I totally need to trust you on things you never gave a fuck about

I mean so was Zuko. It's literally how he got the job. Betrayal and back stabbing seem like just something fire nation nobels are accustomed to. Someone has to break that chain and Zuko is that guy even it means taking some L's. His willingness to forgive and try to move forward is what sets him a part from past fire lords. Also Zuko has a few months on Mai caring about this stuff, he was a willing participant in systems like that school untill a few years ago. Plus I doubt there are many fire nation nobels willing to help Zuko reform things at this point. Beggars can't be choosers.

He should have fucking got with Jin

It isn't Show Mai's fault that Comic Mai is

Zuko probably doesn't want his life to revolve around chasing one person across the globe to ensure his claim to the throne is safe. He kind of did that already. Plus running a country while simultaneously trying to reform it is probably takes a bit of time. Rounding up his whackadoo sister is probably something delegation worthy
Probably something for the kyoshi warriors could handle, hell.mayne Aang would do Zuko a solid and keep an eye out for while he's Avataring around the world.

I love this piece of shit. Wish it had gotten that sequel, I wanted to see what Diaz would trace/photoshop next.

and whether it actually takes the effort to fix Yang's fuck ups

It won't

with their relationship or just skips to them being together again

I'm never reading that shit but I hope for Zuko's sake they never get back together.

No, go fuck yourself. There's a difference between breaking muh cycle of violence and bending over backwards for some dumb cunt, that's Korra logic.

This, she's one woman. She could be the most powerful bender in the world (and she isn't, Iroh exists) and he's got better shit to do. If anything, Azula starting shit again should be something Aang takes care of given he can just remove bending now.

I would prefer this being the actual official comic desu

The Official comics would never be bold enough to include a plot point like The Abortion Orange

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The official comics have some fucking nerve trying to basically reset Azula to factory condition after running out of ideas on what to do with her, I tell you hwat

Diaz at least just threw her hands up and said 'Amnesia, fuck it she's good now'
The last two issues of HIBY even show some actual potential, with political intrigue and esoteric fuckery instead of endless YA shit and pictures of anime conventions as a stand in for party guests at a fancy ball.
Still not great, but at least entertaining.

So I just finished Ashes of the Academy, I liked it. Zuko is barely in it, most of the story is about Mai and her realizing how traumatizing her childhood at the academy really was. It does a decent job of giving Mai some depth that doesn't revolve around Zuko. She likes being a teacher in the end. Zuko cucks probably won't find much to like here though.

Also It's obvious they're setting Azula up to be the big bad of whatever storyline they're weaving through these books. Her presence looms large throughout the story even though she never makes an appearance outside of flashbacks and the dai lee have apparently stuck around and are waiting for her return to retake the throne from Zuko and also supporting any fire nation nobels loyal to Azul. Ty Lee has so been put in charge of tracking her down.

8/10. Nothing great but decent character development for Mai.

Mai does not deserve character development.

defending this fucking dreck on Anon Babble of all places

The shilling campaign really must be desperate.

Well she got it and honestly it's kind of cute seeing her take to teaching so well. Then again I don't have an autistic hate boner for her and I don't really care if she gets back with Zuko so I may be biased.

comic goes out of it's way to villainize Mai

she still comes out of it looking 100 times more sympathetic than either Zuko or Katara do (as little as that days, admittedly)

To this day I have no clue if WIBY was a genuine Zutara fic that accidentally made both of them unlikeable and unsympathetic cunts, or if it was a deliberate dig at the melodramatic, character assassinating Zutara stories all over FF.net

I mean, as a framework for a story it's got a lot going for it.

King of a nation newly at peace has an affair with the head of state of a former enemy nation

Queen takes drastic measures to avert a civil war

King's traitorous sister reappears and there are questions over her loyalty and motives

These are all solid plot beats if it wasn't for the execution being what it was.
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Giving Azula amnesia so she is nothing like her canon character was an odd choice. It loses the whole point of the character if she's just going to cry and apologize for stuff she doesn't remember.

Much of the story felt like I was reading a graphic novel adaptation of some bad telenovela.

That makes a lot of sense, given the obvious Spanish influences in things like outfits and backgrounds.

And 'Diaz'

Funnily enough, I once read a shorter rewrite of it reframing it from Mai's perspective, and it comes off more like a borderline Shakespearian tragedy in that context

there's people that are actually reading these?

I don't know why the comics are bending over backwards to "redeem" Mai TL and Azula. This obsession with redeeming characters is heavily cringe. These women are by definition war criminals and murderers. They are not uwu little children. Zuko's redemption arc worked because he suffered horrific consequences for his actions. Mai just struts away without so much as a slap on the wrist? And having her run the school is just nepotism, it isn't a win. The comics are like really bad fanfiction.

Zuki supremacy. Mai is toxic and their relationship was always a joke. "haha slap the two goth kids together lolollol." Then other writers have to spin their wheels trying to justify this as a serious relationship while the readers are groaning.

They were 16. It's okay to break up permanently and end up dating other people. That applies to all of them. It's ridiculous to force a 12 year old into a relationship to begin with.

has more chemistry with Zuko in one short--not even a full episode, just one section of an episode--than Mai in 3 books and numerous comics

Even Song would have been better than Mai. Bryke should never have touched relationships, they made the worst choices every time. Just leave shipping to the fans.

Fuck off slop spammer

it won't

Yup. Gene was just the fall guy for whatever script Bryke served him. the comics are still dogshit >I hope for Zuko's sake they never get back together.
Agreed. There is nothing salvage at this point, especially when even fans would prefer anyone else

ynr avatar has spend more time releasing stuff like this instead of being good
just like star wars

Did you really think the person responsible for picrel would think these things through?

I don't think the problem is with FEH tho. She has to maintain continuity with the Yang comics and whatever plans Avatar Studios has.

Rounding up his whackadoo sister is probably something delegation worthy

Probably something for the kyoshi warriors could handle, hell.mayne Aang would do Zuko a solid and keep an eye out for while he's Avataring around the world.

This, she's one woman. She could be the most powerful bender in the world (and she isn't, Iroh exists) and he's got better shit to do. If anything, Azula starting shit again should be something Aang takes care of given he can just remove bending now.

Azula has already proven that she can not only walk into the palace whenever she feels like it, but also kill anyone she wants at anytime. Not to mention she has constantly been committing acts of domestic terrorist. Also, as of current canon, she is the strongest firebender since Zuko can't generate dragon fire on demand. The Roku novel massively upscaled her blue fire and she is capable of lightning generation feats no else can do, and she knows redirection and smokebending if it is still a thing. Aang isn't the trump card you think he would be considering two of Azula's asylum henchwomen managed to knock him down and could have killed him if not them not being diehard Azula loyalists. She isn't just some whackadoo or a minor problem he can delegate to someone else. She is the problem, especially considering

Then other writers have to spin their wheels trying to justify this as a serious relationship while the readers are groaning.

And all they can come up with is having a walking plot device like zuko's half sister being Mai's wingman. A literal child.

Last I check, Ty Lee has no real redemption attempt made and the only one given to Mai is the attempts at rectifying Yang's earlier fuck ups regarding her and her relationship with Zuko.
Unlike Azula, who was knowingly and willingly complicit in the atrocities the FN committed, or Zuko, who wanted to comply but his morals and increasing experience turned him away from it, Ty Lee and Mai never really came off to me as people needing redemption since they were never really evil or cruel, just people born on the wrong side like On Ji/the other headband students. The two never got involved in any of the war crime (unless you count Mai being in Omashu when her dad got promoted to being in charge of it when the city was conquered, which I don't) until Azula, the princess of their country who they always seem to walk on eggshells around, showed up and dragged them back into it. And hell, the show itself showed that when the chips were down, they ultimately chose what really mattered to them, in Mai's case, love for Zuko over fear of Azula, and Ty Lee, her genuine friendship with Mai over the fake/strained on with Azula, which I personally think was enough
I do agree that Azula shouldn't get redeemed

Aang should have taken Azula's bending away, shrimple as. Anything else is retardation. I hate the modern audience and their "waah azula is a victim" simpery. She's a murderous bitch.

She has to maintain continuity with the Yang comics and whatever plans Avatar Studios has.

Yang's comics have nothing to do with picrel. I think the problem is and has always been Bryke and the 2-3 lesser writers that stuck with them in korra. Tim hendrick co-wrote/supervised that iroh comic, confirming he was definitely not one of the important pieces of the atla writing team. in short, blaming gene for the current affairs of the comics and giving FEH a pass is shortsided

since they were never really evil or cruel

They have committed actual war crimes. Disguising themselves as Kyoshi Warriors to sneak in and coup Ba Sing Se is by definition a war crime. It was a kid's show so they couldn't show or specify death, but in reality their actions would have meant killing people. They imprisoned all the Kyoshi Warriors and sent them off to get raped in horrific prisons, they sieged BSS with the drill which would have resulted in a mass casualty event, they assaulted the gaang and attempted to murder literal children. They aren't good people, they are terrorists.

Which is fine for their role in the show. Someone needs to be the antagonist. But all this wuwu shit with "oh they aren't bad people" is ridiculous. And the same people who simp for them will spin around and decry Iroh as a monster and an abuser.

Between the comics bending over backwards for them and the simp attack army in the fanbase running harassment campaigns on anyone who doesn't think Azula et al are sweet innocent meow meow angels, I really am starting to hate those 3. After the show ended they should have never been heard from again. I hate that the comics INSIST on shoving them in our faces.

The two never got involved in any of the war crime (unless you count Mai being in Omashu when her dad got promoted to being in charge of it when the city was conquered, which I don't) until Azula, the princess of their country who they always seem to walk on eggshells around, showed up and dragged them back into it.

"I was just following orders" doesn't fly when you were complicit in a coup de tat on the last free city in a 100 year war. And in Mai's case, as far as the show is concerned, she complied out of boredom in "return to omashu"

It's obvious they're setting Azula up to be the big bad of whatever storyline they're weaving through these books. Her presence looms large throughout the story even though she never makes an appearance outside of flashbacks and the dai lee have apparently stuck around and are waiting for her return to retake the throne from Zuko and also supporting any fire nation nobels loyal to Azul. Ty Lee has so been put in charge of tracking her down.

You know, I'm not actually opposed to this direction for Azula. It makes that Azula still has a sizable amount of loyalists and that if she escaped Zuko's custody with her bending intact and regained her sanity she would lead a civil war. It's just sucks that the set up for it has been bungled to hell and none of the implications will be addressed. Why didn't Zuko, Aang, and Kuei make it a priority to capture the Dai Li that were banished by Azula? Why was the fact that the Dai Li are still at large never mentioned in any of previous comics, which take place over several years after the end of the war? Will the comics or a movie/show ever hold Zuko or Aang culpable for allowing Azula to wage a civil war by not removing her bending or agreeing to her terms for the search for Ursa? Especially Zuko since part of his redemption arc was learning that there are more important things that having a "happy", intact family?

Also, why is Ty Lee in charge of recapturing Azula? Beyond the fact that she isn't a part of Zuko's government anymore, isn't she way too weak to take Azula on in a fight and risks getting herself killed? No one knows that Azula holds back out of lingering care for Ty Lee.

True but he's very much still at least partially responsible for the stuff in earlier comics

Aang having to contemplate killing Zuko for far less than what Ozai, who he spared, did, practically spitting in the face of the climax of the show and Aang as a character for him even remotely considering doing this

The Maiko breakup done for no reason other than bad drama, since literally everyone with half a brain knows it won't be permanent and they'll get back together eventually and only resulted in assassinating both their characters

Turning Ursa from an imperialist noblewoman who still cared enough for her children that she probably murdered the man who wanted Zuko killed and ran into exile to keep him safe into stereotypical arranged marriage/DV victim to make her look innocent but only makes her look worse when she deliberately put doubt into Zuko's paternity (an action that would have certainly gotten both him and Azula killed had Azulon discovered it) and (after specifically telling Zuko not to forget who he is) has her memories of those children she claims to care about erased so she can start a new family with another man, with a conveniently not insane daughter to replace the one she failed)

And that's just the stuff I could recall, there's no no doubt more, and all of it came from Yang's run

Because the creators didn't take a dump on Aang elsewhere am i rite?

Because maiko in the show itself wasn't dysfunctional and having multiple breakups for large parts of it at the creators helm?

because the creators have never spat on previous characters depictions before? like what they did with toph and katara in korra clearly didn't happen...

If you think these problems started with gene, you haven't been paying attention. Guess who names are front in center on all of Gene's comics in the credits.... Gene is as "partially responsible" for the comic slop as FEH is now, which is to say they're both just working the garbage Bryke's scripts were serving them.

I don't know why the comics are bending over backwards to "redeem" Mai TL and Azula.

Beyond the fact that the show redeems Mai and Ty Lee by having them turn on Azula, even though they did so solely for personal reasons, Mai is obviously Izumi's mother. This means that she at some point becomes Zuko's wife and Fire Lady. Hence them trying to make her more palpable and sweeping under the rug her acts of treason. On the hand, I don't know why you think the comics are trying to redeem her. Its seems pretty clear that they are setting her up to be one of the main villains, if the not the main villain, of the post-war era by making it clear she is irredeemable. The only ambiguity is whether is she irredeemable by nature or by choice.

They imprisoned all the Kyoshi Warriors and sent them off to get raped in horrific prisons

Suki, Alone does confirm that the Fire Nation does torture its POWs, at least in the Boiling Rock, but they only starve them. There is no indication in the comic or the rest of the lore that the Fire Nation committed sexual crimes even though it would be sense due to, like you said, it being a kid's show.

But all this wuwu shit with "oh they aren't bad people" is ridiculous.

The uWuification of Ozai's angels is annoying, though predictable. People aren't capable of handling morally grey or straight up evil characters anymore, probably in part due to the rise of stan culture. At best causes fans to sand over their favorite characters' flaws and defects, and at worst it causes creators to do the same as well, like in the case of Iroh and Lu Ten.

Why didn't Zuko, Aang, and Kuei make it a priority to capture the Dai Li that were banished by Azula? Why was the fact that the Dai Li are still at large never mentioned in any of previous comics, which take place over several years after the end of the war?

Since them being banished by Azula happened the same night she and Ozai were taken down, it's pretty safe to assume they (either voluntarily or otherwise) returned to the EK and were probably already either arrested and the Dai Li organization dismantled

Beyond the fact that she isn't a part of Zuko's government anymore,

Umm, she's still very much a FN citizen, anon. Joining the Kyoshi Warriors doesn't mean she rescinded her FN citizenship

"slop"

when it's clearly not AI

they are setting her up to be one of the main villains, if the not the main villain, of the post-war era by making it clear she is irredeemable.

What comics are you reading?

prison

If it had game of thrones' rating they would be getting raped, but if nothing else they're being starved, tortured, and beaten.

stan culture

agreed. Azula stans are particularly obnoxious. I guess teenage cunts with an iphone their daddy bought them are spending all day online stanning the entitled bitch they identify with. Funny the moral of the show was supposed to be "don't like Azula" and now whores are going "oh she's literally me. now change the series and fan culture to put azula on top and glaze her constantly and excuse all her shitty actions as being an "abuse victim". Zuko? Who is that? Ew, male. Everyone knows males can't be victims."

Mai is obviously Izumi's mother. This means that she at some point becomes Zuko's wife and Fire Lady. Hence them trying to make her more palpable and sweeping under the rug her acts of treason.

So they're committing to a failed dynamic because they wrote themselves into a corner, despite having options to pivot as the identity of Izumi's mom hasn't been confirmed in cannon yet. Gotcha

Newfag thinks the term slop has to mean AI

And even if she is Izumi's mom, so what. all that means is that they had a hookup. Mai doesn't even seem like the type into marriage and children, it doesn't fit her personality.

It was a perfectly fine, if unremarkable, dynamic in the show. It's only 'failed' because of the retarded decisions made in the comics, which if anon is at all correct they're attempting to rectify
Also

the identity of Izumi's mom hasn't been confirmed in cannon yet

That's only true in that they haven't flat out said it but come on! Even when you ignore the fact that she's quite literally the only option that makes sense, and it being some random lady we never met before is unsatisfying and a copout, Izumi looks almost exactly like Mai and her mother

the only option that makes sense

So the only people you can ever possibly be in a relationship with are the same handful of people you knew by age 18? That's ridiculous.

Aang should have taken Azula's bending away, shrimple as. Anything else is retardation. I hate the modern audience and their "waah azula is a victim" simpery. She's a murderous bitch.

Aang should have removed Azula's bending and then Zuko should have executed Azula and Ozai or the White Lotus should have made sure that Azula and Ozai had an "accident". Allowing Azula and Ozai to live at all allows them to serve as rallying figures for those still loyal to the old ways. Even if their executions would lead to an uprising that would have to be put down with force, it's better than the alternative. There's a reason why regimes changes often result in the previous rulers and their allies' deaths. In fact, the Kyoshi novels all but say that disposed Fire Lords then to not live long after they are disposed because the new Fire Lord or their allies kill them to prevent a counter coup or regime change.

Yang's comics have nothing to do with picrel. I think the problem is and has always been Bryke and the 2-3 lesser writers that stuck with them in korra. Tim hendrick co-wrote/supervised that iroh comic, confirming he was definitely not one of the important pieces of the atla writing team. in short, blaming gene for the current affairs of the comics and giving FEH a pass is shortsided

Yeah the Yang comics have nothing to do with picrel. But it doesn't change the fact that FEH is stuck having to build upon Yang's shoddy character and world building as explained here

Makes sense from a narrative, character, and design perspective
They're not real people, they're fictional characters from a kids show, so yeah, there is that expectation. I literally said

and it being some random lady we never met before is unsatisfying and a copout

If you think these problems started with gene, you haven't been paying attention. Guess who names are front in center on all of Gene's comics in the credits.... Gene is as "partially responsible" for the comic slop as FEH is now, which is to say they're both just working the garbage Bryke's scripts were serving them.

I am waiting for the Aang movie to make a final judgment on Bryke. But it seems more and more like they are like George Lucas in that they have a strong artistic vision and are competent show runners/directors, but need strong writers/editors to corral them.

>they are setting her up to be one of the main villains, if the not the main villain, of the post-war era by making it clear she is irredeemable.

What comics are you reading?

My bad for the typo, but I was referring to Azula, not Mai. Also, notwithstanding the cookbook, its seems pretty obvious they are trying to make her a main post-war villain, if the not the main villain. Why do you think they keep buffing her, even when it doesn't make sense?

it was not perfectly fine IMO, and admitting that it was unremarkable makes one question why insist on it. They're attempt to rectify the comic plots here is essentially placing all the blame on zuko while ignoring Mai's complicity in treason. it's the worse aspects of their show dynamic on cocaine.

she's quite literally the only option that makes sense

suki, jin, hell even song exists

and it being some random lady we never met before is unsatisfying and a copout,

why not? developing new satisfying love interests have been done since forever

she looks like mai

She looks like a mix of a bunch of fn characters, and looks in general mean nothing when bumi ii looks like nobody. There is no real reason to commit to any of this that isn't "well she has to be izumi's mom"

having to build upon Yang's shoddy character and world building

see

not that I mind anon but..
why are you always posting this particular artwork of Mai over and over again?

This 100%
I know most anons here like to downplay Bryke and raise Ehasz as the person who really made Avatar the success it was, but the truth is Bryke has just as much credit for the shows success as anyone else involved.
It is the Star Wars parallel. ATLA is the original trilogy. All ran by the man/men in charge (Lucas with Star Wars and Bryke with Avatar) and had the help of other talented writers and directors to help them push their good ideas and say no to their bad/mediocre ideas. Korra is the Prequels in that those men in charge of the originals had complete control of the next step of the project (albeit with Bryke there was some restrictions with Nick not granting them four seasons at once, which doesn't totally absolve them of their screw ups in LOK) and rather than bringing back the rest of the old guard or finding new talent writers to help them make it great, they surrounded themselves with yes men who didn't tell them no to bad ideas. The end result was a more messy product that didn't quite live up to it's predecessor, and while both have fans and quite a number of good stuff to show for their efforts and to be considered out and out bad, neither can be considered 100% good either (though in the Prequels case, it benefitted from having a good story and characters to where people can overlook the mediocre execution to still appreciate, plus expanding media like the Clone Wars helping boost it's rep)
The live action netflix series is probably the closest analog to the sequels since it's a series based on the original and is very derivative of said original with little to no input from the original creatives and is widely considered to be vastly inferior to most of what came before

The entirety of korra wasn't enough to make it obvious that they need tard wranglers? Even comparing them to George Lucas is being generous

>prison

If it had game of thrones' rating they would be getting raped, but if nothing else they're being starved, tortured, and beaten.

Agreed.

So they're committing to a failed dynamic because they wrote themselves into a corner, despite having options to pivot as the identity of Izumi's mom hasn't been confirmed in cannon yet. Gotcha

They already wrote themselves into a corner when they made Izumi strongly resemble Mai and Michi.

Since them being banished by Azula happened the same night she and Ozai were taken down, it's pretty safe to assume they (either voluntarily or otherwise) returned to the EK and were probably already either arrested and the Dai Li organization dismantled

This is what I thought too. But that is apparently not the case as anon explains.

Because it's easily my favorite Mai piece I've gotten so far and I'm an assman and it's a very nice ass

Azula stans are particularly obnoxious. I guess teenage cunts with an iphone their daddy bought them are spending all day online stanning the entitled bitch they identify with. Funny the moral of the show was supposed to be "don't like Azula" and now whores are going "oh she's literally me. now change the series and fan culture to put azula on top and glaze her constantly and excuse all her shitty actions as being an "abuse victim". Zuko? Who is that? Ew, male. Everyone knows males can't be victims."

But they are not all teenagers girls tho. A lot of them are grown men and women in relationships with some of them having kids as well. But I agree some of them can be obnoxious. For example, them saying that Iroh has beef with Azula and failed her when he told Zuko she's crazy and needs to go down. Even if the EU supports the idea that Iroh dislikes Azula in part because he sees the worst parts of himself in her, he said that Zuko after she tried imprisoning and killing several times and is meant to be taken as him saying that as long as she and Ozai are in power and she is in Ozai's care, there is no way they can reason with her. So they have to fight her with no hesitation or else they'll end up dead or worse. The post-war comics, for all their faults, has him convince Aang to take her on the search for Ursa on her terms since it might bring her peace.

I know most anons here like to downplay Bryke and raise Ehasz as the person who really made Avatar the success it was

You dont go to these threads often do you? the concensus has been that ATLA was lightning in the bottle with the right group people working on it. all of the works after everyone split from each other dont stack up to ATLA, and are times horrible in their own ways

And the same people who simp for them will spin around and decry Iroh as a monster and an abuser.

I mean, aren't you just doing the reverse? Personally I don't think it's worth it to get twisted up about whether these Fire Nation characters deserve to get away with what they did. This just wasn't the sort of conflict where justice is the end goal, but rather ending the war and restoring peace. The best that can be done is letting Zuko purge the ranks to whatever degree satisfies him and helps him maintain his authority so that he can maintain the peace on his end.

The live action netflix series is probably the closest analog to the sequels since it's a series based on the original and is very derivative of said original with little to no input from the original creatives and is widely considered to be vastly inferior to most of what came before

It's literally just a retelling in a different format. You're stretching quite a bit to make this star wars analogy work.

The Dai Li were probably just lost in all the post war chaos. They're good at being spies and moving through crowds without being noticed. The second they caught wind of Ozai and Azula's downfall they probably immediately went into hiding and blended into the fire nation. They're probably just really hard to find

why is Ty Lee in charge of recapturing Azula

Probably because she knows Azula better than most and knows how Azula operates on the road when she doesn't want to noticed. I'm guessing Ty Lee is mostly there to give the Kyoshi warriors pointers to the places Azula would be familiar with or would be attracted to for hiding.

I'm an assman

i can see that lol
not many artworks showcasing this however

This just wasn't the sort of conflict where justice is the end goal, but rather ending the war and restoring peace.

But peace won't hold if the Water Tribes and the Earth Kingdom don't feel that sufficient justice is had, or at least not without Aang wielding his power like stick, which he doesn't in canon. For an IRL example, even though most Nazis got away with their crimes and got hold positions of power in Germany and other countries like the US, the allies still held the Nuremberg Trials and convinced high-ranking Nazi officials. And the only reason why Japan got away with its crimes is because the US was interested in building up an ally against Russia/communism than punishing them. And even then, the US imposed democracy on them, turned the Emperor into a figurehead, and made them demilitarize. The Fire Nation sans Azula and Ozai essentially getting away with everything, especially after the Treaty of Yu Dao, is liable to cause Watertribesmen and Earth Kingdoms to go on a terrorist spree, if not agitate for war.
I saw and responded to it here .

The entirety of korra wasn't enough to make it obvious that they need tard wranglers?

Eh. I give them the benefit of the doubt considering Korra's troubled production.

Even comparing them to George Lucas is being generous

They are the creators of ATLA, which is widely considered one of the best animated works in Western canon. They might not be on Lucas's level, but it is not egregious to compare them to him.

The live action netflix series is probably the closest analog to the sequels

No point in making this stretch when we're gonna be getting another actual series soon enough and it sounds like it's gonna be dedicated to shitting on everything the previous two series' characters had accomplished like the SW sequels did.

rather than bring back the old guard

tim hendrick and the other dude that wrote great episodes such as the cave of two lovers did come back for Korra though

why insist on it

Because after all that went on in the show, why not let them just be together? They're clearly happy together, and even in the comics that stupidly broke them up it's clear they still want to be together

Jin or Song

Considering he's known both of them for only a couple days collectively at most, I doubt he even remembers them completely, or at least enough to where he'd go out of his way to track them down to marry, and even if he did, do you really think he'd risk his already shaky and strenuous rule on pissing off the nobility by marrying a peasant from another nation? Even the stupid and OOC How I Became Yours understood that. Also, you yourself said Izumi's clearly a mix of Fire Nation, and there's clearly no trace of Earth Kingdom in there.

Suki

She's still with Sokka with no indication that it'll change anytime soon. While her and Zuko's relationship definitely improved since Warriors, I sincerely doubt it'd be enough to where she' voluntarily wed the guy, especially since, again, she's still with Sokka. Also, like we both said, Izumi's got no Earth Kingdom in her anyways

why not?

Because one of the shows most pivotal moments, the climax of the Boiling Rock, hinges on Mai's love for Zuko, and is paid off at the end of the show by them getting back to and seemingly sticking together. Revealing he got hitched to some random lady we've never met undercuts all of that. It'd be like in the prequels where Anakin and Padme have all these moments together, only for it to be revealed at the end that Luke and Leia's mother was someone else, or if you want a Anon Babble related example Paul

great episodes such as the cave of two lovers

KEK, i rest my case

> Beyond the fact that she isn't a part of Zuko's government anymore,

Umm, she's still very much a FN citizen, anon. Joining the Kyoshi Warriors doesn't mean she rescinded her FN citizenship

True. But why would Zuko delegate the task of recapturing the most dangerous terrorist in the world to a civilian, albeit one that has military experience, highly-trained, and knows the terrorist very well, instead of delegating to the people in charge of the military and/or police?

Probably because she knows Azula better than most and knows how Azula operates on the road when she doesn't want to noticed. I'm guessing Ty Lee is mostly there to give the Kyoshi warriors pointers to the places Azula would be familiar with or would be attracted to for hiding.

As far as Azula's solo comic implies, Ty Lee hunts for Azula in her spare time, only getting help from whatever local forces she finds in the areas she finds Azula. Also, what good is finding Azula if you don't have the means to capture her, or worse, or at a very high risk of getting killed by her?

Maybe it's just that all the threads I've usually seen tend to have more Bryke bashing and Ehasz praising then lighting in bottle posting
I know, that's why I said it's the closest analogy
Considering what everyone already suspects is gonna be the big reveal when it comes to Korra and the calamity, I very much doubt it'll be trying to shit on Korra at least (and probably won't touch on Aang's stuff at all since by then it'll have to be at least a century after the original show took place). It'll probably just be another analogy to the prequels since the og creators are coming back and have just as much control as they did back in Korra (probably more so since now they don't have to worry about Nick dicking them around)
DESU, I didn't actually know that, but I think my point generally still stands

I've been trying to bump it up though, but since I'm unable to commission people at the time, drawthreads and other random anons asking for requests is the way to go for me

why not let them just be together?

Because as you said yourself, they're unremarkable. None of the problems in their relationship ever get addressed, they just get paired up in the end and gloss everything over. The comics right now are more or less repeating the same mistakes the show did

I doubt he even remembers them completely, or at least enough to where he'd go out of his way to track them

people meet again through coincedence all the time.

do you really think he'd risk his already shaky and strenuous rule on pissing off the nobility by marrying a peasant from another nation?

as opposed to right now where he's linking himself with the daughter of a traitor? we're long past the point of arguing logic in Mai's favor.

Also, you yourself said Izumi's clearly a mix of Fire Nation, and there's clearly no trace of Earth Kingdom in there.

Because the fn and EK dont have people of both skin tones

you're reading way to much into the looks department when it hardly matters in the grand scheme of things. looks and heritage are two different things, see asami

I sincerely doubt it'd be enough to where she' voluntarily wed the guy, especially since, again, she's still with Sokka.

the same sokka that died childless and whose relationship with suki in korra is a complete unknown? it's on the table if the creators really wanted to go that route.

Because one of the shows most pivotal moments, the climax of the Boiling Rock, hinges on Mai's love for Zuko, and is paid off at the end of the show by them getting back to and seemingly sticking together.

the moment in question only works when you ignore that mai didn't fear azula

Maybe if the show actually put in the work to not have this dynamic come at the eleventh hour, i'd agree. Comparing Zuko and Mai to Anakin and Padme is a joke anon. the latter is quite literally at the center of the narrative, where as Zuko and Mai were an afterthought that doesn't begin until 2/3rd of the way into the story.

as opposed to right now where he's linking himself with the daughter of a traitor? we're long past the point of arguing logic in Mai's favor.

Mai's not just the daughter of a traitor. She is a traitor herself too.

He clearly doesn't think so

The key difference with WWII is that the Axis powers were actually defeated militarily more or less completely, while the Fire Nation wasn't. They were driven out of Ba Sing Se by the White Lotus, sure, but that alone wouldn't have ended the war by a long shot. What really concluded the war was Ozai being deposed and Zuko assuming the throne with the backing of the Avatar and immediately ending hostilities. The Earth Kingdom and the Water Tribes were in no position to refuse peace, especially when it was already coming with the Fire Nation implicitly conceding all of its colonial territories. The WWII equivalent would be if Japan had suddenly ended its invasion of China and totally withdrew back to Japan because the Emperor had been assassinated and the new Emperor just decided to drop it. Sure there'd still be PLENTY of hard feelings the Japs, but what was China gonna do, say "Fuck you, I wasn't done yet" and immediately counter invade? Maybe at best in a couple decades if they get their shit back together.
Now the whole Yu Dao thing is a huge snag in the peace process, which was frankly retarded. Just a bunch of bullshit to contrive a stupid compromise to justify the existence of the United Republic.

Warcrime this, warcrime that
No one brings up how Aang drowned hundreds of fire nation soldiers in ice cold water or how the heroes themselves commit several of these war crimes themselves.

Considering what everyone already suspects is gonna be the big reveal when it comes to Korra and the calamity

Well yeah, obviously they're gonna play it off as Korra dindu nuffin wrong and is just misunderstood, but it's sort of immaterial because the apocalypse still happened regardless and the world that her generation, Tenzin's generation, and Aang's generation had fought for was ruined.

You're right, but you can't kill people in a kid's show. Maybe in netflix's atla.

in azula and the spirit temple they seem to be pushing her towards a redemption arc. they're handling her with kid gloves. she went from being a fearsome antagonist in the show to being an antagonist from peppa pig.

generally stands

eh, I'd give more credit to Aaron and his wife over those two and Bryke.
imo that fire/heat spanking idea was quite neat
i'd love to see someone make art based around that concept

they've giving azula too much grace. she tried repeatedly to actually KILL zuko. i completely hate that the comics are giving her so much.

He clearly doesn't think so

>do you really think he'd risk his already shaky and strenuous rule on pissing off the nobility by marrying a peasant from another nation?

Yes, Zuko doesn't see her as a traitor. But the point is that Mai is no longer the most optimal partner w/rt placating the nobility due to her own actions.>The Earth Kingdom and the Water Tribes were in no position to refuse peace, especially when it was already coming with the Fire Nation implicitly conceding all of its colonial territories.
The Water Tribes and Earth Kingdom elites might understand this, though Kuei does almost restart the war due to the Yu Dao crisis, but the peasants won't. And unlike IRL, not only are a good portion of the peasants always armed and decently trained, but they are also capable of traveling great distances more easily. Imagine if Chinese peasants in early post-WWII Nanking were capable of using waterbending to use simple boats to travel to Japan?

Now the whole Yu Dao thing is a huge snag in the peace process, which was frankly retarded. Just a bunch of bullshit to contrive a stupid compromise to justify the existence of the United Republic.

Agreed. I really don't envy Yang for having to justify the existence of the United Republic. Some of the pro-colonization commentary is on him, but the United Republic's existence essentially means the Fire Nation won the war and Sozin was right to wage it.

Just a bunch of bullshit to contrive a stupid compromise to justify the existence of the United Republic.

Literally all they needed to do was establish:

Fire Nation gives back all the colonies/land taken in the past XX years to the Earth Kingdom along with heavy reparations

Colonies that have been around longer have been disconnected from EK for generations and are to mixed to properly integrate back into it, and is too distant from the FN and from the imperialist side the FN is working to do without

The remaining, century old mixed colonies remain independent entities for some time until they or (more likely) Aang elect to unify under a single government

Boom! That easy. It allows the United Republic of Korra to come to existence in a way that makes sense and is a legitimate compromise between giving the EK it's territory back and allowing those that've been colonies for generations to remain distinct, while still allowing for tension and resentment to remain until Kuvira makes her attempt at conquest in Korra S4

The reason the Fire Nation "gets away with everything" is because A. the Earth Kingdom's government is so hated that the conquered territories refused to rejoin and had to be forced to stay separate from the FN as a cope to make Kuei feel better and B.the peace only exists because Zuko allows it. The FN could restart the war and immediately end it if they really wanted to, taking out Ozai and replacing him with Zuko was the only way to thread the needle, and Aang doesn't have the balls or the ability to take out the Fire Nation's leadership again without a massive amount of shit pushing him to do it. Without a literal genocidal maniac with an easy replacement available at the head, Aang's liable to not do shit for dick. The FN is still the real power and military authority in terms of realpolitik and everyone fucking knows it, so they get off with a slap on the wrist and the bare minimum to shut Kuei the fuck up. If the WT or EK restart the war themselves, odds are Aang isn't going to manage to defuse shit without basically handing them over to the Fire Nation or them getting shitstomped before he can do anything about it either.

This isn't "The Axis lost WWII" this is "Imagine if the Axis shitstomped the entire planet but then Hitler's son killed him and took over and called everything off before they delivered the killing blow." all those dead armies and devastating supply lines don't just magically respawn and the battle hardened, supermassive military industrial complex bigger than any IRL war machine doesn't magically disappear in a puff of fairy dust just because the war ended. The peace exists because Zuko allows it.

The Water Tribes and Earth Kingdom elites might understand this, though Kuei does almost restart the war due to the Yu Dao crisis, but the peasants won't. And unlike IRL, not only are a good portion of the peasants always armed and decently trained, but they are also capable of traveling great distances more easily. Imagine if Chinese peasants in early post-WWII Nanking were capable of using waterbending to use simple boats to travel to Japan?

What, and die before giving Japan casus Belli to shitstomp them and finish conquering them without consequence? Because that's the outcome of both scenarios, never mind that apparently the peasants actively would rather pledge allegiance to Caldera City than Ba Sing Se anyway to the point that they nearly started a war over it.

You're right, but you can't kill people in a kid's show. Maybe in netflix's atla.

I know they can't kill people in a kid's show. I just wish that they properly explored the consequences of keeping Azula and Ozai, the former with her bending intact.

in azula and the spirit temple they seem to be pushing her towards a redemption arc. they're handling her with kid gloves. she went from being a fearsome antagonist in the show to being an antagonist from peppa pig.

If I didn't know about the cookbook, I would say that they are making her more of a dangerous antagonist by having her consciously acknowledge she have friends and family or stick to her values, but not both, and have her choose the latter while at the same time realize that it is dumb to force talented, but not totally aligned, people to serve her since they'll eventually turn on her. Combined with the roleplay game, it seems like she will double down, build a network of truly devoted loyalists, and attempt to utilize spirits to make Zuko into the ruler she wants him to be or take the throne from him by force, destroying all of his allies in the way. In other words, Azula is no longer a girl trying to please her abusive and all-powerful father but a woman who does evil because she believes in it and wants to.

they've giving azula too much grace. she tried repeatedly to actually KILL zuko. i completely hate that the comics are giving her so much.

Zuko threw her into an asylum which canonically abused her and made her worse and everyone ignored her until Zuko took her out so she could extract info from Ozai about Ursa's location. If Zuko wasn't so hellbent on reuniting with Ursa, Azula would have spent the rest of her life straightjacketed and constantly chi-blocked, lost in the throes of madness, and no one would care. For a children's IP, that is dark.

Agreed. I really don't envy Yang for having to justify the existence of the United Republic. Some of the pro-colonization commentary is on him, but the United Republic's existence essentially means the Fire Nation won the war and Sozin was right to wage it.

Tbh he kinda was, nobody in universe ever actually composes a real moral argument as to why 4 nations where three are either backwards tribals, hypercorrupt former expansionist empires themselves, or hippie koolaid cults that don't believe in human values is better than one where none of that is true except the "former expansionist empire" thing, or how exactly ethnostates for the sake of it are maintaining some kind of spiritual balance that is nebulously beneficial given that 99% of spirits are psychotic, egotistical cunts who need to be driven out.

Angry peasants aren't going to rally together and reignite the war. The Earth Kingdom peasants would probably get beaten down by their own local rulers and sent back to the fields and the Water Tribe has always been pretty detached from the war. The South was able to muster one unit of guerillas and it's not terribly clear that the North ever seriously got involved aside from Paku running with the White Lotus. I don't think the average Water Tribesman has ever cared that much about what's going on outside as long as there's no steel ships scaring away the seals.
Now there could definitely be some anti-FN terrorist groups that form, maybe some of the EK aristocracy would fund them even, but that's just a headache for Zuko and Aang more than anything.

imo that fire/heat spanking idea was quite neat

Indeed. Wish I saved those

What a heavenly image

if only it went further than a sketch

they've giving azula too much grace. she tried repeatedly to actually KILL zuko. i completely hate that the comics are giving her so much.

Azula didn't try to repeatedly kill Zuko. She killed Aang, repeatedly tried to kill Zuko, Iroh, and the other Gaang members, attempted to kill Mai, imprisoned the Day of Black Sun group except for the kids, the Kyoshi Warriors, and her friends, conqueored the EK, banished a bunch of innocent servants, condoned the torture of prisoners, and violated the (presumed) rules of an Agni Kai. The fact that she is still alive with her bending and the full weight of the Fire Nation state isn't bearing down on her after her escape from Zuko's custody is crazy.

That ass is just begging for a spanking.

You're right. Let's execute Aang. Fucking bald ass.

The way she's drawn in this is a little more appealing than in the show. Is it just that her eyes are a little bigger and her hair buns are a little more distinct? It's impressive how minor design changes can make a difference.

you're right. azula should be stripped of her bending and tied up and made a free-use toy for every man in the earth kingdom. for every 10 dicks serviced she gets a glass of water.

nigga that sounds gay af

The way she's drawn in this is a little more appealing than in the show.

Unironically the one saving grace here for me. it's uncanny the effect small tweaks can make

I'm reminded of those threads where anons were giving Pearl eye lashes (I mean the tasteful ones, not the Shadman just-fuck-my-shit-up make up) and how massive of an improvement it was

bros, is fucking a woman gay?

Orgy with more than one guy

Yes. Yes It is.
Stop being a faggot

fellas, is it gay to fuck a woman who has fucked a man?

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