I'm sorry but Red Hood was better when he first came back from the dead and was telling Batman that he's a pussy for not killing
I'm sorry but Red Hood was better when he first came back from the dead and was telling Batman that he's a pussy for...
100% of that was from daddy issues. Oh so that's where most of his appeal comes from.
Jason stopped being a layered character when they focused entirely on making him an angry losers with a bone to pick with Bruce. The last thing Jason did before he died was literally being a good boy and saving someone who didn't deserve it. Then he comes back from the dead is having gunfights in the streets, letting someone hang on his knife, and skimming profits from pimps, pushers and rackets. They absolutely fucked up his character.
he was and always will be the best version of bruce and the best batman.
You sound like a dork, bro.
I mean, I am big fan of Judd Winick after all.
Any note worthy stories with Jason as Robin? Dick, Tim, and even Damian got to have some kino adventures with Bruce but the only thing Jason had going for him as Robin is when he died
I’m not kidding when I say that era of Batman is pretty fucking miserable as in Jason and Bruce went after serial killers and rapists. It gets significantly lighter after Jason died. So if you want to see the dark (but kino) era of dark Batman, it’s with Jason as his Robin.
also doesn't kill the Joker
What'd he mean by this?
Honestly you're right. What the fuck does he do now? What's the point of Jason without the killing angle? He's just Batman's frowning sidekick. He wears a fucking bat on his chest and never kills anyone. He just mopes and whines but still does what Daddy Batman says, like Bruce fucking lobotomized him. What happened to the guy who collects severed heads in a duffle bag?
He's the Raphael of the sidekicks.
I mostly agree. Him coming back and turning into DC’s punisher would have been fine but him trying to become a crime lord made no fucking sense
bro you gotta stop samebrofagging broski bro
That's kinda bullshit.
The Mike Barr run, while not entirely free from seedy elements like prostitutes and Batman implying an effeminate criminal is gonna be raped in jail, is surprisingly a Golden age throwback in the early days of post-crisis, down to Selina still having the evening gown costume and having a romantic alleyway dinner with Bruce. Early 80's Batman was already fairly dark, and there was a somewhat brief attempt to switch gears around post-crisis. The thing is, the Starlin run a year or so down the line does become much darker, but it took some time to work it's way into setting up the Jason people eventually would be most familiar with.
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Red Hood should have stayed a villain.
Judd Winick just had to further the lost cause, bad seed edgyboi characterization and put a further ink stain on the character.
Also one thing that later comics forget is there's that revised Who's Who profile that shows Jason was 5 feet by the time of his death, but I guess the shorter the better and more tragic to juxtapose against the giant brick shithouse.
There are also some Pre-Crisis stories like the arc with Nocturna, but that Jason's pretty much a different boy and starts with ginger hair. That story could have helped the transition in his Post-Crisis self though, since there's a gap between the early flashback stories and then those modern ones up to his death.
He's the angry and violent one but deep down he's a softy. Always has beef with Leo aka Dick but Dick has some Mikey in him as well.
he should get mad dirty on criminals
R-18 parody of UTRH where Jason wants Batman to bugger the Joker as correction
The Bat can't, for that's noncon and wrong
canonically got footjobs from Starfire
Absolute king.
Winick’s Jason is the best.
Jason Todd is the shittiest character with the biggest fandom.
He's a good-for-nothing thief only famous for being a thief and overrated white guy who kills and dared harm the Arrow family.
He stole the Batmobile's tires, Helena's role as the outsider who kills, stole Dick's friends, steals codenames, Jason Blood's white streak schtick, and has no original gimmick at all.
The shittiest character with the biggest fandom.
That’s Nightwing.
Nightwing has seniority privilege in being the original, so they worship his ass. It will be the ultimate test when DC unleashes a scat fetish one-shot to really make things shitty.
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Nobody cares about pre-Crisis.
It was OOC and stupid.
Barr is Post-Crisis though, when they were still getting kinks worked out.
Anon how did you read that and not fucking get it’s POST crisis
I swear the Barr/Davis run screws up your brains since every time it’s mentioned you fucks seem to think it’s pre-crisis despite explicitly NOT being so.
What's the slogan of Bat-Anon Babblemblr again?
"Don't mess with us, we don't read the comics either."
Sounds a joke you’d hear on reddit
Thread about one of Dick Grayson's struggling clones
Someone says Nightwing sucks
Like clockwork.
You all ever think of how different things would be if JMS' New Robin cartoon pitch was approved? We would have had a fusion of Pre and Post Crisis Jason in animation.
What’s the difference between Jason and Dick, Helena, the Arrow family, and Jason Blood? He’s actually interesting to read about.
JMS is the last person I’d want near Jason considering Robin Lives was pretty shit.
It's the JMS that wrote for Real Ghostbusters, not JM DeMatteis but there are some unusual things in the pitch like Jason having a robo nanny.
That was DeMatteis.
JMS is Spider-man/ Babylon 5
It would have sucked considering Post-Crisis was Jason at his peak. Either do that, or don’t do it at all.
The pitch was like 80% post crisis Jason with the street kid backstory, but he would’ve had red/strawberryblonde/light brown hair and they crammed in him having been in the circus before being a street kid with his family like precrisis.
This final bible draft before the project was scrapped was written months before Starlin’s “ the diplomat’s son” story that basically came to define Jason onward
Can you imagine if the show had been picked up though, and the shitstorm that'd ensue if parents saw the comics had the diplomat son story still went forth? Wonder if the poll would have happened or not.
The circus-to- street kid transition is surprisingly not detailed despite the bible being pretty in depth. No Croc and nothing from Two-face being responsible either. I think the implication was that his parents were killed and he ran away into the streets.
For better or worse, Batman comic sales were pretty bad around this time.the later Super Friends episodes were still airing around the time DKR was coming out so I’m not sure if this would fair much better in getting kids to read the comic.
It took the 89 movie to really boost sales( and only briefly)
Most interesting thing to me is how they work in Nightwing as a regular guest in a time when he was just gone from the batbooks. Nightwing wasn’t a bat character, he was a Titans character named after a Superman character originally. This represents the first (arguably natural and obvious) idea of using Dick as a Gotham character when he’s Nightwing)
Yeah, considering JMS says they won't delve into Two-Face's origin due to the content they probably would have to be super vague about the fate of the Todds.
totally agree.
two-face killing a family of circus acrobats 7 years before Batman Forever
Not very important t but interesting