just watched thunderbolt, so this guy is basically marvel's doctor Manhattan?
Just watched thunderbolt, so this guy is basically marvel's doctor Manhattan?
No, not really.
I don't know how they are going to play it in the movies, because I don't care to watch and because the character itself is very confusing on propose (you never quite know what's his delusion and what's real), but the basically:
Sentry was a drug addict that stole and consumed, supposedly, an experimental version of a Super Soldier serum and gaining reality warping powers. Marvel has had reality wrappers before, like Wanda for a well know example, and Sentry is top level on that. Originally he makes a whole persona of Super hero that everyone knew and loved, inserting himself in memories and constructing this Superman like character that everyone's best friend, but the issue is that he is extremely unstable and that is "Void".
Due to the way he changed people's memories and inserted himself, and how he deludes himself into things that, in a way, become reality, it's hard to know well what actually happen to him or why he became so powerful, but from time to time he will get involved on things and defeating him really is more a matter of psychologically taking him down than actually "beating him".
Excuse the typos and what not. I tend to write something, go back on it and change a few things, then forget to read what I wrote and make sure I didn't make some sentences into nonesese.
To be clear that pic related I sent is just one of many, many, different versions of his past that have been told. In some he is older.
He's Marvel's Miracle Man. But more than anything else, he's Sentry,.
this is the case for the MCU film, surprisingly they nailed him perfectly, as much as you can in an regular length film, he's a Heroin Addict who got super powers through dubious, vague means.
the real twist on Sentry/Bob/Void is that he was always going to get super powers, something about it is divinely ordained, maybe by Void/Sentry creating his own origin post-hoc.
Neither Void or Sentry are really the real him, and from time to time, they both can be aware of this, but just as quickly, become unaware.
no, he's Marvel's Miracle Man and Kid Miracle man, as one.
because I don't care to watch
Not OP, but I thought they did a decent job with the character. One of these days you can check it out if you're curious.
that's a good way of putting it I guess
At this point the Sentry is his own thing.
You CAN call him a parody of Superman, or a pastiche of Superman. But he's also an expy of Hourman, as Jenkin's original idea was supposed to be an Hourman story for DC. The serum origin makes him an evolution of Captain America, showing the extreme of turning one man into "something more". And I could go on.
his lack of any sort of superhero secret identity makes him a pretty poor pastaiche of Superman.
the fact he's also his own biggest supervillain rival and is a godly reality warper points to him being quite the composite pastiche character, he's one of the few well written "Godly" characters in Marvel, he could easily save the day in basically any storyline, but can't because of all his crippling problems.
sometimes he DOES though, like when he helped Rogue lift the Celestial, that was clutch as hell.
The Sentry is the original OC superhero. He has all the powers, and the only enemy strong enough to stand up to him is himself.
yes, that is the crux of his character, good job, retard.
the fact The Void exists, keeps him at stalemate most of the time, so he isn't really as overpowered as he is on paper, among other obvious weaknesses he has.
Not being like Clark Kent makes him a poor Superman copy
Retard
I believe The Void's true origin is the fact as a heroin addict, The Serum gave him a high that could never be matched, and he could also, never for the rest of time (literally, till the death of the universe) get high again, he's the "void" of his addiction as a concept, it can never be satiated for even a single second more.
his lack of any sort of superhero secret identity makes him a pretty poor pastaiche of Superman.
Age of Sentry did that well, when Robert Reynolds was portrayed as a Clark Kent type.
Its also why I see him as that pastiche: in the original miniseries, it is a secret identity. Except that its the reverse - The Sentry/Void is the hidden secret of Robert Reynolds. I vaguely remember it was knce mentioned that the original idea of Superman was a hero who pined for Lois Lane but could not express it as Clark Kent. I can see that echoed in Bob's love for his wife.
he has nothing in common with Kal-El/Superman/Clark Kent in any way.
he's a lowly drug addict and mentally ill from years of abuse and neglect from being a lowly drug addict, then made into the strongest character in the setting.
beyond having a fucking S on his chest he has nothing in common with SUperman other than being really strong, though none of his strength is technically pure strength, but warping reality to give it to him.
He's a caped ubermensch. That's enough to draw the comparison.
Multiple origins were presented in the second mini. It was purposefully ambiguous.
You are looking at the final picture and concept from a wiki, probably having never actually read anything of him, and coming to that conclusion.
The moment Sentry was introduced, as somebody pointed out in the firsts comment, he was pretty much Superman. In fact he was called a Superman expy by most readers before his identity got explained. He inserted himself as an older hero that everyone knew and was above most thing. A paragon of power that you could trust, his ideal form. And that was the "Superman" part of sentry. An ideal hero, not Superman as a person or Clark Kent, Superman as the symbolic character.
An aspect I always liked about Sentry is that the origin of his powers is more cryptic than it seems on the surface. The super soldier serum is the simple explanation, but the possibility that it all came from divine intervention, or that the Void is an ancient eldritch monster is also interesting. It also makes sense, given how he was originally conceived as a horror story and didn't become a superhero until later, when Jenkins pitched him as such.
I am sorry if you felt that you needed to make that clear, because I said basically that and obviously I wasn't clear enough myself .
I even said:
In the next post.
I didnt appreciate the Void until the film. There's so much uncertainty about it, is he a separate entity that the serum quantum spawned, does Bob have multiple personalities, is the Void more real than Sentry or could they even be separate or separated? Across multiple authors it's rather ambiguous. But the film really makes clear that the Void is Bob's negative emotions, it's the feeling of hopeless, worthless. It's the less, the lack. It's a void.
I always saw this potential in Bob, either for a movie or other self-contained story. The issue is that he's been used in a rather mediocre fashion in team books. Thunderbolts actually managed to pull him off in a team setting, where he gained from being in said team, rather than just being a deus ex machina that couldn't fit well with the rest.
There's a bunch of characters in Bob. You've got Superman, the Hulk, Moon Knight, Miracleman, Shazam, but ultimately he's his own thing.
That's the third golden-haired villain we've gotten in live action. Who's next?
No, he's Alan Moore's version of Miracleman
Not really a villain when your cast is a bunch of villains & anti-heroes.
I didnt appreciate the Void until the film. There's so much uncertainty about it, is he a separate entity that the serum quantum spawned, does Bob have multiple personalities, is the Void more real than Sentry or could they even be separate or separated? Across multiple authors it's rather ambiguous. But the film really makes clear that the Void is Bob's negative emotions, it's the feeling of hopeless, worthless. It's the less, the lack. It's a void.
They actually did a great job with the Sentry now people won't even treat him like Carol in the MCU. "Why wasn't the Sentry here to save the day." Most people will be asking why did you have the Sentry try to save the day.
rather than just being a deus ex machina that couldn't fit well with the rest
That's how he was here too. That's why the action in the 3rd act was so bad, since it went from being a Thunderbolts movie to just a Sentry movie where the Thunderbolts are only there to give Sentry a hug because daddy hit him when he was 5
I didn't find his interactions with the team very good either, I just don't like the babyish "humor" every mcu flick has like the climbing up the shaft scene where they all act like 13 year olds and do random quirk-chungus shit no adult acts like
He is still weaker than osterman and Wally West with osterman's powers
you're looking at the concept probably from a wiki and not the actual execution as it happened
the fact he used to be a drug addict is only brought up once (1 time) in his entire history after getting his powers, and that's when Osborn had to resupply him serum to keep his powers up.
This only happened once and then never again, because it got retconned so his powers are always there forever and aren't a drug. drug addiction was never a part of his present personality.
The Void isn't mental illness either, it's just a le bad and dark entity that is never explained, or was alluded to be a cosmic being. Sentry as a whole isn't mentally ill, when he gets mad it's because of very ordinary shit you would get mad about, like Osborn murdering his wife.
I don't disagree the concept of a drug-addict superhero who has superpowers as their drug would be interesting, and it's what Sentry could have been, but that's just not what Sentry is.
Sentry is evil Superman.
Is it worth watching in the theatre or should I wait for home release?
home release
The MCU nails this
Sentry is evil Superman.
Nah; Sentry is a lot of thing, and it does have some Superman in there on propose, but "Evil superman" is real reaction of the character.
Here is a good point of Sentry's relation to superman.
Once evil, he is not "Evil Superman" because his powers are nothing like Superman, they are reality warping applied originally by him to make him into a Superman like character, while trying to be a hero.
I am not watching that shit Shillanon, don't even bother.
There's a bunch of characters in Bob. You've got Superman, the Hulk, Moon Knight, Miracleman, Shazam
And he's not as good as any of them.
That's not the point nor what anon was talking about, retard
I always had such a hard-on for the coolness and potential of Marvel Superman that it was hard for me to accept the nuance the Void presents.
why is one of his nips out?
It seems in MCU they rolled with mostly emotional angle (Sentry is him when he has good mood and is confident, Void is when he becomes depressed).
Hopefully they wont stop at that simplicity in the next movies.
Anyway, if Yelena is going to be his friend, sister or love interest, i hope they will tackle the neverending circle of chronic depression that will never stop and will consume a lot of her energy and will to be there for him.
Also i hope the peak of his development as a character would be exactly personal, as him realizing he cant only be the void that consumes other people's energy, but has to learn to generate and share his own with Yelena and other characters as well, in spite of depression cycle.
Otherwise he will lose both her and other partners, sooner or later.
There's also a bit of Miracleman in there, too
a lot more than a bit. bob/mick has a standard comic book origin that eventually gets revealed to be a lot darker, they're both heroes that were forgotten by the public, kid miracleman/void only comes back when bob/mick becomes a hero again, their suits have the same color scheme but in different proportions,
He's a pastiche character, drawing much from Miracleman, and playing with Superman tropes like saying he once tried to use glasses to disguise himself. But when an alternate timeline Luke Cage got his powers (along with Hulk's and Iron Fist's) and got his body almost completely destroyed being sent to the present Marvel Universe before recreating himself, the writers compared him to Doctor Manhattan in an interview.
Also that origin (scientist chooses him to drink magic science elixir) is actually Miracleman’s exact same origin (well, from the 50s fake world). The druggy thief bit is just put there to show it’s an “evil real life” version of drinking the potion
Another way they’re similar then, in both cases that was a fake memory