Why did Russia piss away their only super soldier by throwing him in prison? Was it because the Red Room/Black Widow program was far more useful, or was it due to unstable ruling parties making poor decisions?
Why did Russia piss away their only super soldier by throwing him in prison...
Why did Russia piss away their only super soldier by throwing him in prison?
they did it with their own people who would have been russain soldiers.
i wouldnt think too hard about the logic of commufags
super soldiers are very shit in a world full of Gods, witches, mutants and man machines.
Yeah but this was before The Avengers. Red Guardian was a Cold War creation meant to compete with Winter Soldier. Which is funny because I think Bucky's handlers were Russian
Stalin was in a constant state of paranoia, always whittling away those close to him for fear of someone usurping him. No one is as afraid as someone who rules by fear, because they know they are surrounded by enemies.
Red Guardian only needed to say or do something that the higher ups *thought* meant he would be difficult to control and that would be enough to lock him up rather than take the risk of him refusing orders or fighting back against someone in a position of authority.
It seems like you'd want someone like Red Guardian around even more so you could play him and his handlers against Winter Soldier and his handlers.
This. The Red Guardian doesn't know why exactly Dreykov imprisioned him, so the paranoia parallel works.
Stalin was in a constant state of paranoia, always whittling away those close to him for fear of someone usurping him.
Huh, do you think MCU Stalin was paranoid (and right) because HYDRA was infiltrating his government? That's probably why The Red Room was so compartmentalized and self-sustaining because no one knew who to trust even in the homeland. That paranoia of HYDRA likely endured until the late 80s, and when Red Guardian started asking questions after his mission in the states they probably grew suspicious of him thus why he was imprisoned
Hydra could also just have been the ones who ordered him imprisoned. After all, they already had their own supersolider program in Russia under their thumb. Red Guardian would have been competition for them, and thus a threat.
soviets were notorious for fucking up their own shit due to absolute party loyalty vs results. the yes men always come first
bucky's handlers were hydra first. so it's just pure german descendants vs commies lel
You know it really recontextualizes Russia's instability and actions in this fictional setting when we look at how much HYDRA was spreading.
"Sir, do we really want to threaten the US with a nuclear option"
"Bro, you see how many HYDRA assets they fucking pardoned after WWII? No wonder NASA won the space race!"
They threw a LOT of their Supersoldiers in prison/Suspended animation, dont you remember CapAm2?
Black Widow (Natasha) is a super soldier.
Also Red Guardian in the comics is a psychotic rapist and murderer.
dont you remember CapAm2?
You mean Civil War aka Cap 3, and those were FAILED super soldiers not affiliated with the main Russian government. There was a HYDRA branch hidden in the Soviet Union/USSR. The serums after Cap's were all very dodgy, and rarely worked. The ones on ice were unstable, highly aggressive, and couldn't be controlled. They could barely keep a lid on Bucky, who required constant conditioning. So when the Russian government actually made a single good super soldier (Red Guardian), they kinda just realized it was a failure all around due to weak propaganda that just came off like repeating America's beats, and of course they were paranoid as fuck wondering where Guardian's allegiance was with
MCU Natasha isn't a super soldier. She's just well trained
I thought Alexie was a genuine communist believer
This is not a good thing when Russia stopped being communist, disavowed it essentially and became whatever it is today
Because the writers of the MCU are not very good.
Soviets did tend to destroy each other over nonsensical purity tests
When you have a Cold War going on, HYDRA plants everywhere, and your own civilians rabid for a revolution I think the first thing on the agenda is securing the super solider that starts rocking the boat.
Since we're on the subject of knockoff Captain America's, I fucking love US Agent. I don't care what MCU writers try to do, they've only made me appreciate Walker more. Yeah he's an asshole, but can you blame him?
He’s also not nearly as much an asshole as comics US agent. He doesn’t come across as some mega patriot like peacemaker. He just seems like a more realistic and relatable captain America
America also threw Isaiah in a jail for years, granted we know he went on his own without military clearance; still you'd think they'd try to work with him instead of outright locking him up and trying to derive the serum from him since it evidently didn't work out.
According to some unverified accounts, the soviet regime at the time dismissed the CCCP's Internet (PROJECT OGAS) for fear that decentralized communications would threaten its dominance over the Soviet world.
There is also a story (with a little more documented support) that one of the reasons why the Soviet space program failed was because the regime created several agencies to compete with each other.
Sometimes people just get in the way.
He's an angry asshole and that can work exceptionally well in the hands of competent people.
Isiah was a rare survivor to the serum and was sent on ONE mission to counter The Winter Soldier. He failed, choosing to save his men over eliminating Bucky, so he was written off as a wildcard and imprisoned. You got to remember this was the 1950s, when racial tensions were high, so they were scared as fuck of a super soldier participating in a potential race war. So they just locked him up, kept trying to replicate that worked on him, then HYDRA got involved too because they wanted to study the serum in him as well.
Isiah's situation was just compounding factors due to bad timing
considering how cheerful and outgoing he is, borderline naive, always speaking his mind, he only needed to say ONE thing at ONE meeting with the wrong person in it to get a one-way ticket to a penal colony.
Taking into account that the collapse of the Soviet Union is close to his production date, there is also the possibility that he was locked up by someone to make him disappear inside the gigantic Eurasian prison system, so that the new power would not get a chance to take samples of his genetic material.
Nobody wants super-chechens running amok in the 90s.
I've always loved how Warren Ellis explores the idea in a few paragraphs in SuperGod.
He's more flawed than Steve, but he's alright.
He just need to do the right thing when actually matters.
Doesn't he usually do that? He's grumpy because for most of his life he's been disposable, an asset to be used until no longer needed. Then when he has a chance to be an icon its ripped from his hands, which led to other problems
Why didn't they mindfuck him like Bucky?
Race relations in the MCU aren’t the same as real life. Otherwise you wouldn’t have seen mixed race combat units in WW2 in captain America, a time when they were incredibly strict about keeping them segregated
Probably the same reason why SHIELD/HYDRA couldn't capture/kill Cap.
You guys are kinda operating under the impression that the Soviets knew Hydra was there. After WWII, Hydra went underground. They infiltrated the Soviets the same way they infiltrated Shield.
Isn’t that especially strange then? All of his usage in the MCU portrays him as a diehard yes man for the soviet union. Or at least What If did.
Unironically what do you do with a super soldier during the cold war? Alexei is too loud and honest for proper wetworks, and the cold war had moved away from the battlefields the original super soldier fought on to focus on espionage. It seems they mostly used him as a minor propaganda piece and then just locked him away.
it could've been an entire hydra cell that handled bucky and the upper soviet command gave no fucks about some stupid science project. or one top soviet hydra guy kept it hidden, tons of different scenarios
that's my point, all it takes is one paranoid ussr leader (in this case, probably dreykov) or alexei says the wrong thing at a random party and he gets gulag'd
Nah the reason the soviet space program failed is because
A) the top soviet space program director, Sergei Korolev, who was behind all the initial soviet pioneering in space tech. Like the first satellite Sputnik, the first space walk. Yuri Gagarin being sent to space etc etc etc. died relatively young of a heart attack and had no real replacement of comparative skill. Kind of a soviet Werner Von Braun
B) the soviet government genuinely saw no reason to spend the vast amount of wealth it would take for a continual successful space program, the whole “space race” narrative was fairly one sided. Why was reaching the moon somehow the winning end game for Americans and not Mars for example? Because the Soviets already did all the previous shit and then shut down most of their programs because they felt they were just expensive PR stunts
The latter also fucked over Korolev, who had a ton of ambitious plans for things like moon bases, Mars launches. If funded they’d have happened, which would also spur the Americans into doing the same to compete
For the soviet government it was just a question of why waste all that money on something with little practical application when they need to buy weapons, farming tools, basic shit etc
You guys seem a bit mixed up on the timeline; Alixei was operating in the mid 90's lol. He was active in the Cold War, but while it's possible his serum slowed his aging, there's no implication he was active that long ago. Probably took the serum in the late 70's at the earliest.
Why was he called red guardian after the Soviet Union ended then?
Like I said, he started in the waning days of the Cold War, and was repurposed/no longer the Red Guardian after the SU fell. That's why he's on a mission in the US in the 90's, with no implication that they wanted him to operate as the Red Guardian.
I doubt he was active when Stalin was alive.
Like any incompetent administration they wanted to get rid of positive assets because it could be potentially used against them. We are literally witnessing something similar happen in America under the current administration.