Which is the better character?

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Before the flanderization and Harmon making him into a self-insert, Rick was always meant to be a whiny and hypocritical weirdo who was wrong as much as he was right.

Him saying there's no god also comes from the S2 premiere and he prays to god to find the collar and save Morty's life, only to go "haha fuck you god you're not real" when it works out for him.

You replied to the wrong person. Where's your god now?

Him saying there's no god also comes from the S2 premiere

No it doesn't. Literally the pilot episode. Summer goes "oh my god" and rick goes "there is no god summer, gotta rip that bandaid off right now". S2 is where he, summer and morty start splitting and it's where he actually prays to God to get the crystal to fix everything. When he does he goes "ahaha fuck you!".

Also, Rick is not meant to be a positive character. Much like House isn't meant to be a positive character. Or Dexter. Or loads of other smart characters.

Why ask the question when you have already created a preconceived notion of the answer? Perhaps the question isn't even a question, but a rhetorical statement!
When one mentions character, does that imply us as written beings in the great cosmic stageplay that is life, or the character of one identity? the integrity of their soul? If we are truly characters in the former sense, can we be a good character even if the character (in the latter sense) of our character is bad?
A troubling theatrical conundrum of the self indeed. Even with the fictional framework, Do we exist for the amusement of some unseen audience... or is our storybook and wiki-page our own to write? hmm

Fine, but that's literally your obvious bias driving your brain instead of your higher reasoning. Do you ever think with the front part of your brain or do you just live in the hind-part?

It's interesting how religious media is vibrant and hopeful while atheist media is shallow miserable nihilistic slop.

I always found the notion of "science worshippers" to be a silly thing religious people say about non-believers. I never met someone who worships science. Or even seen an example of it online. Like a real one. Not a straw man.

Anyways as far as characters go Rick is a much more interesting character. You can make quibbles about who is more morally correct. But the question was about who is the better character not person. Although I would say Xavier does do a lot of bad stuff and just doesn't seem to care. To me, he was always a nonsense-spewing machine. Do people actually find wisdom in his ramblings? Do people actually like him as a character and not as a nonsequitur machine?

I'm not even religious but a lot of irreligious creators seem to think things are just hopeless and pour that hopelessness into their works for some reason. It's really irritating considering that Nietzsche pretty thoroughly outlined how you can derive meaning from your own life and actions over 150 years ago but apparently none of these guys got the memo. LOTR is one of my favorite pieces of media and is a fundamentally Catholic work.

forgot the pilot example. but i never said rick was meant to be a positive character

never met someone who worships science. Or even seen an example of it online. Like a real one. Not a straw man.

It's not a literal worship of Science in the same way that people literally worship Christ. It's worship in the sense that if "science" says something is true no matter how extraordinary the claim or contradictory it is to their own beliefs they will then adopt that worldview. They believe outrageous things like science can tell them how to live a good life. They are materialistic because they are either unaware or refuse to accept the spiritual part of human existence. And utilitarian because they can't fathom any other moral systems because other moral systems depend on things that are not tangible. They refuse to admit that science is imperfect and that there are infinite amount of things the science can't explain.

The fact that you don't understand that this is what "science worshipers" is leads me to believe that you might be one of them.

Also what makes a character good to you? Is it realism? Because neither of these characters are realistic? Xavier makes more sense in the context of his world then Rick does. I'm not even saying Xavier is the better character. But what is your criteria for what makes a character better?

It's really irritating considering that Nietzsche pretty thoroughly outlined how you can derive meaning from your own life and actions over 150 years ago but apparently none of these guys got the memo

Nietzsche was also a miserable fuck

Left is for college age spazoids who cannot cope in society, and right are for college age burnouts with sense of humor.

by your logic Anon Babble is a different flavor of reddit
so I think you dont understand what words mean

When I think of "science worshippers", I usually think of people who are only interested in pop science. The kind of person that follows Neil DeGrasse Tyson on twitter, or has a childish understanding of the subject. At the end of the day, science is really just the formula. The kind of person that can't really differentiate between biology and chemistry.
Or they have a big bias against the religious, and can't fathom science and religion aren't mutually exclusive. Even though some of history's greatest scientists were Christian. Looking at you Newton and Punnett

Skimming through what you said and it sounds like to you a "science worshiper" is anyone who doesn't believe in god. It really just feels like an insult towards non-believers and not anything of substance. I am not against insults but to insult someone just for being an atheist is as shallow as calling someone a Christ Cuck.

As for what makes a good character there are many things that can make a good character. Rick is a good character because he represents a point of view that makes sense while being funny and interesting. (You don't have to agree with the character's point of view but it has to make sense. Like Oral from Moral Orel. You understand his point of view even if you are a nonbeliever. Or how you can understand Thanos even if you disagree with his morality)

Xavier to me is a bad character because his point of view and actions make no sense. He does bad stuff but for no real reason and most of what he says is just nonsense. I know a lot of people like him but for me a character has to make sense. Even if you disagree with them and they should have some kind of consistency.

Now to go even further deep into what I think makes a good character. I think a character has to be good at something. It doesn't have to be something amazing and he doesn't even have to be great at it. Just good. A good example is actually the characters of Rick and Morty. Rick is good at science and expressing his nihilistic worldview. Morty is a good person and good at expressing his more typical morality. He isn't the best but he is good at it.

Xavier, is a bad person who says a bunch of nonsense. He isn't really good at anything. I mean he might be charismatic. Maybe. But even that is off-putting.

Rick Sanchez.

"science worshiper" is anyone who doesn't believe in god

Generally speaking if you only believe in the material world and think that science is the only thing that can accurately describe it.

It really just feels like an insult towards non-believers and not anything of substance.

It is an insult but not because the phrase in itself is insulting but because the phrase describes a pitiful person.

Rick is a good character because he represents a point of view that makes sense while being funny and interesting.

Robot Chicken Xavier Rick and Xavier are both characters who constantly contradict themselves yet they both clearly represent a point of view. You can argue that Rick is more interesting than Xavier I would disagree. I would say that Xavier make some more sense Within the context of his show because of Rick and Morty loves to pretends to have character and plot development while Xavier is upfront about the fact that it has neither.

LOTR is one of my favorite pieces of media and is a fundamentally Catholic work.

BAHAHAHA you think a Christian could write that? LOTR is full of paganism and is a fundamentally anti-Christian work. conservatards cannot make art

This bait won't work on a site with as high an average age as Anon Babble, but i could see it getting mileage on tiktok

And Rick prays whenever he is about to die.

Xavier is the more humble character whose more self-aware

this xavier?
youtube.com/watch?v=J3ELEhpohtg

who set the house on fire

it was our son

i know it was arson, but who did it?

his meditation chant is him screaming mommy at the top of his lungs

mother was abusive as hell to him, is in complete denial over it

steals 7 babies, the mother looks about for her 7 lost babies, chides her for being a bad parent

in the meanwhile he's "raising" the stolen kids in a drain pipe

Right turned into reddit far quicker than Rick & Morty.

vocaroo.com/1h83tRdGIpno

original rick was like house

you take his name out of your fucking mouth.

Rick is a strange character because he was character assassinated in S3E1 (to thunderous applause) and then slowly recovered to a third thing recently. And no, his atheism is really not that prevalent it just informs his character (guy who wants things not to matter because getting attached to things hurts). Rick is only as interesting as the fact that he’s right and wrong at the same time.

So I was right. "Science Worshiper" is just a shallow insult for atheists. Just like how "Christ Cuck" is for Christians.

WHAT
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LIFE
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nihilism le bad

Life has no meaning, regardless of existence of god.
And atheists are not nihilists, they believe in official narrative.

"science worshippers" are people who treat official narrative like word of god.

if that's all you got out of that then yes

le atheist is le stupid, le fedora, le nihilist

Booo get new material

I thought less words is what made you a chad.

I think it's mostly a difference in perspectives.
People who don't believe in something need different outlets for their emotional hardship, and a lot of them do that by working through their issues using their work as a kind of therapy, like how just venting to someone about your bad day and knowing that they're listening can make the bad day a bit less bad. Sometimes when I feel like shit, I just write about a character who feels like shit for the same reason, and it really fucking helps.
People who do believe in something always have an ear listening, and are hopeful that a force greater than themselves can make it better. Their creations aren't a way to vent, and they aren't therapeutic, they're not using their work to work through something.

for SOME FUCKING REASON I'm like Rick. There's no god, we're all born to die, fuck off

Xavier was always actual high IQ humor,

For example, Xavier's mentor Chief Master Guru is an amalgamation making fun of new age spirituality. He has a red dot on his forehead and an om symbol on his tent symbolizing the Indian guru part but he wears an Indian(native american) headdress lives in an native american tent, and sends Xavier on vision quests. The lessons he teaches Xavier are usually just to get rid of him, torture him or molest him rather than teach him. making fun of the common movie trope of the master assigning weird and nonsensical tasks that somehow work out to teach the hero something.

Xavier, is just nonsense philiphical psychobabble

Notice how the Redditor cannot understand anything that isn't face value garbage, then insults philosophy while unable to type the word then, noticing that his statement may be challenged by someone, walks back on it by saying "I am not knocking it"

What he says is generally convoluted and badly thought out but it makes sense
For example, op's image. I have had many arguments with people who say they believe in God but have no idea of what "god" is. They believe in God but don't follow any religion, and can't really say what god is, maybe god is the universe maybe god is all matter maybe god is in our minds, maybe we are god. The general thing that people can agree on is that there are "forces higher than us".

Not when it’s just about the stupidest thing you could say.

Confirming once again that Anon Babble literally sides with the therapist but cognitive dissonance is so strong nobody will ever admit it.

Yeah I know you're already preparing a post that explains in detail how "actually the therapist was a shithead!".
And it will all be bullshit mental gymnastics.
She said what everyone on this board was already thinking.

But that’s the problem. The issue isn’t that she’s wrong, the issue is that she’s a lazy plot device for brainlets. Very weak way to explore a character.

You're mad at me for stating my opinion in a non-rude way. We agree that it is convoluted and badly thought out. But we disagree if it makes sense

I ship her with Rick, actually.

Kek

Here's a (you), you seem to be starving.

I don't like Rick but I also don't like fictional therapists having mind powers that can deduce a person's entire life story and personality just by listening to a few conversations or even just by looking at them.

Better for marketing? Left.

Show don't tell. That's why people didn't like the therapist.

The therapist was a shithead because takes all semblance of subtext and goes LOOK AT IT LOOK AT IT DID YOU NOTICE THIS YET!?
Yeah fucker I did stfu

Based it’s right there

Both are pompous and boring egomaniacs.

There already was a therapy episode and it was good because it incorporated the wacky sci-fi theme. It's good v bad writing.

The Christian god is an invention. If you believe in that god you're a subhuman. There's a god, just not what humans imagine. Believe in a god, just don't believe in Christcuckoldry.

t. Satan

If GOD was to call him a faggot than he was always designed to be one by GOD’s plan you butt ugly taint of a man.

This. Pissy shock statement vs longwinded navel gazing

How about you lick my ass you rudderless "deist"?

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