Wokest Spider-Man movie in history

wokest Spider-Man movie in history

also just a bad contrived movie in general

everyone loved it including online grifters

How the fuck did they get away with it?

Are garish visuals, millennial humor, and a licensed soundtrack really all that's needed to distract people

Do you enjoy anything nowadays?

Olivia was sexy, so it's a good movie.

I enjoy media that isn't using beloved household franchises for insidious political purposes

Do you enjoy anything nowadays?

No. OP is the kind of person that contributed to the sorry state of feature-length animation today.

Don't forget 5 fps "animation"

This movie and Prey taught me that a lot of people genuinely don't know what makes something woke

Spider Gwen sex

It was kino, and it's really telling that every Anon Babbletard who pretends to hate on this film for its supposed wokeism flaws always end up humiliating themselves

Non white men existing at all is woke

Shut up retard

Nice b8

I just really hate the trend of pole vaulting straight over iconic stories just to adapt modern dogshit. Why the fuck did we get a movie about Miles before getting one about Kraven's Last Hunt? Or any other number of actually good Spider-Man stories?

every element is woke

what the FUCK does the term "woke" mean to you? You sound out of your fucking mind on LSD or something screaming about aliens or some shit. DEFINE THIS STUPID WORD YOU KEEP MISUSING!

This movie deserves more hate for popularizing the laggy color vomit style of animation

Opposite of alt right

Nothing made by millennialcucks.

It's not bait

op is triggered by a kids cartoon

Good

more capable and powerful than the dead one

The one who died just had a bout of bad luck. It wasn't a skill thing.

You can pretend that you don't see pic related l all you want Tom Brevoort, but you will not be able to pretend that a Bendis OC Ironheart in MCU does not flop. Shilling Bendis OCs can only get you so far.

Oh get the fuck over yourself you miserable bastard.

Anon Babble defending Miles now

It's over

hates a film

nobody agrees with him

spams opinion in the odd belief that his sheer venom for the film will sway others

Hey, anon, knock yourself out.

it's a regular occurrence, I find it best not to respond to these threads/posts at all, let them quietly get archived (which wont happen because Anon Babble loves falling for bait)

Anon Babble has hated Spider-Verse for a long time sister

no reply

Suit yourselves.

Spider-Man relationship with MJ is deemed "complicated" both in the movie Spider-Man: No Way Home and the game Marvel Rivals, proofs below

static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel-rivals/images/c/c4/Spider-Man_-_Setup_05.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20250206050910
marvelrivals.fandom.com/wiki/Spider-Man/Quotes
youtube.com/watch?v=KeXYHMTUeBY&t=21 [Open]

the same game that caused picrel from Marvel Rivals Swimsuit Specials 2025 to happen

which implies that Peter and MJ are working to fix their relationship back

Peter B gets a touching scene with Aunt May

Ends with a joke about him being fat and wearing sweatpants

Because Gwen needs a line she basically just says "yep that just happened"

This movie and Prey taught me that a lot of people genuinely don't know what makes something woke

Here are the 5 rules of anti-woke in entertainment.

Do not maliciously marginalize, demonize, mock, degrade, spit on, emasculate or disrespect beloved white male icons (see the woke rapes of Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones, Picard, John Connor, He-Man). Purge creators like the Amazon executive who said he did not think James Bond is a hero or the one who canceled a Conan series because of toxic masculinity from having any creative control over a product that they have malicious contempt for.

Do not create unlikable mean spirited chest beating caricatures of strong women or minorities to pander to Tumblr-tier far left activist types (Comparison time --- 5 great modern female characters: Ilsa Faust, Judge Anderson, Mcu Nebula, Netflix Karen Page, Mcu Wanda VS 4 awful woke female characters: Navarro in True Detective Night Country, Indian Velma, Rings of Power Galadriel, Helena in Indy 5)

Do not have heroic characters preaching radical far left extremist propaganda (see Falcon defending terrorist who burned innocents alive at the end of TF&TWS just because they are youthful diverse antifa stand-ins) and do not present crystal clear mass murderers as justified just because they are far left or oppressed (Killmonger/Magneto)

Do not change historical shit or beloved characters in order to pander to modern identity politics or to shit on white people.

Do not censor, demonize or supress female sex appeal in entertainment in order to again pander to Tumblr style feminist or anyone who unironically uses the term male gaze/objectification.

PREY & SPIDER-VERSE DID NONE OF THESE THINGS!

DEFINE THIS STUPID WORD YOU KEEP MISUSING

#Explanation #1

"Woke" is a colloquial term for a subset of progressive beliefs influenced by postmodern philosophy, the New Left, critical race theory, privilege theory, and intersectional theory. Their beliefs include:

The liberal democratic capitalist order is inherently a bigoted and unequal system, and it is impossible to resolve those issues without tearing down and rebuilding the system entirely.

The classical Marxist idea of the working class leading the revolution is outdated and incorrect; many of them benefit from the system and protect its interests. Therefore, the revolution must be formed from a coalition of the intelligentsia and the socially marginalized.

Anyone who is part of the system passively benefits from it and supports it in turn, meaning that anything less than total rejection of the system is fraternizing with the enemy. This also means that any perceived benefits that anyone in the system has are seen as unjustly earned.

All problems fundamentally stem from this same system, therefore all solutions must focus on dismantling the system. Attempting to suggest a different cause of the problem or a different solution is undermining the cause.

Society is primarily shaped by discourse. Therefore, there is a strong emphasis on the need to promote good discourse and suppress harmful discourse (see: the push for "representation" and "deplatforming").

The importance of the "progressive stack," i.e., prioritizing the views of demographics seen as more marginalized than one's own.

Since the system has bigotry baked into it, it is only fundamentally possible for oppression to flow one way: from those in the system to those marginalized by the system. Even if someone's rhetoric or actions may sound bigoted, their actions may be mitigated or fully justified if it is directed toward the system.

For how it manifest in Entertainment see here -

#Explanation #2

Fundamentally: "Wokeism" is a deeply illiberal reaction from the Left against a liberal approach to social justice, which became common in academia roughly 2008 to 2012 and increasingly normalized including in mainstream politics starting around 2015.

Wokeism can be used to describe a somewhat broad category of things, so oftentimes definitions conflict. It is, however, definitely not basic racial justice or reform politics in general. It also isn't just the recognition of systemic problems, and it's NOT a tendency that was mainstream outside specific parts of academia before roughly 2012.

Some common features of Wokeism:

Illiberal reaction against "colorblind" equal rights liberalism.

irrationalism, race mysticism, magical thinking concerning privilege or oppression.

"white homeless person is more privileged than black billionaire" mentality.

tries to make race categories very legible.

splits world into "oppressors" and "oppressed", categories are valued over the individual or over facts on the ground.

Because of this, people are incentivized to pretend to be a member of the exalted "oppressed" group, and therefore, wokeism tends to be absolutely paranoid and suspicious about legitimacy of group membership.

Defeatism, "nothing has changed since 1950" / "equality is the continuation of racism by other means" thinking.

Struggle sessions, ideological abuse - "if you're white, you can't have an opinion, if you're black and you disagree with Wokeism, you're not a real black person"

"being defensive or trying to defend your innocence is an admission of guilt".

#Explanation #3

Woke is Cultural Marxism / Neo-Maoism aka using the principles of Marxism/Communism applied to culture instead of economics. It perpetrates the lie of victim vs oppressor by using actual racism to fight fake or trumped-up racism. The people who are Woke treat this ideology like a religion. But unlike a western religion, there is no vehicle for forgiveness, grace, or mercy when faced with sin, and the biggest sin is disagreement. There can be no disagreement, and those who do are to be un-personned or "cancelled" much the way Maoists did during the Cultural Revolution.

Along with everything else is the lie that Western Civilization is evil. That the twin dogmas of intersectionality and identity politics are sacrosanct, and the higher you are on the ladder of victimhood the more virtue you have. Thus, your worth is not based on the choices you make aka your actual character, but they're defined by nothing you actually can control, aka immutable characteristics. Therefore you are not judged on the content of your character, but only by the color of your skin... or who you choose to have sex with... or your genitals.

#Explanation #4

newdiscourses.com/tftw-woke-wokeness/

wokest Spider-Man movie in history

You mean ATSV, that movie barely has white male characters in prominent roles.

With this kind of arbitrary list I now understand why culture war grifters are practically retarded and can't enjoy anything

I enjoy complaining about the world not living up to my deliberately unreasonable expectations.

Modern Spider-Man has been dogshit for over a decade, and this is the worst slump the character has ever had

Hey now, I dont like Miles either and Spiderverse 2 sucked eggs, but the first one was pretty good. A bit overrated maybe, but still good.

Spider-Verse kills off a young Peter so a black replacement can take his place (and literally desecrate his grave), the side-character Peter that coaches him is an old irresponsible schlub that can only learn a lesson in responsibility thanks to the diverse protagonist

Spider-Gwen is a mean spirited chest beating strong woman with a tumblr haircut, distorted from the original Gwen who was a sweet person and Peter's love interest, and even the original Spider-Gwen who didn't have a tumblr haircut

the main characters glorify Prowler, a serial killer for hire, with a huge "Rest In Power" public mural simply because he is black

changes Peter from being in love with the idea of having a family in the comics to not wanting one without the diverse protagonist's intervention, also changes him from christian to jewish, changes Spider-Gwen from being ~20 (or Peter's peer) to being 14 just to ship her with the diverse protagonist and prevent people from shipping her with Peter

Spider-Gwen has such a fridge-like build compared to the comics that people were theorizing she was trans even before the sequel basically confirmed it

Spider-Verse clears

Shut up frogtroon

First movie was OK, second movie was bad.

mean spirited chest beating

When?

Alternate universes do alternate things retard.

mfw (my face when) a movie about alternate universe Spider-Man counterparts predominantly features alternate universe Spider-Man counterparts

the main characters glorify Prowler, a serial killer for hire, with a huge "Rest In Power" public mural simply because he is black

The more I think of the first Spider-verse movie the more I think how fucked up this was. Miles dedicates a big art piece to the hired killer that aided in the death of the man whose alter ego he stole, lol.

mfw (my face when) a movie about Spider-Man's multiverse predominantly features the alternate universe black Spider-Man as the protagonist around which the mythos is distorted to glorify

Netflix Karen Page

The genuinely worst part of the series? The one who didn't even have the decency to die by Bullseye's hands like it happened in the comic and instead the one to save Matt in a cringeworthy girl power moment that made Bullseye look like a joke? Because God forbid a villain kills a hero's potential love interest in this day and age.
Thanks Gail Simone.

Judge Anderson

Hardly modern. Unless you're talking about the 2012 movie version of her, which is a boring as fuck character that shouldn't have been in the movie at all and contributes nothing but beyond "muh feelings"

wahh wahh I shot a criminal who had a baby, I feel sad wahh

I don't give a fuck, she gets in the way of all the cool action. The fact that movie makes her be the one to save Dredd at one point is an insult to injury.

Ilsa Faust

If you acknowledge the existence of any Mission Impossible movies past 2, I'm afraid the this is beyond any medical help. Not until lobotomy is legal again.
And not that cunt is not anything "great"

what if we took a series that was relatively grounded compared to James Bond movies and added another stronk wymin who easily kills dozens of men

Fuck off.

MCU movies

great anything

Lol.

>everyone loved it

Bullshit. It would have the retarded billions of tickets that slop like the MCU used to or Inside Out 2 has if that was the case.

I don't like anything adapted from Bendis.
And frankly you could apply the same to Jessica Jones, just switch "movie" to "show" and there was no kind of worthwhile visuals because it was as cheap as a CW show.

Cope

Shut up fag

wahh wahh wahh

Kill yourself, subhuman.

"we invented this alternate universe to explore alternate things"

so what new fun things have you come up with

"the protagonist is now black"

What made you think this was an argument

The one who didn't even have the decency to die by Bullseye's hands like it happened in the comic and instead the one to save Matt in a cringeworthy girl power moment that made Bullseye look like a joke?

Is this in S3 or Born Again?

I am talking about Karen primarily in S1-S2.

Gwen was originally a character enamored with Peter, after they pulled her through ten thousand layers of irony, agenda, and alternate universes, in the movie she's a 14 year old girl who's as competent at being Spider-Man as the middle aged Peter if not more, is actually more emotionally mature than him, and spends half her screen time rolling her eyes at how inept he is

The fact that movie makes her be the one to save Dredd at one point

There is nothing fucking wrong with this. It's all in the execution and that one was done fine.

and added another stronk wymin who easily kills dozens of men

This never happens.

"Anti-Woke people are responsible for the rise in wokeness" — t. retard

Kill yourself, faggot

Season 3.
youtube.com/watch?v=BhCT5tKI6JM
But if you want an example of S1 Karen being a shit girl power character, they had one of the coolest villain in the MCU lose 100 IQ points just so she could kill him. Wesley was easily more scary and threatening than Fisk or anybody else in the Netflix shows, he deserved way better than that anticlimactic bullshit. And yes, she was just as garbage in S1-S2. Worthless character who should've died.

d-doesn't count

Nah, fuck off.

Cope

c-c-cope

Every low IQ monkey's favorite buzzword. Go die already.

Go back to whining on Blusky, faggot

Seethe

WOMEN BEING BADASS FIGHTERS IS NOT FUCKING WOKE.

It's only woke when it is glaringly contextually preposterous (Rey vs Kylo in TFA) or a more important male is maliciously humnuiltated/made artificially incompetent to prop them up (Mandalorian S3 with BoKatan)

Neither was the case with Ilsa Faust. She was smitten with Ethan Hunt and never emasculated or belittled him.

Anyone who defends these movies or Miles in general is required to disavow Vishnu whenever they say anything.
Refusal or dismissal of doing so will be considered admission of jeetness.

If you acknowledge the existence of any Mission Impossible movies past 2, I'm afraid the this is beyond any medical help. Not until lobotomy is legal again.

Everyone universally agrees the series got best 4 onward, fuck off.

another low IQ monkey buzzword

Post a photo of your hand with a timestamp for all of us, just want to see what kind of creature I'm responding to.

NO IT DOESN'T COUNT NOOOOO

You should kill yourself, you retarded mongoloid. You are the exact kind of cancer you're crying about.
Opinions of worthless retards do not concern me. Anybody who actually believes that crap could die for all I care. Nothing of value would be lost.

Kys

What insidious political purpose do the spiververse movies have?

A black male speaks with a blonde female.

White male is killed and replaced with black male who is then immediately pushed towards white female who was previously associated with white male for decades.

It’s all about diminishing Peter Parker

But the movie is about him learning from Peter and trying to live up to him, to become the same kind of spiderman he is, because he's the best one

And it's still somehow less successful at it than the comics are.

allowed to marry MJ and have a child

Can't wait for the next arc of "Peter is barely in the story, occasionally shown on page moping. Here's some X-faggots"
Spiderverse movies and Miles are shit and Amerilard culture wars bullshit is cancer btw.

The new USM is the only good piece of Spider-Man media we've gotten in 15 years, and it's barely above decent. This is how bad things are.

Not everyone has your bad taste.

Retard

Spiderverse shows Peter as a happy father

This is antiwhite to Anon Babble

I swear half of Anon Babble is just whining about Bendis all day and the other half is whining about Tom King all day, I get the issue with King at least but holy shit stop complaining about Bendis all the time

As somebody who was always critical of Hickman (I even hated his FF back when everybody including Anon Babble were riding its dick), it's a really sad state of affairs when he's the best Marvel can offer. What having a really shitty editorial who make the book shitty out of childish pettiness can do to one of the most famous superheroes in the world.
Absolutely depressing.
Quality argument.

The white Peter was murdered and replaced with a black child.
Peter B had a jewish wedding.

Peter B is jewish and the movie that actually shows him as a happy father also relegates him to a background role where all he does is try to convince Miles into letting people die "for the greater good"

First part of the post meant for

I just didn't like it. Also it's Spiderman they're gonna glaze it regardless. Animation is cheap under the guise of a unique style.
Yeah just not capeshit. I was told this film was the best, and I'm disappointed as fuck. Peni was cute though.

It really is a sad state of affairs. Spider-Man is not a particularly hard character to make stories for, I'd argue he's one of the easiest superheroes to make stories for.
But nothing good can happen when the people in charge hate the character and his fans.

Grown ass men. Industry professionals, with decades of work and experience under their belt. All doing the best they can to shit on the IP because of childish pettiness.
They will burn millions upon millions of dollars to do it.

And here comes one measly little comic where Peter simply has a family and also does superhero stuff and also there's a grander conspiracy at play to serve as the overarching plot.
And that was enough.

So nothing, i know that feel.

They will burn millions upon millions of dollars to do it.

One would think that Disney being as money-hungry as they are would eventually tell Marvel to cut this bullshit out, maybe not out of any concern for quality product (we're far past that point) but because it's bleeding money and drives away the customers. But I guess that would be too easy.

Anyone can wear the mask

With great power comes great responsibility

How do they miss the point of spiderman so badly.

I enjoy rekt threads on gif.

about him learning from Peter and trying to live up to him, to become the same kind of spiderman he is, because he's the best one

There is no reason for Miles to want to be "Spider-Man" specifically, Peter doesn't teach him anything, Miles learns how to Spider-Man in the span of a week, his big triumphant moment is an OP power that trivializes combat, that Spider-Man didn't have, and that he didn't have to work for

a bunch of petty middle-aged manchildren in charge of the brand hellbent on destroying it, pissing off buyers and driving them away

nothing wrong with it

a dead boy's coffin plastered with the image of a character he liked when he was alive, something that doesn't affect the brand whatsoever and nobody who isn't a sociopathic alien lizard would think that raising a stink about it Streisand effect-style would make them look good

WE'RE SUING

I swear, Disney is so weird.

Well, considering that Disney is also doing all those fuckass remakes that bastardize their classic movies, I think the "message" takes precedence here. They okayed Dirt Brown and the Seven Mongs after all.

>wokest Spider-Man movie in history

Actually the 2nd movie had more minorites + that transflag controversy.

It was also significantly worse so there is indeed a correlation.

Never watched it and never will. Fuck this bitch nigga Miles.

I didn't watch any of the trailers, so I thought Miles was gonna be just one of the various background spider people because it said "Spider-Verse" in the title.
Took me ten minutes to realize that he was going to be the main character, and I only lasted for another five before I turned this shit off. Animation was tiresome as well.

Animation was tiresome as well

Retarded statement

garish visuals

*Blocks your path*

I don't care for any of your political bullshit.
I'm speaking from a strictly biological point of view.
You will never ever sell a woman being capable of beating men and make it look even remotely convincing or good. "Badass" women don't exist and no amount of suspending the disbelief would ever make showing otherwise seem natural to any functioning brain. End of story.
Any attempt to pretend otherwise heavily undermines any action movie or series.
Ilsa is a fucking garbage mary sue from the shittiest MI movies (and considering this franchise has been nothing but Fast and Furious slop for years, that's saying something)

You are a faggot

Seethe, tranny.

Stop projecting

What does this have to do with anything?

I know women lose to use "projecting" as an insult because they're dumb and think it's an insta-win button in any argument, but you're not one no matter how much you want to be so behave like a real man.
See these fucking retards.

behave like a real man

That’s rich coming from a retarded faggot like you

Keep crying, tranny.

Hey this one was good it was the sequel that sucked

This movie is anti-woke. Miles manages to exist as a black person without once crying BLM/wypipo evul. The mere absence of activism is anathema to marxists.

Cope

YWNBAW even if you keep arguing like one

Seethe

Woman response (but you still won't be one even if you're as retarded as one)

Stop projecting

4cucks just like bitching and complaining like middle-aged housewives. They don't really enjoy anything besides making and consuming Ragebait

still acting like a woman

Kek

These are the kind of arguments you'd make if you only read a summary of the movie and never watched it

blonde white blue eyed christian Spider-Man dies like a retard

He just gets murdered. Not that retarded of a death

a fat old jewish Spider-Man comes into his universe and appoints a black guy to be the next Spider-Man

He doesn't appoint Miles as the next Spider man, Miles just has Spider Man powers and would be the only person to fill in for Spider Man. Plus at first Peter really doesn't give a shit about Miles and just wants to get back to his world

the universe pushes the white blonde blue eyed Gwen (usually known as Peter's girlfriend) to be with him even though she doesn't want to

I don't know if by universe you mean the writers or some kind of deterministic force in universe, but either way this is a weird conclusion to come to. I haven't watched the movies in a while but Gwen doesn't seem terribly troubled or forced into her feelings for Miles. She just has a lot of shit going on and pursuing a romantic relationship just muddies all that more. Plus the whole "doomed to fail" aspect hanging over their head.
>the black Spider-Man is more capable and powerful than the dead one despite being half the age and having a week of experience
Absolutely not true. I don't know how you would come to this conclusion. Miles is never stated to be better than the other Spider Man

everyone including the villains and the multiverse itself bends over itself to certify the black Spider-Man as Spider-Man™

Because he has spider powers, he's a spider man

all the movie's creators ever talk about is how important it is that anyone can replace Spider-Man (but specifically non-white men)

I don't know anything about the creator's comments, but if it's anything like the movie's message, anyone can BE Spider man, it's not about replacing spider man, I interpret it more that anyone can adopt the values of Spider Man. Idk where it's stated non white men don't apply

Gaslighting piece of shit. Chew on glass you communard faggot

I mean, Prey was also a historical period piece that basically just had the Predator invading a 2010s "strong Disney ethnic girl" story in the same way it was invading action films in the 80s and cop/gangster films in the 90s.
It didn't really do anything that wasn't authentic to what it was portraying

Naw having a small girl over power grown men several times is definitely woke. Make some Buffy tier shit if you want to do goofy stuff like that

The real crime is what they did to Miguel and his legacy in the sequel.

Kys

Woah "sister", don't forget to take your SSRIs you seem a bit grumpy

That's why I said Prey is not woke.

troon still seething

LMAO

Who cares. Prey is fucking garbage regardless of some gay buzzword and the fact that anybody sucks it off only proves that the movie discussion is overrun by idiots.

Cope, samefag

He just gets murdered

Spider-Man doesn't "just get murdered"

Miles just has Spider Man powers and would be the only person to fill in for Spider Man.

There is nothing that says there always needs to be a Spider-Man, the movie and everyone in it pretends it's a mantle when logically Miles should want and try to be his own person

I don't know if by universe you mean the writers or some kind of deterministic force in universe

Both, there's no fucking reason for Gwen to end up two weeks earlier than everyone else and it just creates a ton of holes

Gwen doesn't seem terribly troubled or forced into her feelings for Miles. She just has a lot of shit going on and pursuing a romantic relationship just muddies all that more.

She keeps rejecting him and telling him to buzz off, he won't take no for an answer, at the end she tells him "just friends" and in the sequel he keeps trying anyway

Plus the whole "doomed to fail" aspect hanging over their head

Dumb shit invented by the second movie that the characters aren't aware of in the first one

Absolutely not true. I don't know how you would come to this conclusion. Miles is never stated to be better than the other Spider Man

He takes on the villains that killed Spider-Man and beats them easily, his (teen) presence in the universe is seen as "things are back to the way they were" instead of "our adult protector is dead and there's some amateur kid trying to take his place"

Because he has spider powers, he's a spider man

That is not how it works and it has never worked that way, you fell for the movie's psyop

anyone can BE Spider man, it's not about replacing spider man, I interpret it more that anyone can adopt the values of Spider Man

They sure went out of their way to replace Spider-Man then when that message doesn't require it in any way

Idk where it's stated non white men don't apply

In the sequel where every Spider-Man that got any amount of focus or screen time is non white or non male

I don't give a fuck about Spider-Man after OMD, so Spiderverse' existence doesn't phase me.
I just genuinely hate "badass women" bullshit. And especially the retards making stupid exceptions like "see this stupid cunts killing men in unrealistic and stupid ways is perfectly okay because it's not woke". Mission Impossible was good specifically because it avoided this shit like a plague in the first two movies (even if I thought 2 was shit at the time, but it's amazing how bad things could get that I look back at it with fondness.)

Am I wrong?

No, It's everyone else that's wrong!

Get over yourself and stop deepthroating the psyop propaganda

conform to the herd! stop thinking on your own!

Bet you love MCU sloppa

I don’t care about your faggy rants

And yet you keep seethingly responding to every post, kek.

Conforming is literally what you're doing though. You're fed your opinions from conservative media disguised as independent thought to make you feel smart. You're as much of a sheep as the people clamoring to see anything MCU shits out, you just belong to a different herd.
Again, get over yourself.

I haven't watched the movies in a while but Gwen doesn't seem terribly troubled or forced into her feelings for Miles

It's ridiculously obvious that ITSV constantly breaks its internal logic to get Gwen to interact with Miles and establish the first steps of their romance.

Miles is never stated to be better than the other Spider Man

The thing about being the best Spider-Man is a stretch, at least in ITSV, but Miles being able to replicate Peter A's maneuvers and adequately fight his villains after only two days of practice and a motivational speech was stupid and the kind of writing that belongs in fan fiction.

Did you read the OP? Conservative grifters love this movie

Kys

Yes, I saw where OP wrote "online grifters". Grift doesn't have to be political nor do conservatives own the term. Plenty of a-political people are out to make a buck.

It was alright

trips get

admitting defeat

Biggest waste of digits I've seen in a while.

The point is that there's no conservative media shitting on Spider-Verse, that's seemingly the whole reason for the thread's existence

Most people I talk with really enjoyed the visuals. It's refreshing to not have a "ripped actor with cgi morph suit in front of a green screen"

Speaking of Bendis' shit, same goes for Jessica Jones and it just baffles me. In fact, I've some of these faggots actually praise that show in a "this is how you write female superhero shows" kind of way.
Absolutely disgusting and I hate it.

wokest(sic) Spider-Man movie in history

No one says dumb shit like this outside of conservative brainrot circles

*seen some

Milestrannies will endlessly defend the jerkoff fantasy of a bald jew who desperately wishes he was black.

anon literally cannot imagine what's it like to think for himself without someone telling him what's the acceptable thing to think

What a way to out yourself

So true, xister. Hey, can you curse Vishnu real quick? Just curious lol.

D-D-DOUBLE MELTY

Yeah haha so true bestie I'm not seeing you curse Vishnu though can you do it real quick?

Amazing how Miles Morales can always bring out such a strong reaction from you Anon Babble mfers.

Miles Morales truly is that nigga.

>and do not present crystal clear mass murderers as justified just because they are far left or oppressed (Killmonger/Magneto)

so you want to remove the most interesting aspect of Magneto and make him a mustache twirling villain like Stan Lee's?

Miles Morales truly is that nigga

posts Riley

Loud, gay, annoying and retarded? Yeah, I guess he is.

Miles wishes he was like Riley.
Miles is a stereotypical safe and sanitized black youth to avoid offending anybody. Literally feels like something created by a bunch of suits.
It's also what Bendis did to Luke Cage while sticking him with his shitty OC.
I'd call Miles a Urkel, but Urkel has a lot more going for him in the personality department.

There's literally a trans flag in Gwens room

Funnily enough, Riley would love Miles because "WE GOT DAT BLACK SPIDAMAN NIGGA" while Huey would hate him.

but Miles being able to replicate Peter A's maneuvers and adequately fight his villains after only two days of practice and a motivational speech was stupid and the kind of writing that belongs in fan fiction.

Nah, they actually handled this right and actually made Miles appear incompetent before getting in his groove. And when he did find his groove they didn't make him the best Spider-Man to ever Spider-Man either, he just went from incompetent to competent as he let instinct take over. You don't need a gay ass training montage, there are plenty of stories of heroes being forged through the crucible of need and they pulled off that type of story adequately. They didn't do shit like the comic and feel the need to constantly fellate Miles.

Nah they didn't, he's just able to fight at a level that surpasses Peter A's in a week because.. he just does

How does he surpass Peter A who was fighting his entire rogue's gallery alone when Miles had different versions of Peter and co helping him?

Miles has his sparkle fingers attack to lean on as a crutch, it's a one hit KO each time he uses it.

Pic rel is all you need to know but one inaccuracy is that it was happening before Trump. In fact it was starting when Miles first fucking showed up in 2011. Bendis is one of the OG fags who hid behind Marvel and this dumbass "anybody can be Spider-Man" argument when some admittedly racist fans got mad at Miles being black. But the way Bendis wrote the whole thing and the stuff we know about his fetishes reeks of the very Anon Babble stereotype describes of jews. Now that anon is exaggerating but it isn't hard to to think that some of that woke shit got in there intentionally mixed with aome unintentional actions. The message they mean is anybody can be a hero or do good, not depending on their race, etc. But not everybody can be a firefighter, cop, etc. Everybody can do good and that's what the message should have been. But it's a children's cartoon movie so they're not gonna add much more nuance because they view it as such (a children's movie that happens to rake in adult nerd bux). So Miles getting powers but not being able to land the final blow or beat Kingpin completely would fit that nuanced message more but the studio doesn't want black people thinking blacks can't get their starring role, so they have to resort to gary stu tactics for Miles so they can say "I'm him." Add onto all this that Peter has gone through experiences that line up more with IRL blacks and the fact that this movie was further exposed to be disingenuous after that trash, ATSV. That was a real mask off moment for these losers. There was no nuance there.
Anyway I wish could find the image but an anon a while ago had a good argument and the image was a cylinder on a checkerboad casting a shadow as part of an optical illusion as a metaphor for the cognitive dissonance that Miles inspires in people and the racism against whites that is in vogue nowadays. Anyone have it?

Fucking hell. Everytime I write a long post and then hit choose file accidentally and then post, Anon Babble then just doesn't include the pic.

What an ignorant ass comment.

Taking a beautiful blonde girl and turning her into a freak.

She was already a Goblin cocksleeve

A yawn is hardly a strong reaction

Defending a shitty story not even by the original author/artist team to defend a shitty movie

Reminder that Anon Babble does not actually read comics

It's an extremely based story because it makes gwenfaggots seethe.
Gwen was always a worthless whore btw.

Defending a shitty story not even by the original author/artist team to defend a shitty movie

Mileshitters hate Spider-Man example #8376846

I know this is a blasphemous statement on Anon Babble on all places but "woke" isn't really a negative for me. I can get annoyed by pandering sure but I'm not the kinda guy who malds about "wokeness".

Complaining about things being woke, apparently.

Not that I think Miles and Gwen should hook up, but Gwen isn't even Peter's standard love interest nowadays. It'd be one thing if Miles hooked up with an AU Mary Jane.

but Gwen isn't even Peter's standard love interest nowadays

That's like saying "uncle Ben isn't even part of Peter's origin story nowadays", technically true but not necessarily a good thing

Miles is a shit character and so is Gwen Stacy in all her incarnations. ESPECIALLY Spider-Gwen.
I spit on all those shitty Sonic OCs that came from Slott's Spiderverse.
Spider-Gwen can get gangraped and dismembered by the Sinister Six for all I care.

Funniest comments in this entire thread

They specifically chose Gwen because she was Peter's first big love and also because she's white and blonde. The know exactly what they're doing. It's a fetish for them.
Let's not forget that it was Bendis who first paired those two up.

Eh, it depends. I'm willing to tolerate a lot of stupid shit as long as it delivers on a lot of fronts. BG3 has a ton of dumb shit but it's vastly outperformed by all the good it does. Same goes for Spider-Verse, I normally can't stand Miles but the movie did a good job at making him likeable and I like unique takes on the villains and other Spider peeps. Also helps it has a strong visual and audio direction. I don't get the shit about people calling Miles here a Gary Stu, he might be one in the shitty comics but they did a lot to mitigate that particular problem here.

I don't think you know what gaslighting is.
Honestly not trying to make a gaslight joke here your reply really makes it seem you don't know how the term gaslighting or gaslit is properly used.

I don't get the shit about people calling Miles here a Gary Stu

He saves the day by using his OP super move electric blast that he somehow got by the spider bite that Peter never had. He literally wins by being "Spider-Man but better and he has electricity and he can go invisible and and and". It's an anti-Spider-Man movie and the sequel triples down on it.

The invisibility he just used to run and hide for most of the movie and was used thematically well. The electric blast thing is retarded and more of an issue with the character concept than the movie but it was used sparingly and really only made a difference at the very climax. Comics Miles is a Gary Stu, movie Miles isn't.

Peter A is supposed to be a hydrogen bomb compared to Miles' coughing baby, we're talking about a kid who's half of Peter's age and has 1000 seconds of experience total compared to probably a decade

Peter gets killed by a couple of street level chumps, Miles not only holds his own in a fight with them, he's the one that saves the spider-party that was struggling with them in 1v1s and then defeats Kingpin alone

You were successfully distracted

Movie Miles manages to outrun and outmaneuver thousands of stronger, older, and more experienced spider people before being cornered by Miguel who he overcomes by AGAIN using his OP super move electric blast.

I can't wait until this trend is dead

I never really got the feeling that miles was "Better" than Peter at the end. Like the conflict at the end was "is miles a good enough spider-man to fight the villain on his own and at the end Peter B. Trusts him enough to do it. I feel like Peter B. would have been just as capable of taking down Kingpin if he had stayed, at great personal risk to himself. Miles NEEDED the electric powers to give him the edge but i think Peter B. Would have just beat up kingpin.

Movie Miles doesn't have flaws except "not believing in himself TM" which he quickly resolves by believing in himself, everyone including villains exists solely to prop him up as the next real best Spider-Man

Peter gets killed by a couple of street level chumps,

The fuck you talking about? Peter got killed after fighting the entire Sinister Six, tanking a reality-destroying laser that also killed Green Goblin, then got put down by Kingpin when he was at his weakest. Miles never solo'd the Six, at best he was able to get ahead of them providing support to the other Spider dudes while he was fresh and they were busy fighting.

Peter A was point blank inside of a gigantic reactor explosion that killed the super mutant equivalent of green goblin. He wasn't killed by the mooks outright. He was already dying and Kingpin just finished him off. Miles almost lost the exact same fight to literally just kingpin and he didn't just blow up. In the same setup Peter A probably would've easuly beat kingpin in the 1-on-1.

I feel like Peter B. would have been just as capable of taking down Kingpin if he had stayed

That sounds fun, can we get that movie instead?

Peter just walked into the explosion laser to handicap himself for the mook fight

Peter gets hit by a laser when fighting his arch-nemsis and other supervillains in the laser room

sounds pretty forward to me

He couldn't break free of the Green Goblin dumbass, he's weak as hell, not to mention Kingpin is just meters away from the blast as well and survives it unscathed

Miles' venom blast is stronger than the multiverse laser

Mary Jane is also being phased out as Peter's standard love interest, you have to acknowledge these things are done by writers intentionally, they don't manifest by themselves

Anyone who thinks Gwen and Miles hooking up is fine is also going to support e.g. MJ and Spider-Boy hooking up 10 years down the line when they start associating her more with Paul than Peter because "well MJ isn't even Peter's standard love interest nowadays"

I liked it but it’s heavily overrated and should’ve just removed the multiverse aspect entirely as it adds nothing to the film. Across however sucked balls.

Just gonna run down a quick list of movie miles' flaws off the top of my head.

Self sabatoge

Underperformed because he's more comfortable being average than putting in the work to be "smart"

No game with girls

Absolutely fumbles with Gwen multiple times

doesn't know how to control his powers

He can't unstick himself for most of the first half of the movie. Only discovers his super strength during the raid on the facility. His camouflage is mostly involuntary and he doesn't figure out how-to use his electricity until literally the last act. Prior to that he's a huge liability to the rest of the spider crew they frequently discuss leaving him behind.

miles is kind of a fuck up

Miles breaks Peter A' s flash drive. Hell he's so loud that he almost completely wastes Peter A's sacrifice by being caught by prowler. Heck his belittling condescending attitude is what caused Spot to try and supercharge himself.

Miles wants to have his cake and eat it too

The 2nd movie is pretty explicit. Miles constantly tries to do everything which causes him to ruin things. Trying to be Spider-Man and a straight a student. Doing hero work and be at parties, keep the world from unraveling and save his dad.

Miles very existence as Spider-Man is an anomaly

He was bitten by a spider kingpin brought through the gate. Miles becoming Spider-Man of 616 made it so not only his Peter Parker died but also that there's now a universe where there is no Spider-Man to protect it.
Miles has plenty of flaws. I'd be hard pressed to think of what flaws I would add to him without making him a completely pathetic incapable protagonist.

Miles venom blast didn't even knock out kingpin. It literally just suspended him in midair for a while so miles could contain him later. Also electricity does not work the same as an explosion. The amount of electricity needed to incapacitate a person is like...the same amount to run a toaster. Electric currents are dangerous because they can effect the electrical currents our bodies use to move, ie. Paralysis.

Underperformed because he's more comfortable being average than putting in the work to be "smart"

Fanfiction tier flaw, "he's SO smart he writes in all the wrong answers on purpose" can you hear yourself lmao

Absolutely fumbles with Gwen multiple times

And she still likes him and pines for him even though she doesn't want to

doesn't know how to control his powers

Zero actual consequences, just visual gags he gets over in the first movie

Miles breaks Peter A' s flash drive.

Zero consequences, Peni just recreates it

Heck his belittling condescending attitude is what caused Spot to try and supercharge himself.

That's just Spot not being able to handle bants

Miles wants to have his cake and eat it too

You genuinely think this isn't setup for "Miles is going to have his cake and eat it too because he's just THAT good"? Even after "Imma do my own thing"? Media literacy isn't your strong suit

Miles very existence as Spider-Man is an anomaly

Again, not his personal flaw or something he did himself, and it's also being setup as one of those humblebrag flaws like Vanellope in Wreck-It Ralph being named "the glitch" even though she only benefited from it by being able to teleport etc or the fucking Emoji Movie characters treating the main character's ability to have multiple expressions as a flaw

He's a Gary Stu

It's retarded because the goal was to make Peter seem younger and it didn't work. The villains are awful and so is the art. It would be just as gay of they did it with Betty, Glory, Marcy Kane or Debra Whitman

made sure Spider-Man's successor isn't Mayday, his offspring

You'd think they would've went with her to be pro-feminist, right? But nah, they wanted to appeal to blacks.

After the years of the autistic gwenfaggot shitting up Spider-Man threads, I no longer care.
I love Sins Past just out of spite for that faggot. Helps that I always self-inserted as Norman.

which implies that Peter and MJ are working to fix their relationship back

After everything that happened? Nah, Pete would look like a total chump for taking her back. He'd be a real fucking nerd for doing it, since it's always those losers who forgive the shit terrible women do to them.

Lord and Miller would only do the movie if Miles was the protag. They refused to direct an animated Peter Parker movie.

So you let one retarded turbosperg live in your head rent free so much that he literally rewrote your personality, and you think this "owns" him somehow?
You do understand that the gwenschizo doesn't actually give a shit about Gwen or Spider-Man or X-Men or whatever the fuck else, right? He's literally a caveman-tier troll that feeds off the attention that you can't help but give him. All you accomplish is just shitting up Spider-Man threads even further.

WOMEN BEING BADASS FIGHTERS IS NOT FUCKING WOKE.

but Gwen isn't even Peter's standard love interest nowadays

She was for TASM and Spectacular.

This site needs to stay down permanently
Nobody here reads comics besides the same top ten recommended trades on everyone's lists
Comics are a fashion statement for nerds to just talk about fanfiction and self-inserting

You will never ever sell a woman being capable of beating men and make it look even remotely convincing or good. "Badass" women don't exist and no amount of suspending the disbelief would ever make showing otherwise seem natural to any functioning brain

Which is why they work best with guns and magic. Leave the CQC to the guys.

No, they fucking don't.
All the best marksmen in the world are male. Women have inferior spatial awareness for one and consistently prove inferior when they're allowed in the military.
Woman winning a gunfight against a trained operator is even more stupid and unrealistic.
Magic is gay garbage and should never be in any action movie.

Make some Buffy tier shit if you want to do goofy stuff like that

Buffy can only do that because she has Slayer powers. She was a regular girl right before her predecessor bit the dust, and was granted those powers to fight evil.

Also Buffy was shit.

Yeah but you probably enjoy stories with Wonder Woman and Supergirl, those are fun.

No, I don't.
One is a shitty derivative of a better hero, the other is just plain boring.
All their stories are fucking garbage.

Ah come on, you're on Anon Babble, you don't really mean that.

Fanfiction tier flaw, "he's SO smart he writes in all the wrong answers on purpose" can you hear yourself lmao

Ah yes Marvel comics where there aren't loads of unrealistically super smart protagonists. Complaining about fanfic tier writing in a comic book film is dumb. Might as well bring up that hadron colliders don't function the way they do in the film either. The point is that miles would rather slum it than apply himself and that is a flaw.

And she still likes him and pines for him even though she doesn't want to

It's a slow build and its moreso because they are in a unique position of being able to relate to people.

Zero actual consequences, just visual gags he gets over in the first movie

His lack of skills in jumping breaks the first goober. His lack of skills in a fight forces him to reveal his identity to uncle Aaron which results in him being shot in the back.

Zero consequences, Peni just recreates it

In order to recreate it miles and Peter had to break into the lab and get Liv's computer. In doing that the bad guys find out there's multiple Spider-Man from other realities, a tactical advantage they lost and didn't need to lose cuz miles broke the goober. Does no consequences just mean "nobody died in this moment" or what. If the flash drive hadn't been broken an entire act of this film wouldn't have needed to happen.

You genuinely think this isn't setup for "Miles is going to have his cake and eat it too because he's just THAT good"? Even after "Imma do my own thing"? Media literacy isn't your strong suit

I guess we have something in common cuz your media literacy seems akin to death battle tier arguments. Either way I can't speak on what the 3rd movie (if it ever comes out) will do. All I know is across showed multiple instances of miles wanting to do everything blowing up in his face. A prime example being him buying two cakes in case one got destroyed but in the proccess getting both of them smudged in a way that pissed off his dad.

Yes, I do.

All their stories are fucking garbage.

You read ALL of them? Well you must like them a little bit.

Stories of derivative characters are terrible by default.
Wonder Woman was never anything but token, because DC is obsessed with "MUH TRINITY". She has no place anywhere near Batman and Sueprman.

No shit, bro. The point is to give them something to do that doesn't look retarded.

I have a fucking fantastic idea, if only Hollywood would listen. Ready?
No women in action roles. Ever.
Nobody who isn't an emasculated cuck wants to see some stupid cunt do things an actual hero of the story does.

Eh, honestly Batman is the odd one out of the three.

Also this has nothing to do with the argument we're having but Gary Stu is such a retarded phrase. Mary sue is a reference to a specific fanfic character that was flawless and universally beloved in universe. Being a Mary Sue has nothing to with being a girl. It just means you're a badly written character with no conflict. There is no reason to create a made up male version of the term Mary Sue. That would be like if instead of Saying speedster for female characters we called them Speedshers. Fucking stupid. Just call them Mary Sues and trust your audience knows what that means.

They can work as snipers while the guy's doing the actual physical shit.

Superman

THE superhero, rooted in the same archetype as many mythological heroes known for their amazing strength.

Batman

Rooted in the more modern archetype brought by detective novels and pulps.

Wonder Woman

Uhh female. And she's a flying brick like Superman but worse in all aspects
What part of "no women in action roles" do you not fucking get?
What part of

Nobody who isn't an emasculated cuck wants to see some stupid cunt do things an actual hero of the story does.

do you not fucking get, you total retard?

How muscular are you

Nobody who isn't an emasculated cuck wants to see some stupid cunt do things an actual hero of the story does.

How bout you learn some reading comprehension, tard? The guy's still doing the heavy lifting. The girl's just the SNIPER. Far the fuck away from the actual action. STATIONARY on some rooftop.

Anon Babble trannies still seething at miles for winning

I'd say about normal. Not a DYEL, but not a Anon Babblefaggot either.
That's still being part of the action, you fucking dumbass. And again, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE SOME STUPID CUNT KILL MEN.
The only fucking reason I'd ever allow a female sniper in a movie is if it's a gritty war movie where she's immediately found, beaten and raped. Maybe dismembered as well.
Now kill yourself.

It's juvenile, there's a black protagonist, the multiverse trash, many Spidermen, pop culture references, and a "deep" story. You expect too much of the left wing audience and from people that watch funny black streamer and that speak like this

bruh, fr?

goofy aaahh mf was gooning

It's not a dumb, false stereotype. It's reality

Yes! There are some good indie games. And sometimes I find an interesting tv show. I still need to watch Common Side Effects. Everything sucks now, at least more than before. Why? Everyone has their own explanations. For me it's not nostalgia, because what I liked didn't age well and the best stuff was from before I was born.
Saying "you're just angry because it's not what you enjoyed as a kid" is the worst excuse ever

That's still being part of the action

Yes, but still BELIEVABLE. That's the point.

The only fucking reason I'd ever allow a female sniper in a movie is if it's a gritty war movie where she's immediately found, beaten and raped

We get it, you're a malding loser. No need to advertise that shit.

loads of unrealistically super smart protagonists

Yes, it's considered a flaw for none of them

Complaining about fanfic tier writing in a comic book film is dumb.

It's not, have some standards, it's literally part of the Mary Sue definition

It's a slow build and its moreso because they are in a unique position of being able to relate to people.

It's not a slow build, she likes him despite repeated fumbles because.. she just does, she has a whole citadel worth of Spider-Men she could relate to in the sequel so it's not a unique position anyway

His lack of skills in jumping breaks the first goober.

Which is immediately fixed by Peni

His lack of skills in a fight forces him to reveal his identity to uncle Aaron which results in him being shot in the back.

Kingpin shooting Aaron first instead of Miles is not only not Miles' flaw, it's also retarded writing and a lapse in writing logic

In doing that the bad guys find out there's multiple Spider-Man from other realities, a tactical advantage they lost and didn't need to lose cuz miles broke the goober.

If the flash drive hadn't been broken an entire act of this film wouldn't have needed to happen.

Which results in.. literally no consequences except the movie spinning its wheels for a whole act which is also bad storytelling

A prime example being him buying two cakes in case one got destroyed but in the proccess getting both of them smudged in a way that pissed off his dad.

So if he's going to have to choose between his dad or his universe anyway, what the fuck was the point of the entire first movie where he "does his own thang" and refuses the dilemma? More bad writing?

Back to Anon Babble pls

You’ll never do so, but culture war shit doesn’t won’t dominate your Anon Babble experience if you:

avoid anything popular

stick to currently running shows

Outside of these spaces, co basically just acts as twitter light with all its trappings

muh believable

First off, a male sniper would always be better and actually more believable, you total retard.
And what I said is believable and happened during wars numerous times, but you chose to seethe about it like a retarded cunt you are.

retard defending women in action roles calling anybody a loser

LOL
LMAO
I gave you a simple fucking solution, you chose to go on a retarded tirade how "w-we could still have women fighting in movies"
EVEN THOUGH ABSOLUTELY NOBODY WANTS THAT AND NOBODY ASKS FOR IT, YOU DUMB FUCK.
Unironically hope you die in pain.

I agree but the reply chain started with someone using the male term so I kept it for consistency

Hating Miles and the spiderverse movies =/= being a Anon Babble cocksucker

Miles jeopardizes the multiverse for his own selfishness

But Miguel is the "Bad Guy"

I'm just not a culture war brainrot faggot

it’s a politically charged to have women be bad asses (it really isn’t unless you’re in the 50’s lol) because it’s not real

let me show you how with this YouTube/tik tok short

Lmao

The creators of these movies are, by not calling them you're doing the same as directly supporting them

And what I said is believable and happened during wars numerous times

You know what else happened in wars? Female snipers.

you chose to go on a retarded tirade

Bro, you're the one freaking the fuck out right now. You got no leg to stand on.

Unironically hope you die in pain.

Take your meds, psycho.

Kilmonger was the exact opposite. He just wanted Wakanda to use its resources to uplift the rest of the struggling African continent but they threw in an "AND we're going to destroy whitey!!!!" because they realized that was too reasonable a position

Keep coping, hon.

Deliberately turning a blind eye to half of what the thread is actually spewing is a pussy move anon

You know what else happened in wars? Female snipers.

And they were about as effective as a pile of shit. And never amounted to anything of value. That doesn't change the fact that a man doing action shit is always much better and nobody wants to see some cunt kill people. Why are you so defensive over it anyway, faggot?

but what about that Soviet bitch with totally real kills because USSR would never ever lie about anything

I unironically hope you pull that one if only because
LMAO AT FAGGOT EATING UP LITERAL SOVIET PROPAGANDA. Probably believes in Santa as well, lmoa.

hurr durr freaking out

Being angry at idiots is a normal human emotion. You would know if you weren't subhuman.

ignoring the good faith arguments to focus on the trolls

Hmm doesn't seem very good faith of you

That doesn't change the fact that a man doing action shit is always much better and nobody wants to see some cunt kill people

Another autist who thinks he speaks for normal people.

Why are you so defensive over it anyway, faggot?

Why are you making such a big deal about it, freak?

Being angry at idiots is a normal human emotion

Not when you're nerd raging on something that ain't that serious. Get help.

Yeah, because many anons like this dude are , it’s not like anybody cares really…

Was gonna say “this isn’t twitter” but twitter is more right wing then Anon Babble nowadays lmao

No, retard. Spineless cucks like yourself are not "normal people". Normal people want action movies where the male hero beats enemies without assistance of some stupid whore.

n-no u

Arguing like a woman, lmao. No wonder you're sitting here, defending whores' honor like a white knight faggot you are.

nooo media being filled with cancer is not serious

LMAO

Whenever someone says "you only hate Miles because he's black!" it's the funniest thing ever, because if you ask them why they like Miles they either instantly bring up his race or just start describing Peter Parker without realizing it.

Also kek at using female snipers as a positive example that needs to be represented, when their very existence is a proof that the government either doesn't care about its people or is desperate as they would rather throw women in the meatgrinder to get raped and die.
Ahh, right. Wanting to throw your life away for the rich assholes is "feminist" and "empowering", that's why retarded women want to join the military.

Ignoring trolls works much better than engaging with them

Kingpin shooting Aaron first instead of Miles is not only not Miles' flaw, it's also retarded writing and a lapse in writing logic

Aaron was standing in front of miles. And had his back to kingpin. He was the easier and more reasonable shot.theres also always the chance miles would just dodge cuz spider sense. Miles isn't strong enough to beat prowler, removes his mask, Aaron let's him go and is immediately shot for it. If miles was stronger he could have escaped and none of this would have had to happen.

Which results in.. literally no consequences except the movie spinning its wheels for a whole act which is also bad storytelling

You're gonna have to explain what you mean by "consequences" then because I think you have a very specific idea of what constitutes a "consequence". Like this is a superhero movie where for the most part all our main characters are probably gonna make it to the end. The drama is obviously built up by the ticking clock and it taking longer and longer to fix the situation before it reaches a point of no return. Now metatextually all this stuff is arbitrary. The movie will be over when it's over. The set pieces will come are there to make an enjoyable experience so you can expect them regardless. But in-universe you at least understand that for the characters the time it takes for them to fix the flash drive means spending more time in a universe where being in it is actively killing them and Kingpin is threatening to unravel the multiverse. You and I know they'll make it in time but the characters don't.

So if he's going to have to choose between his dad or his universe anyway, what the fuck was the point of the entire first movie where he "does his own thang" and refuses the dilemma?

A character can confidentially be wrong in a film. He immediately goes to the wrong universe and gets captured after he says that. For all we know the next movie humbles him. Doesnt matter. We won't ever speak again by the time it comes out.

I like female action heroes when they're hot and wear sexy outfits. When they're doing neither of those things, I don't care about them.

Honestly you're doing a favor to SJWs by frothing at the mouth

coomershit

I want no females in my action shit. At least not in action roles.

no argument, just crying

I accept your concession, faggot.

I really want miguel to be confirmed right in the next film. I know it's unlikely but I hate that every person I've met who shits on Miguel does so under the impression that he's just 100% wrong about how the multiverse works and that's stupid. If miles has no plan to fix it he shouldn't win cuz Miguel is being mean. My enjoyment of the next film honestly hinges on how they handle this.

Miguel has an honest to God chance, however miniscule, of being right in the next movie, and it's because they made him brown. I genuinely believe this.

Aaron was standing in front of miles. And had his back to kingpin.

Damn I wasn't aware Kingpin was struck with the a disease that cuts off all his motor functions at that moment and couldn't take three steps forward in the alley to see Miles

He was the easier and more reasonable shot.theres also always the chance miles would just dodge cuz spider sense.

This just makes it more logical to shoot Miles first

Miles isn't strong enough to beat prowler, removes his mask, Aaron let's him go and is immediately shot for it.

Kingpin shooting Aaron at all makes no sense, let alone shooting him before Miles

You're gonna have to explain what you mean by "consequences" then because I think you have a very specific idea of what constitutes a "consequence".

Permanent changes in the life/status quo, fucking MCU Peter has consequences as a result of his flaws, he prioritizes Vulture, this means he fumbles Laura, he prioritizes his vacation, that means Mysterio gets EDITH and ultimately reveals Peter's identity to the world which makes life impossible, he tries to redeem the villains, this gets May killed, he tries to get the world to forget him, he also gets forgotten by his loved ones, all flaws, all permanent negative consequences on Peter's life and the lives of those around him

In contrast the only negative change in Miles' life is Aaron dying, which he brought upon himself by working for Kingpin who seemingly kills his loyal goons for making one mistake

means spending more time in a universe where being in it is actively killing them and Kingpin is threatening to unravel the multiverse.

Which is just empty tension that doesn't result in anything

A character can confidentially be wrong in a film.

Not when the directors confirm he's right

He immediately goes to the wrong universe and gets captured after he says that.

Which will ultimately be the thing that helps him do both things, just like Vanellope's "glitch" and the Emoji guy's "malfunction"

Look, dude. I get that you're like this because women don't want you, but that doesn't give you the right to act like a spaz. Just walk away from the computer and relax. Maybe take a shower while you're at it.

Honestly you're doing a favor to SJWs by frothing at the mouth

You're talking as if gwenschizo is the only obnoxious gwenfaggot on Earth.
Marvel built a cult out of her corpse, and fanboys just regurgitate that. You can see it even here with retards here claiming "she was a nice girl".
The more she gets dragged through the mud, the better.
I LOVE SINS PAST. Better than Kraven's Last Hunt.

I want no females in my action shit

So you're gay then.

I've already accepted your concession, you can calm down.
And here comes the coomers with their mental retardation.

you're watching an action movie to see an action hero do cool shit instead of salivating over some stupid cunt? HURR DE DURR GAY

Porn addiction should be punishable by death.

Honestly you're doing a favor to SJWs by frothing at the mouth

And here comes the coomers with their mental retardation.

Bro, sex sells. Straight men like hot women. This is normal.

you're watching an action movie to see an action hero do cool shit instead of salivating over some stupid cunt?

It's okay to be gay, bro. Just get out of the closet instead of acting like an obnoxious spaz.

This bot is broken, lmao.

muh porn addiction is a justification for poisoning the fiction with cancer that negatively affects it

Just die already, you piece of trash. You are exactly why action genre is dying.

MUH GAY WAHH

See above.

Honestly you're doing a favor to SJWs by frothing at the mouth

The more she gets dragged through the mud, so does Peter by association. By engaging in this behavior, you're only doing Marvel's bidding and further devaluing Peter as a character in order to prop up his replacement.
Again, the gwenschizo isn't actually a fan of Gwen. I'll be damned if he's ever actually read any stories with her. He does this shit because it gets reactions from people like you who validate his behavior, and that's assuming he's a simple troll and not a controlled attack dog sent by some fuckass discord to shit up the board.

so does Peter by association

Peter gets dragged through the mud because they can't accept fans preferring MJ. As much of a faggot as gwenschizo is, he does have a point in that Marvel would love nothing more than to resurrect Gwen. One thing stopping them is that her death is one of the most iconic stories in the comics ever and that would fly even worse than OMD did. And they were trying to boil this frog for decades. Clones, alt. realities versions of Gwen, Gwenpool (haha, she's totally not Gwen Stacy. She just shares her first name and has a similar look)

Oh and of course the narrative of "Saint Gwen", for people who never read stories with Gwen Stacy in them to have this perception of Gwen being this angelic girl who's totally perfect for Peter and spread it further.

Yeah maybe. I just read some of the first posts and also based it on the one I did. Obviously many points itt will be retarded, but I hate that any criticism against Miles isn't considered valid because it's definitely made by a nazi.

Good lord, that bitch sucks ass in comics, games, and movies

I miss when Anon Babble wasn't filled with snowflake faggots

le woke!!!! I'm gonna cry because of le woke!!!!!

pathetic
The second one? Yeah, it's objectively a worse movie.
Wanna know how I know you're a newfag though?

The reason that bendis paired miles with Gwen was to allow for the deflection that that anger caused. It doesn’t matter that the pairing definitively proved that he was just a fetish character by bendis and that the pairing completely invalidates the concept that he’s his own character with his own stories.

His only contribution to the brand is changing Peter’s story from being a hero who always gets up, to a hero never enough to save anyone

Anon Babble only liked the first movie during the after-theater glow two week period after release (also infected by shills no doubt)

I remember threads full of shitting on it as early as 2019 (the movie released at the end of 2018)

I prefer MJ as the main canon love interest as well, hell I celebrated when the new USM was exactly that.
But demonizing Gwen who was the focus point of one of the most iconic superhero stories of all time that led to MJ confronting her true feelings about Peter is not the way.
I'm aware of what Marvel is trying to do, and I'm not a fan of "Saint Gwen" either. I vastly prefer her earlier characterization as a sugar and spice type bitch because it was fun and led to fun interactions with Peter. That's exactly why I reject the way Marvel is using the character. It's the for the same reason that everyone with a brain rejects a Peter that would sell his marriage to the devil and an MJ that is tied up to the absolute black hole of a character that is Paul.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I refuse to let anyone, be it online schizos or Marvel themselves, make me engage in retarded waifu console war bullshit.
I like both Gwen and MJ and I reject both their mischaracterizations.

Personally, until 2018, I was extremely neutral on Miles. I just didn't give a shit about him. But the double whammy of the movie plus his appearance in the game in the same year gave me pause.
I looked into him more, and now I fucking despise him and everything he stands for.

Gwen stacy

You'd have a point if it was MJ but come on

Can you imagine anybody in the 90s watching a random film where Chuck Norris or Dolph Lundgren do cool shit and saying

you know what this movie is lacking? women shooting some henchmen

I'd say this generation is fucked, but not even women themselves like "action hero females". It's only emasculated "males" who do.

Everyone enjoyed the first movie. The 2nd movie just isn't good. Overly long for such little plot it had. A story that doesn't make sense when you look into it. Propped up by useless cameos. A terrible cliffhanger. Wrote itself in a corner so bad that it'll make the 3rd movie unsatisfying whichever way they try to resolve it. The movie was The Last Jedi of the Spider-verse movie but people don't realize how bad it is. To boil the idea of Spider-man into just a preset of tragedies that must happen across all multiverses or you can't be Spider-man has to be the dumbest thing ever introduced. They were all okay with this happening until one Miles Morales comes and says "How about not doing that?" Makes it even dumber they stood idly by to let their love ones die to fulfill some arbitrary concept of fate. Even the original Spider-Man from the first Spider-verse movie wouldn't follow that stupid logic because he risked his life to save Miles Morales. He even told Miles to save the people he cares about in his final moments from what I remember. Not sure how people can like the 2nd Spider-verse movie when it wholly runs contrary to the story of the 1st one and I haven't even talked about the inconsistency of the rules they introduced in the 2nd movie.

When Spider-Verse released Gwen was in the public consciousness as Peter's girlfriend more recently than Mary Jane

I rewatched TASM1 recently. Doesn't hold a candle to the Raimi trilogy but it was a fun watch honestly. I thought Garfield's Peter was fine and Emma Stone Gwen was cute I liked her more than Kirsten Dunst MJ.
TASM2 sucks though, what a fucking downgrade.

He's talking like a caveman who's also a casual but he's kinda right. Gwen is deeply related to Peter, second most important girl. It feels disrespectful that the new guy gets the girl from the previous one. They're making it clear that he is Spider-Man

The 80s had cool female action heroes

No.

nta, but I just watched TASM2, so I supposed 1 was bad. Is it better than the third Raimi movie?

Cooler than you guy

Seethe, fag.

Miles' only appeal is that he's black but they'll never admit to it.

Anon Babble still mindbroken by these movies

Not even a Milesfag and I enjoyed them.

Shut the fuck up you faggot

Well, I'd say it's more focused, since there's only one villain and the conflict is a bit more straightforward. The movie does have its issues throughout, but I'd say it was an overall fun watch. It might be me, but I think Garfield and Stone gave much stronger performances in the first film compared to the second where they came off as very flat.

That being said, TASM1 is most definitely lacking the sheer camp factor that made SM3 so fun. It's very much a 2010's movie, however you may interpret that. Overall, I'd rate it lower than SM3, but in several aspects, I find it better than SM3. The lack of Raimi's touch is definitely felt though, there's no making up for that.

It's hilarious because I love Robbie. A good black Spider-Man could exist, and that's not Miles

Your posts are unfortunately less entertaining than movies with action heroines. I guess that means you're wrong, and wrong BIG-LY

Also 616 Hobie.

Very woman-like posts, but since there are no women on Anon Babble

YWNBAW

Yep, he's one of my favorite early Spider-Man characters. Sad that he didn't appear more in those issues.

The ironic thing is that he replaces Peter in his second appearance. So literally the first Spider-Man replacement we had was black, and I enjoyed that issue. Miles can die

TASM is half of a remake of a much better movie that came out only 10 years before it, and the second half is a pretty flat Lizard story without his family, one of his most important elements.
It has it’s moments, but is just super mediocre.