Will Hulkzilla be next?
Death Battle
BTFOs all of tranime
KNEEL!!
Can't knock off my emerald crown
The cold cosmos forged my emerald crown
A force of justice from a league of renown
The cosmos are mine, the cosmos are mine, maybe
You are going to make them seethe again.
How many galaxies are busted in this image? Can someone count?
Post comics selling better than manga.
Kyle can just dodge TTGL's missiles
okay retard
I……. CAN NOT…………
for those who missed it
Simon's nerfed
Kyle's hax work on him
it's over
So who wins Luz VS Anne?
For those who missed it
Kyle jobs to city level explosions
it’s over
why do kylefags keep making up some sort of fanfic version of him that's on par with hal when we see in clear day that he's a constant jobber
Digimon cosmology has been retconned.
x.com
Still stronger than Simon lol
isn't the time travel ability no longer canon for lanterns long since BvH?
Jobs to Simon lol
The one who obliterated a moon directly
Simon controls reality. This, is over.
city level explosion
gets shot in the back
LE can be resisted
got knocked out by the red ring lantern
He doesn't though? Show me Simon warping reality and doing this.
This is Kyle empowered by every emotional entity btw
Using the same logic Kylebros are using Simon should easily be able to warp Kyle out of existence given he cries like a little bitch when he starts getting erased lmao
Kyle never got erased, even if he struggled against it. It still didn't happen
Simon never went against something like that. So he wouldn't even have a fighting chance.
Kyle
Fucking
Wins.
Set probability of Kyle's ring giving out and him being erased to 100%
EZ. He is at the whims of math he can't control unlike Simon
he got shot in the god damn back and was out cold. why are you avoiding the overwhelming evidence that shows you that kyle can't compete with GL
DCfags
Reading comics
>Set probability of Kyle's ring giving out and him being erased to 100%
When did he do something like this? Missiles don't count. Show me the probability of something completely different being changed.
wrong, this is the hulkfag
Kyle never got erased, even if he struggled against it
He was going to be erased if not for Carol KEK
kyle needs hal's sloppy seconds to do something simon can just casually do whenever he wants
OH NONONONONO
Where's the retcon?
Listen.
Super Duper Crunch Wrap Supreme Collectors Edition could be destroying galaxies, universes or whatever.
Hax is what wins fights. This is how Spawn won, this is how Kyle won.
Broly and Doomsday Fuck this??????
Brolybro Btw
an average hulkfag is BUILT and JACKED like Leonard Samson
FUARKKKKK!!!
Kyle can barely even use the fucking LE and the only comic where he happened to "master it", it's established that rings have limited energy.
You mean the hax that isn't going to work. Even the life equation was confirmed to not work if you will good. Also the ring is going to run out of power spoiler alert
Even the life equation was confirmed to not work if you will good.
Kyle let her win. He won't do the same for Simon.
Also the ring is going to run out of power spoiler alert
You think the fight is lasting 24 hours? Simon wont last 24 seconds.
All this autisiming
Anyone who has been paying attention knows what is actually going to happen from them. They're going to delve into dimensional wank and it will be retarded.
from what I'm hearing is that the anti-spiral was an acasual being. is that true?
8 undecillion complex multiverses+
No
Way
Out
How are the views on this episode?
He didn't let her win, he let her live even though she was able to stand against him because she was able to stand against him. No doubt he could have just destroyed Saysoran if he wanted to, but she resisted the New 52 incarnation of the Life Equation.
Hulk is losing to Godzilla BTW
1.9 million is pretty good
Genuinely what did I miss? 1 week in and already on the way to beat SHITtos' fight. Snoyfags win the most dimeless episode award
What does Godzilla mean? Would he be a composite or just toei godzilla?
the minute anyone is capable of fighting with Kyle even if they're way weaker than him he instantly kills himself
Canon
Indie Era View Counts:
1. Bowser vs Eggman: 5.6 Million
2. Bardock vs Omni-Man: 2.9 Million
3. Shigaraki vs Mahito: 2.8 Million
4. Ghost Rider vs Spawn (should have been Spawn vs Ghost Rider): 2.5 Million
5. Kratos vs Asura: 2.3 Million
6. Joker vs Giorno: 2 Million
7. Master Chief vs Doom Slayer: 1.9 Million
8. Among Us vs Fall Guys: 1.8 Million
all going to be 2 mil
not bad, that's better than season 10
It's comical just how hard Bowser and Eggman stomps all the others
Well no, Kyle was already 'dying' before the start of the issue. When Saysoran meets him, he is literally a skeleton before he reconstitutes himself to have his little back and forth with her (Why? My guess is a sort of suspended animation to not hasten his condition). Then as he is becoming part of the Source, he bequeaths his White Lantern Ring to Saysoran. Given what we know about the White Lantern Ring during this particular run, we can probably assume that the power of the Life Equation is intertwined with this White Lantern Ring (in the canonical present the Life Equation gets divided into inert portions to maintain the new White Lantern Rings).
ew did bardock omniman really do that well?
Thats a shame its such a mid episode.
How is bowser or eggman beating GR or Spawn?
Funny how they gave kratos millions times universal instead of multi+ like bowser eggman tho
It was the first ep of the "revival" wasn't it? Probably why.
Kratos can't even break past 2.5 million
Kratoskeks, can you explain?
Yo
Fun matchup and actually debatable
Army VS Army + all mcguffins so there is a lot more to talk about and consider
Tons of great easter eggs, character interactions, and scenes
Infinite getting THWOMP'd unceremoniously as he deserves
Metal Sonic being the god of carrying
CHANCE TIME
MORO animation which is also part of why Shiggy VS Mahito did so well
Bowser getting the edge through the power of friendship and family
It was a top tier ep
didnt i alredy told you i wanted one of my hatred for superman and my hatred for death battle
get on it
oh, i thought you meant like power level wise
nevermind then
tbf they literally can't fuck themselves with a non-popular mu or such. They could sneak them in with previous seasons but now its literally their lives/money on the line
Looks at Aang VS Traveler
Not quite. Season 10's average view count across all 16 episodes currently sits at around 3.1 Million. This is a bit better than Indie Era's average view count of about
2.4(tossing out edge cases)-2.7-2.9(tossing out Amonguys only)
First episode of the Indie Era after all the build up from the Kickstarter. Honestly you should be disappointed that it didn't have a better performance given the sheer amount of good will around Death Battle just prior to it.
Do not mistreat Thumbnail Anon.
And a good song.
Sup Thumbnail Anon. Where have you been? How are you?
Lol whatever you say, anon
Thumbnail Anon has been here the past few threads.
tbf at least they've reduced Light vs Columbo as a bonus ep rather than "tangible thing you put money on"
They can just do another kickstarter
Mike Milligan vs Mike Ehrmantraut
green lanterns are cha-
Will these two bounless beings ever meet at the crossroads of destiny?
Based, keep winning Hal.
Doing good anon, just got back from a class. How about yourself? I've been on a hectic schedule lately with morning trainings, then work, then workouts at night. Kinda doesn't give me a lot of time to get to the threads (or if I do see them, they often get nuked). But regardless, I hope you anons have been doing alright yourselves
Yujiro is beyond all concepts he easily wins.
see
That is nice to hear. Glad to have you back. Regarding myself, I am actually finishing fire academy this week in my country. This is my last week and then I am finally a professional firefighter/fireman. I have been working out a lot more, mixing weights and calisthenics and cardio so that I can join thw brigade as soon as possible. Feeling guite good.
Is this how they introduce John?
Fuckin nice anon! I'm actually set up with an interview with the state forestry department rn, so it'd be dealing with fighting forest fires. I've done my share of burns, so I know you've got your work cut out for you. Congrats, man, I hope it all works smooth for ya
If Simon assimilated a mulltiverse and was capable of fistfighting an acasual being, does that also make him acasual? or does he have so much spiral power that he's above reality warping
no, that's from o'neill doing 'I AM SILLY' comics where based leftist ollie runs circles arounds cringe conservative hal
john was introduced in the main book
Some fags treating Otoko as some sort of gotcha while leaving out it was Otoko Simon who did it to Avant Simon and that peak Simon is above both anyway. If anything it just makes it worse for Kyle because using that he can just outright absorb him
people thought Otoko could rewrite the fucking script. He can't
Hulkfag is a firefighter
Kek. Weak.
Don't call me whitey
Hal is not only cunnyfag but also racist? No wonder his power level is off the charts!
Post your job. No lying.
Congrats TNanon. That sounds amazing. Also, I appreciate the kind words. I did try college before the fire academy, but it wasn't for me. I think that reading capeshit kinda made me want to save lives and even though it sounds silly, I am pretty excited. Good luck to your future endeavours too.
OH NO!
HE'S NOT GONNA GO
3 - 0
Yes he can relatively speaking. Otoko Simon is the proverbial writer. From DC's perspective he's the guy beyond the Source making the setting and story. Same way how a writer can just make any cape job to something stupid if they want because DC is just a comic book
I...CAN'T....
kek can someone edit the speech so he's asking Hal to post feats of Kyle destroying a galaxy
Do it yourself you tranime cuck.
Fine, I will.
I... CAN'T...
physical labor jobs
college dropouts
Literal retards here.
Kratos is still the most powerful being ever featured on DB.
1 the Life Equation is self-evident; 'muh mastery' is a retarded meme for mindbroken morons
2 the Life Equation is not a ring nor has any limit
Kill yourself listtroon.
the Life Equation is not a ring nor has any limit
the problem is he can't rely on it for a sure way to win because
1. it has been resisted
2. it leaves him vulnerable
3. it's unpredictable
...'s laundry-folding section.
Grape Ape vs Magilla Gorilla
Sonic vs Bowser when?
I hope they feed Kratos to Hulk or Marvel's Thor.
Escoffier (Genshin) vs Starjun (Toriko)
Last time I checked neither of them scaled above 90 million universes.
Use yo yogi please
The Life Equation is [HEADCANON]
Meanwhile, canonically Kyle only was able to manipulate it by accident and ended up unintentionally creating an evil clone of himself while doing so
the problem is [headcanon]
The Life Equation is self-evident. Kyle isn't even a factor at that point. It's Zarathos vs Galactus all over again.
Hulkzilla entered production last month
It's not releasing until the end of the year at most
He doesnt know
Mmm, kinda tired of just proxy matches like batgirl vs spider gwen.
I guess if they're just drowning in money, they can do a smash bracket kinda thing where the matches dont really gotta make thematic sense, but its a tourney.
survived a nuke and being thrown into the moon at near FTL speeds
post a Yujiro feat better then those
They used a downplayed Kratos too
Eh? They just put him at 9 million universal
there have been several multiversal+ characters already.
They actually downplayed Kratos compared to how he is in vsbw
what is Galactus vs Unicron
h-h-head...
Oblivion existed long before that, non-reader, and he's explicitly Kyle's own dark side, literally Kyle himself gone bad. This is not the antifeat you think it is.
Also doesn't matter. The Life Equation is simply self-evident. GG no re.
Kyle literally says "I don't know how I did" but apparently its self evident, yeah alright based retard
being thrown into the moon at near FTL speeds
Source? When tf did that happen?
i-it's self evident
It's not a reliable option because it can be resisted and he can hardly control what it does! there's a 50/50 chance it could backfire. READ THE FUCKING COMICS, RETARD
The Oblivion in the new 52 story is not the same as the one from Circle of Fire, retardbro. And if it is that means that regular rookie shitter Kyle who beat Oblivion by absorbing him in Circle of Fire is stronger than his White Lantern Life Equation Godchad mode who cried like a bitch and had to make himself weaker and give up the Life Equation to strong brown alien women who could beat up the living incarnation of his muh depression instead.
>i-if I keep repeating that the Life Equation is s-self evident in spite of the tons of pages that say Kyle just does shit by accident maybe that means I'll have an argument!
Simon won btw
Yujiro easily survives any nuke and every nuke at once. He's also FTL via scsling above Baki. A younger weaker Yujiro also stopped earth's tectonic plates from shifting. Jason is also just to clumsy and brutish to actually hurt Yujiro. He'd have to use his hands because Yujiro can easily just break any of Jason's weapons.
Kyle does a thing with LE without knowing anything, the LE just does it
"s-see i-it's n-not s-self..."
The retard is (You).
So here's a hypothetical. What reason(s) for victory they could give that would piss off the most people? I'm not talking accuracy here as lets face it this is all fanfic shit anyway but some people still take it seriously anyway.
Simon absorbs the entire Source and Life Equation
Kyle time huhs successfully again
Yujiro vs Edajima Heihachi
Huh, so the Life Equation just auto wins fights for Kyle? Surely it'd be pretty easy to post feats of that happening?
DCfags would kill themselves if they ever did that first one.
Heihachi vs Yujiro? Who wins?
Regardless of who wins I bet they will add a "Time huh?" Reference somewhere
Kyle winning would piss a lot of people off, especially with a "time huh" moment, considering Simon's arsenal. But Simon absorbing the Source and the Life Equation would be non-stop shit posting about how Simon solos all of DC for years to come
That's Nappa.
Which Heihachi? The 80s one or the Tekken one who was based on the 80s one?
older than nappa btw
I C-CAAAAAAAAAAAN'T!!!!!
Them having Kyle successfully making Simon depressed with the emotion drain thing
Them having Otoko Simon rewrite the fight at its climax
Simon absorbing the source like the extradimensional labyrinth would be raven snuffing out the white room level
i-it's n-not the s-same Ob-Oblivion ch-CHUD...
LOL
LMAO
r-read
I did, but unlike you I also understand what I read and how to apply it. Kyle becoming Oblivion is not a problem in a Death Battle, so there's no 'le backfire' for him to hold out against.
b-b-but...
Simon loses; you get cucked again and will seethe eternally, as expected.
Sounds like LE is like GER. It just does it automatically without Kyle thinking about it.
Tekken Heihachi.
then post him surviving a nuke
Sentry vs Id (Xenogears)
Connections?
xenogears mentioned
Bring me Yujiro.
regular GL beat up 90s Oblivion by himself
White Lantern Life Equation Kyle got his ass kicked by 2010s Oblivion and needed a bunch of other Lanterns to help him win
DUUUURRRR THEY'RE THE SAME
OK so WL Kyle is literally just weaker than regular Kyle who struggles to make solar system constructs. Nice argument, thanks for conceding Simon GAPES the actual literal cuck I guess
Both are schizoid superhumans with split personalities, one trying to do good, the other just wanna shred everything up.
from the Jason X novels that act as sequels to the film
I wonder who would be a fun match up for Kossy?
Yujiro is easily above Nuke level to the point they dont even bothe rusing it. Yujiro's father who he scales to was able to tank a missile bombardment that completely destroyed an island. Yujiro is also stated to be above all forces of nature so radiation and heat wouldnt hurt him anyway.
It doesn't really react to the environment so much as Kyle's mental state. It went totally haywire when the Guardians tried to remove it from Kyle by force and Kyle could not control it until Highfather came in and guided him back to calm. When Kyle has control over it in the degree that but he does, he more or less wills something to happen, but he isn't sure of the specifics.
I want it so bad.
they have Kyle win
all the justifications are for base Kyle
all while using outerversal Simon
death is another "time huh?" and they accidentally kill Alien X during the clash
Can we discuss what the next fight is going to be? Just how we knew Doomslayer was going to win, we know Kyle is going to win. I hope it's something more light hearted like Tom vs Wille E. Coyote
Depends on the degree of wank,but Aigis gets thrown out a bunch.
Well it puts the Digital World within the material world rather than the inverse that some other media has said or implied.
Vegito vs Popeye would be fun.
If Simon gets Time Huh'd or loses in any way that's really simple like that.
If Simon merges with the source wall and can't drill through it.
If Simon loses to the LE (Swank'd Kyle will have it and just know how to use it).
If Kyle manipluates Simon's emotions and demotivates him
Basically anything that makes Simon go out like a bitch. If he goes out in a blaze of glory at least Simonfags would have that.
I think to piss off Kyle/DCfags all you need to do is have Simon win to piss them off to no end. Even if Simon gives him 'le respectful death'. They would just hate to see someone from DC lose
Wille E. Coyote wins that easily, better strength feats, better regeneration feats, and even if Tom had regeneration comparable Wille E. can just bypass his regeneration with multiple shit
I see people bring up that match-up. What's so special about it? What's the connection?
Would Sonic and Goku even get along? Sonic X is probably the closest to an official SEGA characterization of game Sonic, and Sonic just wants to be lazy and sleep a lot. I'd think that Goku's constant training and appetite for fighting would just get on his nerves.
He never uses it while "calm" either.
The only two times he's shown to consciously use and control it are Future's End (where it's also shown to be resisted) and when he teleports the Source Titans across the universe (which also drains him kek)
Kyle losing at all would send DCfags into a frenzy, but Simon doing it by overcoming or absorbing the source and/or life equation would absolutely be the most devastating.
I hope that happens, capefag tears would be delicious
Well I mean calm in a relative sense, cause the first encounter between him and Oblivion has Kyle cause himself to be erased by himself while mentally spiraling and the miniature Source Wall he creates is a manifestation of his internal turmoil. I guess I should have said that when he was using it with intent instead (such as trying to erase himself and Oblivion and instead failing and destroying the Kyle Wall and teleporting himself to a dead Living Planet).
Teleports Simon away
"Phew"
Simon proceeds to pop out of the ring via spiral perceptual teleportation and decks him in the face
You know just considered something on the theoretical life equation route as he can't control it and has had multiple showings of getting psyched out in a fight. If Simon genuinely convinced Kyle that he (Simon) was capable of doing the impossible, wouldn't Kyle unintentionally buff him further?
Yeah, I can't see them liking each other. Popeye and Mario, on the other hand, would be the best of friends.
Not the IDW comics? Sonic stands for freedom. I think he'd get along with Goku for that. Sonic has a no kill rule and Goku's obviously broken that, but it's always a last resort.
I'd say they'd be at least amicable toward each other. Sonic's nowhere near the fight autist that Goku is but I can imagine them hanging out to occasionally spar and chow down on some food. Probably not to go to a movie or something because Goku isn't into that
That's the lore for the V-Pet, the real life toy. It's not even new information.
I like that you can pick either Ken or Raoh and it'd work.
Didn't Itagaki make a joking statement about Yujiro fighting Raoh anyway?
Hasn't Sonic broken his own no kill rule before on the Biolizard or the Time Eater?
Unfair to Yujiro.
Even if you ignore Raoh's far higher scaling, Raoh instakills him with one hit and Yujiro doesn't have anything that would prevent Raoh from landing that hit
with Dai-Gurren being able to detect reality/time warping anomalies, this could theoretically render Kyle's time related abilities moot. If they can track the ring, they can track where Kyle is at all times.
also Erazor Djinn
Yujiro has better speed feats and skill feats. Yeah okay Raoh can kill him in one hit but try doing that on someone who's faster than you and can do this shit
All the high tiers in Hokuto no Ken have some kooky shit going on, like Han being so fast that he has no shadow, and Hyoh attacking 1100 things simultaneously, only to get stopped exactly that many times by Ken. Then there's Souten no Ken stuff that they scale to and so on.
Roah knows Musou Tensei, his just doesn't have the same technique copying Ken does because he doesn't have the same emotional connections, but that still gives him intangibility that Yujiro has no answer to.
Probably not? When Kyle was wilding the fuck out with the Life Equation the most reality warping he did was accidentally turn Carol into his old fridge gf. It's less "reality becomes whatever he can be convinced of at the time" it very much literally is just "he cannot control what he does with it, for better or for worse". Him escaping the Source Wall, him creating Oblivion, him creating a Source Wall while fighting Oblivion were all by accident and the one time he tries erasing himself and Oblivion from reality it just does not work.
Aigis vs Kos-mos is great
"The Robot Girl with the Human Soul"
and the track could be called "the Battle for your and everyones's soul."
oh my fucking god dude really? realistically, there's more of a chance he'll accidentally turn yoko into a blonde bimbo than erasing simon
you forgot to mention the nuke Jason survived was so big it went past the atmosphere and reached into outer space and Jason was in the epicenter of it
Raoh arguably does have the copying, but he doesn't have much to draw from. As he says, the closest to a "friend/rival" he had emphatised with was Toki. Technically that'd grant him access to the "soft" Hokuto style that his brother has.
Hokuto Shinken by itself already allows copying moves, as seen when Ken and Raoh pull out Nanto stuff a few times in the series, but Hokuto by itself is already broken.
Musou Tensei by itself is kind of neat in a fight with Yujiro because not only is it an absolute win-con but it also likely cannot be learnt by Yujiro as-is based on his character because it's directly coupled to the way Raoh and Ken's characters have developed.
In way it's also kind of cool because it's a "masculinity" fight, Yujiro is a man of men in Baki but in HnK, the manliest of men cry manly tears that let them use techniques that make everything else useless.
Raoh vs Akuma could be cool too
Akuma really needs his comeback after being done so dirty vs Shao
Akuma has 2 fights already, I think it'd be nice to see some new stuff.
Doesn't Akuma stomp?
HSK is fucking broken
If you really wank Fist of the North Star they can get up to continental levels, as far as I heard.
There's some really insane high balls for HnK scaling if we take everything at face value.
YOU'VE GOT SOME NERVE COMING OUT HERE
INTO THE EYE OF THE STORM
WITH A NOOSE AROUND YOUR NECK
KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DEAD
Poor Aigis
But this matchup is such a gem for potential at a whole. They both got lots of cool ultimate moves they can throw at each other.
Aigis using the EX Orgia Mode as a last rush effort and make the song chorus play just then would be the best.
youtube.com
and an original Persona like song talking about listening to your heart with an orchestra in there to give it a xeno feel would just be the best thing ever.
Also Aigis is technically on the god tier of the SMTverse since she beat a Joker with Satanael in the P3R DLC before she even gets the P4A experience and EX orgia mode.
It will cause a lot of controversy too since Kos Mos would kill.
I meant overall, not just as a death battle episode.
if someone should return is Nightmare. I think he and Soul Calibur overall got done the worst in the entire series.
Akuma can win...depending on what you give him. He can reach small planet levels with some stuff from the SFV endings and SF Duel.
Of course, with CAPCOMverse scaling he just...obliterates the Multi Continent Level Raoh has.
HnK and Souten no Ken are one of those things that operate on rule of cool to a massive degree, but the story just rolls with it.
Nah. HSK has some goofy shit along with the martial art itself having way more hax. Akuma's martial art is good for killing. HSK is good for damn near whatever the fuck you want including killing, avoidance, and even curing the blind.
Raoh arguably does have the copying, but he doesn't have much to draw from.
It has been a long but doesn't Raoh see his style as "the best" one? That's why he respects that his little brother is copying it in their last fight.
I don't know. I've always thought there was more to Akuma "sinking" his own island than meets the eye, while Fist of the North Star's highballs are reliant on cloud dispersal shit and a goofy side story that all but ruins the fights in hindsight
Would they make her a wildcard for that match up? I think that changes a lot if she's getting Messiah too
The continental shit is retarded though. It just comes from one of the shitters in the story "tanking" a 'nuke' which were shown to cover continents in a stylistic interpretation of the FOTNS apocalypse. There's also cloud shit too and people upscaling from that like 50 times.
Outside of like the OVA most FOTNS characters are legitimately like Batman tier
Yes, Raoh is very prideful. It's only at the end where he accepts Kenshiro as the man who defeated him. Even then he's too prideful to let anyone take his life, so he kills himself in one of the most iconic manga pages of all time.
Aigis gets stomped hard and Personababs too young to even know what Xenogears is would cry rivers about Kos-mos win
Bring him Pennywise
Bring him Krueger
Bring him anyone
He'll saw them in half
Don't give a shit about either but I want Aigis to win just so proud retards like you shut up.
Oh yeah, Wild Card and EX Orgia Mode and SATANAEL Joker Scaling too (even tho he is like a dream or echo or something.)
But even with SMT scaling, there is nothing she can do against End game Kos mos or for the finale, Mary Magnalene.
"Limiter removed. Power to the upmost possible degree...
X- BUSTER!"
And then vaporizing Aigis on a full on beam blast.
I personally don't think they get to continental levels but aside from a few anti-feats (that also get feats against them like Raoh having skin hard enough to break weapons, while arrows pierce skin on some fighters like Ken at different points, rule of cool and all), it seems somewhat consistent toward the end of the series that "oh shit, kung fu jesus shows up and the sky literally splits apart"
Of course it's kind of silly, but it's still happening somehow. And Raoh himself directly did his own cloud feat.
stuff from the SFV endings and SF Duel.
well what the fuck are those?
What's he supposed to do against Pennywise?doesnt he just turn into whatever Art is afraid of and BTFO him with deadlights? Art wouldnt be able to actually comprehend what Pennywise is in their first encounter.
So how strong is she? Saying the name of an attack doesn't help much.
aigis does beat like 2B and likely Noel Vermillion too tbf
eeeh not feeling like looking that up rn but stuff like the honda and hakan meteor burst and in SF Duel Bison uses his power to burn a shadaloo logo over the planet.
it should be on vsbw or something
Not that anon but if you ask me, things like Kenshiro fighting Falco and the sky splitting above them, that was more spiritual than, IDK, tons of TNT stuff
I mean it could be but at the same time Raoh literally does a similar feat in his EXIT and Falco is directly compared to Raoh before Musou Tensei.
Kos-mos has shit that would make doomguy's dick hard. Aigis would get fucked.
aigis does beat like 2B and likely Noel Vermillion too tbf
Okay? My point was you're acting like a moron over this. The fact you're bringing up 'personababs' crying over this MU just SCREAMS rent free. Is Kos-Mos stronger? Maybe, I don't care. The way you're acting is just kind of sad.
There's a few times we see guys like Ken wounded by handheld weapons it also almost soley is just used to make him look cool for walking around with a bunch of arrows and shit in him. Then Raoh goes and does this while Ken lets giant steel bars bend on him. The consistency is all over the place, but it tells us that HnK wasn't written by someone interested in power scaling.
Cope and seethe
What's Sonic's win condition? What does he have? Does Bowser get everything? Do party games count?
meme response
Have fun letting this random JRPG series live rent free in your head?
Shitty dull apocalypse weapons
Nothing when compared to empty hand style.
Nah Noel wins assuming you give her Mu-12
With Falco, you kind of get the idea that it wasn't them sending shockwaves several kilometers into the air. It was like, correspondence and stuff
Interracial....? Holy YUM
Whatever Bowser got in his Death Battle vs Whatever Sonic had in his Death Battle plus Frontiers/Shadow Gen stuff because I don't think that was out at the time. Win condition is the same as any other Death Battle.
Isn't Noel technically Amaterasu too? Unless Aigis scales really high against reality warping, Noel would basically be writing the fight.
Favorite character?
Favorite death battle?
CHADtos
Sounds fun. Don't think Sonic got time stones or Super Emeralds in his Death Battle so he might have an issue there. Maybe Super sonic 2 could overwealm Bowser?
Art isn't just a clown after Terrifier 1, he's possessed by a demon and can't be killed. He has also displayed no genuine fear, any fear he presents is just him fucking with his victims
It was formulated and released during the reboot project, so that to me says that it is part of the whole strategy to unify the series' explanations and lore.
I did manage to find a blog that went over a more complete review of the book.
digitalworldarchive.wordpress.com
And a translation of the initial 'lore' section:
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Even if we don't agree on the interpretation, I hope you find it interesting.
Pretty sure Persona outdimensions Blazblue
Regardless, it was just to show the seething anon that i dont have anything against Aigis.
Goku vs Superman 1, 2 and 3 of course!
He can be "killed" and rendered inert fine enough as far as a fight is concerned.
Well Erazor Djinn survived though, he just got trapped in the lamp.
To this anon, I think you were thinking of a Pitbull, but I guess bulldog it is
He can have some kind of fear. Pennywise is also an elderich monster older than time. His headlights should just immediately btfo Art. Pennywise then just consumes Art and Art is pretty much dead forever. Art has never been consumed by an elder God so I'm doubting he could survive it with his form of immortality.
Gorilla after weight training with Human for 5 years and taking every steroid known to man
Sure, but again, this isn't a one-time thing. Kaioh does it too.
Nevertheless, if they did an actual DB I have my doubts they'd ignore the Gaidens (at least the ones that don't directly fuck the canon, e.g. not Ryuken's) and the movie because they'd love some way to hype things up. They also part a storm cloud in Souten no Ken (alongside some other bullshit)
i think the dark clouds splitting apart and Raoh's spirit ascending to heaven were somewhat intrinsically connected in more ways than just biggatons. but the opposite is also valid in how it's presented in the manga. the anime made it seem like a spiritual experience, if only because it didn't fully adapt that page where Raoh's chi shoots into the sky and the clouds whorl around it.
I guess it depends on your interpretation. I don't feel too comfortable seeing guys like Ken and Raoh as people who could karate chop the Moon in half, you know?
Kaioh does it too.
Nevermind this, brainfart.
That's fine. I just don't think a real DB would ignore this stuff since it's really prominent.
Pitbulls vs French philosophers
Winner gets to have their way with the local orphanage
Pitbull, why? Mr Worldwide no-sold Anon Babble, he would stomp a T-Rex
What's a good Matchup for Frank Stone (The Casting of Frank stone)?
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Simon only goes up to Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann for no stated reason.
Would be totally on brand too.
An actually good studio
Behaviour or Supermassive?
i like DBD, im so fucking mad at what they're doing
One of the Dead By Daylight guys
I hate how DB has a tendency to rush transformations because we can't have battles longer than 3 minutes for some retarded reason
It's crazy how Yujiro has like...ten different match ups and the worst one is like, vs Toguro and even that is still a fun MU
Budget is usually the reason.
Didn't Kos-mos show up in one of the Xenosaga games?
He's a fun character
Yujiro copies flicking air bullets
Yujiro Vs. Sportacus is the only good match because it'd be a match of 'who can pull more shit out of their ass more"
B*haviour
Watching DbDs slow decline is sad
Ironically his lamest matchup is with Shen Wulong, from the series Baki is usually pitted against in vs debates and hypothetical crossovers
How's this
On the topic of HnK, what's a good 2nd Kenshiro matchup? Jojo's a bit overdone IMO.
He'd be pretty good, and would play off Kenshiro much better than Jotaro or other "big strong angry stoic guys" would
Quite nice, thank you.
Could you do one with normal Magilla Gorilla as well, please?
touches Vash
he explodes
Great match
Maybe a Fallout character or Judge Dredd or something
It's fairly unlikely Hokuto Shinken would fully work on Vash because he's not actually a human
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Violence Jack and Devilman come to mind, but they're even less suited for powerscaling than Kenshiro and their continuity is a mess.
Not necessarily a good matchup, but could Iron Fist be fun?
What happened?
One, Vash is not human and does not have the usual pressure points Kenshiro can target
Two, Mahito vs Shigaraki was literally a match about who can land their one hit kill first and it's one of the best received episodes of the show
iron fist
Animation is expensive.
THEY SET UP A FUNDRAISER
You saw how a longer fight like Kratos vs Asura went
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I think you underestimate just how expensive animation is.
Vash is not human and does not have the usual pressure points Kenshiro can target
That's true, but the one time he met someone with the ability to forego normal pressure points, he was able to reveal new ones with Tenha Kassatsu, which just works using basically ki. If Kenshiro wants to win with regular pressure points he'd have to work for it at least, which would be cool.
WL Oblivion is Kyle without holding back negative emotions. He's just that strong. Continue coping listtroon.
Ken knows Nanto styles as well, he can just cut him
Ken knows almost every style in the HnK manga perfectly thanks to Musou Tensei, I think the only one that's probably kind of up in the air might be Hokuto Ryuken since it requires Matoki to work which Kenshiro 100% isn't using, but he's got all the other reasons to be able to use it. But at least he has Gento Koken and things like that, which is broken in its own way.
u? mad!
Yeah don't get me wrong, I don't think it's "Vash is fully immune to Hokuto Shinken so he wins" it's more "both sides have ways of potentially one shotting each other so it comes down to fun ability interactions or certain stats and which one can land it first"
Also their personalities would gel nicely in an actual fight, two stoic guys fighting isn't that interesting
On one hand, Souther simply had reversed pressure points and heart facing-position. Once Kenshiro had learned that, he started handling Souther. On the other hand, Raoh was legitimately afraid to fight him which says a lot given that Raoh typically just smashes his enemies as opposed to full on HnK techniques
Reminder, Oh No Spammer has and will go to Anon Babble and complain and spam the same shit xhe does here over there. It's beyond obsession at this point.
Ryu. Character-wise, they're shockingly similar.
Yeah but Souther just had a reversed body plan. Vash is straight up not a human and instead an alien race called a Plant (it is wordplay off both flora plants and power plants). And even beyond that he is an exception among Plants as an Independent.
building in the DC universe can tank Cyborg million decibel, this is a multiversal feat.
Caps out at universal
Nobody tell him
Actual obsession and cry for attention. Pathetic, as expected of the kaijutard.
Yeah, Tenha Kassatsu is a Successor technique, which Kenshiro has. Raoh is not the successor, so Ryuken never taught him the successor techniques (like Soryu Tenha). It speaks more to how Raoh was able to nearly stalemate Ken and outlast Toki in a fight that he made do with either stealing techniques or refining his old style. At the end with their last fight it's all kind of broken down to fisticuffs, because nothing but Musou Tensei would work on the other anyway.
Nice deflection. Got actual screen shot proof that you go to Anon Babble and spam. First one isn't me though.
Not false, but I think for the sake of an interesting Vs. allowing it instead of putting a question mark would make it more interesting.
Can the pressure point attacks in Hokuto no Ken be countered by having a strong enough body?
Screenshoting your own falseflags is purely pathetic obsession. My ISP has never logged on Anon Babble and never will, no matter how much you cry and seethe, moron.
Actual obsession and cry for attention. Pathetic, as expected of the kaijutard.
Meanwhile on Anon Babble
this falseflag I posted is totally you
Pathetic. Obsessed. Get a life, retard.
It'd say (You) if it was me, Oh No Schizo.
Yes and no. Kenshiro when fighting a guy whose skin had become as strong as steel had to hit a pressure point to soften him up, which wouldn't work on someone like Luke where his super hard skin is just part of who he is.
It can be countered by being really fat... Up to a certain point, the guy still died. If you know Hokuto Shinken you can also slowly cancel out certain pressure points through ki bullshit, or by pressing your own.
How many world cups does Asura have?
inb4 one of the following excuses
YOU USED YOUR PHONE
INSPECT ELEMENT
Meh. Meta Vs. Carolina was unironically better.
i saw the oh no spam on Anon Babble
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Low IQ can't even falseflag correctly LMFAO
Asura plays cricket, you inconsiderate westerner
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How would you know, you use your PS3 to post on here kek
kaijutard is this obsessed and mindbroken
kek a job well done
Sounds to me like you've been busy, obsessed over a fictional dinosaur and a fictional green guy. Going to even Anon Babble? Wow. I don't even go to toy. My ISP has NEVER been to Anon Babble.
It's funny because Raoh turns that guy into mincemeat in the movie that is, and at least in the previous DB they were using the movie for feats. I guess it fits that Raoh also gets hard enough to break weapons on his skin later in the actual series.
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I-I'm n-not obsessed...
u? MAD.
gets called out and resorts to parroting
Sad, Oh No Shcizo.
Kinda, Raoh btfo'd that guy with his ki alone
Just like Naruto vs Luffy, A (hopefully) unbiased analysis of Kyle vs Simon. Note: I’m not really all that educated on either so feel free to correct me.
Let's get the elephant out of the room first. If the full extent of DC’s incredibly inconsistent cosmology and Kyle’s supposed power within it is used, Kyle Rayner is an Outerversal+++ giga-deity and god-stomps with no difficulty. This interpretation won’t be used in my analysis because obviously.
Strength
Advantage Simon:
While sure Kyle can keep up with the top members of the League and perhaps even surpass them sometimes, he’s not a physical fighter nor is he chucking universes around like frisbees anytime soon. Though the disparity is not so wide as to be crippling, especially since Kyle has a myriad of abilities to keep up.
Durability/Resistance
Relative:
The Green Lantern and by extension White Lantern Ring have a plethora of incredibly solid defenses built in against all kinds of things that Kyle has demonstrated, while Simon just brute forces through situation with raw stats and Adaption. So right out of the box, Kyle is gonna have a ton more protections and Simon will gain all the protections he needs throughout the fight.
Stamina/Endurance
Major Advantage to Simon:
With Kyle having unlimited charge, he’s theoretically able to fight forever. Though this doesn’t mean he can tank hits forever, with him having to pull out his more powerful abilities to clinch any prolonged fight he gets into. While Simon is a straight up endurance fighter, able to take full advantage of Spiral Energy to take anything thrown his way, adapt and evolve, and then overwhelm the opponent.
IQ/Battle IQ/Skill
Advantage to Kyle:
While both are prodigious fighters and users of their powers, Kyle Rayner has been using his and fighting enemies of relative or even superior strength for far, far longer and is known to be one of the most creative of all Lanterns.
y u freakin out? u mad? u butthurt? u bum ravaged? u prostate damaged?
has dents punched into his head
flexes them out
gets ki blasted through a mountain
turns into a menger sponge
that was some goofy ass shit
Depends on how its set up, if its everything bloodline then probably anne. If no last ep forms because they require other people then Luz freezes or turns her to stone. Technically titan luz should also be able to turn anne to stone on contact as belos does it in human form. Yes basic luz knows petrification, she just chose not to use it in the show.
Abilities
Major Advantage to Kyle:
With Kyle and his White Lantern having the abilities of ALL the Lantern Corps plus the Life Equation, he’s got all kinds of nonsense to throw at Simon. Combined with the Lanterns constantly supplying him knowledge on how to optimally use all his abilities, Kyle has a truly massive and potent arsenal. Simon however “just” has Spiral Power and his big ass mech. While those two things may be all Simon needs back in his home universe, here his relative lack of versatility may prove to be his undoing.
Hax
Relative, Favoring Simon:
While Kyle has oodles and oodles of various Lantern and LE stuff, Spiral Power is just built different. Even top-tier DC characters are infamously absolute dog water at handling opponents that possess constant and rapid Evolution and Adaptation. Considering that Simon is essentially a human and arguably even better version of Doomsday, Kyle’s gonna have a really tough time of it. Though that isn’t to say that Kyle can’t keep up with his massive arsenal by any means.
Wincons
Advantage to Simon:
As much as Spiral Power is indeed amazing, if Kyle puts Simon down before his Spiral Power can fully kick in and overwhelm him, he’s more than got the fight. And indeed, Kyle is certainly not lacking in ways to get rid of Simon. Simon meanwhile has to bear through all of Kyle's various bullshit and get him with an amped Giga-drill, which may very well be near impossible.
Overall Winner
Could Genuinely Go Either Way:
I know it’s a cop out, but I can’t really decide a winner, nor would I be mad with either of them being the victor as long as it isn’t decided with some “Time Huh” tier nonsense. Kyle has everything he needs to be able to kill Simon, and Simon could eventually adapt and drill Kyle. Unfortunately “row row fight the power” is not enough to guarantee Simon a win, and Kyle being The Chosen One isn’t either.
Anything 3A or above in capeshit or shounen is midwit fan fiction
F-F-FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKK
That's why HnK is fun
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but only works on the microscopic (literally plank-level) scale, fundamentally doesn't work with largery theory of gravity
Nothing personell, kid
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holy FUARK
I can't...even keep up with this
Reminder, Terry became Hulk Hogan because when he sat next to Lou Farigno, he was bigger than him physically. Marvel then had to pay an undisclosed amount of money to WWWF/WWF/WWE/WCW for years, and it still happens with Disney paying Vince a pretty penny every time they want to use Bruce Banner in a comic or movie or cartoon.
so, yknow how they partnered with Supermassive to make an entire story about this guy, Frank Stone? and it ends on him becoming a killer in the entity's realm?
well, get excited for the Trapper's new skin; because they did that instead of making it a chapter in itself.
Raoh's touki (fighting aura) is so retarded even in the main series that it literally punches for him, not even as a hallucination, he's called KEN-OH (fist king) even.
I checked out that guy's appearance in the manga, at least I'm pretty sure it's the same guy; don't the dents in his face imply Raoh use the same nullifying technique Kenshiro did before finishing him off with his Ki blast?
It went over his head
It's plausible, but never explained in the movie. Raoh's whole thing is using a "hard style" focused on power, so I can buy him just brute forcing through it. Though it's definitely harder than steel given he just dismantles his sword instantaneously right before he goes for the kill.
Ken should fight Perfect Cell.
No character in capeshit and Shounen have never actually came close to destroying an IRL universe.
Fictional Multiverses/Omniverses are actually smaller in cosmology and complexity than 1 IRL universe and those authors basically jobbed at science.
If you were to compare scifi to fantasy (like they do on space battles) you might as well invent two new tiers and then drop everyone in capeshit and fiction down to sub 3A.
Kyle (DC): Assuming you're referring to Kyle Rayner, the Green Lantern from DC Comics. He's a highly skilled and powerful wielder of the Green Lantern ring, capable of creating virtually anything he imagines with his willpower, along with considerable combat skills and experience.
Simon the Digger (TTGL): From Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Simon is a skilled Spiral Warrior with exceptional combat abilities, access to powerful mechas like Gurren Lagann and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, and the ability to draw upon immense energy sources, making him extremely formidable on a planetary or even galactic scale.
Battle Analysis:
Power Level & Abilities: Simon's Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is portrayed as a universe-level threat, capable of destroying entire galaxies. His combat experience and ability to access increasingly powerful forms make him an overwhelmingly powerful opponent.
Kyle's Capabilities: While Kyle is a formidable Green Lantern with vast constructs and abilities, his power is generally portrayed as planetary or sometimes solar system level, depending on the story arc. He has no known feats of universe-level destruction.
Conclusion:
Given Simon the Digger's depiction as a universe-destroying entity in Gurren Lagann, he would likely overpower Kyle (DC) in a direct confrontation, especially considering the scale of his abilities. Kyle's constructs and powers are impressive but probably insufficient against Simon's cosmic-level capabilities.
Final Verdict: Simon the Digger would likely win against Kyle (DC) in a battle of raw power and scale.
With Kyle having unlimited charge
This is very debatable and is very blatantly not the case in one of the major White Lantern Kyle stories.
Kyle Rayner has been using his and fighting enemies of relative or even superior strength for far, far longer
Kyle has fought a much greater variety of enemies but it's debatable if he's been doing it for longer. Gurren Lagann has a 7 year timespan, I don't believe Kyle has been active for that long in comics. There's also the whole 'Simon absorbs every version of himself across the multiverse' but that seems like vs wank.
Also his 'creativity' amounts to him using more pop culture references in his constructs, not actually using his constructs necessarily more intelligently than other Lanterns.
Combined with the Lanterns constantly supplying him knowledge on how to optimally use all his abilities
Not a thing.
The variety afforded to him by the other Lantern colors are literally just...differently colored constructs. He makes some soldiers love the people they're shooting once, and that's pretty much it on his 'emotional manipulation'.
The connection isn't there IMO, also Cell statchecks even if Ken could blow him up with hax thanks to regen.
Alright, what is this anime
Also the only way for Ken to even keep a fight like that going is basically to do it entirely in Musou Tensei. Or maybe using Soryu Tenra since he's the Successor and should be able to do what Kasumi does but better, but then you have to figure if Kenshiro physically statchecks Cell.
Connection is they are both perfect and handsome.
Statchecks cell without Ki* that is
wandering warrior who uses martial arts to help the weak
Ryu
martial artist with ridiculous one-shot killing powers
Gene from God Hand
I guess there's also Karate Kid or Shang Chi, but the previous two have better connections and good scaling for fights. There's also been Guts and, while I understand the narrative similarity between the two, Kenshiro would unironically do pic to the dragonslayer
Throw in 2B, EVE, and Curly and it's a 5-way robochick fight.
Sakigake Otokojuku (lit. man school)
The most knuckleheaded 80s anime. It was so masculine and militaristic it got canceled after like 35 episodes, but it prevented Jojo from being adapted after HnK by stealing its spot, funnily enough.
Pretty fun show though, turns into a dumb fun fighting manga halfway through. The manga has the most insane tournament arc ever and goes on for much longer. As long as you don't take it too seriously, it's enjoyable IMO.
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I can't find any reason to think Guts isn't eviscerated by Kenshiro in an actual no holds barred fight. Though Ken would probably hit him with one of Toki's painless moves at the end of a real DB. I'd put better bets on a Ken vs Femto fight because of how much Destiny is brought up in HnK, at one point even being broken.
I think that the berserker armor should be able to save Guts from Hokuto techniques (regular strips of metal held Jagi's together and stopped it from exploding) but that's assuming that Kenshiro doesn't just tear the armor to shreds.
Gene
I love the guy but he's not lasting long against Kenshiro
The V-Pet lore isn't meant to synergize with the anime or games which follow their own lore. And past anime would maintain it's own thing despite that.
The same reason why Survive's complete divergence from the lore wasn't a retcon either.
Yeah I suppose that's fair. Tenha Kassatsu does reveal pressure points I think. Unfortunately Ken iis just one of those dudes that is going to invite this sort of "Can you beat his one thing?"
Shang Chi vs Richard Dragon would be better. Master of Kung Fu vs Kung Fu Master.
Karate Kid is for Yujiro.
it's your time Riki
I mean there's always Rei's nanto that he could use.
Musou Tensei also seemed to just straight up erase Raoh's armor when Ken and Raoh passed through each other.
I thought that the White Lantern had unlimited charge, guess not. The Major Advantage to Simon becomes more Major I guess.
Though Kyle has been around since 1994, so the exp advantage still stands. The creativity is just something I heard so it may not impact the fight.
And I wanted to give Kyle everything he should theoretically have because I don't want PIS to be a factor in the fight, and plus it doesn't really matter as Simon wiould inevitably Mahoraga through most all of it.
row row row your boat
fuck you you don't control my life
lets boat sink
gently down the stream
I thought that the White Lantern had unlimited charge
Depends on the story I believe, the White Lanterns are pretty vague in general and some writers just kinda do whatever.
Let's not even bring up Bendis.
if Ken could bypass his regeneration then he could probably win because Cell's main weakness is being too arrogant so would let Ken get some free hits like with Mr Satan
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Lol chill, it's just banter
Cell is just too durable unless you factor in Soryu Tenra, but at that point Ken can't use a plausible anti-regen hax through Gento Koken either so it's kind of moot. Though I'm not sure Cell could regen in Soryu Tenra if it still worked like it should.
This feels like such a redux of Krasura, right down to versatility man vs adaptation man with size disparity to boot
Arguably it extends to Goku vs Superman as well with Goku having amazing combat growth while Superman has a larger bag of bullshit
Adaptation Man never wins in these scenarios as Versatility Man has multiple win cons that could end the fight at any point before adaptation man becomes too much
He does send people flying into the horizon with his hits
T-Rexsissies will say the right will win
there's also the possibility of the ring's energy being absorbed or the ring being destroyed. we don't know if the white ring can be destroyed, but we do know other lantern rings have been broken in the past. while kyle could try and drain simon's spiral power, it's still infinite. but lantern ring energy can only last for so long
Listtroon only comes here to seethe and... 'troll', I guess. Better to just flag and ignore all his posts.
Unfortunately trve. DB almost never takes Adaptation into account (Broly, Hulk, Saiyans, Spawn, Sonic, etc.) , but I wanted to incorporate it because it is kinda Simon's thing.
I guess, but since both power sources are effectively infinite it quickly turns into Flash vs Sonic where it becomes fucking irrelevant
There's probably some story that says the Lantern rings can recharge infinitely. The problem is that White Lantern was a thing for a limited time and when it was a thing they very clearly said the emotional power reservoir is finite. The fact that the emotional reservoir is finite is also what eventually leads to Kyle getting the Life Equation in the first place. I feel like that's just something you just can't ignore.
Though Kyle has been around since 1994
Was moreso talking about the sliding timescale. In-universe, Kyle is still regarded as a bit of a rookie who goes off a bit half-cocked and needs to be reined in by his superiors like John or Hal. Though tbf I'm just playing devil's advocate and I do think Kyle ultimately wins this point if you don't go with "Simon absorbed all memories and experience of his alternate selves".
Kyle's one big win condition imo is the Life Equation since yeah, it does have feats of reshaping the whole DC universe which because of DC autism is more impressive than TTGL. But Kyle trying to erase his opponents with the Life Equation has failed in the past and he just can't control or use it very well. Even this page here says he had no idea how he reshaped reality to give him what he wanted.
Kyle's charge isn't unlimited and can/has been drained
If we haven't seen it happen then it probably can't. They both can never run out of energy. It literally boils down to hax.
Kyle can't use the LE properly, unless they just mix him with Futures End Kyle where people still didn't get mind wiped by him and some random woman no sold him. We didn't see him use it as a weapon so that's out of the question and we know Simon could no sell it too then.
The Source Wall was summoned by accident, we don't see him make one in Futures End. It can be broken and Kyle got out by accidentally fucking with it while he was in. They don't really say 'how' he did it. If it's willpower based then Simon can deal with that.
If Simon has no time travel counters then he could just get time huh'd. But does Kyle just go back in time to Episode 1 Simon? He could try to get a cheap shot in a minute before the fight but I don't know if a boot is going to kill Simon like it did Ben.
Manhattan destroys the ring, it's why he doesn't have it anymore. Simon shouldn't be stronger than Manhattan but significantly weaker characters have drained the ring just fine.
yeah with Cosmology the LE just guaranteed one-taps lmao
it has been adressed, Kyle may very well have limited stamina while Simon could fight probably forever and only ever get better at it
that's essentially the problem here. the LE is inconsistent both as a story element and as an ability. It's RNG at worst and knowing a character comparable to Simon RESISTED it, it's possible Simon can just say "fuck you" and drill him while he's vulnerable
Life Equation is extremely flimsy between him never having learned how to actually use it, and the one glimpse we've had of it being "mastered" in non canon had it get no sold by Simon lite with Kyle confirming one can resist the life equation if they embody enough willpower and emotions which is what spiral power is
If Kyle gets Simon out of the mech what's his counter to this?
Simon wins, why is still even still a discussion?
If Simon has no time travel counters then he could just get time huh'd.
there is the possibility that they can track him similar to how they tracked nia in the 10th and 11th' universes. all Simon needs to do is notice Kyle's ring once and they'll be locked onto him
Simon and Kyle both have basically infinite stats
however Kyle is susceptible to energy draining and his power source is inherently not infinite
Simon on the other hand can drain energy and he generates his own power infinitely
Kyle did have one thing that Simon had no way of overcoming, the Life Equation, but ultimately did not have much control over it and indeed tries giving it up in more than one story precisely because he realizes he cannot control it
This would make for the cleanest/best narrative for the fight's conclusion imo. They could give Kyle the win maybe via massive scaling chains and dimensionshit but that sounds very messy
If Simon has no time travel counters then he could just get time huh'd. But does Kyle just go back in time to Episode 1 Simon? He could try to get a cheap shot in a minute before the fight but I don't know if a boot is going to kill Simon like it did Ben.
- Prime Simon is Acausal before anything
- Spiral Scan picks up on all possible points in space-time, allowing for teleportation directly to Kyle regardless
- Probability Altering Missiles (at least 10^68 of them)
Wincons are
LE works, Source Wall works, Kyle can travel back in time quick enough to kill Simon in the past.
Simon overpowering and outlasting Kyle or no selling LE/Source Wall or evolving to constantly adapt to any of his bullshit.
I think overall, Kyle POTENTIALLY has an easier win con under certain circumstances but Simon has a dozen more wincons that can be easily achieved.
If Kyle is just hyper god tier with the fucking LE he just snaps Simon out of existence before the fight even starts and the match is 1 second long of seeing a png of Simon doing a cross fade dissolve.
Is shin Godzilla the most literal “potential man” character?
No, that's Kyle
Why is Simon pronounced like that?
They could give Kyle the win maybe via massive scaling chains and dimensionshit
This is 100% happening
If Kyle is just hyper god tier with the fucking LE he just snaps Simon out of existence
that would be the case here if not for the fact that there are more comics where he fucks things up with it, than masters it.
They could give Kyle the win maybe via massive scaling chains and dimensionshit
This is 100% NOT happening
how many times are we going to go over this? scaling means jack shit because kyle has never really done anything destructive on the same scale as superman or thor. he got fucked by a city level explosion for god's sake
His name is wordplay. Shimo means under, so his name is Simon but is pronounced like Shimon.
cmon you know thats disengenious
This is the same show that said a character who was moving too slow to keep up with a character moving at exactly the speed of light, was actually 1500 times the speed of light in that same fight
They will say whatever they need to to have the character they want win
You mean intentionally feminine? Do you understand psyops and limited hangouts? The audience is always the target.
Hax > Durability
It's how Spawn won, it's how Joker won, it's how Gojo won and so on.
And it will also be how Kyle wins.
Didn't they argued that Apocalypse could drain the yellow ring?
Correct. Kyle's hax outscale Simon's. He's never had to deal with anything that complex before.
Probably but he's just a shitty successor to hal. say what you want about Simon but at the very least he actually proves he's not a pushover during the timeskip arc
Nah in this scenario Simon is the one with the better hax overall as well as willpower which is the actual name of the game.
I never made any judgements of their character, as it does not matter in a vs discussion. I personally have not consumed either media, so I reserve my judgement unless it is of their capabilties.
I'd argue that the gave Gojo the win through Hollow Purple to argue that Makima wouldn't be able to come back from total disintegration. I think the issue is that Makima's Control is far too powerful for these sorts of debates to be generally applicable without implementing generous verse equalization.
I forget, did they give Darkseid antilife hax? I don't recall it working on Thanos if it did. Obviously Darkseid is more synonymous with that than Kyle is with the life equation
Nah, they just gave him his true form and said that it massively outscales (it does)
Redirect, and Adam not showing any experience with it. It shouldn't have even been included.
Yeah Thanos resisted anti-life with IG but true form Darkseid clinched the win
Does True Form even really exist though? Or is it limited to just a certain interpretation of canon?
Thanos is technically already an expression of Anti-Life.
True but Limitless is what got Gojo to that point.
Simon's hax are entirely plot armour, which doesn't work out very well in Death Battle.
Yeah, row row fight the powah doesn't work against the big kids.
It does. It's weird because there's different interpretations of it. Originally it used to be that 'true' Darkseid was just the guy who lives on Apokolips and he could make avatars. Then Morrison made it so 'true Darkseid' was just his essence unfreed from his avatar container that could leak out and corrupt/destroy all reality.
Then they just made it basic 'true Darkseid is an incomprehensible eldritch god that interacts with the lower universe using his avatar' recently. Which....is what he was supposed to be originally, but now the 'true' thing is treated as even higher than Apokolips. Jack Kirby rolls in his grave.
Yeah Simon has overall more win cons and exploits comparatively. Plus the general nature of spiral power as he can feasibly just evolve past everything. The sheer scale is also too much. Realistically Kyle isn't going to be able to concentrate with all the shit going on.
Kirby was a power guy. He'd understand the need for escalation. In fact, he contributed to it through his work on Hunger Dogs and Super Powers, both of which were referenced copiously by Morrison in his work.
the thing with Kyle's hax is that they aren't very good
but- the LE-
Inconsistent and has been shown to be resisted by opponents similar to Simon. meaning that willpower is an advantage here
time huh
they could track his ring and warp right to him.
what if source wall-
very unlikely to happen. and even then, theoretically, Simon can warp past it. Kyle would have to actually lure Simon there as a last resort. It would be pretty cowardly if you ask me.
Simon can warp past it
There isn't a 'past it'
They gave it to him but it was mostly a footnote, a tab mentions that Thanos could resist it due to the Infinity Gauntlet.
n-no u
lol enjoy your impending meltdown and shitting yourself until then.
He called Darkseid a paper tiger.
Does anybody have the interview where the guy asks Kirby "who's stronger between Thing and Hulk" and Kirby says that's the dumbest question he's ever been asked?
yeah but [headcanon]
Kyle won.
there is a literal panel showing some bitch resisting the LE
And he mostly is. The cosmology itself denies and resists him, especially in Final Crisis.
There isn't a 'past it'
Then Simon could warp directly to Kyle, wherever that "is"
noncanon btw
Kyle literally let her win, speedreader-kun
Which is an outcome Kyle desired.
The match is supposed to be on neutral ground so the source wall really isn't a factor outside of potentially the shitty one Kyle made that you can just fly over
I was about to snarkily say 'what about new mexico' but then I just realized. How can the source wall even be a win con when this would be comparatively smaller than an atom next to all of STTGL? it would probably take centuries to fully convert simon
n-noncanon btw
source?
Warps inside the source
I think a lot of people don't realize what the source wall is.
This is what happens to Simon after he leaves
Ultimately my take is that this fight sucks because Death Battle format should favor Makima (both going for kill, no prior knowledge of one another) since she would just do Control and make her opponent an hero.
But that would suck as an animation, so they tweak the rules out of favor for Makima.
After that they interpreted Control further into Gojo's favor so that his mental fatigue reduction would wipe it and occurred automatically.
This isn't to say that I necessarily wanted Makima to win, I just didn't want Makima at all because she should always take the typical DB scenario.
it's pretty instant. Simon touches that by accident and the best case he has is ditching STTGL and hoping the other mechs aren't hit by it too
It's a non canon future vision to spook Kyle, but that said its literally all we got. That Kyle explains that it can be resisted with the rando bitch who would go on to become one of the new white lanterns outright no selling it. Test or not, Kyle says how the LE isn't actually all powerful
future's end gets directly brought up in the mainline comics themselves, it is effectively canon
he let her win
he let her win the fight because she could resist it in the first place
This would have unironically been a better matchup for Kyle
In a death battle he would not let Simon win. Show me one (1) death battle where the loser goes "oh shit, you're stronger than me. I give up. Kill me"
Mine is the drill that will break the heavens!
Mexican's special ability is erecting a wall
Fuck, I meant to post this
Which, again, is an outcome Kyle desired.
so that anon was pulling shit out of his ass and again it's established that the LE is not a reliable option here
Irrelevant to the mechanics in question.
Luke mindrape both Kyle and Simon
future's end gets directly brought up in the mainline comics themselves
Futures End only gets brought up as a bad end future that is prevented, like Future State.
That one would've been more fun than entertaining the inanities of mindbroken weebs, honestly.
that's ultimately irrelevant. it's been resisted
it's established that the LE is not a reliable option here
If Kyle wanted her dead, she would be dead. Simple as.
Kek
rajesh-kun, i'm not saying kyle would throw the fight the minute simon resists his shitty mathematics, i'm merely saying he did not let this random bitch resist the life equation, that was all her
In a death battle
You resisted it? Okay
Thwomp Source Wall
n-no u
The wishes of the guy with the wish powers are absolutely relevant. You may need a stronger cope lol
Tbh the weebs kind of rule this board.
Drills through it
NOOOO Y-YOU AREN'T ALLOWED!
It's a wall dude. Drills go through walls. Aren't you supposed to be creative?
so it's still canon that the LE can be resisted then. if said event is brought up in the mainline story, it shouldn't be disregarded
corrupt/destroy all reality
Rocks, chair, words
I hate capeshit so much
has the source wall ever even been evaded successfully before?
Yeah I recognize that the current Darkseid concept is something more akin to an Anti-YHWH, hence the "Darkseid is" sort of thing. I also feel like DC is going to have him come back from whatever his current state is and lose again.
how do you 'evade' a stationary object
headcanon
The simple fact is Simon hasn't dealt with that shit before and would lose.
If by 'rule' you mean sperg out and paint the walls with their own feces, I guess.
Evade sure. The thing's not moving. If you mean interact with it / get through it / get out of it. Also yes.
From Roshi's perspective that's how Jiraya went out.
If you mean interact with it / get through it / get out of it. Also yes.
okay yeah that's what I meant my mistake. I mean bypassing its effects and escaping being turned to a statue
It's less 'escalation' and more 'Morrison misunderstood the story' and then 'authors misunderstood Morrison'
Darkseid always was an incomprehensible god from beyond reality who interacted with the lower worlds with his agents of darkness and corruption. But then Apokolips went from 'a new plane of reality that can only be accessed via the technology of the gods, with planets the size of galaxies' to 'yeah just some other planet in the universe you can just fly to'. So authors had to invent a new layer 'above' Apokolips.
No I mean literally dominate it. Every other thread is waifu this, loli that. There are threads made for japanese subs of western cartoons and toonami generals are the fastest moving thread on this board. Anon Babble has kind of abandoned its unique culture as one of the most creative boards on this board and no longer makes any worthwhile oc so you are left with what I've mentioned.
It's kind of up in the air and decided by the author.
How strong is Magical Trevor?
that's... not really the answer I was expecting. jesus dc comics suck at being consistent
Counter, the Super Spiral Universe is a manifestation within TTGL/STTGL created from the infinite multiverse, which contains infinite possibilities, and allows for perception or thought to take form, like in picrel where Lordgenome to restore his body from nothing but perception.
My case is that the STTGL could simply restore itself if it were to interact with the wall with sheer thought.
and if they're not fighting in a super spiral universe?
A lot of characters that have been trapped in the Source Wall tend to get out because writers forget they were previously trapped in there. Prime and Black Hand are two examples.
No character other than Kyle and maybe Lucifer have resisted the 'statue' thing though. Though Kyle was going to be trapped in there forever, he just let himself out on accident.
And while characters have escaped from the Wall before it's usually with help or because the Wall was 'weakened' in some way.
Kenshiro was cut up by a crossbow bolt and a harpoon. The Dragonslayer would eviscerate him if he just stands there and take it
gets told the reality of there being multiple writers with multiple and competing ideas and agendas
retreats to muh dc comics as a singular entity in cope
Weebs are autistic retards who can't into the complexities of reality lmao
he just let himself out on accident.
NTA but it's also never explained how he did it later on or anything. He asks why and he basically gets this response
Example(s)...?
You're not understanding me, anon. The mech IS the Super Spiral Universe.
"Arc Gurren Lagann descending on Kamina City. (The Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a virtual quantum body created by the multi-layered multiverse due to the activation of the Super Spiral force. It disappeared when the battle ended and returned to the normal state) the people welcoming the returning members of the Team Dai-Gurren. They are holding Dayakka with Anne in his arms."
(me)
to
Prime was taken directly into the Source via Speed Force, he had no interaction with the wall and wasn't made a part of it. Black Hand also had nothing to do with the Source Wall.
Well, we know why. He edits the Life Equation, this edited the universe and let him out.
What he doesn't understand is how he edited the Life Equation in the first place. And that never ever gets answered beyond the fact he's supposed to be the wielder of the Life Equation. Except that wasn't true either since he gave it up like 5 issues after he realized that.
Christ that wasn't a good time for GL. At least Kylefags ate good for awhile, I guess?
this is an interesting question because this will depend on the setting. if Kyle is lured into the SSU he'll have a hard time, but if Kyle lures Simon to the DC universe, that's another story. Has kyle ever tried to lure opponents into a trap?
Darkseid always was an incomprehensible god from beyond reality
Not really. That's revisionism. Darkseid was always powerful, but he wasn't conceived as mister abstract personification of evil with avatars who bust multiverses. He's a paper tiger in the sense that he's a warmongering tyrant who fears revolt. His iron fist is an illusion, and that's why he needs the Anti-Life Equation
Kyle isn't exactly smart.
of course he isn't.
Why are we still misunderstanding the Super Spiral Universe? STTGL/TTGL = SSU
Sonic does beat Goku tho
Has anyone posted Kyle destroying a galaxy yet?
Uh...I'll get back to you on that...eventually.
so STTGL is a living universe. I wonder if that could weaken the source wall.
What he doesn't understand is how he edited the Life Equation in the first place.
I guess that's more what I meant. I think it could go either way of 'only kyle could do that' to 'kyle changed it so anyone can get into and out of the source wall' to 'if you're cool enough you can do it'
The Life Equation is sentient and edited itself.
He obviously wasn't overpowered in a battleboarding sense but in the sense of being a mighty god of evil with esoteric technology who could vaporize you with a glance, yeah, he was supposed to be supremely powerful.
You're right the reason he seeks the ALE is to become the proper capital G God (or the Anti-God, I suppose) but he was supposed to be more akin to a mystical Greek or Norse god of myth than the eventual angry black rock Hitler with ruby eyes he ended up becoming.
so STTGL is a living universe.
Yes, basically is it a living multiverse created through Simon post-Multiverse Labyrinth integration. This allowed Lordgenome to reconstruct his body (temporarily until the fight was over)
Simon don't look
I presume this is the source he's using.
A living multiverse could probably be able to bypass the source wall since you could argue it's a similar level of power
Yeah that's it but there's also
"Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the final form of Gurren Lagann and is emerged with Super Spiral Universe embodying by thought. It is also the most powerful Spiral weapon that can directly output the passengers abilities."
they're apparently doing Yugi vs Ash
Neat to see Yugioh, but how is this even a fight? Yugi clears with Holactie, right?
Yes outside of retarded shit like "Pikachu totally scales to Arceus you guys!"
I don’t think it’s ever held something quite that big. Beings of great power CAN endure the Source Wall for a time; Zeus, Highfather, Ares and Odin pulled it off and had room for Ares’ betrayal in the end. I also remember Highfather’s staff destroying a fat chunk of the wall to pull Superman out of it, but you could argue it was a special property of the staff.
What’s imperative here is that Kyle didn’t pull out a chunk of the Source Wall. It was a monument to his self hate, and all the statues in the wall were Kyle. There’s no guarantee he could pull it out of his ass, or that it could hold something bigger than a galaxy
you sound scared
damn so STTGL could potentially be far too much for the source wall to handle. interesting.
Man, I have a hard time believing that Simon and Nia actually did it during that time skip. She didn't even know what marriage was. If you said that they did it during their seven days alone together I'd believe it though.
The Source Wall surround the DC universe. Think again
Abstractly. You can see the Source Wall isn’t all that big
Black Hand was stuck in the Source Wall after the events of Green Lantern Vol 5 Issue 46. Someone eventually frees him during Rebirth.
It would be too much for Kyle's Source Wall to handle.
The real thing, maybe not, since it's the very line between stories and the white page of comics.
But as said Kyle's Source Wall that he made was just created to push everyone else away while he fought his literal inner demon.
Spiral Power's whole theme is overcoming your very self and pushing past you were a moment ago, infinitely. Simon has no anxiety or self-doubt since he conquered it a while back, it should overload Kyle's own self loathing and destroy it.
She didn't even know what marriage was.
She doesn't really need to understand marriage to succumb to natural urges
It doesn’t help that Kyle’s source wall did nothing to anyone before turning into dust and was the size of a quark compared to a galaxy
Moreso bewildered how pokefags could buy that nonsense but then again I've witnessed plenty of insanity from deranged powerfags before. I'll just wait to see the goofy shit that unfolds like the dex wank rolled out and people trying to correlate ATK/DEF power metrics from monster card text or something.
Spiral power... what the hell is it
Magic, hard countered by any other type of magic.
it's not bad, not bad at all
I have read every lore dump posted here. Skimmed every wiki link. Watched every video.
I still have no clue what it is
Honestly, I think it's rule of cool converted into energy. I've said it before, maybe it's bias but I think Simon is essentially toonforce but with willpower as the driving force instead of comedy.
Willpower/human spirit juice that warps reality.
Evolution or progession, not just individually but as a civilization
gurrenlagann.fandom.com
In the series' concept, Spiral Power is the power of evolution, generated by beings capable of doing so, like humans and other DNA-based animals, whose spiral double helix molecular structure allows them to get stronger through the generations.
Not only is it the basis of strength for the main characters and all of mankind, but it is presented as a philosophy and a model of physics. Spiral power allows the user do absolutely anything depending on how much the user has.
Example: Simon has infinite spiral power allowing him to do absolutely anything and overcome absolutely anything.
tldr; it's the power to do anything. It's above omnipotence and omnivastance.
It is time for the next thread.
Muh Source Wall
see
What’s imperative here is that Kyle didn’t pull out a chunk of the Source Wall. It was a monument to his self hate, and all the statues in the wall were Kyle. There’s no guarantee he could pull it out of his ass, or that it could hold something bigger than a galaxy
wait, so Kyle never created an actual Source Wall?
No. Just a bootleg one of self loathing
wait it's a canon ability that kyle can spawn a wall so he can self-pity? really?
He made something that kind of looked like a Source Wall, spanning the breadth of a stadium more or less. Every face in the wall was Kyle’s, and the whole thing turned into dust by the next issue. Kyle was later seen light years away, accidentally bringing Mogo’s genocidal brother back to life. The dollar store Source Wall he made was never elaborated upon and he has never “used” it since. Not that he used it offensively to begin with
No. He fights an evil doppelganger of himself that represents all of his self hatred and depression, then he throws everyone out of the town they're fighting in and creates a 'Source Wall' around it that only has his screaming faces on it.
It's not a 'real' Source Wall, it's a physical representation of how he's pushing away everyone he knows to try and fight his inner demons.
fuck this being a death battle just have simon clock him and tell him to stop being a bitch because he really needs it
I doubt they'll portray Kyle like that
No. Just a bootleg one of self loathing
He made something that kind of looked like a Source Wall, spanning the breadth of a stadium more or less. Every face in the wall was Kyle’s, and the whole thing turned into dust by the next issue. Kyle was later seen light years away, accidentally bringing Mogo’s genocidal brother back to life. The dollar store Source Wall he made was never elaborated upon and he has never “used” it since. Not that he used it offensively to begin with
No. He fights an evil doppelganger of himself that represents all of his self hatred and depression, then he throws everyone out of the town they're fighting in and creates a 'Source Wall' around it that only has his screaming faces on it.
It's not a 'real' Source Wall, it's a physical representation of how he's pushing away everyone he knows to try and fight his inner demons
jesus. i hate kylewankers
so all this time kylefags forgot to mention the source wall was a dollar store knock-off?
It's just not really even a "Source Wall". Literally the only evidence for it being one is Carol calling it a Source Wall because it kind of looks like the real thing except instead of big titans it just has Kyle's screaming faces all over it. We have no idea if it acts like the real thing or not or if it's even supposed to be a chunk of the Source Wall or whatever it is.
And then it gets blown up like 2 pages later, it's never referenced again and Kyle never does anything like it again.
They act like the actual source wall will be a thing Kyle can use as like a stage hazard when ita supposed to be neutral ground and its not a thing he "owns". Itd be like saying any DC character could use it in whatever matchup
Itd be like saying any DC character could use it in whatever matchup
This will be used in Goku vs Superman 4
jesus christ
Washed lmao
I wonder if this would juice up Kyle a little bit to give him an edge in the battle?
Something like pic related
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