When did it become "hip" to hate Pocahontas?

When did it become "hip" to hate Pocahontas?

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Probably around the same time people learned the true history of Pocahontas.

I hated the movie since the day it came out in 1995.

Why?

how old were you then?

It wasn't funny.

The raccoon was kinda funny. But yeah, there was an overall lack of humor.

Looking at the highest grossing movies list, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Casper and Batman Forever were (and still are) objectively better and they came out at that same Summer season, and I know I'm comparing apples to oranges here. Just in general, Pixar's first outing Toy Story blew Pocahontas out of the water, more specifically in writing, humor and character dynamic. Pocahontas was boring and uninteresting, especially for Renaissance era Disney movies

Yeah. It was a big serious prestige project built not just on a lie but on several unsavory liberties and cynical sociopolitical calculus.

I mean, even from the white perspective. One of the first things you learn about John Smith is he's only portrayed so positively because he was the one in charge of the record.
You see a lot of the politics of her marriage are basically removed as well as the war between the two tribes that was happening when the settlers arrived. Generally all the politics of the first Thanksgiving are cut out.
But you wanna know the most egregious liberty it took? Radcliffe, the big fucking villain of the movie, was the one irl who DIDN'T like how gung-ho the settlers were getting about native affairs and largely saw the natives as a potential vital trade partner. The guy who was gunning for peace the entire fucking time was turned into the big genocidal villain when IRL it was Smith who was super eager to settling things violently

As soon as it came out, you fucking zoomer. It never had a fanbase like most other Disney princess movies because of things like it being about a real person instead of a fairytale character and the "real" setting clashing terribly with talking trees and zany animal sidekicks.

Since it came out?
Like, are you going to argue Batman Forever and Waterworld are also beloved films cause they made a lot of money?

Radcliffe also got tortured to death by said natives by having his skin flayed off with seashells. Which kind of you know, completely spits in the face of the innocent peaceful tribe angle they were going for. I really despise the portrayal of the Native Americans as a monolithic bloc that only wanted peace ever, they were complex cultures and political entities that often had nothing in common with each other and were just as subject to complex social interactions as any other group of peoples. Lumping them all together into a monotonous blob based vaguely on smashing together a few key tribes like the Iroquois and Sioux while acting like they were somehow missing entire aspects of the human condition is honestly extremely insulting.

I rewatched Die Hard With A Vengeance so many fucking times as a kid, despite Die Hard not being made for my age group. If you'd asked kid me if I wanted to watch Pocahontas or Die Hard I'd never have picked Pocahontas because it was boring. Casper was also an easier pick because it was scary and sad, while Pocahontas was bland with its emotions.

It is an Eternal Albion movie.

There was a Native American scholar who talked about this and he pretty much said that one of the big issues of how the history is portrayed in pop culture is that in order to simplify the story they often resort to what can only be called infantilization of the Native culture itself, portraying them as beings who were screwed over and completely foreign to the concepts of malicious intent, in the process ironically making them so romanticized that you end up less empathetic to the very real things that happened because they come off as so mystic and exotic that they're portrayed more like mystical elves and spirit people rather than a genuine group of people who actually existed.

Screwed over by virtue of being completely foreign to the idea of malicious intent.*

At least the Waterworld attraction at Universal Studios is still drawing in people. Who ever went to Disneyland just to see Pocahontas?

It got mogged by the Disney 'B-Team' film The Lion King, probably the start of the downfall of Disney Princess films.

Well that seems like an extremely racist view of things. In truth, the natives lived in harmony and peace for a thousand generations as one with nature and they rightly revered queerness because they were so wise.

Die Hard 3 was number 1 in 95?

When the pink-haired gang decided it was rayciss

Weird how this works.

When did it become "hip" to hate Pocahontas?

Sometime in the 90's.

I'm surprised too. Looks like an awfully weak year for the box office though. Even given that prices were of course lower then, $366 million worldwide for the top movie is pretty sad.

1995 is widely regarded as the weakest year for movies in the 90s. There were a bunch of big projects that were getting started that year but wouldn't come to fruition until the next year or even later, and some studios were taking a breather after putting out tons of films in the earlier part of the decade. Not like it was totally devoid of anything decent but yeah it's a notable lull compared to the rest of the decade.

1995 years old

When they made pocahontas sleep with the evil colonizer

I don't hate her hips. Bend over squa, imma colonize that fertile land.

everyone recognized it was racist immediately though, you stupid faggot. the whole point was that they thought they were making some kind of prestige animated feature and ended up doing magic indian caricature while also both sidesing colonialism.

Indians were not living in perfect harmony before whitey arrived. The faggots that hate the movie are doing the same thing they claim the movie does.

also making her older so she could be sexy 'exotic' woman and hooking her up with the wrong real person.
no one claimed they were, and that isn't what the issue was.

the faggots that hate the movie

you are trying to pretend calling pocahontas racist trash is in any way not the standard view of everyone who isn't a contrarian shitbag like you. the movie also doesn't say they were living in perfect harmony. they wouldn't have warriors if they were.

Waterworld

Batman Forever

Damn, that year sucked.

Pocahontas was the only one to do so, he rest of them were all painted savages.

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The worst part of this to me is that it seems their problem is not that it depicts the natives as noble savages, but rather that it doesn't make the conflict black-and-white ENOUGH.

It had Toy Story 1, it can't be that bad.

Waterworld is overhated.

Say what you will about the movie, at least it didn't have Pocahontas petulantly whining about the Royal Navy.

Yeah but outside of it there's really not much going on. Compare that to any other year in the 90s and you'll see a way stronger lineup.

Reminder that the French recorded two different successful genocides by the Iroquois against other tribes.