How/Why were the Archie Turtles so Based and Kino while Archie Sonic made Sonic '06 look like Sonic 1?

Oh sure, give Flynn crap for working with the trash fire Penders left him.

What about it?

Flynn tried to salvage and repair the dumpster fire Penders and Bollers left behind but it was too much and SEGA's increasing licensing fees were too much for Archie to handle

All flynn ever did was pour gasoline on the fire and make it worse. Like goddamn you know penders only wrote 1 fiona cuck issue then moved on, because he wanted to get Tails his own girlfriend?
Ian turned that into a years-long humiliation train for Tails then left him a permavirgin who still simps for sonic anyway.

If anyone “salvaged” archie it was Tracy Yardley for knowing how to draw the characters in the adventure style

TMNT started as a comic, started as an AMERICAN property (this is important), and the people they grabbed for writing duties were already people deeply invested in the American comics culture that TMNT sprang from and who had worked on similar stuff prior. Michael Dooney and Dave Garcia were both flurries who worked in indie comics already. Later writers were associated with Mirage Comics already or had been published by Dave Sim, for example. There was a built in pipeline, stories taking multiple issues was an expectation going in, and there was respect for the property.

Meanwhile, Sonic is a Japanese property from the video game space when a lot of Americans were still weirdly hostile to both. It's pulling from Looney Tunes, Disney, Bluth, Fleischer, Messmer, Aragones, and even stuff like Roger Rabbit, Pogo and Peanuts at a time where the people in the floppy comics scene were NOT into that kind of thing. It was probably hard to even identify those influences with Sega of America airbrushing over everything, so it came off more like it was coming from a Mattel Toys/Gummi Bear's angle. The Japanese parts were just completely lost on the West, too. So it comes off as yet another shitty cynical cash grab in a space these people aren't interested in.

You can see this directly in early picks: they went for Scott Shaw because he had experience with adapting low-rent cartoons and Mike Gallagher because he had experience with Mad Magazine (Sergio Aragones throughline recognized). They hired on Mike Kanterovitch because he was a nerd who understood JP pop culture a bit and Ken tagged along because they were buddies. They hired on a guy who drew Ranma smut and kept trying to do "anime" pinups later on because they honestly did not get the brand at all.

That's what it all comes down to. Early perception within the space.

Tails wasn't cucked enough

Most people who've written on Sonic did a bad job, let's be fair. Also, most of Ian's good stuff was when he was building on Ken's trash.

The franchise has gone far too long to boil it down to one thing or another, it's a comedy of errors as time marches on.

you know penders only wrote 1 fiona cuck issue then moved on

That's not true at all. Also, Ken wrote Bunnie getting raped twice.

Punching Hitler upsets this anon.

That's sad, dude.

I'm all for decking mustache man in the schnozz, but having a ninja turtle do it while mourning the holocaust seems in poor taste, among other things

Is it? This was extremely common in pop culture at the time, which is part of why it became a meme. Indiana Jones lit a big "Yeah, FUCK the Nazis!" zeitgeist in people. It's a cheap pop off for a thing most people agree with.

I think people have a knee jerk reaction to it since the American left deemed a lot of their countrymen Nazis simply by supporting the opposing presidential candidate

I notice that instead of "oh, ok," you're still trying to steer this into a politics discussion instead of talking about TMNT and Sonic comic books and the culture around them.

I'd suggest fucking off if you're not actually here to talk about the topic.

Still

This is only my second post. Simply answering the anons question

He made gold out of a shit pile with what he had from Penders.

IDW is just an utter snooze fest because he tried to do the same stick for the 3rd time when it was clear he was not going to have the same leeway.

You don't see subtlety in trolling anymore.

I hate Hitler too, anon it you big dumb if you thought that image would generate genuine comic discussion without other baggage

Another day another dogshit thread

Doubling down while ignoring the actual discussion in the thread.

Kys.

it's 100% true. Penders only wrote 155, his only single issue of it, then immediately moved on to 157's Shadow arc and left it behind. Ian dredged it back up himself and made it much worse for years.

come the Dreamcast era Archie had to scramble and update Sonic, Eggman, and Amy. And game canon and comic canon were like oil and water

Hitler

Same writer the whole run. A hippie, granted, but still.

Dodges context, ignores rest of statement.

Oh, so you're just a disingenuous faggot, got it.

There is nothing controversial about punching Hitler.
He was a Nazi and all Nazis are faggots.
Kill all fascists honestly.

Aye!

Oh yeah, Hitler's brain gets a robot spider-body and travels back in time to team up with himself. The turtles kick both their asses, and when Leo tells Hitler they're only there for his brain, Hitler declares they won't have it and shoots himself.

Kys faggots

But the Holocaust didn't happen? He punched Hitler for no reason.

He was still an asshole with dreams of world domination, it was inevitable.

Meanwhile, Fleetway was able to make their adaptation work by just saying "Fuck it".

Ten million europeans died fighting World War 2, so "For the Millions" still works.

You seem upset by what they said. Wanna talk about it?

Shut up namefag

Just because he's a namefag with shit taste in catgirls, doesn't mean he's wrong in this instance.

It was a lot of things. Mostly that the pulps from around the time of the war typically used Nazis as the go-to villains for a lot of it for pro-war propaganda.
After the war, the US was the only country that looked upon the war far more in triumph than tragedy because we weren't bombed to hell and back. It became this moment where we really got to flex our military might. So the image of that triumph and especially Normandy became these big pieces of Americana compared to the Eastern theater which had been kinda soiled by the fact we unveiled a weapon which could potentially end the world onto a civilian populace. Therefore, a lot of popular pulps and comics would continue to use the time period well into the 60s-80s
Beyond that, the Nazis had a meticulously crafted aesthetic that was designed to be as threatening as possible down to the manner in which they marched. So they lent a great villain aesthetic for the heroes to fight."
Which lent to them being more appealing villains than the soviets even if the soviets were more powerful. Plus we never had a direct war with the soviets and cold war tensions meant we really didn't wanna potentially rile one up.
So yeah, the "nazis as the villains" thing definitely predates the current tensions around shit like the alt-right and what have you.

shit taste in catgirls

Oh?

It's a shame modern lefties diluted the trope so much

Archie Turtle was always the lesser Turtle book.

Compared to what, Mirage? Apples and oranges really.

Go fuck yourself for trying to drag the conversation kicking and screaming into the political argument you're desperately seeking.

Zionists justify every evil they do using this mindset

Yes he is

Pretty milquetoast observation but okay

Which part?

All of it

Care to elaborate?

Bruh, the Turtles had more Japanese baked into them from Day 1 than Sonic did. Japanese through the lens of early 80's comics, granted, but how is a cartoon animal fighting a bumbling mad scientist a foreign concept to 90's kids?

This. Socialism is a disease.

Is it still okay to punch Hitler, or is hatred towards genuine Nazis woke now?

Depends who you ask.

Its always okay to punch Hitler.

It's always been fine it's just something only weird liberals get super giddy about these days

Shut up faggot

Nazism isn't socialism you amerimutt tranny