Do we know if the Netflix daredevil is fully canon or not?

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Do we know if the Netflix daredevil is fully canon or not?

I didn’t watch Hawkeye or Echo where Kingpin shows up, or She Hulk where Daredevil shows up. So I don’t know if they align well with the characters as established in the Netflix show

For example

friend who did watch Echo tells me that Kingpin killed her father then raised her as his own

Presumably this was at least 10-15 years ago he adopted her. The idea of Netflix kingpin having raised a child before the story started seems pretty laughable

Didn’t watch she hulk either, but I’m a little confused on timelines there

Apparently the original shoot/story for Daredevil Born Again was going to be that Matt was one of the people who vanished during the snap event. Thus daredevil was not around for five years, this is when Fisk gets out of prison and re-establishes his criminal empire with Vanessa

Also they were just going to have Foggy’s death be an off screen event referenced as having happened during those five years, same with Karen moving elsewhere. It was only in the reshoots they bothered bringing them back at all

I’m genuinely confused why Kingpin in the show currently doesn’t just tweet “Matt Murdock is Daredevil”

Matt has broken the truce between them by acting as daredevil again. The only leverage Matt had at the end of season 3 is apparently useless because Matt was fine letting Vanessa run a criminal empire and fine with kingpin returning for some reason. Ray Nadeem? Who?

DD and the rest of the Netflix shows were officially made canon to the MCU last year, during Born Again's creative overhaul. Yes, a lot of details and characterization end up suffering from it since BA was originally a soft reboot, and the final result is a stitch together of both versions.

In fairness, Kingpin knew for certain that Matt was Daredevil through most of season 3 but still didn’t reveal it to anyone else for some reason

He only bothered threatening to do this right at the end to try and bait him into killing him

I think Fisk sees it as a kind of “fair fight” when he doesn’t just use his trump card like that. He COULD just tell his vigilante task force that new info says Murdock is daredevil so go arrest him and shoot him if he attacks anyone

But clearly he won’t do this. He never told the FBI in season 3 directly that he was daredevil either, just implied he had a double life and the lies about him actually helping Fisks criminals endeavours

True. He didn’t even tell Vanessa IIRC

I struggle to see how the soft reboot 2as meant to work when it’s clear that Matt NOT being daredevil and being retired as a vigilante was always meant to be a big part of the story

Feels like that would need a big reason to happen, not just him retiring for the sake of it. So without the foggy thing it would seem bizarre he goes from casually being daredevil in their other shows. To being retired in this show

I’m just glad they brought back Bullseye. He feels like the only character in the original show who didn’t get to fulfil his potential because of the cancellation

Looks like he’s gonna pull off his “spits tooth into guards eye” trick to escape prison. Hopefully he gets a real costume too

Hawkeye and Echo are referenced when Matt mention that Echo shot Fisk. Not sure about She-Hulk.

How did he get shot in the eye and his eyes are fine?

sssshhhhhhhhhh

The recovery was…. Intense

My head canon is Fisk just bought some super soldier serum because he literally got hit by a car and blown up in Hawkeye and was fine

he had some super tech eyepatch iirc it would convert maya's ASL and give fisk irl subtitles like as if it was stark tech.

Which will never bee seen again

Yes the Netflix Daredevil is canon there may be a rare instance where some specific thing isn't it but for overwhelming majority of the show is canon. She-hulk was mainly just a comedy thing, other than Matt got to meet bruce banner, the sokovia accords were revoked and the fact that his new suit maker is in LA. Other than that the events aren't relevant to born again.

I’m genuinely confused why Kingpin in the show currently doesn’t just tweet “Matt Murdock is Daredevil”

matt would get vanessa thrown in prison so fucking fast if that happened, and it would probably piss off frank to do something as well.

Apparently Foggy's death was still the reason, but it was off-camera and the actor wasn't even supposed to return; Karen was also not even referenced. The idea was "keep the broad strokes of the OG show and from there retcon whatever we want", barely acknowledging what came before until they realized that was a retarded desicion.

yea they didn't want to make the netflix stuff canon because by association that means defenders and all that other shit is canon too. But they didn't have a choice because the DD show was just that good to where people would have lost their minds if frank, bullseye and the rest of the supporting cast never showed up again.

they didn't want to make the netflix stuff canon because by association that means defenders and all that other shit is canon too

I don't blame them. If it wasn't for Daredevil, I'd want throw all that in the trash (where it belongs) too.

*want to
Just woke up

William = Maya's dad
uncle = When William was out on missions doing fisks dirty work, fisk would raise her. eventually he trained her to work for him, not knowing that he was the reason her dad died. Hence why she shot him in hawkeye show.

I wouldnt mind Jessica Jones staying but yea they can't really pick and choose, it's either all canon or none of it is. All you can really do now is hope the other characters get redemption

Jessica Jones is the one I want to erased the most. God, I hate that trash so much.

The producers have pretty much said they're not referencing anything from She-Hulk. So while it's not NOT canon, it's also not being addressed in the slightest.

They should just uncanon it and make a non awful She-Hulk series. This time without Rick and Morty retards and Z*b W*lls.

Doesn't really have any reason to be. It's not like a fisk vs DD story ends up with them going to LA. And she-hulk doesn't really have any reason to be in NYC until some avengers shit goes down

I will never understand people acting like Jessica Jones was anything but gutter trash, honestly.

Matt could mention he had sex with She-Hulk

Seems stupid because plenty of people only watched daredevil, didn’t watch the defenders. And still didn’t get confused by season 3 even though its entire beginning is heavily involved by the plot of the defenders.

If I recall Matt is in a collapsing building with a resurrected Elektra in the defenders.he stays with her, this is why his friends think he’s dead and why he’s so badly injured and upset, Elektra died again.

Yet people still grasped this without needing to watch it for the most part

It is bizarre though. If I recall they cast a different actress as Elektra for this tv show. But there’s no way she’s showing up now. So I guess she was going to be the new version of Elektra and they were going to retcon the Netflix version originally

to who? the only person he would tell is dead. everyone else knows he's with heather

matt would get vanessa thrown in prison so fucking fast if that happened, and it would probably piss off frank to do something as well.

How? She ran a criminal empire and Matt did nothing lol

If something needs to be retconned from Daredevil, it's everything about Elektra.
What a horribly awful character Netflix Elektra is. Feels like writing collapsed under its own weight trying to make her morally ambiguous and ended up with something completely awful.

Matt did nothing to vanessa because fisk and matt made a deal. Foggy being dead and karen not being in nyc makes that deal irrelevant now, but prior to that it was still in play.

Do we know if the Netflix daredevil is fully canon or not?

It is

I didn’t watch Hawkeye or Echo where Kingpin shows up, or She Hulk where Daredevil shows up. So I don’t know if they align well with the characters as established in the Netflix show

You'll be alright. As long as you've seen the Netflix Daredevil stuff.

No one really cares about Echo or She-Hulk, so I doubt they'll be referenced.

events from the echo show were referenced a couple times. one was a joke from matt and the other times were vanessa talking about fisks absence after getting shot and the mind control shit

Also I think the criminal dude who is being a cunt to Fisk is a mob character from the hawkeye show, or at least his gang is

iirc he is the head of the tracksuit mafia, he himself wasn't in hawkeye but his men were

Fisk already broke the deal and Matt did nothing. Why do you think he’s not in prison?

How did fisk break the deal? Matt's identity was never exposed and he wasn't responsible for the death of Foggy, and if he somehow was than it's not known yet so matt has no reason to assume it was him.

Fisk agreed to go back to prison and not start his activities again

Instead he clearly did return to being the kingpin

This would make some level of sense if they stuck with Matt being gone for five years but that hasn’t happened. He just accepted Fisk broke the deal for some reason and hasn’t gone after Vanessa even though she’s continuing to break the law

return to being the kingpin again

but matt doesn't know this is my point. Matt has no idea that adam is getting tortured in a cage. He has no idea Vanessa cheated on him. Matt at this moment hasn't questioned fisk being behind foggy's death. He has no reason to believe Fisk broke the deal. The only thing we know so far is that Fisk lied to the public about who stopped Muse.

What about explaining why he had the yellow suit from Luke Jacobson if he retired after Foggy died?

see

She-hulk cameo is before foggy died

Only watching to the end for this guy

I’m 99% sure all the BB report stuff with BB Ulrich was from reshoots just from the way it’s awkwardly edited in. You could cut her and her reports entirely and you wouldn’t miss anything storywise

I just know that being a Philfag is suffering.
In MCU the options are

he doesn't exist

he's a raceswapped zesty zoomer

And that's still better than what's done to him in the comics.