Death Battle

This is probably happening next year

Sentry is only fighting another schizo like Gemini Saga or Superboy Prime
Or this guy for a rerun

Kyle won

Speaking of schizo battles, when is MK finally going to get his due?

oh no schizo will post and he will be mad about a fictional dinosaur

OH YES!
HE'S GONNA GO
3 - 0

........the cucked competition.

Infinite infinities

nuthin' personnel kiddos

Tetsuo

Hamtaro fodder

Behave yourselves, gentlemen... You're in the KING's sacred halls...

this is the scaling at which Kratos fought that bear btw

Has any DB resulted in this many threads this fast?

Wally vs Archie Sonic

I knew that Superman was a fraud, but not like this.

ENOUGH! Gurrensissies, it's time that you answer the real questions! Is Simon a Starfirefag or Ravenfag?

hmmmm

I'd prefer Sentry fight Saga

Zorak's the King of Anon Babble, not some basedjack personified.

starfirefag

This, we should stick to planet level jobbers and characters who can be cuckolded, or else there is no scope of discourse.

Saga's power is 1/3 of btw

Famicom…

Ok so if kyle can't beat simon who can?

Nia's dub VA is also the voice of cartoon Starfire and clearly based her performance on that, the answer is obvious.

Hal

not even max-wanked Archie

KEKAROO my HERO could NEVER.

Starfirefag, even outside of the same VA they're pretty similar. Innocent "alien" girl who loves all the little things in life.

Superboy prime

I've been waiting for a long time for a Moon Knight episode so hopefully if this ever happens they'll deliver well on it. Also want to see a Punisher episode happen soon. Maybe him vs Judge Dredd.

I wish Marvel and DC stopped showing up in fights for the rest of the shows history after this. Capping it off with Ghost Rider and Kyle both jobbing would be great. Wishful thinking on my part for the status quo to end.

Is the only pure anime fight.

Outperforms all the other Death Battles that released so far this year.

Is the best looking fight so far this year.

Anon Babble Kings, I kneel.

oh my god I hear it. that's such a cute detail
files.catbox.moe/bvqiw6.mp4

Could Kyle distract Simon by creating a construct of Starfire for him to goon over?

Post fights you'd want to see where there's no thematic connection between the two but they have similar stats.

That’s assuming Death Battle won’t need another Kickstarter to get proper funding for another season. Views so far have been

Bowser vs Eggman: 5.6 Million

Bardock vs Omni-Man: 2.9 Million

Shigaraki vs Mahito: 2.8 Million

Ghost Rider vs Spawn: 2.5 Million

Kratos vs Asura: 2.3 Million

Joker vs Giorno: 2 Million

Master Chief vs Doom Slayer: 1.9 Million

Among Us vs Fall Guys: 1.8 Million

For context, if a Death Battle episode cannot pull at least 2.5 million views within 2 months, then the episode was a flop. 2.5 mil is what Alex vs Cole and Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer capped off at, and those weren’t popular episodes.
It’s pretty clear their Kickstarter money is wearing thin, what with needing Gambling Website Sponsorships and all. If Death Battle wants to be sustainable, they need to be pulling in BowsEgg numbers consistently, not just once and a while.

to be fair that would work on most men

last name is Simon

Kyle is going to beat the shit out of Simon this Sunday because of this dude

For context, if a Death Battle episode cannot pull at least 2.5 million views within 2 months, then the episode was a flop

Is this based on anything or are you just assuming? I'm pretty sure the only time they've talked about how well an episode actually performed was that Megazord vs Voltron didn't do that good for how much of an expense it was.

Knew Autistic Us vs Fag Gays was a bad idea from the start.

drew donna, somebody he knows in real life, as a big titted big eyed anime girl

Kyle........

jesus christ

that Hal drawing is just fucking...

Othinus from A Certain Magical Index I believe

She is a Magic God in her verse.

she has passive probability manipulation and can manipulate mathmatics, laws, and physics on top a bunch of other shit.

Im not 100% confident though since this IS Simon. But she's busted.

Alright, kind of based.

are all the lanterns this deranged

That would work on most people in general, it is not something you expect to see.

NTA but I'm guessing it is based on beating the average views per episode.

This was literally the page before for reference (they weren't dating at the time), Kyle saw Donna off and then immediately drew her with her tits out.
readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-1990/Issue-59?id=4216#10

full page

It would have been a fine idea in about 2022 or 2023.

turns out the TTGL manga is much different from the movies or the animated series. Nia actually kicks the fucking shit out of Viral here. lol

It gets worse, immediately after this he falls asleep and his ring creates a construct of his fridged girlfriend based on his subconscious thoughts. What the fuck was Kyle on?

BRING ME ASH AND MARIO

Death Battle got about $750,000 in Kickstarter cash.
On average, YouTube pays between $0.003 and $0.005 per view (depends on the ads).
So 2.5 million views amounts to $4,500 - $7,500. And with the longer wait periods, that’s what they’re pulling MONTHLY.
For ONE guy, that’s like a lot, but this is supposed to sustain the salaries of 4 owners, the researchers, and the animators they hire. I BELIEVE they said the average budget for an episode was about $15,000, but I don’t know for sure.
Sponsors and affiliate links help make ends meet, but the numbers they’re pulling aren’t sustainable. They need CONSISTENT Bowser vs Eggman numbers to keep the Kickstarter Cash from drying up.
I don’t see another “help fund Death Battle” ebegging campaign doing anywhere near the numbers the first one did either.

Kyle's winning tho

this is a guy who's a 'skilled fighter' by the way lmao

Kyle bought really bad copium and that trip has affected him for years.

Well? Does DC have infinite dimensional cosmology?

They also get sponsor money if you recall.

BEWARE OF THE MUGANN

That anon mentioned sponsors

Setting aside the assumption about how much the sponsors pay, you're forgetting about the memberships. The tournament polls could only be voted on by people with memberships, and the highest vote count iirc was nearly 3000, which about lines up with the numbers of members in the official discord last I checked. The base membership tier is 4 dollars, so even assuming some variance they're probably getting close to 10000 per month just off memberships.

The manga is a mix between both the movies and the show with some extra scenes

And that's base Sonic btw.

VSBW

Sonic wank has gone too far.

Ah yes, I remember when my BJJ instructor taught me how to evade and outskill energy blasts

SEE? I PUSHED YOUR PRESSURE POINTS! I AM A GOOD MARTIAL ARTIST!

anything that is not Mathematical Universe Hypothesis cosmology is not infinitely dimensional.
Kino because it's an acronym for MUH cosmology.

Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Can I get a quick rundown?

youtube.com/watch?v=UacT9YbwCyg&t=1880s

Fair point, did not remember the membership. So adding the membership numbers to the projected views gives us around 14k to 17k a month, and whatever sponsorships they get.
So it seems they’re more sustainable than I though. And unfortunately it includes fags like Swank, Ultraguy and Speedy…

is DB taking from the manga as well? also turns out Gurren Lagann can fuse with MULTIPLE GUNMEN AT ONCE

Anyone that uses VSBW as a source deserves to be laughed at and all their opinions disregarded

also turns out Gurren Lagann can fuse with MULTIPLE GUNMEN AT ONCE

Was this not what they did in the movie?

Bring me Yami Yugi.

Didn't even bother reading

I didn't use it as a source. I asked if he was right about whatever it is he was saying whether DC has an infinite cosmology or not.

Well duh
Yes but this is Base Gurren Lagann

disregarding information just cause of the source without checking the info itself is something retards do.

On the topic, I don't know if you're the same anon who was posting about how the US trademark office listed DB's trademark as still being owned by RoosterTeeth, but I checked recently and it was updated to now say it's owned by the company Ben and Austin made, so they definitely fully own it now.

37 minute video

if you can't explain it succinctly then you don't know what it is

yeah but I thought he needed multiversal spiral power for that. but no simon can just do that with base GL.

Tick tock SCPfags, you're next

you dont have the attention span of a 30ish minute program?

sustainable

fully owned independantly

CHADth Battle? Will last until it dies a peaceful death as chosen by its original creators.

Imagine infinity to the power of infinity infinitely and it's impossible to eventually cardinally describe it with math in the way we're able to mathematically "capture" infinity.

Cantor's paradox, in set theory, arises from the idea that there is no largest set of all possible cardinalities (or infinite sizes). It stems from the concept that even an "infinite set" can have a larger "size" than another infinite set, leading to the conclusion that the collection of all possible infinite sizes is not only infinite but infinitely larger than any individual infinity it contains. This paradox highlights the limitations of intuitive notions of infinity within the framework of naïve set theory and demonstrates the need for a more rigorous axiomatic approach.

can you explain what it is or not?

Kyle gets dropped from being in space for few issues

Guy can be a comatose vegetable and his lass stil lremains loyal

Of all the settings and fanbases DC can DIAL, SCP most certainly deserves it the most.
When you get your entire setting banned from VSBW because you got caught deliberately sneaking whatever powerscale buzzwords we’re popular on VSBW into your entitiy articles to rig your setting into being top dog, you thoroughly deserve to watch your pet Cthulhu knockoff get humiliated by Matter Eater Lad

how am I supposed to imagine that? let alone apply it to a cosmology

Guy looks like he's in a perpetual state of "huh that's neat"

I actually do want Kyle to lose but want to see SCP-SHITix GAPED Poo to lose to Doomsday. Honestly seems very feasible too. SCP isn't nearly as autistic as it seems

Lurch vs Herman Munster.

You a... big Matter Eater Lad fan?

That’s like saying I need to read the written ramblings of a homeless schizo before ignoring it as the inane ramblings of a meth headed schizo.
VSBW is more brain rotted than Death Battle.

how am I supposed to imagine that

You're not.

apply it to a cosmology

Already done
space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html

Nah, gotta do the dad vs the dad

Doomsday creams standard 682 but no chance he beats composite 682

No. Just naming some random nobody-tier DC character.
Like Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Man.

Reminder Hal and Kamina both cucked Kyle and Simon

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

an infinite dimensional multiverse needs to consider every axiom of possibility, able to have different laws of physics and physical constants, and allow for all possibilities like for instance branching worlds from infinite choices and scenarios. Its like if a multiverse has infinite 3d universes instead of infinite dimensions in and throughout the infinite universes.

Why?

muh hard to kill

So's Doomsday.

muh adaptation

Doomsday literally has better rates and powers from adaptation.

muh 6820

Had control over a single universe.

muh pataphysics and metaphysics

DC has all of those in spades and unlike SHIT Cheese Pizza actually somewhat quantifies and measures it instead of trying to leave it up to a handful of autists across a variety of stories.

Honestly I could buy a tie or something, I just want SCP to lose to make the faggots, and they are bigger faggots than capeslop and shounenshit fags, mad. And Tooru also GAPES 096 too so that's fun.

So how is the Lantern mech going to work? Is it built like an actual mecha? Can it be hacked?

i'm not sure why this should be qualitatively bigger than any old "infinite multiverse"

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

It's just a big clump of lantern energy but shaped like a mech. You could maybe hack the ring, but Dr.Manhattan had difficulty getting his blue noggin around how it works, so that's gonna be pretty hard.

energy construct made of hard light. so hacked?....ehh maybe.

This unification is indeed very elegant and it has been constructed on powerful mathematical procedures. But there is a cost. The solutions of the string approach don’t quite work unless we allow for something wholly unfamiliar – extra spatial dimensions. Yes, String Theory requires our Universe to have 10 spatial dimensions which along with one dimension of time gives us 11-dimensional framework. Those dimensions are thought to be so compactly compressed that we have no opportunity to detect them experimentally. Nevertheless, their shapes determine the way strings can vibrate, thus leading to the particle properties we observe. This is a topic certainly requiring a separate article so I’ll write it in the future. In the case of Brane Multiverse we need to know what ‘branes’ refer to and how this concept has appeared in the String Theory.

It all has to do with the fact that there were 5 various types of the String Theory until in 1995 Edward Witten showed that they all can be conveyed into one another by shifting the value of what is known as the coupling constant. That was basically one of the most serious steps in the String Theory development and after Witten’s presentation this unified model was dubbed M-theory (there are several guesses to what the letter ‘M’ stands for: Mother-theory, Matrix-theory, Membrane-theory or even M as a reversed W for Witten). Initially strings had been supposed to be 1-dimensional objects, but after M-theory emerged that became pretty clear that the theory predicts the existence of objects with higher dimensionality. These objects were given the name branes with a corresponding coefficient showing the dimensionality of an object, for example 2-brane is referred to a 2-dimensional object whereas 3-brane is a 3-dimensional one.

societyofmodernastronomy.wordpress.com/2014/11/06/the-brane-multiverse/

This is what Gurren Lagann's cosmology is based on. What type multiverse is this?

Checked, and because an infinite multiverse caps out at Epsilon if you are using the classical definition.

Fight Sephiroth wins

Didn't Manhattan literally split the White Lantern ring casually without even being present?

The Bleedpace

The bleed is the fluid, the snowflake is the Wildstorm verse, and the fluid was originally created for the Wildstorm Verse.
Original Wildstorm Verse ≠ DC's Wildstorm universe.
The Snowflake is not within the DC Multiverse

The Bleed itself has no particular dimensionality

The Bleed itself has no particular dimensionality

But that was the deciding factor in Flash beating Sonic because the speed force was > the bleed.

Type 2.5 because actual string theory at 3 (many world theory) would be bigger than what they have but it's definitely not fucking 2.

what??? now you're just making stuff up! why is a level 3 multiverse better than a level 2 multiverse if there is nothing qualitatively new?

it sounds like a type 3

that's not true. our universe might have 11 or 3 dimensions but end results are the same. we are still here.
what matters are not the dimensions but how the energies can be expressed
everything must obey the laws of thermodynamics, including your stupid axiom of possibility.

OH NO!
HE'S NOT GONNA GO
3 - 0

interesting. now write that into a tiering system list in some wikia, just for the luls

Sonic at this points beats Flash given that battle happened BEFORE Frontiers and that gave Sonic a shitload of buffs.

Doomsday is still dependent on "something" to revive. 682 isn't.

*4 - 0
Superman already went 3 - 0.

It was based on Archie, not the game Sonic.

supes hugs sentry for an easy win

damn another stomp

Sonic DOES beat Goku.

Game Sonic is better than Archie at this point.

Who's the weakest character that could rape Superman?

That's not my point though, I'm saying Death Battle decided Flash won because of the speed force being higher than the bleed as far as dimensionality goes.

Superman? The Brainwashed Jobber in the Batman Series?

Soda popinski

Oh ok

New science just dropped

Although this idea of so-called branes (three-dimensional universes that are quite literally parallel to ours, a short distance away in another dimensions) is indeed taken seriously by the scientific community, I don't feel that it's quite fair to call them "parallel universes".

YEAHHHH! THAT MEANS.... SOMETHING!

Guess I posted in the wrong thread but the planck length context wasn't that hard to find if I Google'd.
They just do it to do it, not because it makes anything bigger (presumably it would make everything in the universe bigger.) They do it because an AI told them it would return them to the present from a future without any physical laws, for unexplained nonexistent reasons.

breh. The Bleed is just the Space between the DC's multiple worlds and the afterlife. It's not a big deal nor original. DC specifically has it filled with speed force stuff.
Marvel has it. Bleach has it.

Are these three-dimensional universes in the room with us right now?

ok, so a cosmology should go Physical Multiverse -> Possible World Theory (timelines but non-physical) -> Platonic Concepts (aka. Outerverse) -> Paraconsistent Theory (paradoxes can be contained within cosmology) -> Beyond Paraconsistent (aka. Omnivastance)

They were real in my mind......

Yeah makes sense, Gurren Lagann doesn't treat higher dimensional universe as parallel to the 3D universe

Platonic Concepts

why are you wanking this?
Aristotle fraudchecked that stupid shit more than 2000 years ago. I think He did it in the same book that He introduced the idea of essences (that for some reason is used to wank Divinity)

A magic user with magic on his level as he has no resistance to magic. a basic paralysis spell on a universal/multiversal power level or binding should keep him in place to be assaulted.

DC doesn't have pataphysics. SCP uses pataphysics because it is a joke.

many world theory

But they also have the infinite multiverses created from perception, each intelligent being able to perceive new possibilities creates a new universe. So it would be more like sub-multiverses within the multiverse

Omnivastance

Bounded by math, so sub-MUH

plato

Wrong

Otto was 100 percent right about it flopping like a dying fish.

Brane theory

Multiverse

gg no re

Get this pedo shit out of here.

I believe that is just an unanswered plot thing. Doubly because Kyle just randomly switches into White Lantern mode during Tharros and Varron's machinations on Oa.

Obelix

Hunter x Hunter finally gets on the show

Fed to A Certain Pedophilic Index

Not a good look.

Moving from the orrery to the bleed counts as moving 1 dimension. Moving from the bleed to the sphere of the gods counts as moving one more dimension

Do they think the map is a boardgame? I thought that was going to be the most retarded thing but then he went and asked an AI. VSBW continues to be the absolute nadir of battle boarding.

she has breasts and an adult physique you retard. no loli has curves like that on their legs and thighs.

Almost flat

Just as skinny as every other girl in toaru if not more than several others

Doesn't even have curves on her legs

Nice cope. Not fooling me though.

Right, but the argument was that Manhattan struggled to affect the ring in the first place when he fought Guy which is just kind of bullshit when talking about Kyle who had his far more advanced ring split because of Manhattan

That looks like a little girl to you?

For fun here's Arc-Gurren Lagann deflecting multiple blasts from Cathedral Lazengann, which is supposed to be roughly around the same level as Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann

truth nuke

They're c cups you are cracked if you think that's loli.

the cave strawman

classic, plato. stay stupid

Super Sonic 2 and Super Sonic Cyber are even less standard than Super Sonic, since Sonic expelled all that cyberspace energy at once to achieve Super Sonic Cyber.
Regardless, The End is characterized as world/civilization destroyer rather than anything that would elevate Super Sonic above the generous interpretations of the Time Eater let alone anything approaching Final Boss Solaris.

Not so fast, I think I like the way she looks....

does doomsday have a legitimate way of winning this or is this just a factual tie where no one wins because neither party can kill the other for good

She looks way too old for Hal.

Othinus would rape Parallax

She looks too old for your sexual fantasies.

Doomsday will eventually probably develop something that puts Buu down

Brane theory is considered a Level 2 multiverse theory. It suggests that our universe exists on a 3-dimensional membrane (brane) embedded in a higher-dimensional space, and other universes might exist on other branes within this higher dimension. It's distinct from Level 3, which involves the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every quantum event causes the universe to split into multiple branches.

This is the actual application of brane theory, different branching timelines? All one universe, with higher dimensionality.

What happens in TTGL is different, where they, "allegedly" just make up new perceived alternate universes. So they essentially shit out and INFINITE number of very simplistic, and non-complex universes inside a multiverse. When scaled, honestly the 10-11 or whatever the fuck multiverses probably come out to universe complexity scaling in traditional sci-fi, which still shit stomps DC.

How does the Hypercrisis affect DC scaling?

how long until that happens though

String theory > DC cosmology nonsense

MarioGODS won

Oh I more meant I don't think we ever found out for sure who split the ring. Unless I missed a panel.
The Omega Men run in DC YOU (where people pull the Inerton info from) also give Kyle a weakness of just getting his ring removed.

It read his memories and regarded all his previous foes as lesser than it, now that COULD be chalked up to smugness on its part but that doesnt really make sense given the narrative. If it had been able to regain its full strength Sonic even in his super form would be unable to do anything to it. The End we fight in game is a weakened version of it after being stuck in Cyberspace for thousands of years.

Who?

Actually I just remembered a DVD commentary that exists of the creators directly referencing the branes

もしかして 色 とか なんか やっ てる かも しれ ない です けど、 あの 多元 宇宙 の ブレーン みたい な の が ある じゃ ない です か。

I may have done something with the colours or something, but there are things like the branes of the multiverse.
youtube.com/watch?v=0wtGEct3E9E

posting literally who on shartcord

Don't care. Not recognized. Go away.

I may be working on colors or something, but there is something like a multiverse brane, isn't there?

It's not entirely clear who breaks the ring, but like, it's almost certainly Manhattan. Either him or Mr. Oz at least. I don't think they ever explained why but then again they've just kind of forgotten about Kyle for a decade now.

level 2

level 2

breh.
Do you all guys realize we can have a simple universe the size of your own home with enough energy to blow away these LEVELED verses?

a 3d sphere and a 4d sphere will hit the floor at the same time

So like with the White Lantern Ring, if that loses charge how easily could Kyle recharge in the midst of a fight with Simon? Is this a mild inconvenience tier thing or "dont let this happen at all or you're fucked" type scenario?

How is The End not stronger than Solaris and Time Eater? Solaris and Time Eater still get hurt by Super Sonic's attacks. The End can straight up just ignore Super Sonic's attacks, Sonic is basically a little yellow fly next to The End.

literally who

that's the creator of skibidi toilet sir
the KING of indie animation

Omnivastance subsumes omnipotence, you can do anything including breaking math itself.

It's weird because he's only ever shown recharging once on panel, and it was when he was flying towards the Source Wall.

In other stories where he gets drained like Omega Men or even the beginning of the Lights Out storyline or the end of the Godhead storyline he just kind of recovers later and nobody conveniently tries to kill him while he's conked out. It doesn't seem like he has a Lantern battery in a spatial rift like the regular Lanterns do but it's not confirmed either way.

Time Eater isn't particularly special among Super level foes. It lost to regular old Super Sonic along with his younger self in super form. It never had any kind of special invulnerability either. It's a jobber.

Doomsday can be put into stasis and Buu's absorption puts the absorbed into a state of suspended animation. At this point it comes down to interpretations, South Supreme Kai and Grand Supreme Kai both got permanently absorbed on an inseperable level.
GSK is able to invoke his own presence on a conscious level after the Galactic Patrol exposed Buu to some aroma and stuff, so hypothetically Doomsday could adapt that and have a mutal control of Buu's body.
Or if you take it another way, Doomsday reconstitutes himself after being fully absorbed and having adapted to Buu's absorption would be able to break free. At the same time, Buu would have still totally absorbed Doomsday, so Buu would have his own abilities on top of Doomsdays. This would effectively be a stalemate but Buu has an early versatility advantage. Eventually it is just Doomsday vs Doomsday but Buu.

Who wins?
in about a month, Rick's possibly getting DBD scaling.

Rick vs Joel

Kyle having to stop mid-fight to recharge the ring would be a very bad idea. I don't know if those charges are instant or take a minute to refuel, but we know damn well that Simon will take the chance to either destroy the charger, or strike Kyle himself

Its more just stupidly OP in terms of what it can do not in terms of what it can take in terms of damage.

Make a rock so big you can't pick it up

Pfffft that's easy, I'll just-

AIIIIIIE I'M USING MAAAAAAAAAAATH-ACK

doomsday vs buu fighting for eternity becomes the new running gag like segata vs chuck's constellation

Hmm okay, so now then how much charge would be depleted from having to take on a multiversal sized entity?

Asura, a character who constantly grows to the point his base form beat the strongest form of his final boss in base after it BTFO of his super form lost to LOREtos, a character with a static power level

It’s fucking insane how he was performing WORSE over the span of the fight instead of growing stronger. You could say Kratos was stronger and no matter if you thought he should’ve won, it should not have been possible for someone like Asura to fight worse as time passed. I can just tell they’ll do a repeat performance for Simon. They don’t give a shit about any exponential growth characters getting stronger.

what that means basically is you create something that you cant overcome but due to how your very existence is makes that no longer unachievable. Essentially one paradox undoes another.

Going off what they said in BvH, it takes about 10 seconds for a Lantern to recharge his ring.

My point is that a lot of confusion of dimensions/parallel universes/dimensionality are all derived from people believing branching timelines are "alternate universes" to the point people start spewing that shit interchangeably and I literally have no fucking idea what is going on.

A lot of string theory/brane theory/quantum shit are all ONE universe where the alt timelines exist in higher dimensionality INSIDE one universe.

An ALTERNATE universe to me is something that is completely divorced from the other universe and all it's timelines, perhaps with it's own equivalent of lesser dimensional complexity, and when paired together with a universe becomes a multiverse (a collection of one or more universes).

Xeelee sequence happens all in on universe, and people here seem to think that makes them fodder, but the dimensionality of that one, individual universe and the extent they can fuck with it essentially makes it so they can casually annihilate multiversal superclusters or w/e in other settings by their definitions.

this talk of the end reminds me of kirby lore with a super duper ancient civilization behind everything and the elder god stronger than everyone else whom they had to fight, except kirby does it way better lol

Kyle's never fought anything remotely close to such a thing, so we have no idea, but his ring as a GL gets drained by making a construct that can hold 200 planets, so...
The problem is that they're massive fucking retards. Kyle's ring isn't Hal's, very explicitly so. It works off it's own charge and isn't dependent on time.

Homelander is being downgraded to Large Building level, damn

spider-man could genuinely gape homelander

KEKAROO

Wait, what was he before?

from what I've gained, the bigger the bastard, the harder to handle. rings have been overwhelmed in the past, and Gurren Lagann's size and firepower will eventually be too much for Kyle. making constructs as big as fucking Galaxy Gurren Lagann would drain the ring to 30% in a matter of minutes

Multi-City Block

I feel like that just came from the one off line where someone said there's no weapon on Earth that could kill Homelander. Sounded like a lie then

It came from the same feat shown above, in the new calc they took a real frame before the explosion and took the whole tanker for surface area

base form sonic would make his ass grass

I dont know fuck about Kyle, so can he in his best form just go "ring is fully charged" after its been drained or make it infinite charge with his abilities?

This is also true, I am running off the statements from Ian Flynn (yes I recognize they are even more dubiously canon after SEGA put the kibosh on the Q&A) that Solaris is still the strongest threat Sonic and co have tangled with. Followed by The End.
But this puts us in a precarious situation because clearly the Time Eater is more impressive in scope than the version of The End that Sonic actually deals with.
I've personally taken the angle that Chaos Emeralds are more or less the kryptonite of entities like Solaris, the Time Eater, and The End.
For Solaris it is more because of the occultic depiction the Chaos Emeralds have in 06 (like being used for the sealing and transferal of spirits) and Mephiles scattering the emeralds after merging with Iblis. I actually think the final boss Solaris is the combination of two entities Eternal Flame Solaris and the entity in the Scepter of Darkness, but that's more headcanon.
Time Eater is fairly self explanatory. We see it hit the free floating Chaos Emerald in White Space, get repelled, and then it starts flailing all about before leaving.
The End is mostly just because the Chaos Emeralds power the different avenues of active containment.

A lot of string theory/brane theory/quantum shit are all ONE universe where the alt timelines exist in higher dimensionality INSIDE one universe.

Yeah that sounds like Gurren Lagann

Interviewer: "Ninja Batman" is a so-called "time thing" in which Batman is transported to the Warring States period. In Japanese anime, there's a restriction that if you change the past, the present will change, and I think people tend to be very cautious when it comes to time-altered anime. You don't worry about that kind of thing, and you go out on a limb.

Nakashima: That's because it's American comics. The world setting of the multiverse, or a universe full of universes, permeates the readership of American comics. And now, the time-modifying stuff is going to be the multiverse stuff, right? There's a whole universe of all kinds of possibilities, so no matter what you do, you're like, "Oh, that universe!" (laughs). The interpretation of the multiverse has advanced so rapidly in the last few decades that when we were children, it was only 4 dimensional, but now it is said to be 11 dimensional. Our job is to tell lies, so we take those theories and twist them into something interesting.

Interviewer: Come to think of it, in "Gurren Lagann", there was a story about "quantum cosmology that exists by being observed".

Nakashima: When I looked up cosmology at that time, I hadn't read it for a while, so I found that it was very advanced. I was given the theory that the universe can be confirmed only if it is observed, and I set up the idea that there is a universe that can be created if we recognize it."
mediag.bunka.go.jp/article/article-15013/

This proves it, no video games unless they're really iconic.

no lol

Good, this fight has potential.

For a current logical omnipotent tier-0 boundless, it's word salad and you don't do that.
If a paradox is created in a form or another, it reaches tier-minus-1 (Paraconsistency Theory). A paradox is reached but the fiction reasons it out in a way or another. In tier-minus-2, the Principle of Explosion happens and our mere minds cannot perceive or reason about the fiction anymore. It's simply too nonsense.

What would you all say is the best possible counter to cartoon bullshit aka toon force?

For context, if a Death Battle episode cannot pull at least 2.5 million views within 2 months, then the episode was a flop.

SKIBIDI TOILET gets those numbers in a DAY with a BOX of SCRAPS.

Kyle didnt even make the entire machine. He was filling in broken part of the machine and still taking forever to do it. Kyle can't make a construct large enough to fight GL. If he could it would take way to long to actually make. Kyle would then have to figure out how to fight Simon with the giant construct. He won't be able to actually see the fight and probably can't react as fast as Simon.

I meant in terms of impressiveness the Time Eater appears more threatening from what we see it do. The End just doesn't accomplish much in respect to its abilities and more just recognized as strong in how Super Sonic struggles with it.

You just wouldn't get it okay?!

Solo'ed by squids

Zorak.

Our job is to tell lies

Based.

Thoughts on this German researcher?
youtube.com/watch?v=zq2skvpqgNs

Americans (or those who follow their worldview) define loli as anyone under a dd cup or under 5'5".

I think that, it's actually really hard to explain to you exactly what MUH is:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_ontological_proof
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mathematical_paradoxes
medium.com/@stevepatterson/the-metaphysics-of-mathematics-26e98a863193

This is why I make fun of people bringing up "scientific accuracy"
I am just trying to get into the head of your fucking author.

Who wins this if its a baseball game? Bugs is playing defense and Pooh is offense.

Design a scenario where it would be funnier for the toon to lose. I have a pocket one for Goku vs Bugs.

Goku is going about his day farming

Bugs is in Goku's daikon field in a rabbit hole

"Now wait a second, these aren't carrots"

Bugs pokes his head up through the hole right as Goku's tractor runs over it with Goku asleep at the wheel

Bugs comes up more and more elaborate ways to try and get back at Goku

Eventually he just stomps up to Goku and picks a fight with him

Goku punches Bugs and it launches him all the way to the Moon with the Boss Rabbit gang and he accidentally gets touched and turned into a carrot

That's All Folks

oh thats great.

Yeah, fancalcs ought to be much weaker than authorial intent when it comes to describing events as they occur

Boring Force

Solos your verse

That's fine, I just think it's worth bringing up the theories that Gurren Lagann is based on, considering how explicit they are referencing them, even if it's not 1:1

Twink

that's a 8C on BVLLscaling

Lol imagine if Lois Lane married Peter Griffin? She'd be Lois Griffin.

He can pull the lantern out from a pocket dimension and recharge like what Hal did against Alien X.

Are there any arguments to suggest Simon CANT drain the lantern rings energy to get a win? Like Kyle is higher dimensional to such an extent Simon cant appropriately do such a thing or more willpower (relative to Simon) thus stopping it, or he wouldnt be able to drain as effectively as antagonist in DC itself as they are more capable at it then he is shown?

Basically is Simon on par with people that have fucked over Kyle in DC continuity?

The lone mantis of the apocalypse. Bow before my visage and tremble in fear.

Yes

Not 12.5D

name is Anus

He gets raped by both Simon and Kyle.

Yes. Trying to compare cosmology/dimensional wank is a retarded practice in itself since different settings can entirely different rules. Like the super spiral universe itself is on par with DC's sphere of the gods in terms of what it does.

Anyway it isn't complicated. Kyle uses energy from a tool and gets repeatedly btfo by energy siphon even at his best from the notable to literal whos. Simon has energy siphon and not only does that but hops to whatever level his opposition is.

...'s laundry

Most of the characters who have drained the ring largely scale just to Kyle, but there's evidence that people much weaker than Kyle can drain him.
The blue ork guy you've seen who drains Kyle for instance has his attack blocked by Carol Ferris who's way weaker than Kyle in this run, and Kyle states he could've beaten the ork guy, it just would've taken time

Can Kyle affect this?

Among on this thread repeatedly gas up how "busted" TTGL's cosmology is for the past several threads. Why can't Kyle do exactly what Simon can supposedly do and just absorb his attacks?

because he isn't capable of doing so. He can siphon some emotions for a boost but those are limited to just the seven emotions and that doesn't recharge his reserves. In that scenario its just a tug of war with Simon taking a lot more than Kyle can in an ever escalating power clash only his battery is never getting recharged while Simon's keeps going up. Eventually Kyle's ring is going to give out for one reason or another and when that happens he just dies because he is completely reliant on it.

This is true, even without a human mind, because mathematics is an extension of logic. >In a mindless universe, you wouldn’t ever see “2 + 2 = 4” written down anywhere. But that formula points to a logical truth that exists without being symbolically represented.

Precisely. "2" is in the tier of metaphysical concepts (or substances, whatever). But it's subsumed by logic and logical propositions; "2+2=4".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition
This leaves us with logic, logic that deals with branching time, logic that deals with inconsistency with the last category being logic that doesn't, aka nonsense.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraconsistent_logic

Now THIS is statementfagging

can he really

This is then encompassed by the Tractatus; a cosmology being "all that is the case".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractatus_Logico-Philosophicus

>youtu.be/wGc0jClpTPQ?si=6f-qk5fN9MIFcp2Q&t=1m44s

*Annihilates Homelander*

The power to be outside of Power System and beyond Omnipotence as well. .

How the hell is this not suggsverse beyond omnipotence nonsense?

powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Helper0605/Omnivastance

youtube.com/watch?v=tvhFN5YSAZQ
yokobros...

Sounds like he knows his stuff and respects both sides. Glad to see an outsider opinion that doesn't just go "kyle has LE = win" and argues about Spiral Power being a counter to it.

That's just Kratos in base form.

If something is beyond omnipotence then the 'omnipotence' they surpassed isn't actually omnipotent

is this the pataphysics ZanziKINO I've heard about?

You know DB isn't gonna showcase that, right?

Were they all pedophiles? Yoko was clearly hotter.

A finite multiverse btw

Nia had max cute and charm.

Too bad for him. I've got Super Omnivastance. It's like Omnivastance but better in every way!

parallel universe

AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE

I still don't understand how Kyle draining Simon would make a difference. In the Galactic Spiral Abyss their Spiral Power was already being converted in mass, effectively draining them. Simon's solution was to just produce more Spiral Power than they can convert but it wasn't successful because the Anti-Spiral fleet followed them to the Abyss and was trying to keep them there. If Kyle were desperately trying to energy drain Simon, Simon would just power up further and faster than what he could drain and go for the kill.

Solos your verse

none of this shit is something that the classical omnipotent god can't do.

reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1c5zcqq/debunking_6d_dc_cosmology/
Go on. Debunk this at your own peril.

but it wasn't successful

BVLL theory, every time a main character gets cucked a new timeline emerges (there's 196,833 timelines)

The snowflake exists only in the Wildstorm portion of the multiverse. A construct with that many dimensions can exist in the Bleed because the Bleed is beyond all dimensions.

Whatever the current writer wants that the editorial is fine with.

so if TTGL cosmology works on string theory, what does DC's cosmology work on

It's time to admit suggsverse is actually the strongest verse in fiction

there's an entire very major story in DC that basically took over every book for 2 fucking years that states repeatedly over and over that there are 6 dimensions and the 6th dimension is the absolute peak of the multiverse

there, done

Suggsverse

Kratos victims.

It's time to admit GoWverse is actually the strongest verse in outer-fiction

Wait what if Simon manipulated the probability of Kyle warping reality with Life Equation?

wait can he do that

true

TTGL speed explanation

"There's not much of that. So if you try to go from the bottom to the top, it's really difficult. It's really difficult. You can't go at all. They say it's moving at 2 kilometers per hour. That must be pretty big. That's the speed of light. So it's moving. It would take 100,000 years at the speed of light, so it's 1 in 100,000. Isn't it a super slow punch? Well, that's because the universe where the punch is being thrown and the universe in between are connected for an instant. That's why it looks like it's running at a high speed even though it's not the speed of light. It's the same principle as anime. 24 universes are selected per minute. In one second? That's not necessary. That's the explanation. That's it. Is that so? It'll be fine. Well, with this, they will finally be able to fight at the same size."

youtube.com/watch?v=RkQjyqMKLD0

Technically he could

youtube.com/watch?v=dG2AvFuho_A&t=625s

This would be like them giving Ash toon force because of the gag manga. I'm doubting they will use stuff commissioned by 4kids. Yugi probably doesnt even need it to win.

FNAF World

not even a physical universe as it only exists to help the crying child from the main FNAF games

Oh nonononononononnoo....

19 ACKTUALLY.

I'm getting the feeling Swank is going to have Kyle stat stomp because it feels like he's layering arguments for Kyle being more powerful. The 12 and a third universe statement wouldn't have been highlighted so much if it wasn't going to be important. He's probably going to ague that a lowball DC universe is bigger than TTGL and then start stacking higher and higher dimension calcs as a debate tactic. If the TTGL defenders knock down one, he has more to bring up all the way down to 12 and a third, which beats the biggest dimension named in TTGL.

Bears scale above Kratos after all

this too. Atem can command the god cards as a spirit

S4 was not commissioned by 4kids
only PoL and Capsule Monsters

explain

He did the same shit in the dbcast. Didn't really matter.

10:25*

holy fucking shit that sounds OP

Fuzbertbear's legs can tank 1/3rd of bog base Goku's punches

I'm sure the top half would be surpised it it wasn't vaporized.

DC works on transcendental layers or hierarchy
Bleed (infinite dimensional space)
Speed Force (outerversal)
God Sphere (multiple layers into outer)
Monitor Sphere (high outerversal)
Deep Change (boundless)
Source Wall (further into boundless)
Overvoid (even further into boundless)

S4 is fine. I just meant the stuff comssioned by 4kids is probably not going to make it into the fight. Kinda funny 4kids dubbed both these shows.

No longer canon or is the main story after Update 2

The thing is that TTGL does have Otoko with it's 20D infinity big monster. It's more awkward to bring it up than the 12.3D big bang, but still official material that they should be using.
If Simon wins I imagine how they'll frame it is that he gets 11D in the analysis, and then they do the "you'd THINK Kyle would take power...I mean, a 12.3D Big Bang? HOW could Simon top THAT?" but then again this is a seething Swan with personal interest in seeing Simon lose so who knows.

On the other hand, the 11D and 12.3D thing happen before Kyle and Simon's major upgrades (GL -> WL and TTGL -> STTGL respectively), of which Simon's upgrade was comparatively quantitatively a lot bigger (the size of TTGL vs. the inertron feat), but who knows.

outerversal

Doesn't mean anything in physics or philosophy, quote me a Plato or some physicist talking about Outerversal layers

boundless

further into boundless

even further into boundless

This all means the same shit

Plato said Kratos is beyond boundless

Could the GL Corps WL Corps take on Anti Spiral?

Hermetic occultism mostly. Unless Snyder is writing then it works on retarded.

If Otoko gets thrown in they can also just say how Garlock basically busted out of his manga which in DC terms would be like busting through the source. Dimensional wank in general also gets dicey given how often DC's fluctuates (even to 6D which is the actual standard) and all that shit. Though really I think its just going to boil down to "lol energy siphon" and the rings hard limits.

power wise probably but the multiversal labyrinth would stop them dead in their tracks.

quote me a Plato or some physicist talking about Outerversal layers

Argument from ignorance

>boundless

>further into boundless

>even further into boundless

This all means the same shit

Nope, boundless just means transcendence of the outerversal tier's logic
There's no cap to it so a character or verse can be layers into boundless

Then what if the point on boundless, if...Well...It is just outerversal but higher, in every single tier there is a point, that point has a begining and an end, as you get higher into metahpysical slop those points become less about power, and more about trascendence.

Simonfag now clinging on to some Greek philosopher

It's over.

The point of boundless is basically powerscalers going "fuck it we can't define this character/verse since it surpasses the logic we use for outerversal"

If Kyle wins I'm going to cut my dick off.

the only thing that's no longer canon in FNAF is something in 4

As opposed to kylejeets clinging onto powerscalers with no education in any of the fields they're talking about?

If Kyle wins I'll sew it back on you

Wholesome but disturbing.

I am a BOUNDLESS KEK that can prep INFINITE BVLLS at the same time...

outerversal tier's logic

define that

Prince Vegetasson of planet Vegeta!

Kyle is going to recharge his ring inside Nia.

Simon...
Goku...
Kyle...
Asura...

KRATOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any character/verse that is above spatial dimensions as a concept
Platonic ideas are considered outerversal because they emanate downstream to every reality via reflection principle

boundless

further into boundless

even further into boundless

You might as well just say

Boundless

Boundless+

Boundless++

and so on

Because that's what it sounds like

"I'VE GOT THE BEST WIFE IN THE UNIVERSE" SWING!

Imagine Kyle puts Simon into the Source Wall and then we just hear "whiiiiirrrrrr!" as he breaks out? with Kyle going "Impossible!" and then the final clash happens.

why would she vore him

it helps sustain her existence after the Anti Spiral died.

What fucking education do you need to talk about how strong a fictional character is? Do you genuinely think this is a field of study?
Simonfags...

best wife in the universes

loves and woships kamina-aniki more than her 'husband' (cucky simon)

Kylebros... This is our opponent?

Raj is back

KEKAROOO!!!

oh come on it's only 3 til 10. is it morning in India

People generally need to know the basics of what they're talking about when they're using maths and science to justify their explanation, yes. Otherwise you end up with braindead DC writers not knowing logarithmic scales are.

I am a BOUNDLESS BVLL that can satisfy INFINITE hotwives at the same time...

Kyle...

This just reminds me that powerscalers sucked the fun out of "who would win in a fight".

Mega Man X is stronger than Goku now

KINGTOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING ME GOKU!!!

how

This is the only thing I could find relating to Platonic concepts being Outerversal. Is anyone well versed in philosophy enough to confirm this?

In the Nine Realms, tales of Kratos's rage, strength, and god-slaying exploits echoed like thunder across mountains. But one story—one very hush-hush tale—was buried deep beneath the roots of Yggdrasil, never to be spoken… until now.

It began on an unusually calm morning in Midgard.

Kratos, ever stoic, stood before his mirror, flexing. “Boy,” he grunted, “bring me my protein shake.”

Atreus, now a teenager with an attitude, rolled his eyes. “It’s just powder and water, Dad. You’re not gonna lose your gains if you miss one day.”

Kratos narrowed his eyes. “Even gods must respect the macros.”

But as he downed the shake, something felt… off. The flavor? Sour. The texture? Cursed. Before Kratos could hurl his Leviathan Axe in protest, a strange feeling washed over him. His muscles deflated. His voice cracked. His beard—patchy.

“I… feel… weak,” he muttered, collapsing onto the floor.

Freya rushed in moments later. “That wasn’t protein, you idiot. That was Baldur’s experimental elixir—he was trying to invent magical oat milk.”

The once-mighty God of War now struggled to lift a wooden spoon. The realms took notice. Thor laughed so hard he dropped Mjölnir on his own toe. Odin wrote a burn poem.

To regain his strength, Kratos had to undergo a series of humiliating trials:

He was bench-pressed by a squirrel.

He lost an arm-wrestling contest to Brok, who only used two fingers.

Atreus grounded him for being "too emotionally unstable."

Eventually, Kratos fought his way back—not with strength, but with humility. He learned cardio. He ate kale. He journaled.

When he finally defeated the curse (and Baldur's weird oat milk magic), he emerged stronger—not just in body, but in character.

And he never skipped leg day again.

X dive

KratosGODs... Is this really true?

Plato never once says platonic forms can destroy multiverses
You don't even need to be an expert to know this

elaborate

Whatever happened to that one guy who said he’d castrate himself if DB even made 10K or whatever?

Kratos's power is unfathomably beyond human comprehension.

What would have happened if Asura had just beaten Kratos who was properly scaled to be building level?

Kratos's power is unfathomably beyond below bear comprehension.

all that just for zero to still lose to shadow

Gacha shit, nuf said.

Buildings in GOW are infinite macrocosms

CANON

CANOOOOOOOOON!
Fanon...

Is Xeelee worth getting into?

GOD, I FUCKING LOVE BEARS!
I LOVE THEIR EYES!
I LOVE THEIR EARS!
I LOVE THEIR NOSE!
I LOVE THEIR FUR!
I LOVE THEIR TEETH!
I LOVE THEIR TONGUE!
I LOVE THEIR CLAWS!
I LOVE THEIR TAILS!
I LOVE THEIR SMELL!
I LOVE THEIR ROARS!
I LOVE THEIR BACULUM!
I NEED ONE TO TEAR ME TO SHREDS AFTER MOLESTING ME!

realm of forms

Inside MUH cosmology btw

I think Simon's got this

>Master Chief vs Doom Slayer: 1.9 Million

What a flop.

Boundless+++++

MUH cosmology btw

If you think capeslop and shounenshit is bad, never touch scifi. It legitimately is just authors wanking about hard science with awful characters and dialogue
The 'multiversal' shit is also just in like one short story if that's all you're there for

It's full of misery porn

Sci Fi characters always such, sci-fi kinda works like Lovecraft, it's about setting, scale, science, philosophy, at the end of the day it's just making you go "HOLY FUAAAAAARK" and characters and plotlines come second.
This and I love Sci-fi

That one sucks

Captain Atom is the true match for Sentry

Matter manipulators

Known for having brief stints as the main event villain (Zero Hour/Armageddon and Siege/Dark Avengers)

Always fucking dying

Jobs to some hack writer’s newly introduced OC because they want to show how uber cool and powerful they are

Whats the best chance Kyle has to beating Simon? Life Equation or just bigger cosmology?

People who complain about dimensional scaling would cry reading an average sci-fi book

cosmology but probably means jack shit due to the energy siphon argument in simon's favor

post matchups that are thematic but are also IMMENSE stomps
for example

battle beast vs nosferatu zodd

syndrome vs reverse flash

I mean, definite wishful thinking, since we still have Godzilla vs. Hulk that was announced. I don't think that Hulk is going to win there, just because while everything is in Hulk's favor, Godzilla just doesn't lose fights.

Isn't it unironically swank? The preview Gave Kyle INFINITE strength because he lifted up the spectre and something about the speed force. But I think it's going to be the sourcewall

Either but both also have their faults. Cosmology due to Simon evolving/siphon and Life Equation for the fact that Kyle can't actually control it for jack shit and Simon could hypothetically no sell, manipulate, or adapt to it too even in its mastered interpretation.

Overall though I think energy siphon is what's going to fuck him. Simon doesn't really have any weaknesses to exploit while Kyle has a massive one with inherent limits attached that can result in his god mode being shut off.

Writer favoritism

Kratos solos composite scifi btw

Swank isn't going to save Kyle from getting Doctor Doomed

Kyle will beat cucky simon without Life Equation by stealing Yoko and Nia like Kamina before him!!!

Death Battle's logic for Kratos draining Asura was that Asura is less powerful than gods that Kratos has defeated
If Kyle is scaled above the Anti-Spiral, wouldn't that be wraps for the energy drain wincon?

Yamcha Vs Kittan, thoughts on this fight?

fuck wrong image moderator please delete this

Swank says Kyle does energy drain better.

DCHAD BTW! I LOVE CAPEGOLD!!!!!!

HOW IS HE GOING ABSORB ALL OF SIMON'S INFINITE
LET ME REPEAT
I N F I N I T E
SPIRAL POWER

Kylejeet...

If Kyle is scaled above the Anti-Spiral, wouldn't that be wraps for the energy drain wincon?

That's the issue, how would you determine that?

12.3D Big Bang and the Anti-Spiral is 11D

Nowhere does it say that the Anti-Spiral caps at 11D and before some disingenuous faggot posts picrel, all it says is that they chose to hide in betweens those membranes specifically, that's it

Anyone can write a story having a character doing anything. I could make a story where a fetus beats the shit out of Superman.

Not really especially given all the times his energy has been siphoned by nobodies.

My glorious PLANET BUSTING Queen

By the end of his game, not only does this kid Rex beat Goku but is on par with Simon and Kyle in terms of absolute broken bullshit.

When Xenoblade death battle ?

Reminder this shitty hotdog would be 1A if he had more durability and stopping power.

I personally can’t fathom either losing to Simon. The problem here is that Death Battle has made it very clear that there’s no cosmology greater than or as layered and complex as DC’s. The Life Equation being from the Source itself outside the metaphorical and literal comic panel wall is meant to be the highest end of DC Cosmic.

If you’re going to take Spiral Power being able to evolve to the point of overcoming that, then something has broken. To me, this feels more like Goku vs Superman where you have something that always moves past any limitation thrown at it because they have infinite potential to grow and evolve (Spiral Power) going up against something that never had any such limitations from the start because their setting is that massive and vastly esoteric in nature (Life Equation). Eventually, infinite potential would lose to the one that’s already reached their potential because that’s the highest it’s at.

Kratos can drain Kyle

HOLY FUARK

mm I think he did say forms/concepts exist above matter or something like that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of_the_Good

Neither has DC’s dimensions been capped off either. They’ve fluctuated even higher from Metron’s 28 dimensions statement to that fuckass Wildstorm multiverse at nearly 200 fuckass dimensions.

You say Simon can do the impossible? Kyle does the impossible better.

That doesn't really work here as Lanterns very explicitly have limits both on their rings and their very power source. Also if they bring in Otoko, Avant Simon literally broke out of his comic panel walls

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

to put it into perspective, even if given a year of prep with full knowledge on everything they are and can do and went in with 100% conviction to kill the Xeelee, Rick from Rick and Morty would get shitstomped without any hope of success against the titular aliens of the Xeelee series.

if that level of bullshit interests you, go for it.

Platonism is just concept erasure,

Have giga infinite universes with bears in them

Delete the concept of a bear

No more bears in any universe

It might as well be magic bullshit right now, but that does kind of automatically go 1A

Made for marrying V1 and winning the following Sex Battle.

Except, y'know, when he doesn't.

The issue is that while Kyle could harness the power of his entire cosmology, he flat out cannot control it. At all.
Otherwise he has the 12.3D Big Bang they gave him + whatever multipliers his WL form gets, this is something Simon should be able to surpass if he doesn't already. And he's on a time limit that they've already established while Simon is not.

Relic would suck Simon dry as well.

11D at most, 12 if we're being generous.

Kyle can't even time travel, his abilities aren't that impressive in the grand scheme of things unless you're swan

The Kyle/cucky poster accidentally ousts himself as a literal Indian

KEKAROO!!! Kylefags will never recover!

Kyle can't even time travel

really?

kwab

It's interesting how people dodge the 6 dimensional universe which has been well-established for years, and instead focus on out-of-context statements fringe comics that uses the same word but refers to something else...which is made clear by the conext.

Rama Kushna and the Wanderer referred to universes.

But even if it didn't it wouldn't matter since the mainline continuity always takes precedence.

DB Kyle can

Yes.

Not to mention Kyle is lower than Simon on vsbw too

RAPEDtos…

Using vsbw is gay, anon.

11D at most

Can you not read, fag?

They lifted the restriction on time travel. It's why even Pie Face who was a total novice with a ring could do it.

In Plato's Theory of Forms, in which Forms are defined as perfect, eternal, and changeless concepts existing outside space and time, the Form of the Good is the mysterious highest Form and the source of all the other Forms.

It's so funny finding out ancient philopshers and storytellers were the OG powerscalers

massive and vastly esoteric in nature (Life Equation)

That's the tricky part because Simon can't even stop the Spiral Nemesis, which is conclusion of uncontrolled Spiral Power pushed to the extreme basically, a natural event caused by the cosmic force that binds Simon and all Spiral life to the infinite Universe and its spiral galaxies. Spiral Power, as in the concept itself, is esoteric in nature and Simon has never shown an ability to be able to affect it on a conceptual level (which is something the Anti-Spiral would dream of doing by the way).

Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative"; based entirely on the ontological quality and nature of their existence, rather than any quantitative or numerical principle.

A way to explain their superiority over "physical composition" would be to bring attention to the fact that all of the previous tiers can be expressed as the union of constructs of lower tiers. For example, a 4-dimensional spacetime continuum is at most Low 2-C. However, an inaccessible cardinal's worth of such spacetimes is well into High 1-B+. In spite of the extremely large gap in size between the individuals comprising this totality and the totality itself, the latter is simply the sum of all the former, and as such both ultimately reside in the same state of existence, and have continuity of composition within that state.

Likewise, even the Von Neumann Universe (As well as larger structures still) is still simply the union of many elements that, individually, are smaller than itself. And the same applies to any mathematical space whatsoever.

outerversal kind of was invented to describe something like the Realm of forms to be honest.

Hyperuranion:

In Plato's philosophy, the hyperuranion, also known as the "realm of forms" or the "Platonic realm," is a transcendent, heavenly place where the perfect, unchanging forms or ideas of all things exist. These Forms are considered to be the ultimate reality, of which the objects and experiences in our perceived world are merely imperfect copies.

regarding that, whats the source on that reasoning? Like anyone here know enough why Kyle there isnt as high as DB is making out to be?

and use actual comic material, no "VS Wiki is just retarded!" that still doesnt explain fully enough the statements made there. if they're wrong, explain why with actual comic info.

ohhhhh nooooooo

isn't Goku still stronger? well anime Super Goku

Can read just fine.

blah blah blah he just hiding

Again, I'm feeling generous, so you'll get 12D and nothing more.

it's VSBW and Gacha, There's probably some powerful villain that threaten multiple timelines or someshit

That doesn't really work here as Lanterns very explicitly have limits both on their rings and their very power source

This exact argument was against Superman when he fought Goku for a third time. They just said that in spite of the weaknesses he has, such as magic, they stated that Superman’s greater strength would just overcome that. Supes’ stats in GvS3 had him outputting strength in the nonillions, and his speed went beyond eternity. At that point, no matter what saiyan form Goku could take, it would never reach Superman because he’s already reached his potential in accepting himself, Goku’s potential will never be reached because his potential will always be the drive to improve himself. It’s the equivalent of moving to one point or another except one has already reached their point while the other, despite moving for ages, still hasn’t arrived. I’m making this argument about potentiality because this was a point Death Battle has brought up at least twice referring to the last two matches of Goku vs Superman.

And they won’t bring Otoko because that has a vastly different continuity and isn’t connected to the main story of the series, despite the multiverse shit with all versions being canon in some way.

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potentially? universe level characters vary since the scale of that powerlevel varies widely. its like the range of a 1 to 1,000,000 from low to high tier.

Again, I'm feeling generous, so you'll get 12D and nothing more.

Nah, I'm feeling unspecified number today buddy

Bloodloss takes many lives daily.

STRING THEORY MOTHER FUCKER

Magic isn't as big of a deal to Superman as energy siphon is to lanterns and he can more readily recharge him self with the sun which is always juicing him. The ring has far more limits and when it flickers out you are left with a normie

At maximum overwank, Kyle wins. Which is why DB will give it to him.

For the love of all that's good and holy in this world, post a fucking translated image you utter retard. I. Don't. Speak. Japanese.
...and?

That has a vastly different continuity and isn't connected to the main series

Simon literally absorbs both of them and it was confirmed by the creator of the series it was part of it

it is lonely at the top

nah its just that Goku's peak was so vastly lower than Superman that while he could POTENTIALLY reach it, to assume that would be to assume a MASSIVE growth in power thats too large to give to Goku which would just result in a NLF.

Ummm, official translations? None? THEN THEY AINT GONNA BE USED! KYLE WINS!

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It's saying the same shit as the anime. THE POINT IS THE VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE BRANE LAYERS AND HOW THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE DIMENSIONS BEYOND THE 11TH

"They've created an oscillating time-space between the membranes of the dimensional universes, the 10th and 11th dimensions."

"bilingual japanese dont exist"

It’d be a boring fight, caused some seethe from GOWfags, and the fight would’ve flopped even harder in views. Realistically, anyone with eyes that’s seen both games would know that Asura punches Kratos into red mist in one blow. That wouldn’t make for a fun fight though and even with fanfic Kratos, the fight was not dynamic nor interesting. Their kits just don’t mash well with each other nor do the pace they fight. Asura should’ve fought someone close to Chakravartin’s level or a fair bit stronger, maybe Beerus or Broly. I’d say Broly because of the power growth factor.

Kratos is tier -1 because he transcends VSBW tiers

Most people would have gone "no shit" after seeing what they actually do while autistic powerfags screech about fanfic Kratos for awhile

And he's on a time limit that they've already established while Simon is not.

Yes, but lantern rings have been shown multiple times that if you feel a particular emotion strongly enough, you don’t need to charge the ring constantly. Hal’s shown this is possible, and even Atrocitus too if he’s pissed off enough. When Kyle had the White Lantern ring on, he was already powering himself up because he was believing in the value of Life itself.

If any, this might actually be an issue for Simin because if his whole deal is to grow and evolve past his limits, wouldn’t that motivate Kyle to do the same and begin to believe even more in Life?

They just said that in spite of the weaknesses he has, such as magic, they stated that Superman’s greater strength would just overcome that

This has nothing to do with anything. They straight up said that god ki was not magic, and EVEN IF IT WERE, magic is not an autowin against Supes.
On the flipside, Simon has drained energy attacks, and energy draining has actually been an autowin against Kyle numerous times. He's shown precisely 0 feats of being able to resist it on levels that are vastly less impressive than 'can absorb an entire multiverse'. Weaker characters than Kyle can drain him, as well.

had him outputting strength in the nonillions,

Goku's strength increase comes from forms he gets after vast amounts of training and time and effort, and the multipliers tend to be in terms of things like 10 or 50 times power boosts. He is not 'goes from a 3 dimensional moon level being' to '11 dimensional multiversal monster' in seconds like Simon is.

And they won’t bring Otoko because that has a vastly different continuity

Otoko is canon, explicitly part of the GL multiverse per the author, and they get absorbed by prime Simon at the end of it. There's 0 reason to not include it outside of the fact it's untranslated, and if Simon loses on that that is frankly pathetic.

Super Goku scales only to 6 Universes, while X cast to more than 27

Here you dense faggot

Kyle had to run to the source wall for a recharge and for the pages before that he was screwed. That's not going to fly against someone who is nuking every space in time constantly. He even jobbed to an energy siphon guy while in the source lantern.

He's shown precisely 0 feats

and this is why I think they’re going to give kyle a 7x stat multiplier for his white lantern form lmao

Kyle had to run to the source wall for a recharge and for the pages before that he was screwed

Nta but we can literally see kyle charging up the ring as he is heading straight towards the wall before he even makes contact, im pretty sure the wall had nothing to do with his charging then.

He was not 'believing in the power of life itself' in that panel. It's because he's charging towards the Source Wall which is the, well, source of his powers.

If he wanted to quickly recharge in the fight he'd have to run away from Simon to the Source Wall which already nebulously should be included in this matchup to begin with. I assume both will be given immeasurable speed which would make this really rough. Simon can just fight whenever he wants.

Also this same story says that the DC emotional reservoir is a finite pool that can be drawn upon (in fact, he's entering the Source Wall so he can refill it, and later on he says he has no idea how he did that and doesn't know if he can do it again), so this still doesn't really work for Kyle.

I don't think Kyle is winning this

Why

Yes because he was approaching the source wall.

Hulkbros, Godzilla has Digimon scaling now...

If Kyle wins this I vote we either ban DC from DB or ban Swan from DB.

Simon sissies will talk about how Relic drained Kyle but gloss over Kyle beating his ass by doing what Simon does on a higher level.

Huh? You can't read Japanese? A language you have zero reason to study and learn to speak and read fluently

YOU REEEEETARRRRRD

Kill yourself, your family, and your dog, you worthless sack of meat and bones. You're barely even worth the two functioning braincells you have on life support. I bet you'd eat shit and think it was chocolate. The fact I'm of the same species as you brings me immense, boundless shame.

In short: Fuck you, faggot.

He was already close to the wall, and the ring wasn’t charging yet. I don’t like splitting hairs on this because it’s just an undefined point, but it’s awfully convenient for him to start charging as he states that as he believes in life, he begins powering up. It’s not like Death Battle is going to pull out some comic from years ago to prove that its somehow false when we know they take lore statements seriously.

Approaching doesn't count downplayer. Lanterns have always been able to create more energy by powering up.

Is that motherfucking Wargreymon fused with Godzilla?

He didn't. He ran away to the source wall for a recharge. The fact that he somehow managed to lose while within the fucking source lantern against an energy siphon guy should tell you all you need to know that the dude sucks shit against it.

Yes. They had an entire collab event with the theme being G cells infecting and powering up digimon.

Too late little nigger, get the fuck off my board and go back to r*ddit where you belong, you arrogant cunt.

ow the edge

That wasn't the fight with relic simon sissy. Prepare your asshole because simple simon is going to join buck broken ben in hell.

awesome.

Godzilla will also fuse with Eva Unit 01.

Because White Lanterns are kind of featless. We know they’re powerful and stronger than regular lanterns but we don’t know by how much, a d since regular GLs can warp reality to their liking and resist existence erasure, then where do you exactly define what their true level of power is? They’ve done absurd calcs to get a rough estimate on certain characters’ capabilities so I wouldn’t put it past them to give Kyle some bizarre spatial dimensional capabilities because of how high it is

Simonfags will see this and then desperately default to spamming "DRAIN DRAIN DRAIN"

How do godzilla cells infect beings made out of data?

Kyle still has the HUGE problem of getting his ring energy stolen loooool

Otto, do you think they’re gonna give kyle the stat multiplier and swank math scaling?

and it'll work too.

The panel does a piss poor job of showing the branes by the way.

Don't underestimate the potential of being fucking pissed.

Final form Godzilla gonna end up looking like this.

Best they got is the 12X inerton thing that left Kyle completely spent and out of power.

Because they're GODZILLA cells.

I've heard rumors that the explanation for the fight is going to be particularly long. I think it's mostly going to be Swank going on a word salad screed about how multi-infinite both settings are and why DC is slightly more multi-infinite.

so what is the context here. does kyle's ring need to be charged and can it be drained/absorbed or what

But he never absorbed anything like ring energy!

Kyle's ring can be drained and absorbed. It has happened plenty of times with it often times leaving him helpless

Unironically this.

Ben 10 had Alien X and Feedback could handle the energy of the big bang and you’re telling me that neither of these aliens who were capable of energy draining lost to a Green Lantern? Why should Kyle be any different if they’re going to compare him with fucking every other Green Lantern in existence.

His cum is that powerful.

...anon, the page I posted was the page right beforehand. The ring starts charging up well before his 'believes in life' statement. This is from GL 2011 Annual 2, you can go read it yourself.

And again, this entire storyline is literally about how the emotional energy of the DC universe is a finite source of energy to begin with that Kyle can only replenish with outside help and does not know how to even do, so even if he could recharge whenever he wants, he literally cannot do it forever.

higher dimensional energy :)
so why is this an argument?

Does it need to be charged?

Yes I believe it has it's own lantern battery like conventional rings.

Can it be drained/absorbed?

If you're something like Relic or a Manhunter robot where you know what you're doing and have the power to do so, sure. Could Simon do it? I doubt it. At the very least it'll be canceled out by Kyle's own energy draining.

It's not. It's just DCfags coping and trying to latch onto cosmology for upteenth time to say Simon is just not allowed to take advantage of this weakness

so why is this an argument?

I dunno but makes a convincing argument

It was charging up well outside the wall. There's no aura of white lantern energy leaking out of the wall.

This guy literally doesn't recognize the ring or the power source it has and was still capable of draining WL Kyle's attacks just fine.

If you're something like Relic or a Manhunter robot where you know what you're doing and have the power to do so, sure.

Considering not even Doctor Manhattan could manipulate emotional energy, and he’s powerful enough to reboot all of DC Capeshit into the New 52, I find it hard to see how Simon could drain his energy when not even someone like him found it hard to control.

Kyle wasnt trying here.

Dr. Manhattan is the one who broke Kyle's ring in the first place

Parasite drained it too and he's a janitor. I don't see your point. It's not like Kyle is trying to murder this generic alien power absorber anyway.

Infinity plus 3 enemy.

Kyle wasnt [HEADCANON]

Simon won lmao

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MY MAINSTAY

It's not complex enough for me so I don't like it, therefore it's invalid

fuck off

“Broke”

He just split his ring into 7 other constituent lantern rings of the emotional spectrum, sure Manhattan could affect Kyle’s connection to the emotional spectrum, but Manhattan made it very clear he couldn’t control it outright.

If he wanted to destroy the white lantern ring to ensure Kyle never gained access to it again, he would’ve done so since he’s capable of annihilating people like Pandora and Owlman out of existence but he clearly didn’t do that to the ring.

tfw everyone is bitching about this when DB is just going to make them both infinite power / speed / dimensional in some fashion

you need to have the means and power to drain kyle's ring

people weaker than kyle who don't even recognize his ring can absorb energy from him just fine

Also, you do recognize the red constructs Kyle is using there? He's enraged because Carol got hurt. Why wouldn't he be trying hard against this guy?

Could Simon do it? I doubt it. At the very least it'll be canceled out by Kyle's own energy draining.

Kyle has little to no experience stealing energy. and he doesn't really have a way to counter Spiral Power without resorting to the LE. considering Simon turned a multiversal labyrinth into spiral power, I think he would be able to handle stealing Kyle's just fine

Finally some anons who are bringing proper counterarguments for Kyle instead of saying the exact same thing over and over again. (This goes for Simonfags too btw)

Yeah, everyone is wasting their breathes. It's hax vs hax. Literally just that.

Alright. Digimon vs Tamagotchi. Who's Bandai's favorite virtual pet series?

Gonna cry?

But Simon can keep evolving and getting more hax for as long as he wants. Kyle, can't.

Exactly this. The arguments of energy draining are pretty moot because Kyle is capable of the same thing, the only way I can see Simon hitting the achilles’ heel here is if he has something that can specifically target Kyle’s emotional connection to the lantern spectrum. That’s the only way I can see Kyle losing.

I agree, but I wonder how much DB will be willing to take that. I can see them easily go "Simon never dealt with this, so that's why he lost!"

He was able to manipulate it, that's how he got it off Guy to begin with, he just said it was difficult for him to do so. That being said, the last time Simon went up against a huge big bang explosion, he lost to it, and everyone's favorite head-in-a-jar had to rescue him by giving up his life to convert it into an energy he could manipulate and absorb. That shows that Simon's ability to manipulate energy taps out at a given amount. Now make that energy a thought-responsive life-force from another universe Simon just encountered a second ago and I think we've found something that if not impossible for Simon to absorb then extremely difficult for him to do so.

No Limits Fallacy.

No lies detected.

It applies to Spiral Power because that IS it's power.

I thought The One Above All was the Marvel top dog.

That reply was made in response to someone using vsbw

Kyle has little to no experience stealing energy.

Unless we have specific comic panels where we can see Kyle fucking up said energy draining on his own, I’m choosing to believe that you’re lying out of your ass. At least when they did it with Goku’s hakai, they provided scans of Goku explicitly saying that he’s never tried it or has no experience in using it.

Probably what's going to do it. People can argue whether he can/can't do it but you know they're going to say he can and how that combined with his power growth ends up turning the tables in the end.

Now make that energy a thought-responsive life-force from another universe Simon just encountered a second ago and I think we've found something that if not impossible for Simon to absorb then extremely difficult for him to do so.

I don't think you know what kind of character Simon is

Oh my God I completely forgot that Genome had to convert that shit using his own life. ACTUAL outside help lmao.

Death Battle applies NLF regularly

But that is literally a NLF, anon. Death Battle isn't going to use that.

In J.M. DeMatteis's cosmology he isn't apparently

When was the last time.

I would watch a death battle between these two anons

But infinite growth is how SP works. Like it or not, it doesnt have a limit.

the one time he's ever drained energy from an opponent is in a dubiously canon marvel crossover story

So canon Marvel is still stuck with TOAA who isn't omnipotent?

Will Yugi summon them against Ash?

Just because Kratos never did that doesn't mean he can't!

He's going to get all the other lantern draining feats and you know it.

Does Death Battle still consider the standalone Marvel and DC crossovers canon? Or is it just the main Marvel Universe and the Amalgam one

So Yugioh beats Sonic the Hedgehog as well?

even if they use this to say "well he can absorb simon's power" we see right there in bold text that he can't contain it

That's the problem. Kyle objectively has limits he can't go past. Simon doesn't.

What kind of energy is he absorbing?

That's a baby Kyle well before he reached his full potential.

using Marvel/DC crossovers as evidence and feats

this means Hulk jobbing to Batman can now be used for Hulk vs Godzilla

NLF doesn't apply here because Kratos Truly has no limits

Anon...that episode was just lore wank. I didn't see any NLF stuff going on.

Explain then.

Simon doesn't

Did you fall asleep during the last fight? If Simon had gone it alone, he would have lost.

There is another 'Kyle absorbs energy' feat but it's him struggling (though admittedly succeeding) to control and absorb the energy from a star busting entropy weapon (fun fact, Lucas Simon was probably banging Jade while this was happening as the cuck issue happens right after this)

Digimon were literally made to fight, but Tamagotchi have numbers.

I think this is less energy manipulation and more just controlling a black hole.

Kyle was also struggling to hold back the energy of Imperiex’s 12.3-dimensional Big Bang, it’s possible that past a certain threshold, Kyle begins to find some resistance to whatever energy he’s up against but can still put the required effort to counteract that.

It's just going to be Lex and Doom again. They're just going to give Simon multiversal level siphon potency like how Doom drained Lex despite it also being noted Lex had drain options

Anon no.

It's described as the 'power to destroy two universes'

Also it's called 'near limitless' earlier in the story
Both don't fare well for Kyle if he's struggling with that, but then again, this entire thing is dubiously canon anyway

He literally did do it alone when he overpowered the AS Giga Drill Break in Base Gurren Lagann and fought them without a mech, this is due to Spiral Power

Also Kratos being able to drain Asura's constantly replenishing mantra too

The AS is a weak bastard if punches from a human were hurting it. Actual fraud.

Remember the part where Simon then went on to solo the Super Granzeboma Giga Drill Break which made the IBBS look like a squirt gun?

The 12.3 D big bang was powered by "a bunch of galaxies", btw.

So was the one Simon apparently "tanked", but you'll just get people saying 'they're universes guys totally believe me!!!'.

Asura lost.
Kratos is infinite.
Cope and seethe.

Solo

Anon he had Viral throw him in a desperate attempt to kill the Anti-Spiral on the surface of the planet while his mech and crew were subdued by drill tentacles behind him.

The AS would have won if he had just like, I don't know, built his base in the center of the planet.

? Are you retarded, did you miss the AS infusing his own energy to the big bang...Or how the infinite big bang shitted a gazillion galaxies and erased someone at the quantum level.

Gurren Lagaan can absorb built-up energy without Simon even realizing it

Kyle needs to concentrate and is constantly fighting for his life

uhhhhh

It's described as the 'power to destroy two universes'

Wincon spotted

Anon, Kyle’s narration box literally says that he’s controlling the energy to go into his ring

Two galaxies if I remember correctly. AS just slammed them together.

No he destroyed the Super Anti Spiral Giga Drill Break with just Gurren Lagann

commentary says they were universes

I don't recall him struggling much with it. Was this the one where a catgirl kissed him? He should have stuck with her given what happened in the next issue.

The second universe if the Marvel universe so what are the odds Ghost Rider scaling comes back to help Kyle win?

So was the one Simon apparently "tanked"

Difference being one has been said to be comparable to the Universe's creation, creating dozens upon dozens of new galaxies, while the other is just "a bunch of galaxies were used to make this"

he probably only watched the series

turns two galaxies into a big bang

acts nothing like a big bang

Genome had to literally sacrifice his fucking life in order to convert it into something Simon can absorb

Pretty weak.

turns two galaxies into a big bang

universes

A big bang being projected by an entity that’s described as 12.3D and said to be the embodiment of entropy.

Tiny laser by the way

Galaxies are conflated with universes more often than you think. But it's a moot point given have both Simon and Kyle will be scaled so high universes are a joke to them.

Given the scale and time Imperiex operated he likely consumed far more galaxies than are pictured in the blast. Didn't he leave a blank void from one side of the universe leading up to Earth?

universes

So WHY are the galaxies made in this gif the exact same fucking size as the so-called "universes"?

ahem

Okay, you are retarded, did you ignore fusing his own energy?

Still higher dimensional and can be absorbed

Lordgenome meanwhile had to die like a bitch for Simon to stand a chance

New thread, move when needed.

Higher dimensional

Of an inherently weaker verse than our own whose universes die from a single planet exploding

I saw him smash two galaxies together. Fuck off.

Draw a universe. Show us what it would look like. The creators have said, MULTIPLE TIMES. That those are supposed to be universes. They look like galaxies BECAUSE they didnt know how else to represent them otherwise. Now, do you know what a universe looks like to an outside observer? If you do, you would win a lot of awards and be the most famous person in history.

>turns two galaxies into a big bang

Yes

Tetukan: I'm reading a massive energy buildup!

Leeron: It's on par with the birth of the Universe.

Cybella: It's almost like a Big Bang...

Viral: And they're going to hit us with that?

The Anti-Spiral: Infinity Big Bang Storm! Burn in the everlasting hellfire of the universe's creation! Be utterly annihilated, down to the very last scrap of DNA!

>acts nothing like a big bang

It's a concentrated energy beam, it creates galaxies instantaneously, and expands at MFTL instead of having them take billions of years, that makes it a stronger version

>Genome had to literally sacrifice his fucking life in order to convert it into something Simon can absorb

Yes unfortunately, RIP Chadgenome

Why do I get the feeling that the analysis for this fight is going to include a comparison between the Anti-Spiral and Imperiex to make the argument that Kyle faced off against a “version” of Anti-Spiral or something.

inherently weaker verse

Bait or retardation?

It isn’t even Simon saying that you autistic cuckspammer

Nigger I'll SHOW YOU what our observable universe looks like.
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A GALAXY YOU DUMB NIGGER?

Now, add imagination which exists outside of time…

Okay, I’m no dcfag but if the source wall is meant to be the very limit of dc’s verse, and the 5th dimension is above and outside time itself, how exactly does this mean that kyle would lose here? I dont think there’s anything in gurren lagann thats been stated to be outside of time itself

Looks like a galaxy to me. A flat disc full of light.

it's round

NOW WHAT FAGGOT

This scene was amazing when I saw it on TV, but it was a little hard to understand on TV, it was too fast, and it was bouncing around. What does that mean? That's the wrong galaxy. That's bad. Imaichi-san said that this galaxy is wrong, but he said it's funny so it's okay, so it's like throwing a galaxy with a wrong interpretation. I see, I see. In other words, this galaxy is a universe that can fly, bounce, and be thrown, so if you think of it as a universe that can fly, bounce, and be thrown, it's fine. I see. But when Nakajima was in the Universe scenario and asked "What is that galactic shuriken?" he said that it would be fine if he just threw it, and now he's throwing it because it's about time to start. There's been a lot of weird stuff going on since way back. It's weird, isn't it? It's a weird perception. It's not wrong, so it's okay, okay, okay. I thought it would be rolled up, but it's funny that it's just the way it is. I guess it must have become hard after spinning at such high speed.

youtube.com/watch?v=AD36XZOgjq4

The Japanese word for space is "uchu" and can mean universe, space, or a vague portion of space. "Spaceship" is "uchusen" and "Space Sheriff Gavan" is "Uchū Keiji Gavan" but he patrols the Milky Way not the whole universe.

There's no real unambiguous word in Japan for "universe" unless you count words and phrases that mean "all things" or "everything."

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Work on bait.
Yes, and ever expanding. Looks more like an eye to me, though.

H-HERE IS COMMENTARY THAT-

Does. It. Look. Like. A. Galaxy. Nigger?

Makes more sense as "this galaxy is a space that can fly, bounce, and be thrown" since in context he's talking about how unrealistic the scenario was (It was too fast and bouncing around, what does that mean? That's the wrong galaxy!), He's not trying to make it more unrealistic by turning them into tiny universes that somehow create an explosion that is described as the birth of a singular universe.

More examples.

Japanese translations of Star Trek terms like "Klingon space" end up as "Uchū Klingon," but the Klingons don't control an entire universe.

Neos Space as in the place Neo Spacians come from in Yugioh is Uchū Neos but the actual place is a weird pocket dimension near Jupiter on GX.

"Muge Space," the place the bad guy from Dancougar lives, is, you guesed it, "Uchū Muge." It's a pocket dimension.