For me it's The Bride

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For me it's The Bride

...isn't this the cunt that knowingly sent an untrained noncombatant to fight a violent sociopath alone and then later bitched about it like it wasn't her own fault?

Nina had no fucking reason to be there.

She had zero combat experience or abilities, and they kept sending her unarmed into combat situations
also why the fuck was she in a high security blacksite to begin with? being a fish?
Why was she arrested for being a fish woman? She went to an american private school, she has a social security number and a birth certificate, she's not exactly a secret.

Does it make more sense in the comics?

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Does she really cuck frankenstein or was that a hallucination

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Will never understand why she was arrested?
She did nothing wrong.

Why was she arrested for being a fish woman?

She was arrested for public indecency.
Just because you got some fish mutation doesn't give you the right to walk around bare naked.

I don't think hanging a robot would do anything.

Wow, she's flipping the bird. That's so scandalous and irreverent. I'm very offended.

this is the first thread I've seen about this show in ages

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This is not your real opinion.

yeah but, muh sob story

You're both underage

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Actually.. yes! Idk about the show buf some versions of her were a scientist who turned herself into a fish lady, so her whole schtick was being sort of like the combat medic

GI Robot is such a weird character. He has literally no development and yet people pog cause he kills anything Nazi related, even things just labeled Nazis.
It's not really cucking since she never liked Frankenstein.

So does she even fuck frankenstein in the end?

Was it grooming?

Groomer hysteria and assault panic shit needs it fucking end jesus fucking christ. i know you said it in jest but im tired of seeing it everywhere

Americans like to fetishize WWII because it was the last time everyone agreed we were the good guys and when our main goal was fighting an empire that only existed because we pulled them out of isolation less than a century prior and we bombed the shit out of their civilian populace over the course of literal years
Yeah, we tend to push everything to the European front

No, its only grooming when a tranny does it.

I mean he created her, and she was sort of like a child there.

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I hope Phosphorus gets more to do next season. Alan Tudyk is always fun.

The implicit idea is that it's Victor doing exactly what he did with the monster before her. Creating life, but not viewing his creation as a person and denying any semblance of the idea that he has a duty to be some kind of parental figure.
The idea is that the creation of the Bride stops the core moment of the book where both Victor and the monster realize they're full of shit.

With the Bride created, the monster never kills Victors fiancee which prevents the grief which leads him to realizing the mess he's created.

If the monster never kills Victor's fiancee and receives nothing but a feeling of emptiness in return, he never accepts that he himself has been dodging responsibility for his own actions due to a victim complex in the same manner that Victor has done so with his god complex.

The weird ass part is Bogdana. Her book counterpart, De Lacey was an old man and ultimately represented what the monster truly wanted. Someone who actually cared and showed him kindness. The book version of the monster wasn't interested in romance as much as he wanted someone to go through life with which is why he requested the creation of the Bride as a default "life partner", so Bogdana is where the major divergence from the book characterization really takes off because the original book version of the monster absolutely would have stayed with her

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My grandma passed away on the day of the finally
I finally calmed down and watched the episode to cheer myself up
Cried again afterwards because nina was my waifu
Good show
Love the Bulgarian representation

I see where this is going with how the previous season ended.

I feel like they need to confront this next season in order for Bride to progress past these barriers she put over herself when arounds other besides Nina (RIP). She has unresolved rape trauma.

Clearly her being the new, defacto field team leader of the Commados will come with problems because of her faults. Especially now that Rick Flagg is stretched thin working as the new head of ARGUS - she has to come to terms with her history and purpose.

Essentially what Jane when through in Doom Patrol, but much more subtle. Gunn even admitted that you are supposed to hate Victor Frankenstein and he was disgusted with those who sympathized with him.

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What's the point?

I agree that Victor was a trash subhuman cretinous fuck but I don't think most people especially DC fans want to watch something that real and truly depressing in a show like this. That wasn't even her origin in the comics unlike Jane.

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I don't think most people especially DC fans want to watch something that real and truly depressing in a show like this

bitch did you SEE the season one finale?

t. Groomer

What actually needs to die is sex pests who keep thinking anyone wants to reproduce with them.

in the show her father turns her into a fish when she's an infant as an experiment to try and cure her debilitating lung issues. She basically spent her whole life as a fish, got bullied for it in school, before disappearing to live in the river, before getting caught and arrested.
She then proceeds to do absolutely nothing on the team except die.

she was very sweet though. hope they resurrect her. I hear she was in the comics.

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A popular fan theory is that sometime after Bride left not-Bulgaria, Eric (Frankenstein's monster) found Nina's body and resurrected her with his creator's equipment in an attempt to win her over when they cross paths again.

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I’ve not looked into it but I have assumed since first seeing it that that’s exactly what happens with Which makes me want to fucking scream since she already lived and died bullshitly, and I really don’t need to see her dragged through more bullshit in undeath so I hope the show doesn’t heed that development

Literally yes and literally no. Yes she was purposefully created to be a wife for his retarded son
No the doctor didn’t set out with the intent of getting her to fuck him
Did you people not watch the episode at all?

See this is where it weirds me out because Gunn has said that the characters are supposed to be closer to their original book counterparts but despite what people often think, you're not supposed to view Victor as a complete monster by any stretch of the imagination.
He's full of shit but he's very much a man shown to love and care about the people around him and mostly reacts to the situation as any person would. It's this humanity that is precisely what makes him the true monster. He's not a normal person, he's the guy responsible for basically creating a creature who was doomed to suffer and does nothing to alleviate said suffering.
Book Victor viewed both the monster and the theoretical bride as abominations and even if he created her he would almost certainly do the same shit all over again by just dumping them both somewhere and leaving them to figure it out. The part he stops being Victor is the part where he shows any care for her in the first place.
Thing about it is this, book Victor does end up taking responsibility for his actions at the end but completely misses the mark. He still thinks "Oh it's my fault I created this worthless abomination whoopsie gotta go kill it" instead of confronting the part where his true crime was letting the creature suffer while the creature is the one who comes to fully comprehend what he did and fully own up to it.
That's where the whole "Victor is the real monster" thing comes from, he wasn't completely morally apathetic, he just had an ego the size of Texas and refused to admit when he morally fucked up.

This is where the show's depiction of Victor and the creature are so weird to me, Gunn said he wanted a more book accurate take on them but then completely ignored why their book characters were the way they were.

That's a whole lotta word salad to just to overexplain why you think grooming isn't somehow disgustingly predatory and evil to you.

I didn't say that though anon, I said that it's weird that Gunn said Victor and Eric are book-accurate when book Victor wouldn't have done this.

Low-key i find it funny
How victor fucked the bride even though she only existed so Frankenstein wouldn't kills his fiancé.
Smartest Bulgarian man i suppose.

Actually, Victor had no fucking idea that the creature was gunning for the fiance

"Devil, cease; and do not poison the air with these sounds of malice. I have declared my resolution to you, and I am no coward to bend beneath words. Leave me; I am inexorable."

"It is well. I go; but remember, I shall be with you on your wedding-night."

I started forward and exclaimed, "Villain! Before you sign my death-warrant, be sure that you are yourself safe."

We actually, don't really get a sense of why Eric wants the bride compared to the original book. In the book, by this point, he runs around the area, sees people, observes people, meets De Lacey, experiences companionship, and only wants the Bride because in his mind that's a forever friend who would stick by him.
The book also implies that the creature suspects Victor is gonna try to screw him over or pull a fast one on him. He's well acquainted with Victor's shit and basically is already prepped to go on a vengeance spree. Read his lines in chapter 20 and you realize the creation of the bride was a test and the monster already knew his mark if Victor didn't follow through

Slave, I before reasoned with you, but you have proved yourself unworthy of my condescension. Remember that I have power; you believe yourself miserable, but I can make you so wretched that the light of day will be hateful to you. You are my creator, but I am your master; obey!"

You can blast my other passions, but revenge remains—revenge, henceforth dearer than light or food! I may die, but first you, my tyrant and tormentor, shall curse the sun that gazes on your misery. Beware, for I am fearless and therefore powerful. I will watch with the wiliness of a snake, that I may sting with its venom. Man, you shall repent of the injuries you inflict."

Victor can't pick up on this because of ego and refusing to view the creature as anything but a mindless abomination (1/2)

And then I thought again of his words—"I will be with you on your wedding-night." That, then, was the period fixed for the fulfilment of my destiny. In that hour I should die and at once satisfy and extinguish his malice. The prospect did not move me to fear; yet when I thought of my beloved Elizabeth, of her tears and endless sorrow, when she should find her lover so barbarously snatched from her, tears, the first I had shed for many months, streamed from my eyes, and I resolved not to fall before my enemy without a bitter struggle.

This is where we see Victor's ego at play.
He has not only assumed the creature is gonna gun for him. He's immediately jumped to this big hero fantasy where he takes the creature down in an epic self-sacrifice and his wife immediately mourns him.
That's what I mean when I say book Victor wasn't like this. Him telling Eric that he's scaring the bride is already out of the question because Victor in the book didn't view the creature as properly having real feelings since that would mean having to take responsibility for letting him suffer.
This leads to his failure to realize that the creature is at the point of viewing death as a mercy and is capable of psychological warfare via killing the wife and kid.
Which is another significant issue. The creature in the book was way fucking smarter than Eric in the show. The whole point is that he wasn't the mindless being Victor kept trying to make him out to be but had a broken perception of the world because his constant suffering left him with a victim complex. Something the creature himself owns up to at the end of the book before he heads off to die in isolation as self-penance.
Obviously some liberties had to be taken since Bride is actually made which cuts into the character development but Gunn saying he based them off the book feels dishonest because neither really align even before the bride

Thanks for the in-depth analysis anon
You are so awesome

You can't groom a corpse.

No problem.
Frankenstein is basically that one book that everyone reads in high school but barely anybody remembers because it's not taught very well.
It's admittedly a lot harder to make shit book accurate when the Bride is actually made because that's not just a story change, it completely flies in the face of who Victor is. He doesn't refuse to create the bride because he learned his lesson, he refuses to create the bride because he desperately needs to feel like the Creature is just inherently a mindless killing machine to protect his own ego, and in order to do that he also needs to assume the same of the bride. It's basically a cognitive thing for him.