Why do old 90s cartoons look so much better than modern ones?

Reminds me of the guy who got denied a CN show because his art philosophy wasn't the same as the late 90s ones that started to become popular. Nepotism at its finest.

youtube.com/watch?v=EmaarGNTFTQ

I'm going to be blunt. The Cartoon Cartoons all looked like flat lazy cheap simple geometric trash.

Ambition; they knew very often these designs would be subject to poor animation but pushed through anyway. And it led to a lot of wonky stuff, but when it worked well it was really cool to watch.
The reason styles got so simple and boring is that animators prioritized frames per second over the designs actually looking cool.
Adventure Time had more "fluid" animation than most of these shows, but who fucking cares when the designs are so bland?

I mean you aren't wrong. But even today's flat, lazy cheap simple geometric trash looks worse than 90's flat lazy cheap simple geometric trash.

Lack of budget, talent and animators who do shitty redesigns on purpose out of spite

only 2 of those are are mid 90s on the right side and one of them was more late 90s than mid

the 80's mid 90s sections only has 2 that are 80s (or 3, don't know where the pumpkin guy is from)

Get the fuck out of here, famicom.

Skin white as snow in the original comics

Cartoon makes her skin a lot darker

This was a good change, she looks hotter with dark skin

airline for dogs

That doesn't seem like as strong a premise as he would like it to. I mean wings was an okay show but it was no Cheers and I don't see how making everyone a dog would improve the formula much.

I remember at one point of the other show creators complained that I had a bigger budget than they did because my cartoon came out better.

No I just animated mine.

Oh god, even wokeness in the 90s was better than what we have today.

The comic was black and white and even the color editions gave her a more outdoorsy complexion

people can't tan

stop being fucking retarded

He's from The Real Ghostbusters

They were a lot hornier as well if anything

I miss cartoons where people looked like people.

cel animation required people know how to draw. modern animation is digital tracers cut and pasting and using 3d models to do all the work. they never learned how to draw or any basic composition or even basic color theory. they are outsourced to the 3rd world slave labor sweat shops working for pennies. they care even less than normal and just get it done between street shitting. obviously, when you remove talent and drive from the equation, you end up with race to the bottom that is modern animation.

the wetback is now mass replying to his own posts trying to simulate the idea of other anons like usual

literal minded autist detected

If you want a reply so bad just ask nicely

wetback

What does dumping coomer screens have to do with being a Mexican illegal?

I find it weird that Anon Babble as a board probably has the highest amount of ultra-hyperspecific autists that fixate on the most random things for eternity, but there seems to be literally nobody that actually seems to know the process of stuff like how cel animators chose their color palettes, what paint brands they used, how they mixed colors together for shading tones, etc. despite the fact that by sheer statistics there should be at ONE autist that knows all about that sort of production stuff; it feels like the reason why animation gets worse and worse is because for some reason nobody actually keeps an account of how the actual process works, so it's just straight up becoming a lost art.

Retards will never learn anything technical because that requires real research. Instead what they do is hyper focus on something absolutely absurd that they can't process because for some reason the very notion of fiction breaks their mind.

Art techniques become lost to time if nobody practices them and if nobody passes down their knowledge. Makes sense.

Even some 80s low budget cartoons had better looking people than what we get now
the 80s He-Man and She-Ra might be low budget but they actually got humans to dress up in suits so they could rotoscope them and the characters look better than they do in Dyke-Ra and that Netflix He-Man show where he gets killed off twice

Faggot

Autists hyperfixate on details that support their narrative but have a poor understanding on the entire process

Not just a Anon Babble thing really, Anon Babble arguably as it worse.

I'd take 70s cartoons over the ones we have now. 80s cartoons blow modern cartoons out of the water, even the ones by Filmation.

Anon Babble probably straight up has the worst understanding of it's subject pipeline out of all the hobby boards, even a caveman tier board like Anon Babble generally understands how vidya is actually made on some level more than people here understand different elements of animation

When you go to Anon Babble you will find the autistics youre looking for only you will regret wanting to talk to such people because theyre the most vile and morally despicable bunch. Youre just looking in the wrong places, when you start learning that stuff you dont exclusively post on Anon Babble anymore

That explains pic related

I'm not really looking for hyper realism but so many cartoons just warp too hard into their bizarre stylization that doeesn't even feel like it knows what humans look like. I want more heroic exaggeration.

cartoons looking cartoony is le bad !!!

Johnny and Hadji are the same drawing with different details. They also look like they came out of a mid-90s "How to draw CARTOONS!!!!" book you might see at a children's book fair.

At least they're honest enough to say that they're ruinning old IPs on purpose with the CalArts style, made all the funnier when you realise that the character designers for the superhero/action Hanna-Barbera shows never went to CalArts

Alex Toth the artist who did designs for Hanna-Barbera's Space Ghost, Birdman, Galaxy Trio, Superfriends, Sealab 2020, The Herculoids and some Jonny Quest characters went to New York's High School of Art and Design so even if the Cartoons are low budget his art was nice to look at, unlike the so called Calarts style

What is Cadillacs and Dinosaurs?

Need to be one to know one

A comic/cartoon/video game from the early 90s

That’s just a bunch of bullshit

I don't see how the specific school Toth graduated from matters in this case. CalArts, previously Chouinard wouldn't have been teaching the so-called "CalArts style" back then either. It's such a vastly different era that it seems pointless to compare the alma maters of modern character designers with artists 75 years ago.

every time I look at that image I forget what it is you’re telling me I should be upset about

isn't there something related to Samurai Pizza Cats that's using animation cels recently? do they explain how the colors work?

New video game, which they're entirely cel animating.
youtube.com/watch?v=nwMOG-3RPHA

The nose

I was going to say they might look better in screenshots but the animation was stiff, but to be honest the animation now a days is equally stiff and now the characters look like stick figures.

noses can be nice, anime rots your brain

Maybe they drew the nose different in that shot and besides I don’t care about anime

There's looking cartoony with talent (I.e Disney shorts, Loony Toons) and then there's absolute garbage because your creative staff actually can't draw at all so they hide behind quirky styles. (I.e every fucking cartoon made in the past decade)

That’s not true

Modern cartoons are weirdly skittish about breasts compared to old one. Which is really strange because breasts are kind of the thing that symbolizes woman-hood. You kind of can't ignore them.

I can actually ignore breasts pretty well if skirts are short enough.

Stick a power drill up your ass, you disingenious fag.

y'know what i miss from 20th century animation?
Backlighting.
That shit is beautiful.

What a strange comment to get butt-devastated by. It was clearly a joke.

Still my favorite 90's action/horror cartoon show that was ever created.

Damn. That animation looks slick.

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It was probably the same fag, too. We have some real mentally ill autists on this board lately.

If old cartoons were remastered properly people would really understand the difference

Putting aside art style choices and even the tools involved, I feel like there's a real and perhaps more pressing issue when it comes to direction. And this really goes for anime too. Maybe more so. It feels like there's a lot of directors who either don't know how to frame shots or convey action. It's part choreography but also part mise en scene. A lot of new shows are all just very flatly shot and dull. And anime fight scenes have only gotten less and less coherent yet still get called SAKUGA.

We now have two generations of artists that grew up drawing ugly flat shit or anime trash. The well-made cartoons were made by people who learned to draw by observing real life and learning the basics. If you're lucky to even find a kid today who likes to draw, they just copy bad anime drawings.

That's true in which it's just sad of what we could've have.

Some of these old shows had really nice art direction.

the right is so bad. leaving action toons completely for off kilter comedy shit ruined cartoons for generations of boys and young men

Shut up faggot

It's only going to get worse with AI generated content now.

Nope

please stop shitting up the board, you worthless piece of trash

Fun Fact: The obscure Marvel UK comic did a sequel to this episode where Spike was found frozen in a block of ice and put on display at a carnival.

Cope and seethe faggot

thanks for your empty contrarianism. it's really driving up the board engagement and tickling the brain cells

There was a competition for kids atention and money, they need to be good to sell toys and shit.

Now is slop that no one wanted, and infinit seasons if you are fucking a producer.

It was ok to encourage boys to be hetro.

I’m not the contrarian in here

I see you met AdventureTranny, he's our resident retard. Just tell him his faggy cartoons suck and he'll go away.

Oh yeah, there was a comic based after the cartoon series and the toy series. Shame tho it was short lived cuz I would love to see them make more of it.

You are faggy

What are his faggy cartoons?

The one you like

Pick one. He likes them all. As long as they're faggy and bad.

Seethe faggot

Everything today is made more cheaply and more shoddily compared to back then. It's not just cartoons.

/thread

THIS
Just having cartoon characters who look and act like grownups would go a long way.

But then Anon Babble will seethe because it’s le boring

Or just having characters that are adults. The nothing that kids want to watch kid characters was debunked the day Superman was invented.

Anon wasn't complaining tho, he literally said she looks hotter with darker skin

It compliments that red and white color combo.

I really hate that art style
Based Thundarr poster

How many times a day do you think Thundarr slaps that ass?

What about Chowder?

They put some Ren & Stimpy levels of detail into drawing that ass.

It'd a moot point because the tools and materials to produce it just aren't made or maintained anymore.

Fuck yeah
Often

Thundarr doesn't seem like the type to ask permission, either. He'd just go for it. Even if he didn't enjoy it, he'd just do it to assert his place.

Why do old 90s cartoons look so much better than modern ones?

the 90s was the last decade where Japanese animation studios did the gruntwork for western studios, in the 2000s that changed and they focused more on domestic anime

effort, a healthy industry, and also while people don't want to hear this, the 80s handed down shit like model sheets and techniques like building collections of stills and stock poses over a show's run that they could reuse to save on time for a kind of weekly assembly line if needed.

Also the mindset was better, compare commentaries about The Transformers VS Steven Universe discussing their production, since that's an example I see a lot. The former is all about how the show isn't about or for them, it's a job, and thus all their creativity is focused on making it come alive as a product they can be proud of to make their own kids or whatever happy when they come home to them watching it, while the latter is always the creators talking about making the show for themselves and to get sucked off-er to see the 2 dozen adult manchild fans they interact with regularly in their algorithm and blocklist curated twitter circles praise them and to work through their own traumas.

The post modernist idea that art is subjective and its only reason to exist is for the artist to express themselves is inherently destructive and degenerate. There's room for and should be personal expression works where the only standard set is your own satisfaction, but the root cause of art has always been to serve some objective goal or purpose as a foundation for all other forms to lean on and draw from. It's about giving something real to the world.In the case of animation, it's root relative artform is storytelling more than it is painting or visual art, where this is even more important because even a retarded infant can tell themselves a story where they win everything and feel good about it, but it takes real talent and effort to tell a story that communicates your intent to other people and makes them feel and know what you want them to. Somehow, the line animators, VAs, and writers on old toy commercials understood that better than the auteur wannabes who came after.

Did 90's cartoons have bigger budgets?
Kids used to watch TV so paying for 30 minutes commercials wasn't the worst idea. Now kids don't watch TV so... yea

That and like briefly mentions, entire skillsets and techniques and basic fucking methodologies that used to be universal ceased to exist at somepoint. The institutional knowledge just doesn't fucking exist anymore outside of the minds of old men who are either retired or can't get frequent work to pass them down with even schools like calarts so badly fucking corroded by, as far as my limited ability can tell, modern politics or something in the last decade and a half that they don't even have potential teachers for some very basic shit anymore.

Almost everyone is self taught to various degrees. I remember hearing through the grapevine that a lot of indies like HH/HB and Glitch and so on have basically been reinventing the wheel for a lot of shit because the institutional knowledge again just doesn't fucking exist even for basic shit like storyboarding.

Goddamn. I don't know what cause the animation industry to be so fucked.
Arrogance from the younger animators? Slashed budgets meaning you couldn't hire talent, only interns? Cronyism meaning that knowledge stayed sequestered instead of being spread?

I have a personal hypothesis that both comics and animation benefited from an abundance of training in drafting techniques. Drafting was an important industrial skill for making technical documents, and when CAD programs took over a lot of training in technical drawing dried up because it was no longer a viable career.
I don't really have any hard evidence for this, but I can't help but think about it when reading the bio of old cartoonists like Carl Barks and reading they were originally trained as a draftsman, which was a concept I never heard of once when I was a kid.

I love focusing only the few good from every generation too.

Sure every rock is a gem because it was from then instead of now

Or perhaps as long as there a teen girl to fap to, the spice of life that is a boner can push any plot through.

They knew how to make a show back then.

Yeah it's very much drafting, a lot of art schools apparently don't really teach more than the most basic shit anymore, similarly with drawn from life or anatomical studies, at least as of like the early to mid-2010s, maybe they've pulled up since then.

Part of it is Cartoon Network's fault, some executive going into the 2010s super fucking hated action cartoons, which are traditionally the havens for a lot of those skill sets and the studios that made them served as kind of training camps for newer animators, and tried to gut them via shit like timeslot abuse and ratings manipulation. You see a massive fucking die off to focus on ren and stimpy wannabes and the early bauhaus boom shit start to occur around then for a reason. Nick meanwhile had like all of...like...5 or so story and action driven [or at least semi-driven] cartoons in its entire lifespan till that point I think? And Disney TVA was pretty much dead as well, so CN was the last major network bastion of that sort of thing alongside a few scraps on saturday morning blocs here and there. There simply wasn't anywhere else to find any work, let alone one that would require enough people to need fresh hires that you could afford to show the ropes. Not helped by unions for animators and VAs increasingly bloating budgets by parasitically attaching more and more mandatory contractors to things through the 2010s making it harder and harder for increasingly small amounts of work with tighter budgets to afford to go into and stay in production.

Contracts for shows also increasingly shifted from running contracts with seasonal bloc orders of 24+ episodes or syndication ready deployments of like, 50+ preordered, to adopting a relative of the french Cour system which has also absolutely wrecked fucking havoc on the Anime industry. It's fucked pacing to hell, put budgets and production plans on choke collars, etc, but it gives executives a lot of control on pulling the plug as desired.

Japanese animation.
Well. Some of them. They outsourced to better Japanese studios like TMS. Those studios became too expensive and too wrapped up in domestic Japanese productions.
Hell. Today we have reports that some animation outsourced to cheap studios in China actually then got outsoueced to North Korea.

That's not really new admittedly, the studio that makes that N.Korean propaganda cartoon with the hot fox woman american worked on The Lion King IIRC.

rewatching those episodes in the 2000s off Kazaa or Torents, I was surptised how good it looked.

Nice

It was also OK to encourage boys to be furries too, apparently.

I remember hearing through the grapevine that a lot of indies like HH/HB and Glitch and so on have basically been reinventing the wheel for a lot of shit because the institutional knowledge again just doesn't fucking exist even for basic shit like storyboarding.

If anyone can find a source for this I'd be super interested, cause it makes a lot of sense and I'd love to hear their process