Was he faking it?
Was he faking it?
Not at all
He still didn't apologize though
He deserves a terrible future
Cartman pulling the longest con to fuck someone over is very in character but this seemed pretty genuine.
I can perfectly see him doing so, yes. You underestimate his level of dedication.
This isn't even the first time Cartman turned good, it's just that the town of South Park is a bad influence on him
Thing is it feels like a pre-Scott Tenorman era joke. Before that episode, the whole joke with Cartman was "hey, we always portray kids as well meaning but mischievous, but let's be honest they're typically little fucking monsters."
The idea that he turned out to be the loving and caring family man of the four would have worked well.
After Scott Tenorman episode establishes him as an actual sociopath that kinda changed a bit.
Often forgotten is that pre-season BLAU Cartman was the kid who got who picked on by Stan and Kyle and he lashes out in anger. He was moral enough to help out Shelly when she was getting groomed by Skylar and was has been kind and humane to animald
With Scott Tenorman and all I feel like we often overlook the fact that the entire town was essentially running a psy op on him. And later on it's bizarre to pretend that everyone else does get up to equally coked up shit on the regular but then againa huge thing with shows like SP and family guy is that continuity only ever seems to matter if it benefits the current mouthpiece of the episode anyway.
That was sure there would be a scene where Cartman explains that the Jewish sex talk was actually because his wife wants him to do that.
I remember fake screenshots being posted on Anon Babble: Cartman grew up to be a square-jawed chad, and Kyle is his gay lover. I wonder if the show's staff was behind that. It's hard to imagine anons caring about the modern South Park so much they'd actually create fake frames.
You're both missing a consistent point.
Part of what happened is that Liane was retconned.
You look into the original seasons and there's a consistent implication that Cartman is a direct result of her influence not just in him being spoiled but in terms of his racism and such being opinions that he copied from her.
As the series went on this was changed to portray her as more of a victim within their dynamic.
I think the real issue with Cartman is that yes, we are now at the point where Stan and Kyle have done equally reprehensible things like the nuking of Canada which has inadvertently balanced Cartman out to what he originally was, a spoiled and bratty child rather than the local sociopath.
All this episode has proven, is that no matter how much Cartman turns his life around, he will always be fat.
The KFC and Cheesy Poofs are just too tempting
This episode made me hate Lianne more than I can hate Cartman
It's actually hard to believe some people still think he was faking.
The first part is designed around making you question what kind of a fucking ruse cruise this is but the love for his family is still there even when his typical traits start resurfacing.
With the stuff that came out after this and the one from 2020 with mickey mouse, do you think Matt and trey have any regrets?
the writers were faking it
bunch of hacks
Don't need regrets. They have money and fame
Meh. This is a weird problem I've noticed.
It's basically common knowledge that kids with like, coddling/ helicoptering moms tend to grow up having things about as bad as any abused child. Hell, we've pretty much reached the consensus that this type of mother usually puts her own desire to feel needed and wanted over the child's wellbeing. It's widely accepted this kind of parenting is basically psychological conditioning to keep the kid overdependent on her into adulthood.
It's even commonly accepted that this type of mother is prone to deliberately undercutting the kid (if they have some kind of diagnosis like autism or ADHD you can be sure the mother will constantly remind them of it to reaffirm her own savior complex).
Yet whenever this kind of mom is portrayed in popular media, it's total fucking kiddie gloves half the time, she "cared too much", she was "too loving."
This episode was basically one of the few times this kind of mother had the actual psychology of it all on display and yet the notion was that she's the larger victim of the dynamic.
God, I know he's a piece of shit but I just felt bad for him at the end
He probably only joined post O7 because he hates Arabs more
It was the Ipad episode that totally changed what was going on with Cartman and his mom. Then the Dog Whisperer episode kept that up.
It's all a result of the tendency of shows to lazily turn their comic relief mascot merchandise sellers into omnipotent chaos gods. Cartman loses his character as the absurdity of his actions ramps up, and also how everyone around him acts like it's just business as usual. The later episodes try to reel him in at least, but why worry about that when you can watch Tegridy Farms for 5 straight seasons.
Dog Whisperer was 5 seasons prior to iPad
Yes
you really think that Cartman would go though a decades-long plan just to--
Yes. Yes he would.
No, the ultimate joke is that in "the bad future" only Cartman has a happy life, whereas in "the good future" Cartman gets what he deserves.
Trey Parker has this bad habit of making the character who doesn't deserve it to either lose or win exactly when he shouldn't. Because that's how South Park is written; every kid is a villain protagonist. Take the Trent Boyett episode for instance... the boys are absolutely in the wrong yet they still win in the end. So naturally Trey "sometimes" falls into this pitfall where he accidentally fucks up what's deserved and what isn't.
For example before this special I distinctly remember 2 instances of both Kyle & Cartman where you want them to win, but both lose.
Kyle loses in the Imagination Land episode when Cartman won't fuck off and creates this distracting sideplot where he constantly acts as this obstacle villain that gets in the way of the main plot. Kyle even exclaiming "Hey I want to see the "main plot", too". Everyone & Cartman: not before you honor your bullshit deal with me and suck my cock.
Basically Cartman takes on the role of a nanny police like Koichi Zenigata, where you hate the police and want the thief to win. But illogically Parker makes the cop win despite setting him up as an annoying obstacle villain.
Same deal in the Cartman trying to take down Family Guy episode, that one really stands out because it's clear Parker changed his mind like he always does during the middle of the episode.
Cartman for no good reason invites Kyle thinking he'll help him destroy Family Guy without actually telling him his intention.
The whole episode and narrative and context is setup that Family Guy is in the wrong and Cartman is in the wrong. Yet for some retarded reason Kyle takes Family Guy's part, actively turning him into a nanny police role and an obstacle of reaching the main goal of stopping Family Guy.
Instead of narratively and emotionally making the audience/Cartman win instead for some ungodly reason Family Guy/Kyle wins. It feels really out of place for Kyle to side with Family Guy too.
no, my reasoning is that at the end he actually fought back instead of crumbling like he always did
I like to believe it started out that way, but he committed to the bit for so long it stopped being a bit.
Those 2 episodes weren't even during 2014s when you expected it.
This was really out of the left field because we haven't yet reached the 2010s era of "WE DINDU MUFFIN" with 2014's Maleficient being the peak where the most despicable villains and special eds were pardoned for their misdeeds, imbecility, low appeal, pretending not even the "ends justify the means" but something even more retarded "the motivation justifies the means and the poor end" , this isn't like the usual "the villain has a change of heart" Grinch story which is narratively logical, this is the illogical "the undeserving bad guy wins because he has a Doofenshmirtz sob story showing off how special snowflake and manipulative the generation had become back in the 2010s
In 2015+ you already expected a shitbag SJW Poochie like PoliticallyCorrect Principal to win and even stay as a character because that's what the retarded generation was pushing for and 2014's Maleficient popularized. I still can't stand that douchebag Poochie. He makes Scrappy Doo look good. Luckily he's still a background/side character like Principal Victoria instead of ... Tegridy Farms that really is Poochie 100%.
Luckily South Park doesn't do this bullshit "Haha WE MADE YOU THINK he going to win but he instead lost. Were your expectations le subverted?" 98% of the time, but when it does it's annoying as shit.
I mean, the thing is that objectively, if we're pretending continuity matters and is real now anyway, he's less of a piece of shit than Stan and Kyle and has been for awhile, he's just more comedic and honest about it than they are.
It's weird how much control Matt & Trey have over the show ... if it was any other show then it would have branched off into a million reboots & spin offs just like Scooby Doo & Spiderman for better or for worse.
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South Park quality was consistent up until season 17 started and fell off a cliff.
That's 10 more seasons than when Simpsons slowly started going to shit in season 8
12 more seasons than when Spongebob went to shit after just 5 seasons after the movie.
South Park nevet went to shit after the theatrical movie, but that's also probably because the movie was released as early as season 3 as opposed to other TV Shows that take 7+ seasons till they finally release a goddamn theatrical movie instead of a special. Or the creator tries to do an ending or had already left and they call him back just for the movie, that kinda stuff.
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kill yourself
It helped that unlike Simpsons/Spongebob/FG/R&M, Matt and Trey have never stepped down as showrunners. Their staff writers room may rotate a bit but they're mainly for outlining the story while Trey pens the script
Everything about SP's development/production process fascinates me for some reason.
I could write multiple paragraphs on the animation changes and the remastering of past episodes
Animators do fun things like picrel, like how Kevin and Red were together in the background a lot and then got paired off officially in Skankhunt. Red and Annie also seemed to be buddies.
Old behind the scenes photo I stumbled upon
Man, that was like, 5 divorces ago
So young and happy.
Aside from the Tegridy shit, nuSP is still better than current Simpsons and Family Guy
still better than current Simpsons and Family Guy
That's not saying much
I could see Kartman going to extreme length just to annoy Kyle. But no I don't think he is faking it, I think is much worse, Eric is the kind of asshole who bully other people cause them great pain during childhood but is totally normal and doesn't see anything he did as wrong just as "boys will be boys"
Did you watch the full special? He stopped beating up Kyle after his wife pleaded, and he ended up saving Kyle's life by shooting Future Clyde. It was all real. Cartman can be a better person if he wanted to. He just doesn't want to in most circumstances.