Are you ready to witness the end of all catoon focused channels?

are you ready to witness the end of all catoon focused channels?

Why the fuck cant streaming pick up more cartoons if cable wont?

Coincidentally Zaslav also said that Max in the non animation sectors is doing fine so this might be why Discovery wants to sell again.

kill this fucking industry.
hurry up
vacate the market so artists with passion can take over again.

make shitty decisions for 25 years

muh zaslav!!!!

nigga.

Licensing. Tubi does gobble up what cartoons it can, but there are quite a few that they can't get the licenses for (Classic Looney Tunes, all the old CN shows that Zaslav eliminated from Max) because WB are faggots.

Kids don't watch TV anymore gramps. This is inevitable.

Because there's no money in streaming. Let me explain how it works

Cable

you have a timeslot where X number of people watch, advertiser thinks X is a good enough number for Y price for their ads, the higher X is then the higher Y is, more eyeballs = more money

streaming

you pay streaming service Z for your subscription tier, this subscription tier may or may not include ads, streaming service does not release any information publicly about X number of people watching unless X is good, advertiser doesn't want to pay too much since they have little information and their ad is likely not to be paid attention to anyway, most people do not pay Z and instead pirate, most streaming shows are not very good and are intended to be something you put on while doing the laundry, nobody cares about your show after a week, best case scenario nobody cares after a month

Streaming killed Hollywood.

I have MeTV Toons so I don't give a shit what happens to Cartoon Network lol

destroyed an entire cartoon empire

kneel

the only good things to come out of this company animation wise in 15 years is smiling friends and bushworld adventures. deserved. sell smiling friends to a company that cares.

Wait, but that would imply Warner's only profitable revenue stream was their animated stuff.
Weren't they basically dominating the TV scene with HBO and the movie scene with tons of horror and action movies until the MARVEL and Blockbuster era?

I genuinely would not know how to react if I suddenly see a big ol' "your channel provider no longer has this network listed" for Cartoon fucking Network

I wodner if nickelodeon will go the same way.
Here's teh article anyways:

Cartoon Network’s Last Gasp

The irreverent animation factory once cranked out hits, talent and profits. But with David Zaslav’s retreat from streaming kids programming, the future of the network is in question.

By Felix Gillette
May 13, 2025 at 8:00 AM GMT-3

One night in August, a group of animators headed out on foot through the streets of Burbank, California, cloaked in Mission: Impossible-style black outfits. At about 10 p.m., the crew arrived at its destination, a deserted office disconcertingly close to the neighborhood police station. For decades, the building had served as the bustling studio of Cartoon Network, which, like much of the cable universe, has fallen on challenging times. Until recently, the facility was a place where young animators daydreamed of launching their creations into the world. Now it sat empty and foreboding—another reminder of the grisly cost cuts that had been sweeping through Cartoon Network’s parent company, Warner Bros.

On the sidewalk outside, the animators hurriedly set up a generator, a projector and a laptop outfitted with video-loop software, and hit play. For the next several minutes, an animated vignette played on repeat across the building’s facade: A large disembodied hand clutching a pencil rubs out “Cartoon Network” from the top of the building, then tries to erase a nearby worker, who scampers for safety. After a brief pursuit, a pack of colleagues band together and collectively shove away the menacing pencil pusher. The film ends with an unsubtle message: “Dear studios: Don’t erase animation jobs!”

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The group circulated the video online, adding to an expanding body of work bemoaning the state of the US animation industry, where concerns about unemployment are high, new series scarce, overseas outsourcing rampant and anxiety over artificial intelligence widespread. Among online commentators, much of the resulting ire has been directed at David Zaslav, the chief executive officer at Warner Bros. Discovery Inc., who’s emerged as a frequent target in Hollywood since orchestrating the stormy 2022 merger of WarnerMedia with Discovery Inc. Discovery was best known for low-cost reality-TV and crime shows—and not known at all for animation.

On Zaslav’s watch, sweeping cuts have roiled the combined company’s animation assets. Beyond the shuttering of the old Cartoon Network studios, Warner Bros. has backed out of theatrically distributing several almost-completed animated movies, including Fixed, a feature from revered cartoon auteur Genndy Tartakovsky (since picked up by Netflix); it pulled the plug on the Boomerang network’s standalone animation streaming service; it closed Rooster Teeth, a subsidiary in Austin that made several popular animated web series; and it removed numerous animated movies, classic Looney Tunes shows and Cartoon Network programs from the company’s streaming service, Max. Somewhere amid the changes, #RIPCartoonNetwork started trending on X while animation fans circulated the hashtag #FireDavidZaslav on YouTube. “Discovery came in, and it went downhill fast,” says Robert Alvarez, a retired animator who worked on popular Cartoon Network shows from the mid-’90s until 2023.

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In August, Warner Bros. announced it was taking a $9.1 billion charge, writing down the value of its traditional TV networks, which include, along with the Discovery Channel and Cartoon Network, the Food Network, TBS and TNT. Warner Bros. doesn’t break out the individual financial performance of each channel, but Cartoon Network’s struggles have certainly contributed to the downturn. According to estimates from S&P Global Market Intelligence, the annual advertising revenue for Cartoon Network and Adult Swim, its spinoff animation brand for grown-ups, plummeted from $668.3 million in 2014 to $133.7 million last year.

The viability of the Cartoon Network brand in streaming doesn’t look much more promising. A few years ago, network executives were touting Max as the next natural step in Cartoon Network’s evolution. But since its debut five years ago, a string of programming misfires and increased competition from YouTube have meant that Max has largely failed to emerge as a go-to destination for young viewers. According to data from PreciseTV, a video advertising firm, only 13% of 10- to 12-year-old viewers have recently watched programming on Max, versus 32% for Hulu, 57% for Disney+ and 72% for Netflix. Among preschool audiences, the numbers for Max are even worse. The company recently decided that children’s programming is no longer a core part of Max’s strategy, further clouding Cartoon Network’s prospects.

Max Has Lost the Kids

Share of children that binge-watch the following

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Cartoon Network’s struggles have been playing out at a time when animation at large has arguably never been more popular. From Dog Man and Inside Out 2 to The Super Mario Bros. Movie, animated features continue to rule the box office. Bluey—a cartoon series from Australia that Cartoon Network executives once unsuccessfully sought to license—has been a huge hit for Disney+. And animated shows such as Peppa Pig and CoComelon regularly attract big audiences of youngsters on Netflix. The global anime market is projected to grow from $34.2 billion in 2024 to $60.1 billion by 2030, according to research by Jefferies Financial Group Inc. Surely, many animation fans still hope, there is room for the Cartoon Network brand to flourish once again.

Vanessa Brookman, a Warner Bros. executive in London who manages the brand abroad, says that the network has a strong, growing presence overseas and that the company is “dialing up” its investment in Adult Swim’s older-skewing shows, which jibe better with Max’s current strategy. (Both Zaslav and Sam Register, the head of Warner Bros. Animation, who now oversees Cartoon Network Studios and its diminished output of shows, declined to speak to Bloomberg Businessweek.) Brookman attributes the online uproar over the cutbacks at Cartoon Network to pent-up nostalgia for the time when it was first emerging as an engine of cutting-edge animation on par with the most esteemed anime shops in Japan. She says she’s optimistic about the network’s current direction. “It’s not maybe how the fans remember it,” the executive says. “But it’s not dead.”

rest of the article seems to just rundown the creation of cartoon network and history

Max between two literal who streamers when it comes to kid viewership

Holy fucking shit

yup. the old grift was a product of the limitations of sharing media. only so many slots on so many channels. just like it took industrial machinery to dostribute music.
then the information age took away their excuse.

there's more to it but the article is legit just too lenghty to keep posting.

you guys can use bypass paywall extensions on the bloomberg site or i can archive it somewhere if you want

I'm ready for all TV to die. I've been ready for years.

it has never been cheaper or easier to produce animation. dudes with passion did it the hard way in their garages and basements and built empires.

it has never been cheaper or easier to produce animation.

cool so where's your cartoon.

Le passion

Total meme

I'd make one but troons on Twitter would try to cancel me

cope.

It what happens when you ride shit like TTGo all day and not show anything else, thank god for burned media.

B-b-b-but vailstickinmybum said in his crappy overly desperate voice that they confirmed a massive comeback and cooking cuz of a convention panel and Rebecca Sugar's ugly-ass face showing up there...stupid youtuber lied to me?

An episode of Lackadaisy costs 250k to produce

TV won't last another 20 years besides public networks.

I really don't know how many more times this needs to be repeated before it sinks in
It's not quality, it's not shifting demographics, it's not girl cooties, it's a massive loss of revenue from tv advertising that can't be replaced.

I don't see any point in getting cable
I get nick for free

Unless they become on-demand channels.

the new stuff isnt even worth pirating

true

The only places with Cable still are nursing homes

I gonna kill these Five Apostles

if they want as wide of a platform as possible so they can bait people into buying merch, why not just upload their shit on youtube?

Guts…

they do have youtube channels and some times stream their series but it is not often.

innefficiencies in the supply chain were their salaries and bonuses. streamlining he process cuts them out. the "they" we're worried about are parasites who contribute nothing but make all the decisions

Because then you're trusting Youtube to put it in front of eyeballs and they may decide to shadowban it for no reason, see Punch Punch Forever.

I don't understand how TV and cable are still a thing. It's like landlines at homes. It's becoming a novelty to even see these things anymore.

I'm increasingly questioning it myself and I'm basically paying 100 dollars a month to watch live news and sportsball.

Nsh it'll be just anime but without blood or large boobs

advertising revenue

So.... the money they made purely from advertising? How much of their total revenue is that?

perfect analogy and I agree

it's literally like landlines at home
because the physical wires are still there.

youtube.com/watch?v=OO-QCjpXdfo

For an all-at-once show, yeah. A weekly show artificially holds an audience longer. Look how popular Smiling Friends got on Max for like 4 weeks. If season two dropped all in a day, it would have blipped on the top ten and then gone away.

To add to your point, streaming also kills reruns which was a great way to generate as revenue without having to produce new content. But streaming audiences want "new new new, now now now."

x.com/NasTopp18/status/1905374766564856163

Not so fast

blaming TTG

It did nothing wrong

i hate this cartoon

fire Lazzo

frontload everything with reruns

can every new show except Rick and Morty

bandwagon political trends when no one asked

...

lose 90% of revenue

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Pluto tv?

The lesson to learn from this is Mike Lazzo was right and they're taking the hit by not listening. They could have been so far ahead of everyone else with the Streams slowly becoming Adult Swim and generating direct ad revenue without having to payout to TV providers. Mind you, so much Adult Swim content was made before streaming so it pays no royalties except for TV and DVD. It would be cheaper to give their shows away than to paywall them with cable and streaming apps. With proper commercialization and promotion, Adult Swim could've extended their influence far past the Millennials into the future. But Warner Brothers made Lazzo retire because they didn't like what he had to say to them, killed the streams, and now sound in danger of axing the entire channel.

I don't understand how TV and cable are still a thing

The answer is sports packages.

There's a reason why the NBA is dumping TNT.

Why can't they just make streaming illegal if it's ruining the entertainment industry?

I agree, kids today don't learn to pirate because they're too coddled by streaming. We need to bring back traditional values like online piracy so children learn how to be self-sufficient.

TNT doesn't want them because they're an adult daycare with mandatory LeBron ballwashing

Streaming has never been profitable. Every streaming service has just been hoping to make a profit, but never does. That's why ads were always going to come back, no matter what.

TTG hates continue to seethe

the end of all catoon focused channels

Streaming is murdering most cable networks for the same reason, OP

It's the parents dumping them in front of youtube brainrot because it's free and endless

Kys retard

Streaming only worked when it was essentially a modified limb of the rental business, as in, when Netflix was the only serious game in town. It benefitted everyone. When your stuff went onto DVD, you also sold the streaming rights to Netflix. Everyone was happy and everyone was making money. But, all the networks and studios said "We want what Netflix has." Not realizing that Netflix was only ever a good deal because you could be reasonably confident it had everything you might want to watch on it. When every network has their own streaming service, it's just like cable, but worse. Viewers will have exactly one thing they want to watch, watch it, then cancel their subscription. Then when the next thing comes around they'll resubscribe at the discounted rate instead of paying the full price, for exactly one month, to watch the next thing.

It doesn't help that development cycles are so long now that years long projects will draw the majority of their viewership all at once, then have absolutely no tail.

I would argue streaming was always a trap. What actually works is online retail becoming a replacement for physical DVDs/CDs. As much as the music industry complains about piracy, their bottom line was never once in danger and zero record companies have gone out of business or even been in danger of doing so. Why? Because despite the bitching about Napster, iTunes got everyone used to the simple practice of "song comes out, I buy on iTunes, I own 'forever'". Yes, we've seen spotify replace that somewhat, but most of the revenue still comes from people who actually buy things. Streaming movies and television shows just teaches people to pirate, and actively discourages purchasing.

Scott Pilgrim is an amazing comic, Alan Moore and Joss Whedon is an talentless hack, Hellboy is overrated, John K. is a garbage human being who was never funny or creative, Big Bang Theory is a love letter to geek culture and absolutely hilarious, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, Owl House, Rick and Morty, and MLP:FIM are the best cartoons ever made, Seth MacFarlane, Craig McCracken and Alex Hirsch are geniuses, Tara Strong and Tom Kenny are overused voice actors, Ctrl+Alt+Del, Homestuck and Zoophobia are the pinnacle of webcomics, CalArts is a great school that has given us some of animation's best talent, the Marvel Cinematic Universe are the greatest film franchise in history, Inside Out 2 is the best animated movie of 2025, if not the decade, Manga will always be superior than western comics Disney does not have a monopoly on the industry nor are they bribing critics, The Last Jedi and Infinity War were fucking awesome, Hazbin Hotel, Digital Circus, Homestar Runner and Skibidi Toilet are the pinnacle of Webshows, Fanboy and ChumChum, Teen Titans Go, Ren & Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon, Johnny Test, Sanjay and Craig, Uncle Grandpa and Breadwinners are just shows hated by autistic cartoon reviewers, She-Ra does not look like a man, Thundercats was a shit cartoon created only to sell toys to braindead children, Adventure Time, Star VS. The Forces of Evil, Gravity Falls, and Samurai Jack had great finales, Andrew Dobson did nothing wrong, women are funny, the LGBTQ community deserves to have its voice heard, racism and sexual harassment are bad, the drawfags deserve so much better, Anon Babble ruined this board and all the others, and this board's complete and utter lack of human compassion is eventually going to bite you fuckfaces in the ass HARD. That is all

This makes sense, advertising in general is kind of dying, it's all being replaced by AI-generated garbage on streaming and general trash on cable, which is also dying.

Shut up, tranny.

most people do not pay Z and instead pirate

where does this meme come from? I've never seen a normie that knows how to torrent or download movies (possibly out of fear of getting a virus)

You're right that 'most' normies don't know how to pirate, but GoT for example was the most pirated show during its runtime. Enough normies do pirate for it to be a problem, even if grandma doesn't know how.

streaming service does not release any information publicly about X number of people watching unless X is good

Ironically, the one streaming service that does regularly release info publicly about the number of viewers for their shows is the one that's doing the best.
They even have an entire publicly-available website for it and release semiannual breakdowns of viewership for their shows.
netflix.com/tudum/top10

Streaming has never been profitable

It was for like less than a year back when Hulu first launched, but then the 2008 Writers Strike happened and suddenly every episode streamed means paying writers royalties. Hulu had literally every episode of the Simpsons on it before that happened.

Imagine arguing for a monopoly and your basis for it is "free trials exists". Netflix was a middle man, a parasite on the people who actually made the shows, except the shows they were making inhouse, and what made them different was that they took chances with smaller creators and new series, creating things people wanted to watch while all the studios sandbagged on sequels and reboots. 10$ a month was never sustainable, it was much cheaper than cable and banked on there being imaginary millions more internet users who will pay. But they don't pay, and with less revenue the number of shows just contracts.

I guess things have changed then. Last I heard streaming services, or maybe just certain ones like Disney+, didn't release numbers.
Either way, it's depending on the streaming service to be honest and not lie; which they probably are even if the numbers are genuinely good.

I never said it was good, I just said the business model doesn't fucking work at all unless there is a monopoly. It requires a monopoly to be profitable, or else the value proposition to the consumer for each service falls logistically in accordance with the number of services which exist.
People only kept their Netflix subscriptions up because they knew there'd be something worth watching all the time. Now, they know there's only one thing on each service that they actually care about, and they're not paying for all of them, so they either pick and choose, or just fucking pirate everything so they don't have to deal with switching back and forth.

fucking tired of the "le passion" argument, you brainrotten freaks only want ren & stimpy clones. go watch nu spongebob if you fags only want le wacky cartoon faces and screaming with no charm or substance.

Nu spongebob is unironically good, go fuck yourself

A shocking amount of infrastructure still relies on the telephone lines, anon

Streaming doesn't work without a monopoly.
I know people don't want to admit it, but no one wants to pay $10-$20 for 20 different streaming services, so either you have a monopoly or you just have lots of piracy.

It just boggles my mind how CN doubled down on this very clearly retarded strategy of airing one show endlessly. It was the most half assed way of making up for the rise of cord cutting. What was their endgame here?

didnt it work for nickelodeon?

nice mind reading faggot. tell me about more of my opinions.
the entertainment undustry ditched creatives. everyone who wanted to create and had ideas they cared about.
real men produced animations with no budget and no salaries in their spare time. thats what passion is. shove whatever hallmark card definition you think you're responding to and shove it in your neovagina.

to make as much money as possible before bailing

No, it didn't.

It's a deathspiral of

we're losing money

go all in on known moneymaking IP

we're still losing money

cut funding to everything except moneymaker

we're STILL losing money

24/7 marathons of known moneymaker

nobody is watching, they'd rather watch a head in a toilet

I did all I could...

every week these people get pay checks

oh definitely

Worse, they get fired and then go do the same thing at another company.

No, their ratings also went down the toilet because of Spongebob, starting in 2011. Spongebob reruns used to be able to get as high as 4 million viewers.

Normies consider going on 123movies "pirating

torrent

Are you 40?
Search for “ watch ____ free” . That’s it
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but the quality set as good as my 25 gb rip!

Almost no one cares.

And nothing of Value was lost

nobody is watching, they'd rather watch a head in a toilet

Streaming site gets shut down

And just like that, you're stuck on Anon Babble begging for a mega like the retard you are.

I can vouch for this. In high school, my normie classmates loved using 123movies and other sites like it for watching shows. While normies aren't as quick to pirate, they aren't exactly against it either.

How is Max doing as a service?

You're arguing that it's only stable with a monopoly, but the monopoly itself was not stable as the studios just went ahead and made their competing platforms taking users. You're not going to just sit around and watch someone price dump 10$ per DVD/ticket to 10$ per catalog. Netflix came out the door with a sub-profitable pricing and the studios followed their game for a race to the bottom instead of reiterating the value of shows as a premium product with production costs to match.

If you accept the value proposition Netflix gives out, you are even more responsible for the death of cartoons than the studios because you have accepted a future where there will never be enough revenue to fund new shows including animation.

HBO was better off as a premium subscription service, as a streaming service it's just retarded.

If you accept the value proposition Netflix gives out, you are even more responsible for the death of cartoons

Considering the cartoons we've been getting for the last decade or so, I'm not too bothered by that.
Therein lies the real issue, none of this would have happened if the content was still good and people felt comfortable paying for cable, but it wasn't, so they didn't.
When you make dogshit content for a decade and then someone else offers a cheaper service with similar content, you kind of lose the right to bitch when everyone moves over to that cheaper service.

Cartoon Network’s struggles have been playing out at a time when animation at large has arguably never been more popular. From Dog Man and Inside Out 2 to The Super Mario Bros. Movie, animated features continue to rule the box office. Bluey—a cartoon series from Australia that Cartoon Network executives once unsuccessfully sought to license—has been a huge hit for Disney+. And animated shows such as Peppa Pig and CoComelon regularly attract big audiences of youngsters on Netflix. The global anime market is projected to grow from $34.2 billion in 2024 to $60.1 billion by 2030

And that's CN's main problem, The Competition (SpongeBob, Preschool shows and anime) do what they tried to do better

the ost that plays in my head when i go to wco.tv to commit the crime of piracy.

youtu.be/pWO718iy5mY

Winny the poh killed great venerable Fang Yuan, I will never forgive him.

I don't accept the value proposition Netflix gives. It sucks and it always did. When it was a substitute for renting DVDs, that was fine, because you could also just go to the store and buy the DVDs. Now that everyone's trying to make it the main vector for the stuff they release, it doesn't work.
I don't think there would have been as much of a problem if DVDs stuck around and you could subscribe to WB's service to rent their whole DVD catalogue, or Paramount's, or Sony's or anyone else's.

The problem is that the industry expects people to gladly pay a regular subscription for something that's intentionally incomplete and only offers new material in fits and starts. They're all struggling because there's a good chance that something these companies own just isn't carried by their own service and you can't get it legally anymore.

A lot of what HBO Max offered at first was enticing because it carried much of WB's back catalogue, with an implied promise of more to come. But they took that away. Why wouldn't you just pirate everything you want just to make sure you'd have access to it in the future? Pirating has replaced the reason you used to buy DVDs. And if you have to pirate it anyway to be assured you'll have it, why pay for the service in the first place?

This is exactly the same nonsense that happens when companies get bought out and gutted for short term value. David Zaslav bought WB to gut its assets, sell off the IPs to the highest bidder, and keep anything he considers valuable to the company's "real focus," while cutting down costs massively.

who even thought streaming was a good idea? tech bros?? they are always at the scene of the crime

How it started was

Netflix became mail-order blockbuster

Netflix started offering streaming, but it was other people's movies and shows

Netflix started producing their own shows

Everyone thought "I want to be Netflix! Where is my version of Netflix?!"

Netflix lost a bunch of other people's movies and shows, but still had Stranger Things and whatever by this point so whatever

Disney+, Paramount+, and HBOMax all bellyflop because nobody wants to pay for a billion subscription services

Covid hit and movie theaters lost all relevance

now everyone is losing money and Hollywood is fucked

Furshit

also the act of going to a store to rent a dvd was so much fun, you get to see what else is there and you feel the value and journey of doing that.

I like the convenience of streaming but if its killing the things I enjoy, then I'm ok with relying on cable again

It used to be more fun, but stopped being fun around the 00's. I used to love browsing new horror b-movies but then they just stop being made and it ceased to be fun.

one thing I do disagree on is movie theaters losing relevance, look at a recent example inside out 2, it made 1.7 billion dollars.

Movie theaters got it, but hollywood studios need to start making good films. the reason hollywood is failing is because of hollywood

yeah thats the issue, so many good movies in different genres stopped being made. the dvd rent store and movie theatres rely on studios to stay alive, as they are their suppliers

why isnt our money maker making money?? people like this show right? so lets give it to them 24/7

Imagine eating ice cream for every meal.
dumb rich nepo execs with cocaine filled brains, its a miracle if they can think of one coherent sentence.

Netflix started it to reduce some of the logistical load on their mail-order business, and around the same time Fox and NBC realized "Oh shit, people are uploading our content to Youtube for free. We need to target that demand" and established Hulu. (As a free, ad-supported service)
Eventually, the DVD business lost out to the streaming side of Netflix out of convenience, which is when they tried to spin the DVD business off as Quickster so they could focus exclusively on streaming.

That's when Netflix hit its peak, and they started releasing original content, beginning with House of Cards. Having original content on Netflix tipped the value proposition permanently away from DVDs, and the other brands panicked and started making moves to take a piece of that pie. It took years, massive investment and some false starts but they managed it, one by one. But now the market's oversaturated, and consumers are about as inconvenienced as they've ever been, and the math doesn't work out for the companies making the content anymore. They can't make money because Netflix only succeeded by basically being a giant, paid hub for DVD rips that had absolutely everything on it. No one maintains their subscriptions anymore, because there's only one thing that takes their attention for two or three days every few months at best. At Netflix's peak, people would stay subscribed indefinitely because they could always find something to watch, and didn't feel any time pressure to watch everything they wanted as soon as possible, lest it be taken away before they got the chance.

That can't happen the way things are now. That's not pro monopoly, that's just the natural flaw in the business model.

Is Netflix just lying when they say that so-and-so is a big hit or when they openly shrug off massive failures like Electric State?

I mean, I feel like I saw Stranger Things at Denny's or Domino's or something not too long ago, so there must be some success somewhere with them. It can't all just be burning money or laundering schemes. They crank out a documentary every thirty minutes, there must be a market.

This is a model that can't really be produced in a corporate setting. Frederator tried doing traditional studio animation on YouTube, but the ad-revenue wasn't there to compensate for the kind of overhead a real company has. Maybe if they had something that went comically viral like that, but how many shows do?

Among other things, Glitch Productions is more of a virtual studio than a real one with a proper HQ. The voice actors aren't unionized and I doubt the crew is. This is not comparable to WBD owning a studio in LA and hiring TAG and SAG members.

Union and SAG will 100% be Glitch's downfall.

but the ad-revenue wasn't there to compensate for the kind of overhead a real company has.

That was before YouTube directly paid creators in addition to ads and even then current youtubers get most of their pay from sponsor ad money

Youtubers don't make any money at all now. Corporations who claim copyright on a picosecond of music do. That's why indie shows are all about merch, that's how they actually make money.

I think it's a good thing when companies are willing to shrug off failures rather than start unplugging shit at random to mitigate the damage. A lot of the time, one big failure will result in completely unrelated projects getting cut just to cut costs and salvage investor confidence.

go watch nu spongebob if you fags only want le wacky cartoon faces and screaming with no charm or substance

Has it occurred to you that you can have good writing AND good animation? Not my fault that the only show with good animation right now doesn't have good writing.

Cheaper episodic comedy show that can be spammed all day and get enough people to watch that will satisfy advertisers. Instead of investing in several different shows, just spam one and get enough money to coast through. But TV is dying.

Ready? I've been waiting for this moment.

It's better than the middle seasons, but the pacing and tone are still way off, and the characters are still flanderized. A Fish Named Sandy was a good sign they could still capture the original tone if they wanted to, but just don't, for some reason.

And to my knowledge, the reason Spongebob shifted so much in tone in the first place was due to a change in how the episodes were storyboarded. In the early seasons, the final storyboard that went to the animators was usually more or less what they actually wanted the finished scene to look like. Whereas later, the storyboards usually consisted of doodles that laid out the general concept and left the animators very little to work with, meaning lot of those quirks made it through to the final product.

A Fish Named Sandy was a good sign they could still capture the original tone if they wanted to, but just don't, for some reason.

The only reason A Fish Named Sandy exists is because the artists are allowed to do whatever they want.

I said that. They could if they wanted to, but they just don't. I have no clue why. Maybe the positive response they've gotten will make them choose to see how far it goes.

It's not about quality, it's about ownership ya durn whippersnappers. Why in my day we didn't even have fancy torrent clients, each torrent had to be opened as a separate file and the traffic had to go through the landline phone both ways in the snow but by the end by golly we got to keep our files I tell ya what. I been around this 'net for a while and I seen the websites come and go, don'cha know. What's here today ain't around forever, save it while it's still here.

streaming service does not release any information publicly about X number of people watching

I don't understand why this is legal. It seems like this only serves to give streaming services and studios a way to mislead their investors and subscribers oh that probably is why.