When will cel animation make a comeback? The audience clearly wants it.
When will cel animation make a comeback? The audience clearly wants it
hahahahahah they are already using ai
go grab a pencil then
make some yourself
When will cel animation make a comeback?
Never.
The audience clearly wants it.
No, they don't.
t. cel animation enthusiast
AI is a LOOOOOOOOTTTTTTT cheaper in every single metric.
There is no fucking way. Even the sweatiest and gookiest of gook sweatshops will never compete.
Why not just black and white traditional animation? Why do you even need cels? People draw things traditionally without using cels all the time.
Never and they don’t. At best, you have a very small niche of the audience who wants the visuals of cel animation, but they don’t actually care if it comes from actual cel animation. Look at glitch’s trailer for their new show, the comments are filled with people praising the choppy, stop motion-like animation despite knowing full well that it’s not stop motion. The don’t care about the medium, only the visuals. So no, the audience doesn’t “clearly” want it, and it’s never going to make a comeback when it’s worse than digital in every practical way.
I got nearly 15 years worked to Cartoon studios/animation shows and videogames… cell animation never come Back, Today is like the indies. In fact, I dont think that we got a “comeback” in animation, like was on the 90’s or early 2000. Animation studios, contracts, and salaries are at their lowest point in recent years, and the most iconic studios have either closed or can't sustain themselves. A season ends, and the studio usually closes; that's how it works. Despite a few successful series, animation is doomed.
It's because they switched away from cel animation, and the audience was like
Wow this looks cheap
And 99% of them just left
Is this audience in the room with us right now?
Ironically probably, if there's any audience for cel animation they'd probably be on Anon Babble
I really don't care if it's made with cels, I just want it to look like it. I'm sure it can be done digitally
Does anyone know where to get one of these desks or blue prints to build one?
Threads like these kind of elude me because I'm not really sure what you guys are looking for - is it some kind of actual quantifiable aspect of cel animation (i.e. something that you can actually put into words) or is it really just that you guys miss striking color palettes and actual shading worth a damn?
Why can't they replicate the cel aesthetic digitally?
or is it really just that you guys miss striking color palettes and actual shading worth a damn?
This and actual quality animation. Old DIsney and Don Bluth, I would watch AS A KID, just because some of the animation was so awesome. There are these segments of animation that are just great, beautiful.
They can. They just don't want to
Hell, you could probably do it if you put in about 5 years worth of practice
the audience wants it
Example?
It's everything. Yes, the color and shading is one of the biggest issues but there's a plethora of other issues. The Disney Animators who left after the Tom Meeting in Dream On Silly Dreamer say that the main benefit of traditional animation is you can just put so much more of yourself into your drawings and your effort shines through much clearer, which makes sense. Even if there are "6 million sensitivity points available" with digital tablets the number of possible "sensitivity points" with traditional animation is technically infinite. The amount of subtle line variation is unimitatable and the eye can pick up on the difference. The way that scenes are framed and animated are also completely different and just placing screen clips from shows side by side you can see how the framing is incredibly different. It also just opens the door to incredibly amounts of laziness and corner cutting. Rigged animation being a good example that just kills any scene it's used in whereas traditional animation forces you to just animate. You can check the recent concept art thread to see an example of how all the beauty and creativity of a show can be stamped out by needing to rig the animation. It also allows the suits too much opportunity for meddling whereas before they were forced to let the artists have more control.
This leads to artists being lazy and uninspired in their character designs, ideas everything and opens the door for talentless hacks with connections to buffalo their way into the industry that was previously gatekept by the fact that you couldn't work in animation without being able to draw well.
And on top of all that it just looks better. You can take any show made digitally and compare it to just how the forest scene in Bambi looks and see timeless beautiful it looks in comparison.
That, but also the individual hand in animation.
I'm not saying you can't tell who animated what in a CGI film (I can't, but that means nothing), but traditional animation makes it obvious that a drawing was created by a specific animator with a specific style. Very comfy.
I also think after all these years, 3D animation has never really figured out how to make convincing human characters, while 2D can do anything from a realistic human to a super-cartoony human. Everyone in a Pixar movie still looks like a toy to me.
While I do enjoy digital animation, it just looks too clean to me, all the imperfections of cel animation make it feel more charming.
Artists want it, not audiences. They disregard effort and passion, and slop will please them now. Bonus points if it's based on meme IP they grew up pn
The audience clearly wants it.
No they don't, OP. You're living that sentence rent free in your mind. Only artists and intellectuals such as you want it. If you want the 80s, 90s and 2000s to come back with the whole cel animation thing, then go for it, try to make it on your own, but it's gonna be cost consuming than with modern digital animation
It's not profitable. Artists both don't care enough and do care enough, the asswipes in the thread that's generalizating fail to realize the people that would, aren't working indie.
These are movies, not tv grade medium. This still takes millions of dollars to make, not thousands or less.
It's because one day Charles Schultz drew Woodstock with two eyes on the same side of his head, and like a virus, abandoning form in favor of flat iconography spread
No-one truly wants this in the way that no one wants early CGI to make a full comeback. I think there is a market for projects that do look old digitally occasionally, but not full time. There will never be a full come-back for it. Also, there is NO one who wants to go back to cels because it's so expensive and time consuming. It's easier to do it on digital, especially now that we're dealing with AI Bros crapping out shit in minutes.
Not even indie animators do cel animation. If "everyone" wants it how come that in the last 20 years or so the only indie cel animation is cuphead? Shouldn't at least someone else do it on cels? How about animation made by Anon Babble themselves? none of them are on cells. Not a single one. Anon Babble was added in 2006 and now it's 2025. Not 1 cel animated short, even 5 seconds, or so made by anyone on Anon Babble in 19 years . If you love cel animation so much, were are the results?
Anon Babble doesn't do any kind of animation, you silly billy
Most people who talk about wanting to bring back cel animation don't do any animation, period.
Personally I think some people use "cel animation" as a synonym for "hand-drawn animation."
I miss cel animation in some ways, but the switch to digital has not been as catastrophic as Hollywood's abandonment of hand-drawn. And even "hand-drawn" is a vague term because some animation looks like it could have been drawn by hand but isn't.
I want hundreds of women to trace the mouse drawings onto sheets of celluloid with dip pens
The audience clearly wants it.
So what? The audience is stupid and worthless. Why should they deserve quality when they have shown time and time again that they crave slop?
No, cel animation isn't the same as hand-drawn. Most animation today is still hand-drawn and doesn't look anywhere near as good.
I have Cels and acrylic paint where I live I'd be willing to paint and ink someone's animation. There. Half the battle is done right there.
There's a new Samurai Pizza Cats game coming out this year that uses cel animation
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Aside from that your best bets are either studios trying to recreate the aesthetic with digital like pic related or indie projects like these:
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Cuphead was painted by hand and colored digitally, like most animation after the year 2000.
This guy recreated a scene from Snow White
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Cel films are in the past but I wonder if wealthy art patrons liked animation, if there could be a niche market for such short shots. The art could live on in other forms like bespoke portraiture.
took the guy four months, four to twelve hours of work a day, to make a few seconds of animation
And that's why nobody uses cels anymore.
That was one person not a team of people. Honestly Western artists are just too lazy and entitled to do it anymore. They'll cope endlessly about it but that's truly the case.
will cel animation make a comeback?
No, even if you animate traditionally on paper(plenty of people do today as a hobby) why would you go back to cels? cels are expensive, require specific machines to make and the effect is so small only a few animation fans would care. you are better off coloring the paper itself after you are done animating/ scanning it and then coloring it digitally. No hobbyist has the fund to pay for pic related.
yeah but it's not ready yet. Notice the glaring lack of OC AI content despite it's apperant