As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me

Oh they're not even the worst of it. TV writers are some of the most petulant knobs around.

Oh they're not even the worst of it. TV writers are some of the most petulant knobs around.

I don't disagree but the attitude of some of those Internet Simpsons fans wasn't really any better.

Why were the Simpsons staff so butthurt over Internet Simpsons fans back then?

They're faggots. Later they then made a whole episode about calling out George Lucas about the Star Wars prequels. Honestly the more time passes the more sympathy I have for Lucas imagine being patronized by every nerd retard from the 80s because they made your movies their entire personalities

What? They're giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free! What could they possibly owe you?

Cable was never free.
They mader like a whole episode about that even.

didn't Alec Guiness also denounce Star Wars fans?

I never understood why people seethed over the prequels so much

Alec also denounced star wars as a whole, he was a serious actor and to him that shit was embarrassing.

I have no idea but I know Harrison Ford has always had it in for them.

Denounced isn't even the correct word cause it implies he ever liked Star Wars. It was a nothing but a paycheck he immideitly regretted after dealing just a single day of Lucas's autism and begged to be killed off so he would have less shit to film and leave sooner.

Harison Ford was almost the same too but not as extreme and kept coming back cause he did enjoy his acting peers and some of the other crew despite not liking the movie and finding Lucas's directing style grating.

they were already on the way of becoming an empty shell, the first step is telling your fans you don't need them and make fun of them for liking the old show and not the lifeless thing they turned it into, it always happens to shows that go for too long

SW fans are retards, I won't refute this. But I think people forgot the long history of Lucas weird constant Star Wars revisionism with never ending remakes/directors cuts that ofdten made the film worse and tried to burry the existence of the origonal releases.

And whenever anyone told him to stop he'd call them whiny babies and that's his movies he can do whatever he wants with and has every right to burry the old versions and push the new shit.

they were already on the way of becoming an empty shell, the first step is telling your fans you don't need them and make fun of them for liking the old show and not the lifeless thing they turned it into

problem is they were bashing the show since early on, there was a notorious alt.tv.simpsons rant about Itchy & Scratchy The Movie and of course Homer Goes To College was also widely hated

Keeping with the thread topic I agree some Usenet Simpsons fans were retards especially the ones who thought the writers should keep remaking Season 2 for the rest of forever. At the same time there were episodes like And Maggie Makes Three that were very sloppily written and they got offended when some fans pointed this out.

They're giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free!*

*if you exclude the millions of dollars the directors, writers, animators, executives, and voice actors make for every episode

Becoming famous nullifies the right to privacy. Dance monkey, dance!

He was right to complain, after hyping up Poochie's debut, he was a total flop

This quote doesn't even make sense within the context of the episode because everyone agreed the episode sucked, even Bart.

The Simpsons was at one point the most popular and highest-profile series on television. It's no surprise that the writers behind it would grow to have egos and have that creep up in their work.

I seriously don't understand how it can get under people's skins this much. For every comic book guy, there is a ton of fans willing to defend you and if they themselves aren't willing to defend you, that's when you know you dun goofed.

After years of seeing how obnoxiously entitled people on Anon Babble can be, I don't think Comic Book Guy is an exaggeration anymore.

And I give them my time for free.

If no one watches the show it won't make any money and it will be cancelled.

So yes, they do owe me. And if they don't pay I'll simply stop watching.

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Guinness didn't dislike Star Wars, he was actually the only one outside Lucas who recognized how it was going to appeal to the audience which is why he insisted on a percentage of toy sales in his contract, he just saw it as the standard hero's narrative adventure film it was rather than anything special. What he hated was constantly being expected to give a shit about SW by fans or interacting with people who had no interest in his multidecade long career outside SW. That anecdote of him telling a fan to never watch SW again wasn't him hating SW, it was him saying they needed to grow and develop culturally beyond a single set of films.

Since when cable is free?

You ever seen the Usenet posts? They likely read too many of those and endlessly seethed at their idiocy, but then it had a detrimental effect on their show

This. Back then the Internet was really really niche, so you didn't remotely have "level headed fans who know how to engage with content properly" you had unironic Comic Book Guys, they were vast communities of Comic Book Guys. I get that nowadays after Millenials made people forget how adults are supposed to act like Comic Book Guy can look like an overblown caricature but back then he was very real and plentiful.

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Mike Scully literally destroys the show just to own a couple of Usenet posters

Their entire careers. If not for having fans, these people wouldn't have jobs in entertainment, and would have to go get real jobs like the rest of us. Because they have an audience, they are allowed to continue getting paid good money for jobs that don't involve much in the way of physical labor, or dealing directly with the general public. They also get paid more than the people who do physical labor and deal with the general public.

That register monkey, you better believe he would love to get paid twice as much for a job that involves sitting in a chair and talking into a microphone. What do you think that coal miner would rather do, mine coal or draw cartoon characters? Garbagemen, construction workers, plumbers, there's millions of people working jobs in this country they hate, but it pays the bills. Any one of them would be thrilled to have a job in the entertainment industry. At least 90% of the people in this country only get paid for working, they aren't getting royalties off of work they've already done.

So they owe me. Because if not for fans like me, they wouldn't be able to enjoy such a nice cushy job. I am the source of their income, I am responsible for them having a career, if they choose to mistreat me then I have no problems with cutting them off entirely and criticizing them for their arrogance. It is beyond hypocritical for them to act as if I'm being entitled for expecting them to deliver on a quality product, when they seem to believe they are entitled to an easy life and good pay.

Infuriating in a digital age. "Hey here's 5,000 opinions from random strangers and if you find a few that are negative, feel free to have a meltdown about how you're being bullied relentlessly"
again it's like these people seem to think there are things that don't get criticized online regardless of quality. Hell even the most universally agreed upon fantastic movies, shows, etc still have people bitching about them. It reminds me of those creatives that get one anonymous KYS on twitter and cry about how their life is being threatened like you have any reason to give strangers this much power over you.

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Homer Goes To College was absolutely spit-roasted on Usenet when it aired.

Proof? Please tell me this is true

Google Groups has the archived Usenet posts although you can't access it anymore with making an account on there.

What the hell are you talking about, nerd communities are a thousand times more insane now. Especially the cartoon ones.

There weren't really any troons online back then mostly douchey fratbro jock types.

alt.tv.simpsons saw an infamous diatribe posted following the airing of "Sideshow Bob Roberts" on October 9, 1994. The poster accused Simpsons creator Matt Groening of "blatant and unabashed liberal propaganda last night. Clearly someone on the show's staff is getting very worried about the midterm elections in a few weeks. I would like to see Groening strung up from a tree by his small intestine and left to slowly writhe there."

The 10/27/94 Life In Hell strip featured Binky the Rabbit sitting at a computer as he reads the poster's rant about "Sideshow Bob Roberts" and remarking to himself "Why do I suddenly feel so refreshed?"[2]

fuckin' Anon Babbletards i swear

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alt.tv.simpsons had an infamous Anon Babble troll once who posted incoherent rants that Lisa was a proto-dyke Turkorussian Jew Marxist.

Never Understood this scene

They were there, they just didn't have tumblr blogs and twitch streams that made it easy for the rest of the world to see them.

This whole episode happened because someone at Fox legit suggested adding a new younger character.

After it aired, they never suggested it again.

It's actually good to make fun of people who hate your show and yet continue to watch every new episode year after year. I haven't seen a single new episode of The Simpsons in decades, I moved on.

You

Owe them the understanding that not everything they make is gonna be a hit, some episodes and even seasons are gonna be worse than others, and the notion you're willing to stick around a bit and hope things can get back on track or that some degree of lost quality can be found.

They

Owe you the understanding that you have no obligation to waste their time, audiences can be lost when quality deteriorates, if it sucks or lost its spark then people will talk about the deterioration in quality accordingly and there's no set amount of patience any audience member has to have for them, if they lose the audience its on them to win them back.

Writers do have obligations to the audience, yes.

This is just the problem with the post-2008 internet in general, it happened slowly and gradually but back then everyone fucked off to their corners, but there was always this goal of making one big everything sites where all these groups would intermingle and ironically, if you look at what a lot of philosophers of the late 90s were saying about where they saw the internet era going they basically nailed it.

The craziest and most sensational shit would take the center stage as everyone became more extreme and balkanized, allowing all the worst ideas to spread through like a cancer. Shit you'd only associate with like Anon Babble or wizardchan back in the day are re-packaged and re-sold to an entire fucking generation while Tumblrinas somehow whittled down particularly self-righteous and purity-spiraling approach to progressive politics and pushed it into the mainstream sphere of activism.
The more centralized the internet got, the more cancerous it became