Death Battle

KYLECHADS... TONIGHT... WE FEAST.

Will simon make the impossible possible
will Kyle be ever relevant in the comics, cinema or cartoon?

find out in... 3 days
also bingo bingo

"I'm starved, Kyle. Thanks for bringing some nice corndogs, man."

THE STRENGTH OF MY HIGH IS THE STRENGTH OF MY LOW
UNLESS THERE'S NO ME
THEY BOTH
THEY BOTH EXPLODE

hulk losing 3-0 in the show
or
goku losing 3-0 to supes

Stand down, Sentry.
or i will make you stand down.

Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann's (not even final form) total power output for the Mega Vortex Maelstrom Cannon was calced at.

4.4213086447199995e+95

950 QUINVIGINTILION JOULES

That's 10 followed by 78 ZEROS!
Get this FODDER SHIT out of here!!!

Yeah yeah, now get in the Phantom Zone already.

quinVIRGINtillion

eyup

He’s illiterate

going to vsbw for feats and statements

kek, didn't they claim the anti-life's feat of folding the spectre to remake the multiverse to be 1-A?

His fight is with me, superman.

You can get lost in ANOTHER DIMENSION!

Hmmmmmm

using VSBW

Simonfags...it's over.

Tranime is for fags.

They have Kyle with the Life Equation at 2-C and Simon at high 1-C

Forgot to mention I'm a Solo Levellingbro btw.

VSBW

Solo what?

This scares the Simonfag

Qrd?

hmmmm

What's a cordog

List of Guy Gardner feats

Defeated a perfect clone of himself with power ring while he had none

Survived the phantom zone, even telepathicly communicating with his gf to shield her from Hal Noncedan's advances

Ran a theme bar in addition of working as full time super hero

Scared Viltrumites for trying to cross over with DC cosmology with his sheer presence

Soloed All might and One for All and exposed UA high school's curriculum through his genius teaching skills

Protected Kratos from multiple bears

Suppressed Gerard Jones' pedophilic impulses while he was writing his series, would have cured them permanently if series hadn't been canceled

Ended blackest night, mentored next generatino of green lanterns

Has never been cucked

Became king of CHUDs through his Vuldarian powers

Taught Big Head his sense of style

Predicted CalArts style of modern comic book story telling, but no one beleived him

Defeated Goku

Cured Sentry's depression

Contained Absolute Solver and restored Cyn into a cute maid drone

Protected green lantern recruits from Hal Jordan's noncery

Made Godzilla turn his tail and swim back to ocean depths

Made Hazbin hotel heterosexual for five minutes

Restored Anon Babble through backup he had on his ring

Can never be featured in death battle because his WILLPOWER would dispel show's patheticly weak bloodlust effect

Can these 3 beat Goku?

Reminder than any Leaguer that isn't Superman is thousands orders of magnitude below the power level required to destroy a Moon (which weights only 81 million tons in DC, aka it's mountain sized), making anyone besides Superman a fuckton odes of magnitude weaker than a single IRL electron

What the hell even happened

Kylefag had a meltdown and pretended to be a Simonbro for a bit

Last thread had an anon making an educated guess based off of Death Battle's past behavior that they'll use the Life Equation regardless of the nonstandard nature because they've allowed it for others as well recently. That anon posited that if they're going to give it to Kyle, then that means they're going to let him use it, and then because they're scaling it to Anti-Life which made Spectre its bitch and forced him to remake all of DC cosmology to its desires, then they're going to make Kyle instakill Simon without even realizing he did it since Kyle inadvertently used it to alter the nature of the Source Wall which was supposed to embody the comic book panels themselves of the medium they're based on; he joked that because of that, Kyle could just think of a corndog while using the Life Equation, and transform Simon into a corndog vendor with his spiral energy turned into frying oil.

Hey bro, you heard about the next Death Battle? It’s gonna have Kyle Rayner-

WHO?

The Green Lantern?

Isn’t that Hal Jordan?

No, the cooler one!

Oh, so what show was he in?

Uh, none?

Movie?

None?

…and you say he’s the “cooler one”?

Yeah…

…ANYWAYS, he’s gonna fight Simon the Digger-

WHO?

From Gurren Lagann-

WHAT?

The guys who made Kill la Kill?

WHAT?
This matchup is stupid. I’ll just wait for Avatar vs Traveler instead.

genshin impact

ahahahahaha

avatar the last airbe-

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ordes

my R key is borked

some retard made a shitty hypothetical situation how kyle would win in a death battle just by getting hungry with the LE on him. which is just extremely unrealistic, especially with how someone weaker than him resisted it with better willpower. almost everything kyle does with the LE is by accident, not intentional. it's another case of something he can "potentially" do but nothing implies it's the most likely to happen because the LE's effects are very inconsistent. it's completely RNG overall, and Kyle's only hope to win is if his mind is in the right place and it doesn't accidentally kill him. If Kyle tries to pull an Archie Sonic on Simon his ass is 100% getting drilled

How did Hulk shrink Godzilla?

odes

'This was a very close match!" (Free)

Jej
Painful how accurate that is

shitty hypothetical situation

I know you were also in the same thread but that wasn't a hypothetical lmao. That anon literally backed it up by bringing on the Nullifier and lobo's blood clones, and if they used those, then they'll let Kyle keep it and use it against Simon and Simon can't really answer against the Life Equation because it's tied to the Source, which is basically just omnipotence itself since it represented God's thoughts.

Digimon Update, the total number of Digimon is now 1,244. This isn't counting the Appimons.

I assume you mean species and not population.

Goddamn, one for every decillion light-years in the DC universe's diameter!

Yep. They just added four new ones.

That anon literally backed it up by bringing on the Nullifier and lobo's blood clones

Both of those things those characters have actually used and have full control over using.
Kyle has a multitude of pages that say he does not and the one time he does it's a noncanon future where someone with strong willpower just kinda resists it effortlessly.

which is basically just omnipotence itself

This is like saying Simon is omnipotent because Spiral Power can do anything. You're better than this, Kylebro.

Simon said this btw

Why do you assume, with all of this infinite dimensionality autism, that he's actually altering it on infinite dimensional axis's (which it isn't that many anyway but that's for another post) and not just the 3D axis that Kyle presides in? The source wall can be opened by 5 random bumfuck GL's, it doesn't need the highest power just to interact with it.

What are they? Form evos?

Genuine question, is it cuckoldry to want Superman to fuck your mom and be your dad like Jimmy Olsen did? It's insane but I don't know how I would actually describe it.

Completely new species. x.com/Wikimon_net/status/1925372840938754546

This is like saying Simon is omnipotent because Spiral Power can do anything.

If you think that Spiral Power is the same thing as the Source itself, I got a bridge to sell you, Simonfag

Simon doesn't resist transmutation

yeah this really calls into question about how vulnerable the source wall really is, if 5 green lanterns can open it, it's not that impressive

Can't wait til Simon does this to Kyle

Don’t attach Traveler Vs Aang to your retardation.

Spiral Power is evolution and the will to keep fighting

The Source is God's very thoughts

Very simple concept to understand the difference between these two.

If you think that [undefined SUPA STRONG ANIME JARGON] is stronger than [undefined SUPA STRONG COMIC JARGON] y-you're dumb

Yeesh.
You...do know that none of this garbage is measurable? I thought we just had a whole thread of telling off Simonfags to not use this kind of logic. Kinda thought the Kylebros would be a bit better...

nah that would be more like voyeurism since he'd want to see his mom with superman.

Those who know

that's Godzilland Godzilla

Doesn't Simon just shape his body parts into a drill or some stupid bullshit?

I'm sure you felt better saying that, anon

Oh hey, this is like a hybrid of Himiko and Kaguya from mythohistory.

yeah but he doesn't resist being turned into a brick

vague conceptual nonsense

vague conceptual nonsense

Oookay...I don't really know why one is supposed to be "stronger"...
I once met some crazy old guy while walking to work one day who said he was the voice and will of God. Is he like, supposed to be stronger than Kyle and Simon or something?

WAIT WAIT I FORGOT LOL
BOOTA TRANSFORMED INTO A HUMAN WITH SPIRAL POWER
THIS MEANS THEORETICALLY SIMON COULD JUST WILL HIMSELF BACK

My HERO can lift a CANTOR'S PARADOX CARDINALITY on INFINITELY DIMENSIONAL OUTERVER-*gulps* is that a CROSS?!?!? AIIIIIIIIIE IT'S TO HEAVY HEEEEEEEELP.

Yeah.

The difference here is that he can turn parts of HIMSELF into other shit, but he's shown no signs of immunity when someone else does it to him.

Don't forget that Kyle is directly connected to abstract emotional entities and an entity called the Life Entity on top of Source Wall and LE bullshit. Spiral Power would juice up Kyle like some crack addict taking bathsalts.

Nigga wanna be Beedrill so bad.

kylebros are spamming wojaks now

Lordgenome regenerates his entire body from just a mech, then puts his head on a universe sized drill, still alive to shout at Simon
Kittan transmutes Arc-Gurren's drill onto himself
Boota becomes humanoid
Viral wills himself into having spiral power despite being incapable of harnessing it

You're in the wrong board. Anon Babble is that way.

has he ever resisted his brain being turned into a brick?

Rainbow sword? Elaborate

someone posts a wojak

SIMONBROS! RED ALERT!!! THE KYLEFAGS ARE HERE TO RAPE OUR PRECIOUS VERSE WITH THE WOJAKS!!!

All Pokemon ever vs all Digimon ever

he probably would

We already know spiral power can no sell existential shenanigans. Nia should have completely ceased to exist when Anti Spiral died but willed herself to exist until the wedding stuff days later

Spiral power isn't simply 1:1 with will, will just generates spiral power. Unless we can prove that Kyle's gain will be 1:1 with spiral power increase it's a touchy argument. Also spiral power absorbtion

probably

so has he?

Why are you screaming in all caps? You okay?

LE has never been used to do anything of the sort. At best you can person to person with it.

Reminder that without life, will cannot exist. Kyle simply overpowers Simon on a conceptual basis alone.

So, now that Google has released the most powerful AI so far. Do you think these episodes will come out faster? You can do in 3 minutes what an artist can't do in 5 years.

Don't forget that Kyle is directly connected to abstract emotional entities

They all died like halfway through Kyle's story though, right before he got the LE

Kylebros... Are we just making up nonsense at this point?

This is mildly worse than Cuckanon because at least Cuckanon I can write a consistent filter against.

greentexting upsets the simonfag

like clockwork

OH YES!

HE'S GOING TO GO 3-0!

actually wait didn't john bring up spiral power's transformation capabilities as a counter to the LE during the DBcast?

I'm a Kylebro. Again, are you okay?

About a week ago someone said the ending of the fight was basically Simon and Kyle clash with Simon winning out due to Kyle's ring running too low on juice. Simon would then get the ring in the aftermath. From there when questioned to elaborate they said it was Simon+drill with Spiral Power aura against Kyle with sword + emotional spectrum rainbow aura thing.

People variably bought the researcher or called bs but now with the preview art showing rainbow Kyle people are spooked that it could be legit. It's happened once before with Archie Sonic VS Wally

Didn't Boota just speed up his evolution as a species and turn into a humanoid? Because that seems different from transmutation resistance

Let's go over the old cast and ask about/address anything said in it, your choice what clip you go for.
youtube.com/live/16eIBRNfWiA?si=eEU9gC0c8wGIG7Ea&t=2718
For me I'll ask

White Lantern Kyle Rayner is stated to be able to match the Guardians of the Universe who were stated to be able to destroy the ENTIRE multiverse if they put their mind to it

Is this missing any context like a lot of other Kyle posts? Is it true? Give me a quick rundown.

What if they eat the cross?

Apparently he channeled the emotional Entities in his fight with Relic.

Spiral Power is life. Kyle gets stronger as WL via life in the infinite multiverse and will be given both the Life Entity and Life Equation.

But they always job and die like little bitches though. All these "niggaversal" beings ain't jack shit honestly.

Actually, couldn't Kyle just... sap the Spiral Energy out of Simon? Especially since from Kyle's POV, it just looks and acts like Will itself. I can already hear Death Battle making this argument already since they've conflated different energy sources and attacks or techniques before of they act similar enough.

Reminder that without life, will cannot exist.

You say this as if he can't die and that if he does die, all life ceases to exist. It's just not the case. White Kyle has already come close to death with no such reprecussions anyway.

when did it happen with AS VS Wally? Someone claimed the end would be Wally winning by IMPing him to the point where Sonic relived his entire life?

samefagging

He didn't channel them here, part of Lights Out (the storyline prior to the Life Equation/Godhead arc) has them possess/hitchhike in Kyle's body and at one point briefly possess Kyle completely and he only succeeds at getting control back by pitting them against each other.

No and if he could it would only be a fragment since Spiral Power encompasses all emotions instead of just seven. Simon would with a battle of energy siphoning

Kyle actually scale higher than that assumption.

It's happened once before with Archie Sonic VS Wally

What was the description for that one? How close?

Samefagging for who?

Actually, couldn't Kyle just... sap the Spiral Energy out of Simon?

not really

WL Kyle has repeatedly been able to match the Guardians. When he was possessed by the Emotions, they outright tell him (after he shook off the possession) that they would’ve gotten their asses kicked. When the Guardians tried to strip the LE away from Kyle, they immediately started shitting themselves because of his power and could do literally nothing to stop him from accidentally fucking with reality. Also there’s the time that Hal beat the blue snot out of the Guardian who had all of the emotional beasts.

No, Voiceanon revealed it along with some future eps in that

can channel the emotional entities

including Parallax and The Butcher, both of which can fight the Spectre

OH NO NO NO NO SIMONBROS

Show him doing anything similar

reminder that last year DC literally introduced a Cuck Lantern Corps who's debut member was Carol Ferris' boyfriend who got sad over her leaving him to be with Hal again

Goddamn. That is one hell of a leak.

no it was directly stated to be transformation. albeit through LG's spiral power

if he could it would only be a fragment

But if Spiral Power can just turn impossible odds into possible ones, wouldn't that mean that Kyle would become capable of the same thing as Simon if he tapped into that piece of Spiral Energy?

That it was. Wally VS Archie Sonic was a magical waiting period

Still trusting the “leak”

I’m not even doubting it because I’m rooting for Kyle. The only thing that suggests it’s a legit leak is the rainbow colour scheme, which itself is an easy thing to guess because no shit, Kyle’s entire thing is having the powers of every colour of the rainbow.

I’m surprised there wasn’t a sad Lantern corps from the get go.

the lantern ring has, that's where the whole confetti beam came from

Retconned to be not a real Lantern/Emotion Spectrum type. Current storyline is him and a randomly brought back villain trying to make a Sorrow Lantern Battery. If they succeed it will break the Emotional Spectrum.

My hero would be the MASCOT of this corps....

Viral wills himself into having spiral power despite being incapable of harnessing it

Actually in the novelization, Simon grants him Spiral Power when he shares his power with everyone else, which means he can also bestow abilities, like how Lordgenome made Viral immortal

"There, a giant that crossed the galaxy was born. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The ultimate evolution of Gurren Lagann, created by swallowing all of our thoughts, wishes, regrets, hopes, past, and future. That giant, engulfed in green flames, was the greatest power that humanity, or rather the Spiral race, had ever gained. The face is on the chest, abdomen, arms, thighs, legs, and key points of the deformed body. It corresponded to Lagann on which each Team Dai-Gurren was riding. Now each of them had the same power as Simon. However, the voice of the Anti-Spiral sounded there..."

KyleKEKS already coping

This is gonna be Kyle's wincon, is that he's gonna do everything simon can but better and they're gonna chalk it up to experience and creativity.

muh kyle has been doing this stuff his whole life

vs

Simon only called upon such power once when fighting the big bad, kyle has done it all the time

or some other bull shit

Every one believing that leak is true is fucking retarded lmao

someone says that the fight will involve Kyle having a rainbow color scheme somewhere

fight preview shows the rainbow color scheme

OMG ITS REAL???????

There's no specific context missing, but it's weird.

Volthoom said that WL Kyle would have been 'a threat' to the Guardians, but we have no idea what precisely that means, if he could kill one, or kill all of them at the same time, or whatever.

The other bit, Guardians can destroy the entire multiverse, I've looked for it and it doesn't seem to actually exist anywhere.

No because he's not a spiral creature.

Kratosbro....

with Wally vs Archie the guy saying it brought proof and leaked more things unlike this one

What constitutes a spiral creature?

I'm not familiar with Kyle's transmutation capabilities, but if he can do so, then why don't they always do it to the foes that they would be able to?

We already have Willpower>Full Power Life Equation

Wait Kyle was able to beat someone that came from Beyond the Source Wall. Holyshit Simon is toast.

Spiral Power can be within life forms with helical DNA

Basically every fucking living thing. I don't know why that guy thinks Kyle wouldn't be able to manipulate even a piece of the Spiral Energy for himself.

Because he doesn't know about it?

how is that impressive though

And they scaled Kyle to Hal who has the greatest willpower of all the GLs

A CITY LEVEL EXPLOSION!?!?! AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

Sounds like vsbw is fine for real communities (comics) and terrible for fake obsessed communities like anime/manga.

the power exists in every living creature and human

b-but not that human- no

Think about it like this: If Kyle loses in the same way that the leak describes, what’s the worst that happens?

Lol get fucked Kylefags!

If Simon loses and it’s nothing like the leak described-

LMFAOOOOO SIMONFAGS ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE SOME BULLSHIT LEAK HOO HOO HAHHAA

It is a DNA based life form that has naturally evolved within the TTGL setting. Beastmen are artificially created with Spiral Power instead of being evolutions, so they cannot produce Spiral energy and thereby are not Spirals (also they are sterile).

They seemed to be leaning more on Hal>>>>Kyle on the willpower side while playing up Kyle's creativity

Show the next panel where it's revealed that kyle tanked that.

Spiral Power is life.

Not necessarily, unless we're taking verse equalization to the extreme (in that case, we could do it vice versa as well), Spiral Power can only work with Spiral lifeforms in the TTGLverse. "Spirals" don't exist in DC

… after being knocked out.

He's a Green Lantern and a White Lantern, both rings can literally inform him of what energy he absorbed and he'd just exploit it because he has experience of being a lantern to boot.

Does Simon have ways to inform him of what the emotional spectrum, the lantern rings, or the Life Equation even are and what they can do? Because if he doesn't, he is legitimately fucked.

The ring is capable of analyzing and telling him about it. It can probably give him an in depth dissertation about Spiral Energy before Simon finishes his hot-blooded speech about senpai Kamina.

Relic is specifically a survivor from a previous universe where lightsmithery was more common (to the point that they totally depleted their entire universe).

If a city level blast can ko him as white lantern there's a problem there

where does it say he was knocked out?

Relic is more of a danger to Kyle since his whole thing brought confirmation that Kyle's power pool is inherently finite

I assume the quote about the Guardians come from this, but even then one Guardian could wipe out Superboy Prime, and Kyle could take on every single Guardian at once with a pseudo WL form.

yeah that didn't exactly help Adam

Even if it really meant that they're "beyond" (as in the context being that they are "greater") the source wall, why would that matter? The entire DC cosmology is only like 6D anyway, if even that.

I responded to this last thread.

I personally this match is going to focus more on how fast is the rate Simon can increase their Spiral Power. For example, in the Galactic Spiral Abyss, a region of compressed space-time, where Spiral Power was being converted into mass by the space pressure. Many Spirals of the past have died in the Abyss so their Spiral Power was converted into mass making it an ultra-dense space. However Simon was able to quickly increase the amount of Spiral Power fast enough to resist the mass conversion and nearly drag Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren out of the Abyss, which would have worked if they weren't attacked and pushed further down.

The point is Simon's Spiral Power rate is crazy fast and has experience with his energy being drained (under increasing space density, by the way, which is MUCH harder to do than if just one person was doing the draining). Even if Kyle could absorb Simon's energy, Simon could increase his Spiral Power fast enough to make any power boost Kyle gets irrelevant. It will require some calculation autism (calcing the density of the Galactic Spiral Abyss and the rate Simon needed to generate enough Spiral Power to ignore the mass conversion) but it seems more in line to something Death Battle would actually do.

For scaling purposes really.

That was because Apoc could shut that kind of information gathering down.

He's completely limp and gets dropped like a sack of potatoes in the same page as the explosion why shouldn't we assume he's knocked out?

So from what I'm getting at here is that... if Kyle and his ring could inform him of what Spiral Energy is and absorb just a piece of it, he could use it against Simon because he's a naturally evolved human being with normal DNA?

Does Simon have ways to inform him of what the emotional spectrum, the lantern rings, or the Life Equation even are and what they can do? Because if he doesn't, he is legitimately fucked.

I don't see why not considering what spiral computers can do. Even then, why would it matter? Simon is in touch with every possible emotion that can be felt.

but even then one Guardian could wipe out Superboy Prime

Er...all the Guardian could do is just teleport him away.

You SURE you've actually read the comics? Sounds like you don't really know what you're talking about...

Depends on how far you want to take verse equalization, current DC setting also has it so sufficient emotional outbursts from even non ring bearers will bestow lantern powers and constructs.

But if Kyle can absorb a piece of Simon's Spiral Energy, he could potentially be capable of manifesting the same powers that Simon can on top of holding the powers of the White Lantern and the Life Equation. How exactly could Simon defend against that?

He does jump back in just a few pages later, so I think it is less of a KO and more of a stunned or winded state.

Er...

Honestly, given all you have to do is just get slightly angry or fearful or hopeful to be able to wield a Lantern ring, it looks like Simon could just kinda become a White Lantern himself the minute he scans Kyle's ring...

He already defeated the Anti-Spiral which was so far beyond him it literally destroyed STTGL, adding the same bullshit he already defeated won't make much of a difference.

How exactly could Simon defend against that?

he can just manifest more spiral power or steal it back?

You sound kind of mad, anon. You okay there, buddy? This is just a silly fanfiction match.

either that or he could give himself the ability to use Spiral Energy since the rings can just do that like when Hal turned himself into a wizard so he could use magic when he couldn't use his ring

actually wait how do latern rings even work. do they choose who gets to use them?

I don't see why not considering what spiral computers can do

But the Spiral Computers have nothing like the emotional spectrum in their world, they lack the emotional entities, the Life Entity, The Source Wall, and the Life Equation. If Spiral Energy can act similar to Will, and it can be used by normal living things, and it can described as evolution, it'd be a vastly different thing than like, the fucking Source itself.

potentially

That's the issue, Spiral Power is used as by Spirals as a means to evolve, not just get stronger. It's given to them through spiral galaxies because Spiral life is connected to the Universe, so they evolve to acquire more of it. Kyle is a human but he's not a Spiral, he wouldn't be able to evolve because he wouldn't be connected to the infinite Universe like Simon.

But once Kyle has it, he could just stop Simon from doing any of that because he can hold him back with the Life Equation or just reality warping antics. And as a lantern, would it not boost the spiral energy inside him to close the gap?

Kyle just uses the life equation to create a reality where Simon is a normal school student with his living parents present in his life, in school he is with Yoko and Nia and no longer a cuck as Kamina doesn't exist to both inspire and cuck him and his universe doesn't have dangerous spiral power and Simon is happy.

It's DC, so it's not really explained. But all they do is just fly around and scan for whoever the best candidate is and can go to other planets if they need to.

Kyle's ring IS only supposed to be used by him, but there's also been plenty of cases where you can just kinda like, take it from him. Highfather even does the same thing in the White Lantern run, just completely shuts him out until he voluntarily relinquishes the ring.

I don't see why Simon couldn't just yoink the ring off Kyle if push came to shove, since Simon commands all emotions while Kyle only commands 7, and seemingly not very well either.

Kyle is a human but he's not a Spiral

anon, spiral beings are just regular living things and it clearly says that if your dna is a helix, you count as a spiral being. how does being from a different universe, really make that much of a difference when kyle is already FROM a different universe?

I don't think Kyle's used TLA to warp reality on purpose before

since Simon commands all emotions while Kyle only commands 7

because the emotions in Gurren Lagann act like regular human emotions and not the kind of sentient energy forms that the emotional entities are.

Hold on, so all that nonsense about the 'Life Equation' being unable to be taken from Kyle is....bullshit?

Spiral lifeforms have a very specific complex and enormous brain signal that allows them will Spiral Power from the spiral galaxies

"In Arc Gurren Lagann, Gurren Lagann is turning drills as well. Simon is releasing Spiral Power in the cockpit of Lagann. Spiral Power is the force by which the spiral factors that make up spiral lifeforms are synchronized with spiral galaxies, and the potentials inside the galaxies are converted into energy and emitted. Theoretically, a life can release as much energy as a Universe. Synchronizing the galaxy and life requires a complex and enormous electric signal emitted from the nervous centre of Spiral life, that is, the power of the will. Life resonates with the galaxy due to the force of the transcendental double helix."

Hold on, so all that nonsense about the 'Life Equation' being unable to be taken from Kyle is....bullshit?

Oh no, that's still true. It's just that the editors like to treat Kyle like he's DC's Peter Parker and abuse him at any chance they get.

just switch the brain off

could the WL ring get horny from Simon's overwhelming fighting spirit and want him to wear the ring instead? that'd be funny to see

Well yes actually, they do.
I get that but Simon essentially mastered his own emotions. the novel outright states everyone in STGGL was feeling every single emotion. basically overcoming their own emotions. this could, in theory, fuck over kyle.

"Nia entered the cockpit of the Lagann, along with Simon. Each Lagann merged into Gurren Lagann. It was anger. It was sadness. It was compassion. It was every emotion one could think of. The feelings that each of us had in our respective universes appeared in the form of a drill, breaking through the wall. It was appearing in the form of two shapes and sizes, and they became one. If you have no choice but to fight, do not hesitate. We are not afraid to ask for power. If there's a wall, we'll hit and break it, if there's no way, we'll make it with our own hands! No, more. Breaks through cause, effect and fate, the cry of life resounds in the galaxy yet, more. Engrave the feelings of a friend in this body, and turn infinite darkness into light! -That's it. A power greater than the stars, greater than the galaxies. A power greater than dimension and time."

It was anger. It was sadness. It was compassion. It was every emotion one could think of.

Anti-Spiral did that, it was called the multiverse labyrinth, except it had Kamina though. Even then Simon broke out.

Yeah. Even though Kyle IS supposed to be the owner of the Life Equation, you can basically just like, deprive of him of using it pretty easily. It helps that Kyle thinks he's not SUPPOSED to own the Life Equation. It's why, ultimately, he relinquishes access of it for himself permanently.

Also doesn't help that both the ring and the Equation are sorta tied, so taking away or dejuicing the ring means Kyle is just....fucked.

Guardians and Controllers are enormous jobbers though. Larfleeze slaughtered a whole troop of Controllers, Atrocitus fisted a Guardian, Sinestro with Parallax murdered a whole bunch of them too. Hell, even back in COIE Guy basically no sold an anti-matter blast that killed all but one Guardian. Hal, Kyle, Guy, John and Kilowog together also beat Parallax-possessed Ganthet. Hal, Guy, Kyle and John also beat up a squad of Controllers with some minor help. There are most definitely other instances.

and Kyle could take on every single Guardian at once with a pseudo WL form.

Didn't Ganthet blast a hole through him when he tried, with Kyle needing to go actual WL mode to chase him off?

White Lantern? After I'm done it'll be Black.

That's why i explicitly said that he DIDNT have Kamina in it. Because it was Kamina's ghost that broke simon out of it, because if it wasn't for kamina he'd still be stuck there

Spiral Power is the force by which the spiral factors that make up spiral lifeforms are synchronized with spiral galaxies, and the potentials inside the galaxies are converted into energy and emitted. Theoretically, a life can release as much energy as a Universe. Synchronizing the galaxy and life requires a complex and enormous electric signal emitted from the nervous centre of Spiral life, that is, the power of the will.

the power of the will.

will

Well... there you go. Won't be long now before Death Battle makes the argument that Spiral Energy is too similar to Willpower itself for Kyle to just... take it away from him after his ring tells him what it is he's absorbing.

Kyle and Simons BVLL

I don’t think energy siphoning from either of them is a factor. Since both have shown to be able to regen their power sources whenever they want.

Just half a year... in half a year he will catch up

Yeah, I'm pretty sure kek.

I mean if some goober like Highfather just casually yeets the ring off his finger because Kyle doesn't even think he should have it, Simon is literally the posterboy for actual life and emotion himself.

OH SHIT

This isn't quite accurate, but at the same time it is. So the White Lantern ring is spun up in the Life Equation after Kyle exists the Source. The only reason that Highfather takes Kyle's ring as part of his process is to distract Kyle from realizing the true process that Highfather did. That process was setting up a backdoor entrance into Kyle's mindscape to harness the Life Equation. Kyle later gets his ring back and it doesn't give him any power for this reason as well.
HOWEVER, the Omega Men (another Kyle story, where the inerton feat comes from, from after Kyle splits the Life Equation and forms the never to be seen again White Lantern Corps) has Kyle relinquish the ring and he isn't able to just call it back to himself.
So you're correct, but with the wrong evidence.

It's going to come down to experience and creativity 100% and then they're going to bull shit that kyle has been doing the large scale shit longer. Kyle is probably gonna come off as a mentor type 'not bad kid' kinda attitude and a 'you remind me of me' ect.

They're gonna treat it like Zetanna's fight where she just had more experience batting 100% more often and Simon only ever had to do it once.

JUST SIX MORE TRAINING ARCS TRUST THE PLAN

Yeah, but Simon can do that, while Kyle....uh....can't. It's literally like, a hugely important fact and part of his story that his power source will eventually drain down to zero.

Anon, Kyle literally said that he can reform it again if he has to. Highfather messed with Kyle's head to trick him into giving him access to it, but when Kyle realized the ruse, he took it back.

If Kyle felt unworthy of keeping the Life Equation, why the hell did he take back ownership of it instead of giving it to someone else?

It was one of the biggest deciding factors in Simon beating Kyle in the cast. Kyle's just shit against energy siphoners and has only continued to get btfo by them even in scenarios where he had the home field advantage

permanently

we literally just had a panel in the last thread that had kyle saying that if he ever needs to use the LE again, he could just do that

Power source leads to the destruction of the universe

This sounds familiar

I don't know why people jackoff the possibility since the LE was more of a problem for him and drained him every time he had a fit for him. Frankly him getting the Life Equation seems more of a hinderance since the guy flat out can't use it

spiral beings are just regular living things

That's not true. Viral and the Beastmen are living things as well. They require oxygen, food and sleep to survive but they aren't Spirals.

how does being from a different universe, really make that much of a difference when kyle is already FROM a different universe?

Because he's not a Spiral, I don't know what you want me to say. You're trying to take verse equalization to the extreme even though Spiral Power is similar but different thing to what willpower is in DC.

The best way I can sort of make an analogy for it is like owning a car.

If I own a car, legally, then that's just stated fact. You can't really take away legal ownership as a concept.

But, if someone steals the keys to my car, then I won't be able to use it. Sure, I still LEGALLY own the car, but that doesn't really mean anything at all. And, like Kyle, I can't just magically will my keys back to myself. The person who stole them has to give them back to me.

The fact that we literally have Kyle on record saying that he could reform the Equation back if he ever needed to, just means that he's accepted that he's the owner of the Life Equation. Otherwise, why would he ever want anything to do with it?

Not quite, or at least not the reading I took from it. Kyle had to have his Guardian friends help him split the Life Equation to make and maintain the White Lantern Corps rings. He talks more vaguely about it in picrel than just implying that he could resummon them himself.

Listen Kyle can say what he wants but it doesn't change the events we see and the circumstances involved. Kyle needed help to split the thing, I can't imagine him being able to reforge it solo. Plus again even if he did he'd still be left with a thing killing him that he can't control for shit.

Please pay close attention this scan here It’s clearly conveying Kyle is refueling his own power source.

when it comes down to long-lasting power and will, I really think Simon might win in that regard. also unrelated what the fuck do the emotional entities even do

No it was due to closing in on the source wall which is where his power source is

Viral and the Beastmen are living things as well. They require oxygen, food and sleep to survive but they aren't Spirals.

Yes, because they were specifically made that way. They're artificial beings created by a human. Kyle's not artificial.

You're trying to take verse equalization to the extreme even though Spiral Power is similar but different thing to what willpower is in DC

Because Death Battle has only done verse equalization when similar enough objects or powersets interact with each other. So while they act different in each other's verse, only in DC will Death Battle lean more favorably towards because within the DC Universe, does Spiral Power act the most similar to Will.

Pardon me but I don't think "the power of will" is defined as "a complex and enormous electric signal emitted from the nervous centre of Spiral life" by any real biologist, much less in the DC Universe. Probably because Spirals don't exist there. So perhaps it's exclusively a Spiral thing? Just a though?

I think we're ignoring that scans like these came before below
this where kyle realizes he can just MAKE more energy himself

Simon's motivational speeches could unironically be an advantage for Kyle

Kyle only ever states he'll use the Life Equation "in case things get really bad". And he sends the White Lantern Corps across the universe because he DOESN'T want to ever meet them ever again.

The WHOLE POINT of his story is that he DOESN'T want to use the Life Equation. Not only is it a corrupting force that he's already seen turn Highfather into a copy of Darkseid, it quite literally is killing him and he's aware he's going to become a monster in the future if he uses it.

You need to actually read the story to understand this stuff, don't just read Reddit respect threads and assume you've got the full scope.

what is the context here? post more than one comic page god damn it

Okay, man.

I don’t if I’m talking to ESL or people who refuse to interpret pictures and words.

Where's the narration that says that the wall was charging him?

Kyle already knows what spiral energy is, he's seen the show, he knows how it works and how to counter it.

Gee if that was the case why didn't he just do it here? Why is he still getting btfo by energy drain to this day?

Kyle only ever states he'll use the Life Equation "in case things get really bad".

...and fighting a mech that's bigger than a multiverse at best, isn't something that's "really bad"?

Basically, Kyle gets completely drained by this Relic guy during a fight, even with the full power of the emotional entities backing him.

Then, Hal comes up with a plan to try and shove Relic into the Source Wall. Kyle (inadvertantly) gets a boost from flying so close to the Source Wall and manages to recharge while doing so.

Note that he had to get REALLY close to the Source Wall to be able to do this. Maybe, he could like, uh, run away from Simon and try to get to the Source Wall if he needs a quick refill? Seems kind of weak as an argument...

Not only is it a corrupting force that he's already seen turn Highfather into a copy of Darkseid, it quite literally is killing him and he's aware he's going to become a monster in the future if he uses it.

Like an Anti-Spiral? Well I know a certain "spiral" to deal with such a thing.

Because that was before he truly realized he can manifest energy on his own? This would be like if I posted the one scene of simon struggling to get his powers to work and going 'oh look simon struggles using manifesting energy'

Simon gets a lantern ring the moment he learns it runs on Willpower

Yup yup yup easiest win of Simon’s life

And even if he had no clue, the ring could just tell him what it is anyway

There's nothing in the story saying he got a power boost from being close to the source wall. What's even powering him up since he's OUTSIDE the source wall? The emotional reservoir is filled from the other side!

Does the ring work on foreign setting stuff?

I mean....Kyle didn't even resummon the Corps and remake the Life Equation when Perpetua and Batkek came around.

So....yeah?

Anon, are you on drugs?

Maybe, he could like, uh, run away from Simon and try to get to the Source Wall if he needs a quick refill?

Swan literally used this argument in the cast

I agree, but it wasn't just so simple with Highfather to take the ring, he had to do that whole mind trickery to keep Kyle misdirected. Granted, he really didn't need to since he could easily subjugate Kyle in his own mindscape.

I don't know, someone post something from Marvel vs DC

Nah. It actually specifically couldn't even translate Relic's language, because it came from another universe.

Saying it could figure out what Spiral Energy is seems EXTREMELY dicey.

Going by the preview he does just that.

Bro it's been stated many times that Kyle is a fan of TTGL

Pretty much everything being said in these threads are things that came up in the dbcast of this fight.

Kyle only ever states he'll use the Life Equation "in case things get really bad".

And he sends the White Lantern Corps across the universe because he DOESN'T want to ever meet them ever again.

So does he actually need the Life Equation or not? Because you can't say that you don't want to see the White Lantern Corps but then say that you want to keep them around in case things get hairy.

it quite literally is killing him

he's going to become a monster in the future if he uses it

So is he going to live long enough to become said monster or is he going to fucking die? Which is it?

this is getting stupid.
the thing is he can just learn about it through a spiral scanner through dai-gurren

How do we all the lady and everything around them isn't just really big?

Oh no Simonsisters, Kyle can refuel his own power source. Making only 1 of the 2 half decent win cons irrelevant.

Chalk it up to Plot Induced Stupidity considering in Secret Wars 2015, no one had the bright idea to just use the fucking Nullifier against them when they were destroy everything.

Green Lantern Annual Vol 5 Iss 2 Pub 2013
Just in case you wanted to hunt down the comic and get the full context instead of secondhand.

That's a good point. The ring hacks machines and there Simon uses machines. And Simon wouldn't know to guard against that until something is going wrong because he's never dealt with hacking before.

Question. Superman is powered by sunlight, yet his Kryptonian cells exceed infinite levels of power despite the star being finite.

Can that not be applied?

Who are you quoting

Inconsistent writers

searched the crossover rand found this
Kyle is a real bro summoning recharging babes for Silver Surfer

I wouldn't call this "to this day" because this story happened at the tail end of New 52.

The Life Equation is a nothing burger that DCfags latch onto because of vague cosmology scaling when there are too many factors against it. For one it is killing Kyle and fucks him up whenever he has a sperg fit with it. Two, he can't use it and its basically a glorified RNG. Three, Simon has strong arguments of being able to ignore due to people near him resisting it when he couldn't control it and Future's End outright confirming you can null a mastered form of it if you willpower real good

That doesn't really mean anything though. I highly doubt DB would count that. Although this is DB they done dumber things.

Nah. It actually specifically couldn't even translate Relic's language, because it came from another universe.

Correction. It came from a PREVIOUS version of the universe. There's a difference. Kyle would still be able to comprehend what Spiral Energy is.

Simon can analyze Kyle's ring and learn about it via Spiral Scan

Lantern Rings don't work on characters that come from outside the DC universe

Isn't this actually really fucking bad for Kyle

this Godzilla is just human sized but still a casual moon buster

Hacking you say..?

WOAH WOAH WOAH, I just realized. Even IF we entertain the idea of Kyle being a Spiral or Kyle becoming a Spiral, he would need to be able to control that energy alongside his other abilities, no? Hell, Spiral Power becoming connected to life might even become amplified to uncontrollable levels through the Life Equation, something Kyle doesn't even know how to use. Which would mean that Kyle would cause the Spiral Nemesis, perhaps on an Omniversal scale because of it being boosted by the Life Equation.

Not to mention the fact that the Spiral Nemesis will have all Spirals (in this case, Simon and Kyle) turn into galaxies before they come together to create a black hole that engulfs and destroys all of reality.

Simon already went beyond infinity, heck the Anti-Spiral was already beyond infinity and he was the one who was obsessed with the spiral nemesis ending everything through continuous use of spiral power. Similar concept I guess.

He becomes a mad god with the events we see a portion of in New 52 Futures End New Guardians. It is just also that having the Life Equation be a part of himself for as long as it was had reduced his corporeal stay in reality and he was as a result fading into the Source. This is why he wanted to find a successor that could either continue or end his rulership.

Not particularly because if you want to use that argument, we an bring up the Marvel vs DC crossovers and the ring understood who the Silver Surfer was just fine.

Also, as said, it's from a previous version of reality, not something outside of it.

Cosnidering the Green Lantern originally was inspired by the genie of the ring and genie of the lamp, let’s use a metaphors

If you have three wishes of infinite power, do they stop being infinite because you can only use it so many times?

Why didn't anyone use UN against the other Earths during the Incursion business either? By which I mean, was it explained or is it plot contrivance?

So out of the 20+ days of arguing in these threads, what’s your conclusion Anon Babble? Who wins?

Simon. Mostly because Kyle isn’t Hal.

I'm leaning towards Simon. Kyle seems cool but he's just the potential man of lanterns

Kyle when Energy Drain CHADS show up

KINGTOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS

Kyle, not because he should win but because I'm a pessimist who is too used to the eternal comic book status quo of death battle.

Simon's had more actual solid arguments. Kyle's has just basically been vague "muh cosmology" crap.

Kyle because I think he looks cool :)

Leaning Simon

Death Battle is hard to predict so it could go either way.
If I had it my way, then it would be Simon because I value narrative structure and consistency when it comes to measuring the abilities of characters and DC has a lot of low moments that really bring that average down.
As for the gestalt of /dbg/, shitposters are more towards Kyle, but there are some actual DC supporters that prefer the max gestalt of feats approach that Death Battle generally takes. Thread seemingly agrees more with the Simon arguments, but that could be my bias coloring it.

If Simon and Godzilla win will it unironically be over for big 2 capefags?

"muh cosmology"

Unless you have special immortality like Spawn, this is the strongest argument that tends to be applied in death battles.

A lot of the Kyle arguments just seem to hinge on 'my infinity is bigger than your infinity' and very shaky arguments to say he could counter power drain, especially when the only time Kyle has ever drained an enemy is from a noncanon Marvel crossover. I could buy that Kyle could flee to the Source Wall to recharge himself, but Simon will likely be granted similar fuck you levels of speed and missiles guaranteed to hit you at every point in your timeline.

In order for Kyle to win, he'd have to basically remove Spiral Power as a concept to make Simon stop fighting before Kyle inevitably runs out of juice. And I just...don't buy he can do that with the Life Equation. If anything, it seems like Kyle may actually screw himself over.

And even THAT may still not work, since Simon could generate Spiral Power when it was explicitly impossible to generate Spiral Power.

Yeah, I think Kyle's just fucked. This really should've been Hal with his God of Light form or something.

Not as long as they have Goku caged and betrayed

Simon based on these threads. Also if the DBcast is any indication, doing more research just puts more chinks in Kyle's proverbial armor comparatively

So what’s the finale? SSTGL vs Life Entity?

No, Thor and Superman scalers are going to hold their wins against Vegeta and Goku above their heads forever.

Kyle absorbs Spiral Power, becomes a Spiral

Kyle's Spiral Power becomes layered on top of the Life Equation

Kyle doesn't know how to use the Life Equation without fucking up

Kyle's Spiral Power becomes uncontrollable

Kyle and Simon both transmutate into galaxies, coming together creating a black hole that destroys the DC Universe in its entirety, killing them both

This, they should have just given Hak a run back. He gets the cooler moments.

Hulk has already been buck broken by Broly. Even though Marvel changed to infinite cosmology shit after that, Brolybros can take satisfaction there.
There's also Spawn who made Zarathos let out a mighty AIEEEE.

Are we sure everything isn't just huge so Godzilla just looks normal?

Kyle can't have the Life Equation and the emotional entities at the same time. The emotional entities sacrifice themselves to let Kyle pass through the Source Wall safely which is where he found the Life Equation in the first place.

Best bet is Kyle making a drill of pure Source energy, or something.

What are the odds of a tie?

Eh…. People will just say Hal should have been used.

Kyle’s a big name for ist battleboardeds

Hulk's already gotten his ass whooped by Broly. With Kyle it would depend on the context. If they unironically give him full power life equation and still have him lose to Simon then it would be beyond over for capefags.

Those are some crazy braps

Counterpoint, we had Dio with laser eyes and the World

Time for the REAL strongest lantern to step into the fray

Kong? Canonically jobs to Godzilla (multiple times)

he'd have to basically remove Spiral Power as a concept

Spiral Nemesis

just curious but does gurren lagann get faster with more spiral power and not just stronger? and if so, could he harness enough to keep up with kyle even with the speed force feat?

Yep, but that was because they went with the wishy washy 'Dio's never SHOWN to have lost his vampire powers'. While the emotional entities are just, 100% dead and gone for the rest of Kyle's time as White Lantern.

Hell, that's the same episode where they said Alucard's powers and Schrodinger were incompatible.

When they became Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann they gained the power to attack in every planck instant in past present and future so yes.

Frankly if you go by the extra stuff it really doesn't matter. It's already transcended beyond the concept of time making speed irrelevant.

Spiral Nemesis at max power destroys “the universe”

The Emotional Spectrum rebooting destroys “the universe”

So Scooby beats both?

Well with DIO there is some precedent for him to have both sets of powers since HFTF have SRSE as a special. This in tandem with it never being stated that he lost his vampire powers is at least some justification.

Didn’t Parallax come back in Rebirth AFTER Lights Out when Sinestro pupppeted him against Hal and Pals?

And Kyle became White Lantern again like five months ago

Where the fuck did they get the number for Bejita from?

Dead and gone for the remainder of N52 that is. They come back in rebirth.

Multipliers

Wiz: It's important to note that Ultra Ego's power boost has never been stated, but we do know that Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta were roughly even in power. When Goku applied a Kaio-ken x20 boost to fight Jiren, Vegeta kept up after going Blue Evolved, implying that both increases in power are roughly the same increase. Similarly, Blue Vegeta matched base Top, and needed Blue Evolved to keep up with Top's God of Destruction form, which is extremely similar to Ultra Ego in theme and purpose. Given this is the best current example of a measurable form akin to Ultra Ego, we can assume that Ultra Ego's boost in power, at least initially, could be extremely similar in terms of a percentage increase, making Ultra Ego's original state about 20 times more powerful than Blue Evolved. With that in mind, Vegeta at his peak could destroy a universe roughly 260,000 times over.

Given how they're able to warp time itself to attack an unfathomable amount of times at once and alter probability, I'd say it's safe to assume that endgame Gurren Lagann's speed isn't "speed" but hax.

Read , and also go read Lights Out itself. Parallax was joined to Sinestro at the time and didn't actually participate in the refilling of the emotional reservoir. Kyle picked up 6 which we had to make fight each other inside his body, then Butcher joined on later.

I know there's some weird hokey retelling of the event that says Parallax was part of it, but that's just...outright wrong.

alright found it, in the Green Lantern/Silver Surfer crossover (which directly leads into the main Marvel vs DC crossover since it ends with the box) an early Kyle is capable of draining both Thanos with Green Lantern energy and Parallax with Power Cosmic so yeah he can absorb foreign powers
he couldn't handle the power but considering this is an early Kyle and Hal and Silver Surfer could handle and control it just fine it's probably because he's inexperienced

hmmmm yeah even if kyle gets the whole emotional spectrum and goes rainbow mode, i don't see him winning this. STGGL is directly stated to be powered be every single emotion that exists. feeling everything at the same time and transcends time and dimensions. plus his willpower is just objectively worse.

I still dont get how they ended up with such a low number for Ego Bejita. Lol my only guess if they went manga only and ignored Goku absorbing the God form into his base.

Kong is comparable to Godzilla

Godzilla is comparable to STTGL

Kong with the Lantern Ring is stronger then his base form

DONE

Pffft that's so dumb, UI and UE are obviously way stronger than just twenty times Blue Kaioken/Evolution

They basically made up the idea that Vegeta and Goku were weaker than Broly even though Goku and Vegeta were declared to be the strongest mortals in the universe at the time of the arc.

UE is weaker then Anime Tournament of Power Base Goku because the Super manga is weaker then the anime

Kong is comparable to Godzilla

No hes not. He got BTFO'd while having a weapon specifically to neg Godzilla's breathe and unleash massive damage in return. Almost got fucking killed if it weren't for Godzilla being a chill dude in the Legendary continuity

Godzilla is comparable to STTGL

what

Super Robot Wars
Classic Mega Man is also comparable to him

Godzilla is in Super Robot Wars

Then how is the Predator back?

Calling it now.
The Life Entity, Life Equation, and the Source Wall are going to give Kyle the win, though barely.

I just considered them to be infinite multiplers. Just the Godform gave Goku the ability to vaporize 4 infinite realms when before he could maybe destroy the living universe if you wank him and use anime filler just by punching. MUI is supposed to be like infinitely stronger than that

Super Robot Wars

you gotta elaborate what exactly happened there for Godzilla to be comparable to STTGL
Mega Man too, for that matter

Classic Mega Man is comparable to STTGL

Classic Sonic was capable to giving a greasy handshake to Classic Mega Man

Modern Sonic is stronger then Classic Sonic

Modern Sonic lost to Darkseid

Because the amount of materials needed to make Godzilla sized pancakes would cause a famine.

GATTAI is hacking, Spiral Energy by itself possesses his mech, especially once you get to TTGL where it's thought given form via their super spiral universe. It's not impossible that Simon's basically possessing his mech with his will, at which point you're not "hacking it" with a typical virus, you'd need to overcome the will of the pilot.

Uhhh, don't know how that's relevant here. Blue Evolution is in the manga too you dummy

Not if everything was Godzilla sized.

Another thing to note is that even if you ignore the extra context information from the guides / novelization and stuff, The Big Crunch feat already puts em beyond time and space due to how it works

FUCKING KNEEL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU
youtube.com/watch?v=rqAmzPj9bLE

Godzilla is canon to super robot wars lol
youtu.be/ebBuQyViAHE?si=dCC5tvzVhTSJ3QnJ

What Big Crunch feat?

So multiple forms of outside help?

So is Aikatsu and Love Live, point?

Thanos explicitly describes the energy as 'almost limitless' and it still completely overloads and almost kills Kyle. Saying 'Surfer could handle it' just tells me Surfer is stronger than Kyle, which is backed up given Surfer absolutely fucking floored Kyle in another crossover.

Imagine if the ending is Simon just pumping out infinite amounts of Spiral Power and Kyle popping like a balloon, kek.

All this time I'm confused why Transformers isn't.

would the emotional entities even be able to do anything to STTGL? that's what I want to know

From the movie. They caused a Big Crunch

Dude you know they're going to give Kyle it anyway.

These threads have been a shitshow but From the decent replies and arguments I’ve seen, I’m honestly in favor of Kyle. But it’s ultimately up to if Death Battle includes Source/LE bullshit. And how far they scale both cosmologies. Which I’m included to believe they will include Source bs and LE. And I see them pulling the rug under our feet and say both verses are infinite dimensional. (Then later scale DC to be smaller lol)

Even if we do scale both verses as infinite, the thing is that I don’t see Simon having a permanent way of putting Kyle down on a good day. Nothing I’ve seen or researched can actually take Kyle down, besides Spiral Power being able to eventually surpass him but even then Kyle grows stronger as long as life exists. For as long life exists, so does Kyle. That’s the nature of a white lantern. In a metaphysical way you have to destroy all life if you want Kyle gone. While Kyle, if he has access to Source/LE has multiple ways of putting Simon down. Hell Kyle in his base Green Lantern form is more than capable of contending with most of Simon’s mechs. Kyle as a white Lantern has Life Manipulation as well, he can just eventually strip Simon of his life.

I'm pretty much on Simon's team but I doubt DB will use crossover feats at all.

How Powerful is Hank's propane if it's considered a more powerful fuel sorce than the power cosmic?

Put your trip back on Otto we know it's you.

Boundless

It'll be given to kyle based off the explanation that Kyle has fought being on the anti-spiral's scale much longer and more often than Simon has, more over spiral power doesn't make you invincible as characters comparable to simon have died in the past like Kamina when he had his own immense will power.

besides Spiral Power being able to eventually surpass him but even then Kyle grows stronger as long as life exists

What I recall them saying in the DBCast, there was a possibility the battle would go on forever if the wincons can't be reached.

Kyle. At this point I've just felt nothing but hate towards streetshitting Simonfags.

when tengen toppa gurren lagann and granzeboma had a GIGAAAAA DRILLLL BREAKERRRRRR showdown, it caused the big crunch
youtu.be/ZxNss-vrB2g?si=pCXZp4XeuxURcaQK

...meanwhile in canon.

Just teleporting a few people around the universe was almost enough to kill Kyle and he immediately needed the Guardians and Carol to stabilize him afterwards.

He's just an avatar of life force energy, not LITERALLY the entirety of DC's life force wrapped up in a single being.

Ring turn Simon into a corndog

Boom. Done. That easy. Corndogs don't have a will.

propane

failed to kill Hank

Hank

jobbed to a small rock

And it's happening in an infinite universe far surpassing the Anti-Spiral's own infinite labyrinth and even the IBBS which already surpassed that earlier

Simon. I really think energy drain and finite + concentration dependent power pool is going to fuck Kyle in the end

Yeah Kyle wins, ez fucking pz

Asura scales above Ryu who scales to pretty much everything

As expected of a featchad

Oh, yeah. He can just suck the life out of you with those beams.

Godzilla is canon to super robot wars lol

No I know that, but why would he scale to TTGL? Did Godzilla fight TTGL in the story or something? Does he fight someone who fought TTGL?
Or did Godzilla not even interact with anyone but VBW tards scale him just because?

that's the same gun that knocked out Thor btw

And other such fanfiction I love to tell myself.

He tanked that rock after taking a hit from the MOTHERFUCKING BIIIIIILLLLLL DOOOOOZER!

Gundamchads!

Keaton scales to Mortal Kombat characters

Mortal Kombat characters scale to Ryu thanks to Fortnite

Ryu scales to Asura thanks to Asura's Wrath

we've all been fools

Boota has spiral power and was able to transform sooooo you sure he can't just will himself back? Simon turned his own hand into a drill too.

but even then Kyle grows stronger as long as life exists

To what extent though? He couldn't punch out the alien that was siphoning him easily, he didn't grow that much.

In a metaphysical way you have to destroy all life if you want Kyle gone

Where the hell did you get this idea from? That never happened.

I'm very well aware, just saying that even if the one crossover where Kyle actually had energy drain of his own, it was noticeably massively worse than Simon's.

Notably, the one source of Kyle's energy drain in canon is him clearly slowly trying to concentrate while absorbing a star destroying entropic weapon. I mean, Simon in a weaker form did struggle to absorb an infinite number of big bangs or whatever that was, but, I think that's a little bit above...

Honestly, the fact they didn't bring up energy drain as one of Kyle's 'esoteric' Green Lantern powers at the start of the preview is pretty bad and indicative of them not giving it to him during the episode and kind of a death flag already.

I thought he turned his blood into a drill

No one said he had life drain, where was this?

"tanked"

got knocked out by it

Kyle transforms Simon into a corndog

Dives into Kyle's throat and chokes him to death

nope. his drill HIS SOOOOOOOOOUUUULLLLL

to what extent

Infinitely. Or more accurately, the number of "Yes".

Then how did he not overcome the warmonger easily?

Kyle can't die as long as life exists

and we know that people with Spiral power CAN die since people like kamina who had strong willpower have died before despite being how powerful the energy is

if he turns him into another living being like when Hal's ring turned his ally into a bird when he was asleep and not wearing it then sure but if he turns him into a non-sentient object like an orange then probably not

Anon...Anon it's...on the image?

I mean in the sea of arguments, as it’s just been mentioned now

How did Simon not overcome the Anti Spiral easily?

Uh, I don't know if this looks infinite to you...sure doesn't look like it to me, though.

b-but he's not feeling the power of life here!

He's literally begging to let alien Hitler live.

Oh and btw space Hitler gets his head cut off like one page later.

By the way, I don't know this affects the fight or not but Gurren Lagann is sentient from a Q&A

"androidnoobbaby: In Evangelion, Diebuster and Gurren-Lagann, the mecha have their own consciousness. Would you say that this inspired you to take it even further with the DarliFra, which blurs the line between character and robot with the Pistils and the Franxx being extensions of each other?

Hiromi Wakabayashi324: I'm surprised that you've caught on to that. You've definitely studied the concept for GAINAX mech series. Darling in the Franxx definitely follows this trend. I cannot disclose any information, but I hope you enjoy the rest of Darling in the Franxx!"

archive.md/uLcmx

If I recall

Lordgenome restored himself from just being a lobotomized head just to convert the IBBS into spiral energy, "dies", but was still conscious after the fact, if only inside the spiral energy, since he fucking yells at Simon

Boota turns himself humanoid

Kittan grafts a broken-off drill from Arc-Gurren onto his mech by transmuting it before he does his giga drill

Viral was granted the ability to use spiral energy by Simon despite being incapable of using it since his very creation

Then there's TTGL being a super spiral universe that's "thought given form" and other shit in that vein.

It’s in the scan. The shockwaves that are coming from his ring are stripping the life away from the guardians. It does not outright state it in any speech bubble or caption but the art is clearly conveying they’re experiencing life and death simultaneously or at the very he’s stripping life way. In one wave they’re normal guardians and in the next way they’re clearly dead. Or he turned them into skeletons (?)

Kyle has way too many showings proving that is certainly not the case

Nigga who cares.

even though I'm still on team kyle I think the sequence of every mech coming out to continue the clash is fucking cool lol

The Anti-Spiral was explicitly matching his power level even as Simon got immeasurably stronger.

FAGGOT IS CRYING

So

Most of Marvel < Power Cosmic < Propane < Hank < Small Rock

Who can beat outer-omniversal Small Rock?

The rock only worked because Bill damaged him first. He really tanked it because it healed him. (Reset his nose) Hank only passed out because of the damage Bill did. If a rock tried to hit full power Hank it would turn to dust before hitting him. His propane aura is simply to hot and clean burning.

The fact his main thing is just going "no u" and no selling everything with no issue, he should've overwhelmed that whiny faggot immediately.

Not quite. Kyle's Life Equation was freaking out of his control here and he was just warping reality in the surrounding area against his own will.

He turns the Guardians into skeletons and Carol into his old fridge girlfriend, but then in the very next page it's shown they're back to normal and 'fine'.

Dude just can't really control what the Life Equation does. Hell, there's a big chance it just ends up healing Simon at some point if he gets hurt.

a character from the human pony show could casually crush a small rock with her hands

Boota has a will. A corndog does not have a will. Boom, Done.

Lord Genome

He was brought back to life by Rossiu recovering his head and putting it in a jar. Everything else was after he was brought back to life not by his own power but by science.

Boota

Boota has a will.

Kittan

Kittan has a will.

Viral

Viral has a will.

None of these examples show someone coming back from being an inanimate object.

The Anti-Spiral only got surprised by Simon & co when they went TTGL. It then KEPT matching them easily even until the STTGL clash, where it broke the drill down.
Simon overcame them again when Gurren Lagann clashed with the Super Granzebooma, and then after Simon got 1v1 with the Anti-Spiral, he actually surpassed him fully.
I guess it could be argued that the Anti-Spiral was growing in power when it went against STTGL instead of just holding back less because it starts going "Interesting!" like a fightfag for the one and only time in the series.

c-crying

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

post kyle turning someone into an inanimate object then

He was brought back to life by Rossiu recovering his head and putting it in a jar. Everything else was after he was brought back to life not by his own power but by science.

That has nothing to do with the feat in question, you're just deflecting. Lordgenome had his body regenerated from just a head when they became TTGL. Even after he "died" against the IBBS he was still conscious.
When has Kyle ever transmuted someone into an inanimate object?

simon gets turned into a corndog

then simon gets turned back into a human literally one second later and probably made stronger because Kyle is a retard

Yep yep, this was Simon's easiest win.

there's still a chance they save it for the post fight analysis like they always do when they wanna bring up a 'gotcha'

SIMONBROS EMERGENCY MEETING!!!
youtube.com/live/Fy0zWI7g19U?si=9qLF-TuV4jy7KbjT

If he could've overwhelmed the AS in his base mech and then human form like in the 2nd movie, then why didn't he just outright win with ease? The entire final fight didn't need to happen.

Honestly the fact that Kyle is using power constructs associated with death battle losers already feels like a death flag

It's like you didn't watch the series but the whole point is that Simon's moving forward. Spiral Power is a drill constantly going higher. So the simple answer is that Simon outpaced the Anti-Spiral's growth as it held back less and less. The entire fight needed to happen for him to overcome the Anti-Spiral. The Anti-Spiral comparably wants to prove that it's useless to stand against it.

Baki

star destroying entropic weapon

that's... honestly pretty weak

A corndog does not have a will.

Oh and since Simon is always going higher (he didn't get any weaker between pre-timeskip and timeskip) he's going to be starting out at this level. Maybe he'd unveil more of it as he's pressured and eventually be forced to grow, he's still at the level of 1v1ing the Anti-Spiral.

THIS is the extent of the corndog shitposters

OH NO NO NO NO AHAHHAHAHAHAAHAH

That gun destroys all of DC and Marvel’s cosmology btw

Could probability manipulation work against this?

Green Lanterns can't transmute people

Simon has no answer to the corndog counter.

But that's Hal!

They all can do it.

Look if you need to report to just spouting 'y-you didn't watch the series', then I already have my answer.
The Anti Spiral was a massive fraud of a final villain if he could get BTFO'd from a fist fight with Simon and couldn't even do anything that had any effect on the guy. But that's mostly down to TTGL's "my oc can beat your oc" type of dumbest writing with a vague hint of a standard "keep moving forward" message.

looks like simon just gets turned back from a corndog to normal by kyle himself

Simon has no answer to the corndog counter because it has no will!

meanwhile Lordgenome fucking "dies" after turning into a universe sized drill but he's still yelling at Simon

Hal and the gay one have transformed The Flashes into protons (Pre-Crisis Flashes have already resisted being transmutation before so them still thinking isn't an anti-feat)

"my oc can beat your oc"

moving forward is a "vague hint"

Did someone strike a nerve?

A bigger rock

SO THE LE IS JUST FUCKING USELESS. OKAY FUCK THIS SHIT

I don't like the writing, so it didn't happen!

The Super Granzebooma stemmed entirely from the Anti-Spiral. Simon flew through the entire thing just to punch the Anti-Spiral, personally, in the face.
It happened, cry about it.
Simon > Anti-Spiral in base as far as the DB is concerned.

Simon doesn't have resistance to transmutation because then he wouldn't have been scared of the Spiral Nemesis, which has him transmutate into a literal galaxy

Simon > Anti-Spiral in base as far as the DB is concerned.

This applies to base Asura > Chakravartin but look how that turned out

I said Kyle. not Hal. :)

Nah, I just hate the second half's writing.
So you're admitting it's retarded?

dang :<

Can you argue that Kamina and Kittan still existed as "souls" within Spiral Power?

I've figured out the outcome that would genuinely piss off the most people.

Cue climax

Big ol clash

Kyle wins

Takes core drill and flies away smiling

. . .

zooms out

Kyle is in the extradimensional labyrinth zonked out

Simon sighs and shakes his head before finishing Kyle

No bro they're just fucking dead lol.

He was dying not dead yet. After Simon does what he says and absorbs it then he dies.

when the hell did he get taller than him

I HATE DA WRITING!

Cool. It does nothing to dispute the feats.
Are you the same retard who kept shitting himself over multiversal planets last thread? As for your retardation, I don't care. Row row, fight da powa.

plastic surgery

character development

I mean Kyle DID lose to what was essentially a shitter version of the multiversal labyrinth and Simon should technically be capable of it so...

Multiversal planets

DC does this too btw

This you?

Thankfully STTGL is beyond dimensions and time just like the tree in the GoW cookbook so the only thing that might stop him here is if Kyle can conjure a monitor-sphere level bear.

Athena vs M. Bison
who wins?

Kyle getting ML'd would be the most anticlimactic ending albeit somewhat funny in that way

You're better off asking for Soul Manipulation/Resistance since drills are used as a metaphor for souls

No, I was at the gym while that guy did his thing. You're doing the equivalent of flailing angrily because Gurren Lagann did shit that put a wrench in the DB, ain't that childish? But that's your own limitation.

oh yeah Lantern rings can absorb souls

this would be hilarious but since he broke out of the sourcewall they're just going to lamely have kyle bust out of it

Which Lantern Core would fit Morrigan Aensland the most?

Remember last thread when a Simonfag had a meltdown over someone saying he got a translation wrong?

I mean if DCAU Lex couldn't bust out of it then that's pretty impressive

To be fair, Kyle actually managed to self-actualize within Volthoom's multiversal labyrinth and was able to realize what was going on.

The difference is that Simon broke out of the multiversal labyrinth because he did not want to live in a fantasy dreamworld while unimaginable cosmic horrors got to reign free over eternity.

Kyle wanted to dive right back into some ideal reality where his old girlfriend died and would have just let Volthoom taken over the universe, all because of his guilt.

Oh and btw Volthoom oneshot and drained him right after this kek. And this was before Volthoom had gotten universal levels of power.

claim a translation is wrong

databook starts talking about multiverses with the labyrinth

conveniently ignore it because it'd upscale everything to multiversal levels either way you looked at it

claim everyone else is butthurt

kekky poopy

flailing angrily

Bitch please. You call that flailing or being angry?

If we're taking it seriously, so could Simon

it's not in a literal sense as far as I know. It's just simon being philosophical

well yeah of course lex luthor can't get out of it, he's a human lol

Would be kino if the analysis had them tie in every category sans Willpower as the deciding factor
Would also be kino if they had Kyle and Simon break reality so hard akin to GvS3 that they show alternate popular matchups of Gurren Lagann and Green Lanterns, and also events in their timeline

Oh and btw Volthoom oneshot and drained him right after this kek.

And called him a little bitch.

He did that by accident and solely because he was there in the first place. He explicitly couldn't get out of Multiversal Labyrinth lite after that. Also as shown even if he did figure out he was trapped (he most likely wouldn't since they were obvious about it here) he would completely give in to it.

Making up banal reasons to ignore the canon media of a combatant is the equivalent of being a seething bitch, yes. The Anti-Spiral put an oversized version of its homeplanet on the forehead of its multiversal mech. Get over it.

I dont see the whole multiversal variants thing working

gurren laggan doesnt have much to do with other lanterns / star sapphires or that many variants

nah he will, he's done it before.

I dunno man, this guy seems pretty butthurt himself. You gonna cry because I think the writing of the second half is shit? Okay then.

No I mean like alternate popular matchups they give to Gurren Lagann, like Getter Emperor or Demonbane or whatever, and the same for Green Lantern, like uhhh Nova

I'm gonna pretend these feats didn't happen because I am retard!

Cool, but they'll still use them to their full extent in the DB, including the novelization and the manga. Hell, maybe even the audio CD.

I imagine it'll be closer to Scoob vs Courage where the final clash destroys the multiverse they're fighting in and Wiz and Boomstick's screen before reforming everything

Holy shit you ARE crying kek. That's just sad.

Overall who do you think has the edge here

Nah justifiable crashout

no u!

Baby-tier. Come on now.

The battle between Indians and Filipinos...

in a edging competition? don't know

Simon has the narrative, better overall arguments, and much more hype backing him.
Kyle mostly has Swan and DC bias.

I want to say Simon wins, but Swan is a seething little faggot who also got BTFO over this match, so who knows

y-you

:^)

Remember when Kyle was getting BTFO so hard a few threads ago one of the Kylebros got so mad he began spamming nigger and gay porn of TTGL?

like Getter Emperor

As fun as it sounds on paper. Emperor is much too vague to really get into. It doesn't even have any real fight scenes and is more present as some eldritch mechanical horror and it never reached even close to the size of TTGL, let alone STTGL. It's about the size of SGGL if not a bit bigger approximately. I'd love Getter Robo to be in the show in some way though (I think Shin Getter is probably the best to cover).
Tragically the story of Getter Robo was suddenly cut short because of Ken Ishikawa's death in the middle of a cliffhanger chapter. It's never gone beyond it, not even in the anime adaptation of the Arc anime.

John is working on the episode and he destroyed Swan back then

I remember both sides got nigger and gay porn

Did that make them stop using all the feats?

John's just the storyboard guy, but Swan's writing the match.
I've no doubt both of them are influencing the research teams of both sides, but Swan holds a lot more sway with Ben and Chad for the final verdict.

Simon has more in his favor

People's champion as most want to see DC take an L to not marvel

Better arguments and can exploit Kyle's weaknesses

Doing more research just makes Kyle look more vulnerable and the arguments stronger, even screwing over Life Equation wank

Infinite power pool vs finite dwindling power pool

Objectively superior willpower

Kyle's most reliant on flimsy cosmology wank and Swan but the guy who shut down Swan is also working on the ep so we'll have to wait and see

I dunno. Swan threw everything for Kyle including lies (that he was called out on) and it wasn't enough back then. That wasn't even considering Otoko at all either.

was the miscast a sweep or one of those 3-2 things?

It was tied and had to be decided by an audience vote Simon won.

Sweep. Ben and Chad went Simon. One was undecided. Both polls went Simon

Kyle is not Hal and we both know he wishes he was

Baiting ME out huh

Athena should win thru scaling in several games to multi solar system at mininum to universal all the way to low multi charscters.
Even if she loses in SNK Heroines, the defeated heroines are used to sustain and eventually merged Kukri's realm to the real world. Which contains a night sky within.

Mirror orochi creates an alternate universes in KOF Sky Stage, samsho vas several universal to low multi ststements, there is some relativistic, light speed and infinitenspeed feats from fighters in Athena's range.

She should easily beat the Country level (stronger than psycho limitless cammy) to small planet level (sf duel considered canon, slight wank from the meteor Hakan and Honda destroy) Bison.
SF really only reaches Light speed thru using the doubtfullt canon mighty final fight's statetement of haggar having a light speed move.

But of course, her losing is slightly more interesting corruptionwise.

Imagine if Simon just “time, huh”’d Kyle and drilled his ass at the beginning of the fight.

b-but Kyle can time travel too!

So can Ben, but that didn’t stop them from ignoring it in the animation.

You know, why doesn't Kyle just bring back his old fridge gf to life? Shouldn't the White Light be able to do that?

Only Ben 10K can time travel

Time manipulation was the first thing Alien X did in Ben 10. And Alien X can do everything anyway.

what is the fucking context behind the fridge gf thing

but the guy who shut down Swan is also working on the ep

So is Swan.
I think it's important to take into account the cast has the guys assigned roles to argue for a side even if they were to think otherwise. They have to at least keep it up to run for near an hour. If they just all agree who wins instantly it's not much of a debate is it?

Some baddie killed Kyle's GF and stuffed her in a fridge for him to find.

new thread

I thought one of them went for Kyle?

I remember when Swan argued for Spawn against Ghost Rider then argued for Venom against Spawn

Sam (it was Sam, not Chad) just said undecided/tie and neither would be able to kill each other

Who takes the win here? There can be only one.

Yes but Swan looked like he really believed Kyle would win. He looked pissed during the debate.

Reminder: 100% of Simonfags and Kylefags are annoying faggots and should hang themselves.

Third person just went "I go green" which was basically saying undecided since both are associated with shades of green

Rewinding time in a local area several minutes

Same as travel through the time stream

Sounds like making up powers

The entire second half of the series takes place 7 years later.

Doom Guy.

No anti Sonic feats

HedgehogBros... we won.

Watched the video.

Kyle wins

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The small rock only did damage because Hank was already damage by Bill who has the powers of every Marvel Superhero. The rock wouldn't have done anything to a healthy Hank.

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