Does using AI voices make a human-made cartoon worthless?

you could get away with

The comments are literally saying they prefer bad voice acting over AI. AI use is not a rise in standards.

These people are jumping at whatever boogeyman they've been trained to hate like a drooling pavlov's dog.
If this had some amateurs doing bad impressions on deepfried mics they'd talk shit on it just the same or ignore it.

I pose the ultimate unanswerable retort...

If i use my own voice and AI makes it better...why the fuck can't you shut up about AI ruining things? I provided my own fucking sample and tweaked it, fuck you.

I hope AI puts every artist and voice actor out of a job for being pretentious as fuck

OP here. People are calling for the artist to fail their class due to using AI voices in their graded animatic. Is this fair?

Yeah. If they're being moral, they would either pay real VAs, or just hire some randos. It's not fucking hard to voice a character, people!

What's the name of the video? You can leave out horsey keywords

No you're a bootlicking cocksucker. Please unironically kill yourself.

get a canister of helium, some rubber tubing, and a bag

put the tubing into the cylinder and the other end in the bag

turn it on

put the bag over your head and hold it closed

inhale

the inert gas won't make you think you're suffocating, instead you'll just black out in seconds

You really should do it. Everyone here hates you. Your mom and dad love you, but you're such a disappointment to them because you had all this potential, but instead chose to waste it and be - well, you're not a NEET, but you're close. You're a disappointment to them. Yeah they'll cry for a bit, but in like a year they'll be happy to have moved on from the low-grade stressor in their life. It'll be even faster if you have siblings.

You really should do it.

You literally have free license text to speech tools that existed pre AI that shit like the Sonic, Shadow and Silver show used and Sonic autists loved it. In fact, I'm using it right now as I use it to aid it hearing the words other people post so I can multitask listening while doing things.

AI is and always will be nignog slop designed to TRICK you into thinking you have talent in places you DON'T own the right for. All based on stolen data designed to desensitize yourself to anti humanism. Either be genuine with your audience or FUCK OFF.

What makes AI haters lash out like this?

you're a pajeet AI bro who hates art if you don't shell out for VAs every time you want to animate anything with your favorite characters

Copyright isn't real. Plagiarism isn't real. You cannot own an idea.

why did internet cartoons cope perfectly fine with shitty impressionists before AI

It's about effort. You fail to accept no one wants to like anything that took zero effort to create.
Less effort means more dogshit. Seeing people try to mimic who they love takes effort .

So don't get mad when I kill you since you don't own your life. After all, everything deserves to be free to be exploited.

Because unironically the soulless husk p-zombie that moves around and consumes resources is a net loss in the world. You don't have a soul. You even lack the spark of a soul. You're a hylic. You will never ever create anything of value. You will never ever matter. The whole conversation about the use of AI for creative purposes is on a level that you cannot comprehend. And I say this as someone who uses AI not infrequently - I use it for editing, I use it to automate tasks, looking up unimportant information, and recontextualizing information in a paradigm that I understand better.

Kys newfag. Early Internet was full of shitty animations that were soulful as shit, despite having crap voices or janky animation.

Honest question.

If a man or a woman has an idea for a story that's completely amazing, but can only be created how they envision it through the use of AI since they either lack the connections or cannot afford the money to either to draw or film it or hire voice actors, does compromising and using AI to create it make them completely talentless or have half the talent of someone that legitimately lucked out in getting the funds to make their ideas come true through using only humans?

You belong in a mental institution
You sound even more pretentious than the anti-AI faggots

The conversation surrounding AI would be completely different had it not boomed around the time crypto/NFTs crashed and crypto/NFTbros needed something to latch onto. The well was poisoned and now if you're anything less than outraged about all AI, people assume you're a musk techbro advocating for the death of creativity and your art loses all artistic merit.

I know you don't get it. And it actually makes me upset. I wish you were at least a psychic.

They do what everyone did since the dawn of time and either do their project as best as they can or git gud at convincing people.

I literally published my first book two months ago and I went with the first option. So the book is a financial loss for me, but that's okay, because I created something new and novel, and did it without compromising my moral principles, and I know that a non-zero amount of other people enjoyed it. So I'm "happy."

The notion that somebody has to pay out the nose for voice work is a complete lie. For small/indie projects, there are plenty of people who'll do voice work pro bono. Casting Call Club. Takes you all of five minutes to build a creator profile and put out a call. Are you going to get Grey DeLisle and Dee Bradley Baker? No. But you're definitely getting something better than AI slop that causes blowback hard enough to derail your project.

But you're definitely getting something better than AI slop that causes blowback hard enough to derail your project.

Why is there any blowback in the first place? You people are literally being hysterical, like 90s soccer moms

If a man or a woman has an idea for a story that's completely amazing,
Then you do what people did pre AI.
It's been 40000+ year of constant human evolution, if you, yes, (You) are so inferior you cannot achieve greatness by doing what past artists could do, then you never were great in the first place.

Ironic posting Thanos who needed god stones to be "god" himself instead of having that power naturally.

You are still being extremely pretentious and are obviously a narcissist

Underage racist Roblox rantings!

I understand that you don't understand. I wish I could help you. I'm sorry. :/

I know nothing about roblox besides it apparently has an issue with pedos grooming kids into becoming femboys

Because people who actually do this work know that the end goal is to eliminate their jobs with obnoxious, bottom of the barrel slop. Just another step of everything getting shittier and shittier so some asshole can save a dollar. I get that you're a techbro that loves the concept of AI because it means you don't require your own talent. But people can value things beyond its cost-savings. I know, wild concept you've never considered, but it's true.

I get that you're a techbro that loves the concept of AI

Bait or retardation
Call it

I believe they shouldn't have used AI voices. But if the class is solely about animation, no. They shouldn't fail if their drawn work is good quality and they weren't being graded on the voices.

Then they shouldn't have used voices.

You might have better success if you didn't talk down to people with a bunch of gnostic bullshit while having this sort of holier than thou attitude

Mad you've been replaced?

But if I was to talk to you as an equal, you literally couldn't understand me. Like you'd hear the words and be like "I understand what the words are saying, but together they are meaningless." It's like talking to a flat-earther, anti-vaxxer, globalist, or an eco-dupe. They lack not only the comprehension, but the capability of comprehension.

The flaw in what you're saying is that this will not be the case in the coming years as things have clearly changed for better or worse. To put it simply, Git gud is no longer something that is the only path of artistry. There's more incentive to use AI when it's so easy and so fast. For instance, a guy wanting a cool photo to put on the wall of their restaurant will save money and time by just using AI for the image. A struggling cartoonist like in the OP uses AI to voice characters and he doesn't use text to speech exactly because AI is so much better and can make it feel like actual conversation instead of it just being an automatic robotic tone talking to each. Text to speech is either for memes or narration at this point.

Honestly bro... Unless AI art is banned outright by the government, it's not going to ever stop being used. AI is literally getting better with each year, the normies don't even mind it too much either.

How about this for a thought: Why do you find AI morally bankrupt, when AI clearly outright encourages more creativity??? Isn't this what we should be happy about, regardless of AI??? People who would be unable to be artists for whatever reason, whether it be outright disabilities or a lack of artistic ability, will now be able to put their ideas out there in a profoundly easy way. You can always learn how to draw and such, but there are truly unfortunate people who don't have the time to learn how to draw or who just simply can't do it. Have you ever thought about them? Should they really stop using AI even if they have creative ideas?

Nope if you have an incredible idea but don't have the means to bring it to life through being able to afford artists or VA talent then you can get fucked is basically the mindset of anti Ai people. What's that don't have the money well then too bad buddy fuck you looks like you don't get to do what you want now put the fries in the bag bro

Kek, yep - see what I mean, pure pavlovian response.
Telling someone to kill themselves over TTS is abject madness, anon.

I haven't, actually. I created something of worth and at least 200 strangers liked my book, that had 0 AI. And my next book is also going to have 0 AI. I'll pay the editor and the artists again, because that's what you do.

Ethically, I don't see how AI voices in non-commercial work is any worse than voice splicing. You're taking a copyrighted voice without paying the OG, making them say shit the OG probably wouldn't approve of, and in both cases they sound inferior to a human impressionist. Voice splicing is more effort, sure, but that doesn't make it ethically different. This is the exact reason why youtube poops are always getting taken down and reuploaded. It's not recognized as fair use by copyright law. I honestly think AI voices are fair use. If they're not, neither is voice splicing to get the exact same dialog, since you're still taking something that's not yours and starving some Fiverr VA.

Splicing requires human creativity to create each syllable. AI voices are slop where you just type what you want and instantly get a result.

AI clearly outright encourages more creativity???

That is the diametric opposite of what AI is, does, and encourages. A person who wants to become an artist doesn't get better by learning how to write a prompt. AI doesn't help a person learn technique and actually improve as an artist. Can they put out more content, devoid of any other context? Yes. But as soon as you add even a hint of the human element to that equation, it doesn't matter that they were able to have their graphics card churn out a dozen uncanny looking mishmashes. Plus, let's just take this to its conclusion. Without real artists, AI can only incestuously scrape from other AI art. This leads inexorably to model collapse. Plus, AI can be derailed by just shifting a couple pixels in a piece of uploaded art. That's a non-issue with real art and real artists.

Why don't you tell us the title of your book if you're so proud of it

It's just putting more effort into stealing. It's the difference between learning to rip or torrent a cartoon yourself, or just looking it up on kisscartoon to watch it instantly. You still don't own the voice and you still could've used a real VA in place of voice splicing.

A) Interesting use of AI, but you can tell by the cadence of some of the sentences. I see you edited it slightly, but it still shows.

B) Assuming you agree with the statement that you generated, then let me ask you something. Do you think the Mona Lisa, A Storm in the Rocky Mountains, the picture I'm attaching to this post, and the picture in the hyperlink have the same merit?

postimg.cc/0MzvKx8C

Shhh, it's okay. It'll be over soon.

It would be off-topic for the board, but I've posted it on Anon Babble multiple times.

No you don't get it, Ai will cause there to be endless slop

meanwhile: final destination 17, Disney live action remake 34, star wars 12, jurassic park 9, fast n furious 22, alien 12: bloodlines: requiem, predator 5: the hunt, the incredibles 4, mission impossible: final mission: we promise this is the last one,

Times anybody defending real artists has ever defended anything you just mentioned: 0

Wonder why you brought it up then?

Yeah and I don't consoom modern Hollywood/AAA/foreign slop. There's literally decades worth of film, TV shows, books, comics, webcomics, video games, tabletop RPGs that'll provide enough entertainment for the rest of your life.

I'm surprised a narcissist wouldn't want their works to be more known. If you were proud of your little ai-free book you can just come right out and say what it is, but you won't. Maybe you're actually ashamed of it?

AI voices can take jobs away from real people. Splicing audio cannot and is confined to shitposts on the internet.

Every time a zoomer bitches about AI he earns a punishment point from the rokos basilisk
Earn enough and he gets raped by robot dick

is there any alternative to elevenlabs yet? I think I tried to get into RVC but ran into a roadblock, was a while ago

The last time I posted a link I got banned for advertising. Also, because you're obviously looking to tear it down, since you're not actually going to read it.

But tell you what. Go to DriveThruRPG and go look stuff about dark elves. You might find something.

in non-commercial work

It's just putting more effort into stealing.

And that's more integral than not doing that. A thief that cares how they do it is always going to go down in history than a retard ass monkey thug. That's how reality works.
Effort matters.

Reminder that Grey made up with the kid behind Springtrapped and if you listen closely to the human VAs he redubbed it with, she's _Velma in it

because you're obviously looking to tear it down, since you're not actually going to read it.

Yeah why would anyone care about the opinions of someone who says "kys" to people over TTS

complained about it again award

improved nothing award

refuses to filter award

Yeah just let everyone know what makes you upset, I'm sure they won't just continue making these kinds of threads as a result.

can only be created how they envision it through the use of AI since they either lack the connections or cannot afford the money to either to draw or film it or hire voice actors

Pick up the fucking pencil, no one is fooled

Doing a cartoon with hand-drawn janky animation takes more effort than doing generic-but-good looking AI art thoughever.

I don't want to be a fencesitting "both sides are wrong" faggot, but everything around AI is just so exhausting. Like the fags in OPs pic, who you just know are getting a stiffy at feeling righteous indignation over a student trying to finish a project. But at the same time, there are cultists on this site that while randomly act like AI can do anything, and SHOULD do everything.

"Why don't they just get AI to do voices for The Simpsons, if the actors can't anymore?" "Why did they get a new voice for Mario, when they could just have AI copy Charles Martinet's voice?" It's a mix of people who seem obsessed with a new toy, or genuinely think all creativity should be reduced to prompts.

Did she? She didn't even apologize for trying to blacklist him, unless she changed her mind later.

Velma

Grey DeLisle

Are you trolling?

No faggot. Im going to keep using genai and youre gonna cry about it

but can only be created how they envision it through the use of AI

All the AIjeets use logic like this. Arguing they'll make their comics, games, and shows with AI, and do amazing things. But have they? Can you show me high quality AI produced content?

Drawing with a draw pad and computer? Nope not real art either you aren't a real artist unless your traditional only no computers in any way shape or form

Sad kittens vomiting worms

Abomdosnow

youtube.com/watch?v=wlcjwqySmvo
youtube.com/watch?v=WyWHUKnKlW8
youtube.com/watch?v=aAauW4wc_-E
youtu.be/nWGNZarc-fQ?t=19181

So did something bad happen in the tech sector that I don’t know about?
When that Ghibli filter thing popped up there was at least 2-3 AI threads constantly hovering in the catalog, but after a bit under 2 weeks or so it just completely cratered. Did the money run out?

This isnt even an ai art debate this is people with an ai hateboner shitting on art drawn by a human over a part of the animation that has nothing to do with art

And what are you gonna amount to? What have you done? Prompt some porn and put it on Patreon? Make a few tiktok shorts with AI images and voice about the most inane shit on earth?

I only cheated a little bit on my test, you can't assume I cheated anything else!

Bruh there are over a thousand results on your self-publisher site. You started off barking that AI niggers should kill themselves, and the slightest "lol wat u do huh?" has you hiding instead of blowing the faggot out
tbf I'd be 'scared' too if I picked out of the most over saturated groups to base my fantasy story around, especially if my position was "ur not creative!"

You cannot own an idea.

You're right. You cannot own idea, but when you manifest that idea into reality through some creative means, you then own it for actually putting in the work to make it real. At that point, you own the copyright, and people can't steal that and make it their own.

I just don't think you understand the relationship between an idea, a copyright, and plagiarism, since they're not all one in the same.

It's not AI my man. I like writing my own words. I have thought of asking AI tips for world building a particular story I have in mind though.

But to answer B, I believe they all share the same merit. The intent is there to create a work of art for all of them. I've created something here myself from AI and I think something you should at least know about how I got to this is that I didn't just click generate and get this. I generated from different prompts, different models, different LoRas, etc etc to get this one drawing that fit what I had in mind. I had to do this dozens of times. In my honest opinion, the effort to get the art you want from AI is not exactly SUPER easy, especially when you're a picky guy like myself.

If she voiced Daphne everyone would have caught it immediately. She worked with every Velma after Nicole Jaffe; you damn well know she practiced to be a stand-in if necessary.

sticking reasonable asks in with your percieved issues doesn't give your issues more weight m8, it makes you look silly

Yeah, now imagine that, except 10000-fold.

Here's the image I forgot to attach

reasonable asks

You mean the voice shit? You think it's reasonable to replace voice acting with a technology that's been in the public eye for about 2-3 years, and is far from particularly great yet?

Im going to keep using genai and youre gonna cry about it

Nigga I use it on the regular to amuse myself but I never pretend the results are art or comparable

At that point, you own the copyright, and people can't steal that and make it their own.

How the fuck can any average joe person on the internet have this opinion? It's the most "LEAVE THE MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE" shit. Who cares if some person wants to remix something they didn't originally make? Why the fuck do you care if some nobody faggot made a youtube video with an AI Peter Griffin voice? Why do you feel the need to virtue signal how wrong, immoral and illegal that is?

You think it's reasonable to replace voice acting with a technology that's been in the public eye for about 2-3 years, and is far from particularly great yet?

Nta but yes

Unironically, think more. Why would a new toy be talked about, especially one that people seemingly either love or hate, to a extreme extent? Why would they stop? Surely it's better to ask people who love it or hate it, instead of doing the slightest bit of research
nah tho nigger frfr a new toy came, people lost their shit over it, new toy came out and they collectively dropped the previous one to bitch/adore the new one. history shows this a lot

I equate you to someone in like, the 1970s asking why we don't abolish sets, when we have "computers that can do all of this."

Everyone was fine with AI voices when people were making funny TF2 videos with it, but now it's a moral issue?

Fuck off.

Thus I repeat myself, kys.

Sorry, I'm a poor-fag, I can't pay a voice actor $1000 dollars and royalties, sorry, not sorry.

and is far from particularly great yet?

Marge AI doesn't rape my ears and sounds 99% similar to season 1-20

>AI should be used sometimes

I EQUATE YOU TO A SILLY PERSON THAT HATES EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE THING I HATE

lol anon you're doing a very bad job here

I know you're trying to defend your argument, but no one is going to sit through 20+ minutes of a 13+ episode season with AI voices at their current level. They just aren't. They aren't good enough. They sound robotic and uncanny.

Most people are praising this. Very few care about a student using a couple of AI voice lines for some throwaway assignment.

So you think Simpsons voice actors should be replaced with AI? That's the initial thing that I found ridiculous, and it's what someone in this thread just above me is currently defending and proposing.

How the fuck can any average joe person on the internet have this opinion?

Probably because you're completely missing my point.

Companies going after shit for parody or, people doing little shit with existing IPs is stupid, that's why stuff like transformative laws and "fair use" exists.

I'm talking about some little independent artist creating something, and possibly spending the time, effort, and money bringing it to life, only for it to be stolen from them so they get nothing for their work, you think that's ok?

You don't think anyone should have any sort of defense against that?

Don't try to act superior to others when you can't even pony up to your own claim
How do I search through ONE THOUSAND results to find yours? It really.looks like anon was spot on about you

Sorry, I'm a poor-fag, I can't pay a voice actor $1000 dollars and royalties, sorry, not sorry.

Tell us what your great project is that requires pro grade voices but you won't have any collaborators or investment or crowdfunding
You don't actually have one do you

If they're going to keep going forever, yeah. They will eventually when she kicks it, why wait?

they all share the same merit

Okay. That tells me everything I need to know. Thank you for choosing to participate in this discussion.

Because I don't want to engage with someone who is just looking to nitpick? People liked it. I have nothing to prove to anyone.

I think Simpsons voice actors should be gassed on live TV along with the writers and Fox execs keeping the show running

Because AI voices sound bad? They do not sound human on the quality level needed to not regularly bother people? Are you pretending to be dumb?

Okay. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing with AIjeets who do not live in reality, and think AI is more capable than it currently is.

Depends. This uses an AI voice and it sounds okay
youtube.com/watch?v=vuhOfzUCL7A

but no one is going to sit through 20+ minutes of a 13+ episode season with AI voices at their current level

Don't tell me I'm "just trying to defend my argument" when yours is literally based on what you think wohld happen
as if Simpsons is watched for it's quality

Pony up to what, exactly? What are you looking for me to prove?

I nothing to prove to anyone.

You've been here for hours defending yourself against at least two random internet faggots for hours. I know it's difficult, but lying to yourself isn't healthy

You are using an example of a game that had uncanny voice acting in the first place, that was downsampled and compressed in a way where inflections and tone were muted.

Okay. So where are the high quality productions with AI voices? If people are willing to sit through and listen to AI voices, show me an example of it. Using current AI voice quality and technology.

Social media screencap threads are always ragebait where OP crops some worthless faggot's opinion and acts like

Is he right?

YOU AREN'T CREATIVE

lol neither are u

y-yes I a I have a girlf- a PUBLISHED book but you wohldn't know it

bruh

It's sad that you won't listen to reason anon.

I know it's hard for you to accept AI, but I hope you come to accept it in the future. It's here to stay afterall. I'm not even trying to be an ass about it, it's just that unless governments ban AI, it's never really going away.

Defending what? What am I on trial for? I'm saying that I created something without AI and that at least 200 people enjoyed it.

The Springtrap vid in OP. You can't find it on YT, good luck it managed to 'trick' ahell of a lot of people

That's fine. People also consume weed and alcohol. That doesn't make it good.

"Bruh" isn't an argument, zoomzoom.

nah for calling for the deaths of others bcause they use a tool you don't like and being chickenshit of faggots caling you a queer online anonymously

I'm not defending roasties but it's funny that Anon Babble is staunchly anti-AI and calls it slop for low IQ third worlders until it deepfakes naked chicks

That's a 10 minute short. You are arguing a human should be replaced with AI in a regular sitcom, that runs 20+ minutes, and has over a dozen episodes every season. That this should happen now. At the current level of technology AI voices are capable of.

An illiterate writer, no wonder you don't want anyone to see your content

And? What does my book have to do with it?

Anon Babble is staunchly anti-AI

This site is full of AI simps, because this site is full of losers who've never accomplished anything, and think AI will be what will bring their nonexistent vision to life.

I accept your concession.

The vid in the OP is an animatic of Peter Griffin fighting the magic purple alicorn from miniature horse show

99% of voice actors suck, and there's people who do far more work to contribute to the society who get paid far less, sorry, not sorry, and my projects aren't for faggot consumption of normies either. VA's can fuck off, literally more useless than actors and models but get paid big.

What projects have you done?

le vision

Not everyone has a vision, some people just like the novelty of it

yes your example works but it isn't long enough

The goalposts hace been moved twice now, why should I keep giving examples? Why doesn't a 10+m short with AI VO that people were lauding as a perfect impression until the VA actress lost her shit not a good example? We know why but you won't say it

people get tired of being spammed by clearly AI advisments. you go anywhere and you see an Ad for ai, even while using fuck ai you an ai for ai, it get old fast

why are my creative endeavors involved when I'm critiquing others wit he claim my content is superior

gosh idk

Nothing you'll ever see. There's plenty of mother fuckers who make their own works and never show them off except for little dribblets here and there. A testament to all the invite only discord servers where artists and creators hide away their treasures of the unworthy. For the record, AI art is slop, at least AI VAs actually hold some merit, same with using AI to fill inbetween animation frames when the tech comes to do that one day to streamline the animation process.

all you had to was post the book bruh
I would have posted a random faggots the second I was asked, but you care A LOT about this so I doubt you thought of somethin like that even now

Because playing a character in a long running series requires the ability to display a wide range of emotions, and tones, and inflections. If an AI has not trained on something to a capable level, it will sad bad. Like getting a kids show character to say "fuck." There's very little data in the character saying that, so it pieces it together in a way that the vast majority of the time is unnatural and does not work.

You are the equivalent of someone at the onset of CGI thinking they can stop using physical sets and media because a computer rendered a teapot.

Right, so you make AI loli porn, and share amongst your 'bros' in the 'cord.

Kek, try furry, but I do more than that.

Is referencing AI generations to manually make art wrong?

artstation.com/artwork/Ryz2rr

This is exactly what I've observed, it's not possible to have respectful disagreements here, if anon dislikes your opinion you must belong to THIS TRIBE and you are DA UDDER SIDE SUBBERTING ME AUUUUGH

what vision, every ai fags cry worse than artists when you say they shit sucks. I look at bad pencil drawing say is fucked the artists will ok or delete it, ai fags will write walls of text about how ai is the future and will replace artists. No you shit sucks, I dont care if it is dont with pencil or ai, bad art is bad. AI fags can't take any criticism.

Again, this is like cheating on a test and then getting upset when people wonder if you cheated in more than one section. How do we know the rest is "manually made" if AI was already used?

Creatives are all amateurs I could replace tomorrow, just not with my own effort

They're PRIMA DONNAS for wanting to be paid

If *I* can't tell the difference, who else could

I repeat: I follow this tech and use it almost daily because I don't want to be that faggot who thinks moral arguments will change minds, but that also means I have a really good understanding of where it falls short, why, and my motivation to learn this stuff isn't a fucking grudge against people who bothered to learn a skill you could if you actually wanted to.

the AI fags are for the most part retarded, they don't get that ai is not a brain in box, it is going to fuck up sometime. have you seen when an AI fags trys to code without understand how to read, they upload an app/website and sit there dumb stuck about when it was hacked. they are like boomers/jeets they think the computer is magic

What if you just liked the pose it generated?

when the tech comes to do that one day to streamline the animation process

AI tweening has been struggling for years not to look like uncanny shit because the model for training image or video doesn't work as well and it's more obvious with cartoons.

Yes.

I accept your concession.

Wait. If referencing AI is bad because (besides shit anatomy) it's stealing, isn't it also stealing to reference someone's art without permission?

Why are you afraid of posting your book here? It can't be that bad, can it? Is it? What's the problem then? You can't just bring up how creative and original your work is compared to AI and not post the fucking book to prove it.

The difference is AI VAs demand and usually get royalties and visual artists don't get that at all when monetizing their works. Which is a shame, because a visual artist puts in leagues more work than a VA.

its sort of a hypocritical yeah

No, fuck VAs

Typo, I meant VA's, not AI VAs. Quite frankly it's a deeper issue in the industry where the celebrities get all the admiration and the artists and workers toiling away get fucked. Especially Western VAs now bullying Eastern VAs and being wokie little shits, with re-writings to be more politically correct and just straight up changing scripts to align with their own political views. Namely the Dragon Maid one.

I was thinking of Lovely Complex. What happened with Dragon Maid?

Anons use AI voices in the tournaments. You disapprove of those campaigns?

I can't remember which episode but complaining about fanservice and the male gaze and I wanna say they actually say "feminist". It's been a while since I watched it, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially how raunchy it is and then just shoving that shit in.

I'm already doing all the writing, boarding, animation, editing, scoring, etc by myself with a zero dollar budget, and I can't act
Why the fuck would I spend money on voice actors

Pretty much this. Also collabing sucks. Because if you're competent and good enough to work in a collab team, you are good enough to work in an actual studio.
Seen enough collabs fall apart because people aren't on board, don't communicate, don't have the appropriate skills or skill levels, don't meet deadlines, don't do their best and just half-ass it.

Just do a distractingly bad voice bro, you don't want to be an AItechbro do you?

Broke people try to make a cartoon

They want.

A bunch of "um actually 's" pop in and stir shit because they weren't hired for 100000 an hour.

Why aren't people hiring us?

I know you're being a sarcastic dick and I am more than happy to give you a sensible chuckle for it but I have thought about this very issue before
Everytime I record my voice for something and play it back it irks me and makes me want to throw myself out a window, and considering I make the shitty videos I do without any financial incentive and they'll probably never reach outside of my small circle of friends it's just not worth having to hear that over and over while making it.
Plus if I'm making a 10+ minute video the costs I've seen for VAs for that much dialog is simply unjustifiable for a video I'm making no money off
I would love to use Collab and RVC but Google is very niggardly and doesn't let you use RVC, and I haven't been able to find a suitable alternative/can't figure out how to run it locally. I have to use fucking text-to-speech voices like it's a Microsoft Sam video

Let's actually break this down. What site were you using to find a voice actor? This isn't directed only at you, but this is a refrain I'm getting sick unto death of hearing. Where are people going where there are only paid VA's that charge exorbitant rates for amateur work? Fiverr? That's a terrible place to get literally anything.

I don't know where the fuck you're supposed to find VAs but IIRC I was looking at the quotes from those fags that do 15 second comic dubs
Where would you suggest, Professor of Logic?

Write a book, nigga.

Hire Tara Strong to voice the purple horse character

Those same people complaining that you used AI will now complain that you support zionism instead

You can't win with these freaks

See, this is the shit I'm talking about. People bitching about things they haven't taken two fucking seconds to Google, then getting pissy when people call them on it. FFS...

Where would you suggest, Professor of Logic?

Go to fivvr

Every fucking VA wants royalties

Skip that legal mess and just use AI VA instead

Easy as cumming in your own hand.

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I got 3 actresses to voice in a 15 min animation I made for 50 bucks each

Do it yourself like I did
youtu.be/XkPuw8-Ofj8

Still have to deal with communication and delays with the VA

Potentially multiple takes needed

Legal and financial issues if your project ever takes off

Royalties

Yeah, fuck that noise.

Royalties

Since when has this ever been an issue for YouTube animation?

nope

anon, he'll give all kinds of excuses to avoid interactions or responsibilities

Nope

The only acceptable use for AI is in medical imaging technology.

that and porn

Why the fuck would I spend money on voice actors

because they will hound you and publicly shit on you if you don't hire them, it is VERBOTEN tech, do you want a FATWA cast upon you???
I think not

using gen ai hurts both Earth and artists

wait how does it hurt the earth???

No. The animation is still worth the effort itself.
But the fact is that you don't even need voice acting in the first place, human or AI.
There's plenty of great works that use no voice acting, either because there' no script, or through a silent script.
If you can't afford good acting, ask yourself "Do I even need acting?"

Not paying VAs when the work and credit of the visual artist is stolen by celebrities