get an animal, rather.

It kinda is, especially in the context of the fucking movie we're talking about. There is no genuine predator drive which is literally the plot point that reveals the whole twist that Bellwether was masterminding the whole thing

Yeah I'm sure dirty foxfuckers.

beastars did it better

So they would rather have the trope not being used at all?
I highly doubt it.

The message wasn’t even clear, I mean are bunnies the black people they can only call other bunnies cute, but then predators are the ones people are scared of randomly attacking them.

Would you rather the wolf eat the rabbit or eat the rabbit?

The movie only has mammals as human level smarts so its likely birds and fish are still on the menu.

I would eat the wolf so there's two wolves inside of me

Giant bunny...

And then the furtopia fad died and nobody did anything like it ever again, even though both franchises were very popular.

rodent ghetto

how is this place a fucking ghetto it looks like a normal city built for rats. would have rather these small squishable creatures live in the city with elephants that'll crush them completely by accident.

Don't forget the bully fox just randomly turning over a new leaf offscreen

You never changed since you were a kid?

Explains a lot doesn't it?

Ghetto doesn't have anything to do with how nice the place is, and is just about the makeup/concentration of the people who live there.
The real question is wether Rodentia or Zootopia is the true ghetto, since there should be more rodents, making the macro fauna the true minority group.

macro fauna

Megafauna*

And moron is just a medical term about a person's mental capacity.

Little mice could construct whatever the hell kind of habitations they wanted within the little spaces around larger animals. It's just cuter to give them their own little sections.

Looks like it hasn't been a medical term since 1983, but you're right was one up till then.

There was a predator drive in the world of Zootopia, but now their appetite is satiated so they don't have any need to kill. I think the original story was going to focus on our animalistic drives with Nick making a place for predators to get out their drive to hunt. It's about repressing natural behaviors versus channeling their instincts through healthier means.

Implying real life is any different.

The sequel is going to be an immigration story with Gary the snake coming to Zootopia to make a case as for why they should let in Reptiles.
Then the third movie will introduce birds

Agree. Needs more walls, barbed wire, wanton executions, and arm band markers for the inhabitants

yeah this idea never worked because real world racism is silly because fundamentally we're all slightly different looking versions of the same template where as being scared of predators and mutants is just a natural response. Predators eat other animals and mutants even if they're not malicious threaten people around them with their powers

The anime Brand New Animal also really fucks up its own message. By the second to last episode you learn the humans were 100% right to exclude the Beastmen because they can go feral and kill anything near them when stressed.

Yeah. How is it a "ghetto" anyways. I know it doesnt just mean shitty neighborhood, but ghetto doesnt fit it.

I didn't pick up on any message. I was too fixated on Judy's erotic bunny physique and bedroom eyes

It's an ethnically exclusive part of town, where seemingly only one group is allowed/forced to live.
But brings up a good point. If the rodents are the actual majority, it would make Little Rodentia a gated community instead.

A “ghetto” implies that the folks living there were forced to by their neighbors because they weren’t welcome outside it. Little Rodentia was inhabited by choice, so it’s not a ghetto.

Of course, you could always have some Zootopian political radical claim that the little rodents were being forced to live there due to “stochastic sizism” or some such nonsense. That actually would not be out of character for the setting.

No the conclusion is fucked. But the reasoning makes sense. The fictional animals are used to be representations of differences between real humans. The message is suppose to be that people with differences should get along. For humans, most of our differences can be ignored, but there are also differences that can't. Certain religious groups can have difficulty living together and if two groups lay claim to one territory there can be problems. Some cultures mesh well together and some don't.
Zootopia is fiction, but even in the movie itself, it shows that not everyone can be equal and there are extreme differences between species. It's not as simple as humans with different cultures, but animals of different species. Zootopia doesn't even delve into the cultural differences which would complicate things more. How would animals native to their equivalent to East Africa get along with animals from West Africa? Central Asia with Madagascar? In a simple fairy tale where forest animals get along, it can be simplified, but even then using animals can only get you so far. If they were all furries of the same size it wouldnt matter, but with such extreme size difference it makes things fucked.

Some people are a bit too obsessed with supposed stereotypes of "feral" behavior and stuff. Wild animals can be as calm as any person, just depends on their own mood.
Think its more down to bad writing, usually that they have to create some sort of conflict to define the climax with or some shit. Relying on that kind of stereotype is just the easiest or laziest way to do it.

OP's pic is showing OBJECTIVE differences between groups of people.
There are people who do not like objective truth that people are different.

Judy does not come off all that great in this movie.

Blackmails Nick into helping her, forces him to break laws

Illegally searches a car

Uses mafia connections to force confessions out of people

Uses connections to steal personal information from DMV

Makes some really racist statements on tv and incites racism across the town

>Makes some really racist statements on tv and incites racism across the town

Well to play devil's advocate, that was at least shown in a negative light. The other things, well it's her duty to be corrupt on her first day.

This.

OP's pic is also showing that we are still equal even with those differences.

I like his people overthink such a simple story and allegory to the point they think they are outwitting it when they are just being to stupid to comprehend a prejudice bad story being told to kids in a universal way as the lense of anthro animals. Though who knows maybe it'd worked better if it was a fur and scales thing as opposed to a prey and predator thing

It had a message?

Funnily, the movie makes a lot more sense when viewed as an allegory for sexual discrimination.
They even made almost all the predators male.

Possum Reviews is full of shit.

I wanna eat Judy's big donut

Amerisharts when obvious differences between a species exist

The goblin turned on the stove to heat up the iron poker so it could shove it into the guy he killed with it.

Some of it is because of how she was not even given access to the tools she needed for the investigation.
Getting a warrant for the car would probably have been easy if she was in the system and the Chief wasn't being an ass, and that turned out to be more of a misunderstanding, so talking more calmly to Mr. Big might have revealed the truth without all the drama. There's a slight plot hole there in that Mr. Big didn't appear to investigate that incident further himself. An otter wanted to warn him about something but instead went nuts on his driver and disappeared? Would be something he should have his own boys be looking in to. Almost the stuff of gang wars, not that we know of any other groups.

we are still equal even with those differences.

equal even with those differences

differences

Nah. But people can treat each other equally/fairly (or try to). Nobody is equal, but we can try to be fair.

fur and scales thing

Well to be a shitflinging autist, I know that reptile brains are different than mammals. It wouldn't fix it. Perhaps making them all furries of only slightly different sizes would work. Shortstack mice, tall giraffes, etc.
Humans can range from 4-7ft, but we usually have a bell curve of average heights. And we accommodate for certain heights, like more leg room for taller people, as well as discriminate, like rollercoaster height requirements/limits.

this guy gets it

the lack of police officers small enough to function in that part of town has allowed crime to flourish there. hence why the mob boss is a shrew.

Swallow both rabbits whole then have sex in his gut

Another liberal whackiness I don't get is they want to glorify equality but their ranks are filled with women. Women hate equality, they don't want a man who is equal to other men, they want one who is better. They are constantly judging and evaluating people's ups and downs.

But people can treat each other equally/fairly

That's what I meant when I say we're all equal.
What's so hard about just saying we're equal?

Being equal and being treated equal is not the same thing.
You can have a short and a tall person and treat both of them as if they're the same height, but that does not make them the same height.

What will the chameleon secret police be doing?

Human races didnt want to live together either.
Multiculturalism was never voted for. It was forced upon us.

Blah blah blah racism bad blah blah

Who cares as long as my husband gets more screentime

I think it's funny how the racist fantasy people of Metaphor Refantazio are convinced there wouldn't be any racism if everyone were the same species

Their own rodent ghettos

OH NO THE HORROR!
THE SHREWS AND MICE HAVE TO EAT ONLY AT CAFES MADE FOR THEIR SIZE SO THEY DON'T GET CRUSHED UPON!

Indeed. Me, I hope Gazelle is in the sequel

Uh both those guys are famously right wing douchebags.

I get the impression Possum is a right-winger,but he doesn't strike me as the conspiratorial type

Basically it's another movie where the woman lead is in the wrong many times, but other people are stupid strawmen and "make" her have to do it because no one wants to help her so it's ok.

The design that went into this guy had to be deliberate, right?

Did you just call a dingo a dhole?

That's always been my impression. He's right wing and opinionated but it mostly seems to manifest in "this guy's shadier than hunter biden" hack. Which, personally, I think is below him. When he stays away from politics he's just fine, funny even.

... I'm also amazed he's even well known enough to warrant discussion here. I'm not sure whether to be happy for him or worried for him. This kind of scrutiny doesn't tend to do good things for people.

Nah, blob fur fuckers just have such low standards that anyone can stumble their way into a design they're down for.

A fat cheetah. No shit.

It's a gag, Clawhauser being cute and plushy was a happy accident

people are different both require and desire different things out of life

reeeeeeeeeee

How do these people function. You can see reality and either be racist or anti-racist (I suppose) but denying reality is some retard shit.

The notion is two fold. First is anthropomorphisation is generally appealing to the human mind because animals are 1 dimensional and symbolic so we use them to decode the 'truths' of reality - like making natural elements and phenomena animals in totemic mysticism. You can 'understand' racism if it's predator and prey.
The second is because projection of sapience on to the animal kingdom is a tool used to express the virtue of sapience by contrasting with the irrevocable barbarism of animals. Animals would NEED to be predator and prey or compete with each other if they could achieve utopic ideals i.e the internal human struggle between human nature and ideal projected on to something simplistic.

The issue, as you can see, is that when using such simple and direct allegory the colour blind 'one race; the human race =)' narrative is easily refuted. You are either forced to accept the differences and see sapience as a tool to balance the scales as best you can for each member regardless of ubiquity or utility OR you see the oppression of predator and prey alike as they are denied their function and their ultimate happiness in service of an imaginary idyllic utopia that pleases only a theoretical 'every animal' that has never and will never exist as all its client demographics sublimate themselves to the 'system' in self-denial and subservience.

One answer requires a system so large and powerful that we can't actualize it yet and the other demands conflict. Most modern people refuse to imagine there's still work to be done or no respite to their misery.

It's an ethnically exclusive part of town

Little Rodentia a gated community

none of this makes sense. other species literally can not live there. the houses and shops are tiny because mice live there, an elephant can't live there cause they physically can't! "I'm a fat fuck that wants to live in a one bedroom mouse apartment but the mice told me I can't! fucking segregating assholes!"

That is why Little Rodentia needs to build apartments that are handycapable for mega fauna.
I don't see any ramps for the pinnipeds.

Mutts being able to understand tensions between groups of people by thinking just about black and white people

It's just the never-ending need to force human thought and morality onto everything else and how it functions.

continuing

predator/prey allegory applies as well to all sort of aggressor/victim of aggression relationship between nations. And guess what, in Europe, those roles often were switching through the history
Either way, Europeans have realized we are better off trading between ourselves than when killing one another. But the shared tensions and resentment remains
Zootopia allegory works when you reach the level of maturity that allows you to see that your people could be casted as well as predators as preys.

Still happens in pretty recent history, what was it the Bosnian War and shit.
Some peoples are just obsessed with seeing others as both all powerful illuminati giving them erectile dysfunction, and also useless vagrants that cannot contribute anything to society at all, therefore they must be exterminated.
Well, any further discussion on the point just starts to become as mad as the conflicts themselves. There's no justified reasoning behind it, they just like to kill.