Why is this so common?
Why is this so common?
Because studios are unlikely to greenlight action cartoons so showrunners start off as an episodic comedy, before ramping up the lore.
This is Helluva Boss, but replace "lore" with "gay homo yaoi faggotry"
Because Adventure Time showed that you can get away with just about anything a network wouldn't normally accept so long as you start out with a silly premise. Also this isn't common anymore, it's not 2019.
They should greenlight action seriously it's like we only have 2 categories nowadays for cartoons.
Luckily xmen and invincible are out hut monkey season 2 came out as well so we could start seeing a action resurgence
because children don't watch this shit, weird adults do
Nowdays I think it's because people have a weird hatred for slice of life and monster of the week, or think they're childish and don't have value which is an incredibly stupid point of view to have when you're making cartoons, let alone watching them as an adult.
I think people are just afraid to be silly or lighthearted out of fear that they look dumb so they try and overcompensate.
It should be noted though that cartoons going serialized and getting lore is nothing new, Codename KND and Jimmy Neutron did this, for instance. But the difference there is those cartoons didn't change themselves or what they were fundamentally about. A good version of this trope would be still keeping the silly and episodic approach, but do serialized lore/drama stuff every now and then. You gotta integrate the two, not change drastically. The first Yu-Gi-Oh anime from 1998 is also a good point of reference.
Yes I'm shitting on Adventure Time and it's decision later on to turn it into a mopey drama and cater to 20something fanfic writers instead of yknow 6-11 year old boys.
it makes sense when you have a long-running show like that to grow up with your audience. kids will be more interested in new things unless you're a complete institution like spongebob
Sure, but Gumball did it better
but season 1 was also gay homo yaoi faggotry
Anime addicts loving the whole To Be Continued thing with their cartoons while studio what the cartoons to be episodic so they can so then out of order on their channels
syndication died and serialization is here to stay
Season 1 is to get greenlit by executives. Season 2 is what they actually wanted to do.
The creator of Victor and Valentino said the higher-ups didn't really let him go into the lore aspect of the show until the final season.
They wanted episodic comedies even though that wasn't his intention with his show.
Because the lore is what the wanted to do from the start, but couldn't get enough creative freedom and security to do anything they wanted.
They go to studios and networks to pitch the show in a more toned down "safe" context so they have a better shot at getting picked up (95% of the time pitching a very story driven show to anyone in an executive position will fail, they either have zero imagination and won't understand the premise or not want to greenlight something that takes time to build up, they want immediate popularity right out the gate).
Once they have a season under their belt to show the network this will work then they get some leeway to start building onto what they've created.
Shows need episodes that can be watched in any order because kids are stupid and can't follow a story from episode to episode. Only later when the show has some modicum of success will they be allowed to become plot driven but will probably get cancelled shortly afterwards.
I mean, define growing up with the audience. It can be good but it can also lead to a shit ton of faux maturity.
The lore IS gay homo faggotry.
I don't believe that. As a kid I loved following Digimon's plot.
When it comes to re-runs, they should just also do re-runs during consistent time slots in episodic order.
Kids love consistency more than anything. Or maybe I have autism.
All this thing about lore shows and there are barely any good ones. People think they are aping anime but I can of plenty of anime thta do both episodic and storytelling good, hell someone has mentioned digimon which does lore better that most post at cartoons even though it's a kodomo anime.
Adding loreshit to a cartoon that never had it in the first place just means the writers have ran out of ideas.
True the problem with lore shows is that they're pretentious they're full of themselves.
And usually have nothing special to say
The reason they're alive us because if 20 something man and women children
Otherwise we'd have way more fun things being made
Show runners really really really really want to make Anime so so so badly but there big mean networks won't let then.
I'd let them but sadly I'm not an insanely rich person who could run my own channel/streaming platform at a loss just as a hobby.
shows need to find their footing
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You know you can show lore thrugh silly adventures, right?
Adventure time did that multiple times and there aren't that many episodes that explicit lore infodumps.
I saw a screencap of people's live reactions to this in a premiere thread but it might be gone forever since yuki la died. Which is a shame because it was probably the first time people experienced this sort of sudden dramatic backstory in a cutesy cartoon that completely changed everything.
Because after season 1 is done, they start listening to fan response online to try and isolate what people liked and double down on their success. And for any successful show, the two most dominant forms of online engagement are 'nerds arguing about the potential lore and debating their headcanon' and 'porn'.
world gets lore slapped to it
main character stays the same
i wish we got the wander exploration season. they said it'd have tested his virtues like how season 2 tested hater, but i feel like season 2 already tested wander pretty well so im curious what season 3 would've been like
Let's be honest the creator didn't seem to have much of a backbone at all considering what he let them do to his characters
This and This are what I thought of.
My theory always has been usually Season 1 is the OG creators with an idea but you have Hanger On writers that usually keep an eye on it to see if a show is successful then jump in once the foundation/hard work is done with there own input and ideas just to tag them selves in the credits. This is why the 1st game/movie is usually the best then quality goes down; many hands in the pot and all that.
Tumblr has terrible taste but has infected cartoons.
The Big Reveal was just that Ice King used to wear glasses.
Tapping the sign
Why was it common?
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See, but I like a good drama or a good thriller film. I'll just say it though, it's a genre that works best for live-action. When your film focuses on more down-to-earth human distress, there's a certain value to seeing those emotions on an actual human face.
On the topic of social commentary, it's just that these people seem to fail to realize you can't do it without first having actual good writing.
Look at Nightmare on Elm Street, that movie was literally a giant social commentary on the Boomers trying to force the idea of a cleaned-up and innocent world onto their Gen X children and how the Gen Xer's rejected that realizing it would only cause more trouble in the long run.
A lot of people have pointed out that a lot of the stuff that predates outrage culture was full of commentary but what is often left out is that the writing there was actually good and knew how to insert social commentary without pausing to wag a finger at the audience. Social commentary isn't bad, but you can always tell when a writer was just doing it to wag a finger and jerk themselves off rather than to provide anything of actual value and when too many of that type floods the market, things go to shit for the people who had actual talent
is social commentary really that bad now? i think people hate it now more for how over-the-top it is rather than the message
(doesnt help that a lot of stuff making fun of trump is also done by out-of-touch rich people)
Don't forget the overly detailed panic attack in the show because people have such a gross obsession with mental illness and putting it in children's media
literally what's wrong with letting kids know its ok to not be strong all the time
nooo kids can't know what depression is they have to suffer
Cuz it's being weak and your "friends" will quietly distance from you until you're normal again.
Current Year cartoonists hate silly adventures
Because the shows don't actually care about children and only wish to stroke their egos and show off how progressive they are to their Twitter followers