Are we experiencing a second animation dark age? - follow-up thread

Usually it's an outside force that breaks the cracks.
The 70s were largely broken up by loosening restrictions on what people could do giving little boys the action they wanted.
The 80s commercial era fell apart because parents were getting sick of their kids pestering them for whatever was advertised in those shows and filed complaints with the government to restrict advertising.
I think the reality is Beanmouth era is crumbling right in front of us as we're seeing kids television being abandoned for projects that can be built up and churn out merchandise better like Arcane and Invincible because low risk high reward like SU and Gravity Falls isn't as viable now.

The bean mouth thing doesn’t really warrant a dignified response because it always has been and still is a disingenuous lie

Like why should waste my time and walk down all of the little details of the lie when I know all I’ll get is ether a 5000+ word goal post or a snarky single sentence green text?

Dorky is quite talented but he has quite the ego; even if he is a young college student.

He was involved in a Ren & Stimpy fan project that went south (as well as the small studio that made it) because he wanted to take control of the whole damn thing.

"the oversimplification of artstyles for the sake of costs is a lye nyeh nyeh nyeh", lol, lmao even, the bean mouth style is real and it still hasn’t gone away like artstyle trends are supposed to, do I need to point to this image again?

Oh would you look what’s on tv right now literally at this very moment, this artstyle TOTALLY dosent exist

supposed to

what's the expiration date on art styles? beanmouth emerged in the mid 2010s, and we're in the mid 2020s now. while it's true that cartoons throughout the 2000s had much variety, decades like the 60s and 80s also had persistent art trends that lasted longer than the 5 year chunks this image depicts. the real question is when will beanmouth actually die, and are we already witnessing the beginning of the end?

It's funny to me that this board full of beaners and SEAmonkeys thinks AI is a magic wand because they don't actually know how it works

I mean looking at stylistic trends per decade, there def is some overlap, these artstyles just DEFINE their decades, the "rebel era" in this image defined the 90’s but started in the late 80’s. The geometric era is more so a progression of the 90’s era, Powerpuff Girls and Dexters Lab are both 90’s cartoons so idk why they’re grouped with the 2000’s but they are the two shoes which started the thickline geometric style trend of the 2000’s. The bean mouth style started with Adventure Time, which was influential to many 2010’s cartoons in many ways, and Steven Universe and Gravity Falls helped popularize the style even further. Honestly said that we’re witnessing the decline of the bean mouth style in front of our very eyes, and I kinda agree. In that CN image I wouldn’t be surprised if you never even heard of the shows of the current era, perhaps people will start waking up to the fact that beanmouth slop is no longer profitable?

I again point to
The beanmouth shows seemingly aren't making their money back and all dying in 1-2 seasons. Market forces are killing them because

kids no longer watch cartoons

Streaming has basically killed "catch it when it comes on and you have nothing else to do", so now most shows no longer have a fighting chance, studios will advertise based on how much they've put into a show which means higher budgets for shorter seasons.

These market changes basically killed CalArts in its tracks in favor of stuff like legacy IPs or big budget action shows that studios feel more comfortable pouring advertising into.

Not really anon, because you already Win and most of the bored agrees with you, and will agree with you 10 years from now when the same threads get made

Again there’s really no “discussing” Anon Babble meta narratives

See you can point at this, but I can’t point at how gumballs inclusion doesn’t make sense as a “generic” and “same” looking show despite it being actually really distinct, or how many 2010’s and 2020 cartoons both obscure and popular don’t feature bean mouth but you know Anon Babble meta narratives

Do you believe that AI has reached it's peak?
It's already making (shitty) videos and people are already using those to make content (of varying quality).

AI is probably gonna be used to render certain shots and effects but is almost certainly gonna need a human hand to help.
A huge issue rn is the legal hurdles.

I said before on the previous thread that the bean mouth style gotten worse, and one of the reasons is that current bean mouth shows barely have any distinction, this wasn’t an issue beanmouth cartoons of the 2010’s like Gravity Falls, Gumball, and Star had. Gumball does feature a cast of characters drawn in unique artstyles, but all those styles are very beanmouth-ish, this isn’t a bad thing though, in fact I feel that Gumball is one of the few shows that actually did this artstyle right. Modern bean mouth slop like Big City Greens and Primos look like they can be confused for other shows.

It's already making (shitty) videos and people are already using those to make content (of varying quality).

yeah mang i love jeetfarms

This is a haunting display, anon. Please leave this website for your own good

kids no longer watch cartoons

Do you think making more wacky cartoons like modern SpongeBob will fix the issue? Zanyness, wacky faces, and surreal humor sounds like something kids would love, I hate Digital Circus but isn’t that one of the reasons the show became so popular among children in the first place? I think the only reason The Day the Earth Blew Up wasn’t watched by anyone who isn’t an animation fan is because of shit marketing, kids could’ve at that shit up. Ren & Stimpy-like cartoons are like the good kind of brainrot for kids that should be able to save the industry.

Look I feel we’re reaching the goal post moving already

Can you like? Point to me how the papper panda , banana Joe and idk… that one guy that does all the towns jobs are “bean mouth-ish” to me?

Also agree big city green and primos are painfully generic looking, but also Disney had that owl house, which I don’t care for but it has its own distinct style, also I’d point at wonder over yonder for being very visually distinct

The problem with modern CN isn’t bean mouth, it’s that the network basically gambled on milking ttg and abandoned their experimentation that made them low key wash the other networks when it comes to cultural relevance

The hard pivot to deliberately toddler shit and the constant canceling of good shows (rip Moa moa and infinity train) pretty much caused CN’s own going downfall

It seems like the experimental side of CN kinda just moved to adult swim

Display of what? Me being smart compared to you Loud House loving pedo gooners? In fact I’m basically a newfag here, I don’t even use Anon Babble that often, I’ve just viewed several animation discussion parts of the internet

Yeah I should’ve said "most of their styles" some designs like the robot and the T-Rex are pretty distinct on their own but characters like Penny, the cloud guy, the balloon, and that elderly moose horn guy definitely have some beanmouth energy.

Also Wander Over Yonder was a great cartoon but that happened like 10 years ago. There were indeed some good wacky cartoons of the 2010’s but there’s even fewer in this decade, I can only think of The Patrick Star Show and The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse, Smiling Friends is also not really a wacky cartoon but it’s well animated and expressive.

Also The Owl House’s style is a result of corporate meddling, Dana Terrace dosen’t usually draw like that, look at her upcoming indie show which is drawn in her OWN artstyle, Disney clearly forced her to make the Owl House’s style more beanmouth adjacent to make it easier to animate.

wacky, zany

These words have become synonymous with "random throw shit at the wall to see what sticks" rather than "outrageous, clever imagination" since before you were born, they're marketing terms now. John is an okay draftsman but his understanding of comedy begins and ends with "WASN'T THAT SUPER WEIRD?" which managed to eventually infect his character skills. It's not that he's a bad person, it's that he let himself be raised by cartoons and he has problems understanding what makes a thing funny because he has a superficial on-the-spectrum comprehension of what he sees. He apes the aspects without understanding the overall concepts.

You can always tell who the Indians are in these threads.

cheap animation failing to capitalize on what made those cartoons so successful in the first place

If you don't know why that animation was cheap then you aren't having any epiphanies, you're having brainfarts entirely based off a priori assertions. Do your homework more and stop letting your guesses do your thinking.

Say what you want about John K though but you can’t deny the fact that, like I said in the OP, Ren & Stimpy influenced tons of other cartoons to be wacky and zany. However, some people fail to realize that John K’s expressions are made to look like actual expressions, you know how tons of retards claim that "modern SpongeBob is making wacky faces to create the next internet meme", that’s literally what Digital Circus and Helluva Boss are doing with their expressions, yet they don’t give a shit because they goon to characters from those shows

nah, the thing with kids is that they want to feel grown up. digital circus, because of its lore and indie status, fills that role. the blunt fact is that the kids who would be watching these wacky surreal cartoons twenty years ago now think that's all lame baby shit, and crave the edgier stuff you get off the web. not to mention HOW kids watch cartoons these days- if they're not watching them truncated via youtube clips, they're hopping between multiple streaming services and watching a couple minutes of a cartoon at a time before moving onto the next one. zero attention span required. shit's terrifying to watch, and bodes ill for the industry as a whole.

Hey you know one topic I want to bring up in this thread? The lack of Rough Draft Studios being used.

For those who don’t know Rough Draft Korea is the studio that did the overseas animation for many cartoons of the 90’s, 2000’s, and 2010’s, whether it was Dexter’s Lab, Fairly Oddparents, Adventure Time, or even more niche stuff like Camp Lazlo or Drawn Together, Rough Draft Korea did the overseas animation for all of them, and you can just tell when a show was animated by them. But nowadays that studio isn’t used that much, unless it’s a shit-looking cartoon like Big City Greens or Hailey’s On It, otherwise they use motion tweening or a cheaper studio. Did it become more expensive for Rough Draft Korea to animate cartoons or something? I noticed SpongeBob and The Simpsons are still animated by Rough Draft but that’s probably because those cartoons are incredibly successful and make more money.

This is shown with reboots, The Clone High and Proud Family reboots weren’t animated by Rough Draft like the shows were originally and so they look worse than they originally did, look at the latter for example, fluid designs and stylized backgrounds, all turned soulless by the magic of tweening

I’m glad I got you to concede a little because your comment threw me through loop

But I can’t really help but feel that this conversation is dictated by what constitutes as actual bean mouth, are we talking about shows that feature at least one actual bean mouth? Or are labeling any vaguely “round” show as bean mouth?

I feel that so much of qualms with a lot of bean mouth anons (you’re one of the better ones) is that it feels like I’m getting a person’s preference handed to me as a weird conspiracy

To me styles are styles and I just examine them show by show, I love samurai jacks and MLATR’s visuals to bits but couldn’t really bring myself to care about how Dexter and ppg look, and I think say… that one “my class mate is a monkey” show looks awful

At the other hand I don’t care for SU, I think gravity’s falls is fine, but really really love over the garden wall’s and gumball

I just don’t think the style in question is a turn off (unironically over the garden wall’s sexy rustic Americana aesthetic is one of its main selling points) , but more so CN’s and by proxy Warner “animation doesn’t matter” bros brain dead financial decisions

If you’re starved for stuff that isn’t round-ish I can throw some various shows for you to watch

I agree with you to an extent, I worked as a summer camp consuelor last year so I know how kids are. I commonly drew stuff to entertain them, I have a wacky Ren & Stimpy inspired artstyle and they seemed to like it, but then again their just kids and would probably have their eyes pop at the thought of any consuelour having any kind of artistic talent. Anyways the tv in the camp would always have stuff on Disney+ played, they seem to like Phineas and Ferb, which, while not the best looking cartoon, is a Wacky Cartoon, I remember one time when all the kids wanted to watch the Goofy Movie too. But there definitely seems to be a higher interest in horror among kids these days as shown with their interest in indie horror stuff like Poppy Playtime. Also we one time went on a trip to see Inside Out 2 in theaters, that kinda counts as a wacky cartoon I guess? The emotions are kinda wacky, idk it’s not my style. Then again keep in mind this is the iPad kid generation we’re dealing with, I feel I’m getting a bit off topic here

My point is that any round shows are made to look round so they’re easier to animate. Which is very similar to what happened with animation in the 60’s and 70’s but with a different coat of paint.

Honestly I’ll love to see suggestions for shows to check out I’d love to hear it, though my preference is shows that are wacky and expressive, there seems to be a trend of shows being influenced by anime or comics these days which, while are benefitting the industry, aren’t really my taste. So what other wacky cartoons of the decade can you think of?

The thing is that both those instances of cheap animation are a result of the animation dark age being in full swing

the thing with kids is that they want to feel grown up

digital circus

That's funny because as a grown up, Digital Circus feels like a kids show to me

Does it even count as "adult animation"? they literally make a joke in the show about how they can’t swear, if anything it feels like a PG show made for everyone. Either way the show is shit and anyone who wants to fuck Pomni is either a 13 year old or a manchild

I feel This associating cost effectiveness with quality, because smart corner cutting was the bred and butter of CN for most of its inception, like how a lot of PFG fights are flashes of light with little poses between em (for the fact that the girl’s arms and hands are weird flesh numbs) etc, I feel this definition is too vague and can be applied to stuff an average person wouldn’t call “bean mouth”

Also I don’t have much wacky shit to recommend sadly , was gonna recommend scavenger’s reign due to it being this experience first, visually driven si fi show

I've spent the last year and a half getting hands-on experience wutg generative AI as well as learning the underlying principles to understand some of its behavior.
What makes generative AI possible is what makes it unreliable and the two are not only indivisible they are the same thing. This isn't a problem that faster hardware, larger models or algorithms can solve, it's intrinsic to machine learning being nothing more than a self-teaching imitation machine. That's not a "AI will NEVER" statement, it's a description of what it is at the fundamental level.
The reason all these music/image generation websites tend to give you four minimum by default isn't generosity, it's silent recognition of a 75% failure rate. Even an independently wealthy indie animation studio can't work with those odds. The selling point of automation is the promise of 1:1 replacement of skilled labor with no net loss to productivity or profit; robots weld cars not only faster but more accurately than we can and it does exactly what's requested.
AI approximates what's requested (poorly), has no consistency or memory, and when time is money, the mistakes it is designed to make cost money.

Hey look, I was watching SpongeBob like a REAL cartoonist and a commercial for a bean mouth show showed up on my tv, can’t wait for this to be canned after 1 season, TOTAL BEANMOUTH DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel cost-effectiveness is an issue, bean mouth shows and adult animated sitcoms these days are all writer driven, many shows from the 90’s and 2000’s were artist driven, stuff like R&S, Dexters Lab, Ed Edd n Eddy, Courage, Fairly Oddparents, and more were all cartoonist driven, focusing on both the art AND the writing. Nowadays many cartoons focus mostly on writing and that’s a problem. A cartoon being a writer show isn’t inheritely a bad thing, I like some writer shows like South Park, Phineas & Ferb, and Gravity Falls, but when there’s too much writer shows it becomes damaging to the medium. They’re being shilled out these days for quantity over quality

Alot of them came from feature animation, namely The Castle of Cagliostro.
Not true, as...

The 1970s were because network executives took over cartoon production and it made animator suffer as a result, plus everyone hated the shows being made anyway.

The 1980s started out as the worse of the worse, then due to Japan's bubble economy a Japanese studio by the name of TMS showed up, thought "why don't we make actual entertainment instead of ads" and started to maker shows people actually wanted to watch, while at first there were some toy driven shows like Mighty Orbots, The Blinkens, Rainbow Bright and The Wuzzles TMS made sure there were entertainment first and ads second, also TMS made actual entertainment like Inspector Gadget, Galaxy High and Heathcliff and the Cadillac Cats, and one day Michael Eisner's son barged in his dad's meeting with Yutaka Fujioka (the president of TMS at the time) asking for some Gummy Bears and from that day on Gummi Bears was created and saved the industry the the hell scape that was the dark age.

Meanwhile, still in the 1980s, John K begged Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera to reboot The Jetsons and they said yes but he had to do the work in Taiwan, he flew to Taiwan and fixed Hanna Barbera singled handedly which then caught the attention of Ralph Bakshi which he allowed him to to the same magic on Mighty Mouse and the rest is history.

It was not parent groups, it was John K that saved the animation industry, almost single handedly.

Powerpuff Girls and Dexters Lab are both 90’s cartoons so idk why they’re grouped with the 2000’s

Because those are the same people who grouped Simpsons as a 90s cartoon despite The Simpsons shorts with in The Tracy Ullman show first airing in 1987 and grouped SpongeBob as 2000 despite first airing in May of 1999 and had multiple episodes premiering in 1999.

To be fair Simpsons and SpongeBob defined the 90’s and the 2000’s respectively, The Simpsons only had one episode release during the last month of the 80’s and blew up in popularity in the 90’s, it was arguably part of the big 3 of 90’s cartoons, the other two being Rugrats and Ren & Stimpy. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think SpongeBob was all that popular in the 90’s, the 2000’s was the decade where the Sponge began to shine and he’s widely associated with zoomers these days

Digital Circus' viewer ship count was rigged by bots, we been through this before.

Everyone avoided The Day the Earth Blew Up because Katie Rice worked on it and everyone hates her because she stole Atsuko Tanaka's (Who was a director on the original Animaniacs that also did a bunch of Ghibli work) job on Animaniacs'2020.
South Korea and it's culture became mainstream and because the normies saw how bad South Korea's work culture was every studio in South Korea wanted alot more money, resulting in only action cartoons (mostly "anime inspired" ones) and very long runners like SpongeBob and The Simpsons being the only shows to still use South Korea, they all got rases.

That and South Korea started to make it's own programing in bulk like with Japan instead of just doing a few Disney knock offs and Dooly the Dinosaur (which is still going).

With The Simpsons the Tracy Ullman shorts were just as popular as the show itself, and SpongeBob was popular in the 1990s, it was so huge that it caused Pokemania to end it was that huge.

I doubt general mainstream audiences even knew who tf Katie Rice was, you’d have to be an animation fan to know that shit, and tons of animation fans online fuckin love the film, we’re talking about kids who love cartoons and adults who grew up on Looney Tunes which should’ve been the kind of audience the film should’ve garnered in theaters, but poor marketing killed the possibility of the film getting a mainstream audience

Do you believe that AI has reached it's peak?

We're reaching the peak of what consumer hardware can do. There are principles analogous to Moore's Law in play here; barring some genius engineer breakthrough in chip fabrication processes changing the world overnight, the future looks more and more like local hitting a ceiling and end users having to rely on data centers. And that's just assuming we stick with only present-day paradigms for generative models.
Sure, we're going to see longer video clips and a few physics simulation improvements, better model inference from fewer source images, but that's incremental stuff.

Those people don't know who Katie Rice is is the problem, and I found the film too Ritalin induced for my liking.
More people know who Katie Rice is then you think.

I mean yeah but SpongeBob and Simpsons arguably gotten even more popular and mainstream in the decades after them, not to mention how they influenced tons of cartoons in the coming decade. The Simpsons paved the way for adult animation in general, which gave us 90’s cartoons like Beavis & Butthead and South Park. SpongeBob’s influence, for better or worse, could also be seen in shows like Camp Lazlo, Fanboy & ChumChum, and Flapjack, the latter of which was the starting point for many beanmouth slop artists in the industry.

What happened in the late 1960s through the 1970s isn't a cultural phenomenon. The studios believed their future was in television, only to find networks were fine with cancelling TV animation completely due to the poor RoI (cel anmation being considerably more expensive than live action). The networks told the studios "cut every corner until your productions fit into our budgets" and that's the reason for limited animation. It wasn't a culture shift, it was studios trying to remain in business. There were no other options. The only reason Star Trek: The Animated Series had more than Shatner, Barrett and Nimoy from the show was because Nimoy refused to sign his contract until there were 3 more cast members on board and an agreement none of the TOS characters would be voiced by other actors. Filmation could have shut down the entire project but they took the risk and then cut corners even harder on the animation and music.
The 1980s only reversed this because the shows were all preexisting IPs already subsidized by the toy manufacturers, but they also offshored the animation; the studios found the production money only leaving the networks with ratings to be concerned about.

"Shows were all based on preexisting IP’s"

hmmmmmmmmm, sounds familiar……

You know while on the topic of cartoon family trees I’ll say again that I’m really hoping the artists behind modern SpongeBob get to fix the animation industry. I’m huffing hopium REAL HARD rn, you even got Pinkie A Davis trying to pitch a cartoon, though if it’s getting picked up is another story, especially since it’s being pitched to Fox which consists of retards who shill out endless amounts of Family Guy clones

damn these designs look like the eraserhead baby

What’s the matter, you mad that designs look like actual cartoons rather than bean mouth garbage? Seethe harder

You’ve probably jerked off to so much cartoon loli porn like the Anon Babblemo you are that you’re so used to seeing clean little girls rather than cool ugly looking shit, you probably HATE the 90’s Mr. Diddla

It was not parent groups, it was John K that saved the animation industry, almost single handedly.

just because he wrote it on his blog while jacking off doesnt make it true anon

While John K isn’t the most reliable narrator you can’t deny the fact that, like I said twice before in this thread, Ren & Stimpy was incredibly influential to the 90’s, it was one of the three original Nicktoons, alongside Doug and Rugrats, both of those shows were relatively grounded while R&S was bonkers and off the walls insanity. Kids loved it, adults loved it, and animators especially loved it. You can thank that show for all the wacky and zany stuff of the 90’s, think about, those hot models you see in shows like Animaniacs, they wouldn’t be there without R&S, so you gooners could thank that show.

It is.

You know, tons of people think that indie animation is gonna save the industry when I doubt it, it’s gonna flourish during this dark period of mainstream cartoons, yes, but not really influence the upper heads. Yes, Digital Circus and Helluva Boss are on streaming now, but those are indie cartoons EVERYONES heard of, why don’t they support obscure indie cartoons by putting them on streaming? I like obscure wacky indie shows like Reality Bytes and Foolmates, I honestly think they deserve a chance at being put on streaming, Foolmates especially has potential to garner mainstream appeal, you can just tell how much IsaiahCartoons wants to make a tv show.

Fixed.

Responding in one word and image isn’t English I swear some of you cotards are incomprehensible

Thats just what normies do on a regular bases.

low risk high reward like SU and Gravity Falls

GF was considered low risk because the showrunner had worked on 3 other productions and Fish Hooks was considered a moderate success. GF also had a premise hooking off already popular cult TV shows.
SU was believed low risk because Sugar promised fun adventure fluff suggesting a more anime-flavored AT, and when they told her "episodic, we'll be rerunning these out of sequence" she nodded like she was actually going to follow orders. The risk was looking at a talented, imaginative kid but overlooking the fact her only role model was Calarts' most contrarian graduate, creatively cuddly but also contemptuous of the industry practices the school was founded to instill ensuring the continued survival of the studio system. CN had unfounded faith she'd run a tighter ship than Pen Ward, but even that wasn't enough to predict how far she was willing to backstab them.

5000+ word goal post

Make next year's April Fools a bot that replaces each of those with an AI summary, then every hour the minimum word could triggering this drops

I'm surprised we don't have a cartoon based on American gun culture or the US military with all the cool details that would make the Forgotten Weapons fans, COD kids, and Anon Babbleommandos excited.

They did that back in the 1980s.

I just realized another thing with Rough Draft Korea and now I’m even more pissed off, show revivals animated by it are nowhere NEAR the same level of animation as they were in the original run. Look at the Phineas and Ferb revival for example, choppy, stiff animation, even worse than the original run, tbf Phineas and Ferb’s animation peaked with season 1 if I’m being honest

Modern SpongeBob has expressive and zany animation, modern Simpsons has Disney-esque fluid animation, what does the Phineas & Ferb revival have? Stiff aggressively on-model shit, just bring back P&Fs wacky faces plz

Early Phineas and Ferb was animated by Taiwanese Wang Film who always did presentable work, thats why the animation was so good in those early episodes.

But imagine if Disney kept their former Australian and Japanese animation departments and had those 2 studios do Phineas and Ferb, they will put Wang Film to shame.

Give it a wacky zany artstyle and I’m interested

I was thinking something more like this but unironically pro war

I always thought that the reason the animation was more expressive was because of the show settling on its visually identity at season 2. It’s mostly character designers and board artists in charge of wacky expressions, it’s similar to what happened to the Simpsons, there were some wacky faces in the earlier seasons but they gone away as the seasons passed. Honestly early Phineas and Ferb and Simpsons cartoony expressions were few and far between, happening only 1-3 times per episode, the fact that they went away means the shows creators WANTED them to be stiff.

Eh, there’s too much western animated-anime wannabes these days, besides, zany cartoons and guns fit together a LOT better

Or that these studios lack the skill Wang Film had.

Disney needed to keep their former Japanese and Australian department, would've done wonders for them.

Something like this? tho the idea of classic cartoon characters in modern military aesthetic is interesting

I was thinking along the lines of old Looney Tunes war shorts, anyways we’re getting off topic here, wanna make a cartoon about guns and war? Make that shit its own thread

Phineas and Ferb’s season 1 style had a good charm to it, reminded me of other Disney tv cartoons of the time, like Proud Family and Kim Possible, it’s a shame that magic can never be created in the corporate beanslop-ridden wasteland that is the current cartoon industry

You know, while we’re talking about the current state of the industry, can I just mention that Hailey’s On It is the worst fucking Disney cartoon ever made, look at that artstyle, it’s like the bean mouth style, fake anime style, and adult animated sitcom style combined into one unholy abomination. The show is aggressively sanitized and kiddish, and is on model all the fucking time with zero expression, I feel bad for the kids who are growing up watching this garbage, fuck whoever made this show, I hate it more than Kiff.

We’re experiencing a dark age in western civilization in general anon

Damn and look at the creators filmography, they’re not even animators, why is this shitshow animated? Just make it another shitty sitcom

Also they directed Gamers Guide and some shit I’ve never even heard of LOOOOSSSSSEEEEERERRSSS

I’m gonna have to agree that entertainment in general sucks right now, studios in general are milking pre-existing IP’s to death, oh well, maybe media sucking in general is a good thing, the further the pendulum is pushed the quicker it swings back, people gonna get tired of the same shit over and over again eventually right?

Hey I gotta another thing to show you Anon Babble gooners, ever notice modern cartoons don’t have attractive women anymore like in the 90’s where you’d see hotties everywhere like in Animaniacs and the 2000’s where there were thick Moms like Mrs. Turner? That’s right, your oh so precious goon material is at risk, being attacked by the crap state of the animation industry, everything’s bland and unattractive, you mad now gooners? You wanna care about the industry now gooners?

face it man, the gooners were never gonna click on the thread and read this shit. next thread, try the [LUST PROVOKING IMAGE] approach so you can lure them in and bitch at them that way.

Bottom left was done by Indian artists, not Americans.

These people are too sex-crazed from adult animated sitcom milfs and beanmouth SU girls, they need to learn why these cartoons artstyles are bad for the industry, they need to get Renpilled and start gooning to wacky ADULT cartoon females

They’ll learn what’s REALLY hot

It's a bit worse than that, although it has little to do with cartoons and comics. Various countries across EU are shifting into war economies while internal social cohesions have only been lower during civil wars. The upside is that I expect the french and belgian comic industries to jump out of slump and regain some vigour. Also finally after decades, pro-war animations might be off the ban list.

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discussion is derailed by gooners spamming john k girls

you just can't win

I mean yeah but Cocomelon has had a negative influence on educational kids shows in general, now all shows have be bright and colorful and look like they were animated in a sweat shop, all to capture their fleeting iPad kid attention span.

I don't blame kids for wanting to be adults. Being a kid fucking SUCKED.

whole existence is controlled by other people

subordinate to parents and teachers

cant eat whatever you want

cant get drugs or alcohol

cant get pussy

cant buy material stuff and have to ask (beg) for money that you cant earn yourself

patronized

have to deal with massive censorship and thought control attempts

no self agency

On and on and on. Being an adult is freedom.

anons are still clinging on to an industry that's basically nearly gone.

Anons I hate to say but most kids these days just stick to YouTube and TikTok and Reels. They aren't watching TV a lot unless they're at the doctors office or something. Cartoonists just need to adapt. Bill Kopp is just doing indie cartoons now and everyone will have to adapt as well. There is no money in TV animation anymore.

Better to fap to John K girls than this modern cartoon shit, it sucks how Anon Babble is more filled with autistic gooners than people who care about the state of the animation industry. Why don’t the gooners just go to one of the many NSFW boards? They got no future, they’ll just jerk off to Loud House porn till their Mom kicks them out of the house

2D animation is a pretty masochistic artform considering how much time and effort it takes to produce compared to filming live action film or drawing illustrations.
And for what? Just to ultimately be disrespected by the majority of people because they all deem animation to be "a kiddy medium"?
2D animation is a wonderful artform but it has to be feuled by people who have a burning passion that transcends money. People with principles. People who are detached from the world of materialism and are close to god.
With this being the reality, the animation medium is never going to meet its full potential in america, because its a coutry where, from the second you're born, you're constantly told that your worth is dictated by how much material things you own, how big your land is, how big your bank account is, etc. Nobody in the US wants to be a 2D animator because the amount of effort it takes is just not worth an average wage. This is why people mostly opt to become 3D animators, because its cost efficient and takes less effort, and if they do want to do 2D, they just use puppet rigs. Even if it makes things look worse, people in america will always keep taking these easier options in animations because if you work harder than you're getting paid, your primal american brain screams "this is wrong I'm being exploited".
2D animation will continue to thrive in Japan because they don't have this problem. Japanese people are raised to be selfless, to try their hardest in everything and to never be a nuisance.
Everyone is expected to work harder than they're getting paid, and not just that but japanese people are more prone to developing obsessive personalities so most times you don't even have to ask them to kill themselves over work, they'll do it of their own volition just to prove themselves.

jerking off

Lurk Anon Babble moar

I mean kids still watch cartoons, like I said before: Though streaming definitely had an effect on the industry, tons of kids these days love Gravity Falls and Phineas and Ferb from my experience, even modern shows like Big City Greens are liked by them, they also know who SpongeBob is and that’s good.

I mean one of the benefits of streaming is tons of old shows could be watched by them, or at least that would be possible if HBO MAX DIDNT FUCKING REMOVE ALL THEIR OLD SHOWS

I mean kids still watch cartoons, like I said before

Yeah just not TV cartoons unless it's SpongeBob or TTG and I'm being generous, those shows ratings are down too.

Kids these days watch Skibidi Toilet and whatever random obscure cartoon is available to watch. Kinda blew my mind when at KFC I saw some autist watching Oggy and The Cockroaches. But hey they're available for free on YouTube so who gives a shit. All of Dic's and Nelvana's cartoons are available on YouTube via WildBrain so kids have an entire backlog going back decades to watch.

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None of this is to say Japan is a better country than America on a whole, its just that their society more sufficiently meets the requirements that 2D animation demands. This is basically always going to be the case and its never going to change because it traces back to thousands of years of traditions and human behaviour.

if you can't hold a spirited discussion about weird shit with only one hand you might need to lurk moar

autist spends days spamming his long-winded complaints about children's cartoons

posts THIS as his favorite cartoon, probably his own art since he keeps spamming this trash

Top kek. Way to invalidate your own argument.

I hope those autistic kids watching Oggy and Space Goofs for free on YT are getting inspired by them, I can imagine some autist child who thinks REAAAAAALLY hard saying "why don’t they make shows like this anymore?", funny is that all those Dic and Nelvana cartoons look better than 90% of modern cartoons, even including the stiff 80’s shit

John K and Ano were mistakes for the industry. Because of them every cartoon has to be deep and emotional instead of just having the characters be wacky and doing shit.

Anon, I know it sucks giving parents groups credit but do not underestimate what they did back then.
If you look at the 80s, the toy commercial for whatever new thing showed up in the show would air during the episodes in which they debuted.
Parents groups basically beat that down with a sack full of rocks, did it a second time during Pokemania, and a third time during the 2000s action cartoon explosion.
Toy mandates got BTFO multiple times by parents groups which became a double edged sword because it also killed Western action cartoons for the longest time.

That meme makes no sense.

That’s not my art, I’m just a fan of indie cartoons trying to support an obscure animated series, like seriously you don’t understand how funny Foolmates is
m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgWG3ixDcNXICzzwSy025nwj1Y1XbTWw-
(The older episodes look like shit though due to the artist being more amateur at the time)

Based

Oh yes it does retardboy, you people hate adult animated sitcoms for looking the same but love bean mouth garbage despite it looking the same too. Even though these 2 artstyles aren’t even that different from eachother. Look at this shit, tell me that this totally isn’t the adult-friendly version of the beanmouth style

We need less story driven shows in this industry, that’s another issue I’ve forgot to bring up, we get beanmouth story shit garbage instead of more good shows like THIS

Yeah, Ren and Stimpy is just The Seventh Seal for kids. Nothing wacky in that show.

I wish every episode of APC was just naked beach frenzy.

"nothing wacky in that show"

lol, hey Retardo Montalbon, what the fuck do you call this shit then?

Thats just story driven slop. This is why we have nothing but lore shit.

Typical Anon Babble goonerism, all of Adult Party Cartoon was great animation wise but most of the episodes sucked, Naked Beach Frenzy was just cartoon porn. Not to mention one of the girls in it was modeled after one of John K’s victims, typical Anon Babble pedoism

like seriously you don’t understand how funny Foolmates is

I'm not retarded so sorry. I watched two of the newer episodes and didn't laugh once.
Defending it just because it's an "obscure indie cartoon" will inevitably do more harm than good and this line of thought is a contributing factor to why the industry is falling apart in the first place.

Making characters (women) fuckable is a crime apparently

Ren & Stimpy ain’t story driven slop you fucking spazdoodle, that show is known for existing to GIVE FREEDOM TO THE ARTISTS, it’s a pure artist show, go back to watching Big City Greens and jerking off to the bean mouth moms you fucking sped kid

SpongeBob still gets over 5 million views daily.

Also kids are not watching Skibidi Toilet because it is far to violent for kids, the cartoons they do watch are old Warner Bros, MGM, Fleisher, Walter Lantz and Famous Studios shorts, alot of them are on YouTube.

In terms of YouTube content other then old animated shorts it's otherwise all live action content like Game Sack, LGR and The 8-Bit Guy, all informative, scripted content that is as far from brain rot as you can get.
Japan isn't making wacky crazy comedies, that the problem.
The stuff Dic did in the 1980s was done in Japan so you know the quality will, be high, some of it was even handled by TMS back in their prime such as Ulysses 31, Inspector Gadget, The Littles. Heathcliff and Rainbow Bright.
Parents group did nothing, if John K didn't enter the animation industry 22+ minute ads will still be the norm, John K stopped them almost single handedly while TMS (really Toshihiko Masuda and Kenji Hachizaki through their Telecom division as those were the 2 that took over for Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata when they left Telecom to go over to Topcraft to do Nausicaa) did the rest of the work.

SpongeBob took care of Pokemania, not parents groups as Pokémon was not a 22+ minute ad as it was against Nintendo Co.,Ltd's policies (Nintendo of America is another story).

I'm tired of you faggots and women on this board demonizing people for being openly straight.

schizo thread

I love The Haunted World of El Superbeasto, it perfectly captured the Spumco energy, what makes it even more impressive is that the film was directed by a guy with no experience in the animation industry, yet he gave the artists amazing freedom, we need more films like this, which is why I’m excited to Genndy Tartakovsky’s Fixed.

No you retard. Ren and Stimpy introduced complex lore driven slop to kids with it's long winded episodes about Stimpy's fart being all sad. It's literally baked in the show. This shit DESTROYED slapstick for good with it's artsy crap for hipsters. Only thing worthwhile is the women on that show being sexy like

Women are supposed to be sexy, case in point.

No one cares about these shows.

When I was working as a Summer camp counselor last year I rarely heard Skibidi Toilet mentioned, unless the kids called it brainrot and say stuff like "stop saying brainrot", it seems that hating on Skibidi Toilet has became a meme itself among kids as Gen Alpha themselves are fully aware of the term "brainrot"

It’s also good that kids are growing up on wacky cartoons, is Cuphead still popular among kids these days as it was in late 2010’s? I feel that game definitely reignited interest in rubber hose animation among many. I also feel like the game Pizza Tower when it was popular 2 years go, while not a perfect recreation of 90’s cartoons, definitely had to have influenced some kids to make their drawings wacky.

Exactly

Though I like South Park, I mean unlike the others there it’s simply another season rather than a full on series revival, Phineas and Ferb was also another good writer show that didn’t need a revival cause I just know it’s gonna be worse in every way

Japan isn’t making wacky crazy comedies, that’s the problem

You know since tons of western cartoons are fake anime shit why dosen’t Japan do the reverse of it? Make wacky anime influenced by western cartoons, we already have Panty & Stocking, we just need a Japanese show that PERFECTLY captures the western artstyle, much like how western animators can perfectly capture the anime artstyle, an anime that captures every detail of a western cartoon perfectly has to be possible.

TMS use to do this all the time back in the 1980s and 1990s but stopped for some reason.

I mean most of these are western cartoons animated overseas in Japan probably being instructed to look as western as possible, rather than something being made entirely in Japan, but still they should’ve been influenced by their work on TMS shows right?

But still they should’ve been influenced by their work on TMS shows right?
Yes.

Famicom is the winner

Hey lookit what’s on tv right now, another shit look motion tweeted beanmouth show, and you cotards think this artstyle and the adult animated sitcom styles are extremely different from eachother COPE AND SEETHE RETARDS!!!!!

*tweened
I meant to say tweened not tweeted, though tbf toon twitter eats this garbage up so it still makes sense

much like how western animators can perfectly capture the anime artstyle

I would say that those korean-animated netflix anime-like cartoons fail to "perfectly" capture the anime style and they look very obviously western.

Yeah I feel both western cartoons and anime have their quirks that make them distinctive, any replication will never be truly perfect, though they can be good enough for the average casual viewer who’s not an animation fan to mistake them for an anime

Reminder that Disney use to put in effort into it's TV department and even had animator who worked on The Castle of Cagliostro do their TV shows, namely Kazuhide Tomonaga and Atsuko Tanaka.

Take your meds

I like Grimsburg. The VAs nail it.

The only good show Disney has shat out this decade is this, it sucks how they make crap like Big Shitty Peens and Peemos when they’re supposed to be the first name that comes to mind when one thinks of animation

Nickelodeon is the best network currently since it has a higher tolerance for wacky cartoons, even modern stuff like Loud House and Rock Paper Scissors at least have that wacky energy, not to mention that SpongeBob and The Patrick Star show are, like I said before, ARTIST DRIVEN cartoons that are unironically more well animated than any of the shit on modern Disney Channel

If anyone should be taking their meds it should be ME

Then do it nigga

Good or not, the fact that it has the crappy Family Guy ripoff artstyle seen in every adult animated sitcom these days is a turn off for many, the artstyle is preventing many people from seeing any potential greatness in any modern adult cartoon, also did Grimsburg even HAVE to be animated? We need adult cartoons to be ARTIST driven, but many are given that crap style by the networks so they don’t seem appealing to kids, however you can do an expressive style without it looking appealing to children, look at Smiling Friends for example. I feel if any new artstyle trend is gonna start in adult animation it’s gonna be like the type of artstyle seen in many Animation Plus shows, very Newgrounds-esque, and I’d much prefer it if adult cartoons had this style instead.

Pretty much, yea.

If Grimsburg weren't animated, you would get Brooklyn 99. I quit watching Brooklyn 99 after I think 2 seasons.

Grimsburg is set in a wacky Scooby Doo like world where there are cyborgs and animated toys and imaginary skeletons running around. Stan is my favorite part of the show, and Mr. Flesh needs to be animated to work.

Grimsburg feels unique compared o FOX's other animated shows. It really isn't your typical family sitcom, since Marvin is divorced and live apart from Stan and Harmony. Man of the jokes are more subtle and it may take re-watching the episode in order to get some of the jokes.

So far, there haven't been any spoof or parody episodes. Which is good, since it seems like a third of the episodes of Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, and Great North are spoof episodes.

Good fucking god, I’ve been watching StuGo and the animation is so stiff, it’s stiffer than my cock when I see Dexter’s Mom rule 34. I see a lot of people online stating that they feel bad for animators working on modern adult animated sitcoms like Paradise PD because of how stiff and bland their animation looks, but working on this cartoon dosent look fun either, it’s style is literally that of a Fox cartoon but less detailed. How are Anon Babbletards okay with this? Are their pedo asses too distracted by them fapping to the little girl MC?

Honestly after reading that I feel that if the show had a different style cartoon spergs would’ve ate that shit up, instead they had to give it that artstyle which appeals solely to 40 year old Family Guy fans who beat their wives and watch Nascar

we should make a cartoon fighting game that's similar to tf2 where the red team are the classic cartoons that look cooler and shit and the blu team are the hideous bean mouth creatures that look like a homunculus

Damn that’s an amazing idea lol, maybe make all the cartoons in it legally distinct parodies of real cartoons, similar to Drawn Together? Like the red team can feature parodies of characters like Mickey Mouse, Stimpy, SpongeBob and Bugs Bunny when the blue team features parodies of characters like Steven Universe, Dipper Pines, and Rick Sanchez.

Shut the fuck up retard

Faggot

I find it funny how YouTubers are still trying to debate whether this artstyle is real or not, lmao, like this video sucks ass, it could’ve been posted in the late 2010’s with zero differences, this retard dosent even acknowledge the modern ones like Primos or Big Shitty Greens, peak band kid behavior

I was agreeing with him for the fact that we can’t have wacky cartoons these days and originally thought that he meant how online discussion is what caused the lack of writer cartoons, I didn’t know how much of a tard he was until he said the most incomprehensible shit imaginable. He probably jerks off to little kiddies like anyone else on this pedo loli loud house loving excuse for a board does

Speaking of Primos...

I can’t wait for primos to be cancelled after like 2 seasons like every modern Disney TVA show is these days, TOTAL PRIMOS DEATH

This is me when I make the pedo autists on this board SEETHE HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

First of all, responding to 148800557, "the calarts style was coined by a pedo", you retard:

reminds me of IRC chats
take me back

You're the only one seething here lmao

So you are a jew.

How how bean mouth uses a fanmade example

Ahhhhhh, the good old days in the 2000’s when cartoons looked like this (ignore TTG), the geometric thickline 2000’s style. Honestly didn’t animation fans at the time think that THIS artstyle was corporate, samey and made to be easy to animate? If only they knew what garbage artstyle would come the next decade…….

All the shit I said during this thread is smarter than jerking off to Loud House kiddie porn like you, I’m winning here

Okay, here’s some better ones tardinatorYes, the bean mouth style is TOTALLY a lie, your precious Disney TVA and Cartoonito slop TOTALLY looks unique and distinctive, these shows were totally NOT made by industry slaves, and the bean mouth style TOTALLY has gone away after a decade like trends are supposed to.

Uh oh someone just said the j-word, well you know what, when you fall asleep in bed at night, your gonna see this face peek up from the other side of your bed, and he’s gonna sneak under your covers, bite your dick off, and delete all the cartoon pedo shit off your computer

Hey while on the topic of bean mouth, I fucking hate the fact that it spread to Pixar, the first name that should come to mind when one thinks of 3d animation, Luca, Turning Red, Elemental, Elio, and the upcoming film Hoppers, all look like bean mouth shit adapted to the big screen and I fucking hate it. I’d love to see Pixar mixed up their artstyles a bit, but when all your films look the same you aren’t really mixing up anything. Pixar has had stylized films during their golden age like The Incredibles and Up, if they want to mix up their styles they should just make more stuff like that, Soul too is an example of a good stylized film. Illumination films unironically look better than most modern Pixar films, I also hate when people shit on Illuminations artstyle, it’s a cartoon, it’s supposed to look exaggerated.

I’m getting a bit off topic here but Pixar died after Toy Story 3, every film from their debut all the the way to 2010 is a masterpiece. Nowadays they milk sequels to death, aren’t attracting the same audience they had back during their golden age, and most of their modern films have child protagonists, which makes their films come across as shit made for kids rather than being made for everyone. Just make a film without a child protagonist already for fucks sake

Kys faggot

Yes Dreamworks also made The Bad Guys which is also 3d beanmouth slop, and Trolls to an extent, but that studio is known for having a varied listing. They made masterpieces like The Wild Robot this decade that aren’t bean mouth slop, they know how to properly mix up their artstyles.

Even Disney is making their films look better than Pixar. Their trailer for Zootopia 2 has a cool looking cartoony snake guy, I doubt Zootopia 2 is gonna be a good film story-wise given Disney’s current losing streak, but I like how zany and expressive they made this snake, looks perfectly like a 2d character translated into a 3d one, all the new characters shown briefly in the trailer look like that. I’m really hoping they go for a Hotel Transylvania-esque style with their animation by making the characters move like they’re 2D, 2D disney films featured plenty of wild expressions and characters which actually might be translated well into 3D here, I think this film might actually be good animation-wise.

Retard

Retard for what? Pointing out that Dreamworks is known for being a mixed bag? What’s the matter, did I insult your precious 3D beanmouth crap? I like when studios mix up artstyles but 3d beanmouth isn’t the way to go, make your 3d films wacky and expressive like Madagascar or Hotel Transylvania

Holy autism

That movie is wacky and expressive

see people discussing animation studios

ctrl+F "telecom"

famicom's, of course, in the thread

somehow his presence is barely felt here

Goddamn. Congrats, OP, you're worst than Famicom.

No way, OP isn't even derailing other threads

When you say "holy autism" I hope that means you aren’t worshipping autistic characters like holy deities

Especially not this bean mouth autistic spaz from THIS CARTOON DEADENDIA WHICH I FFUUUUUCKING HATE, I’m autistic and being represented as a bean mouth cartoon is a disgrace to the hard work I did as a cartoonist during my many past years where I try to make my work as cartoony as possible, but NOOOoOooOoO, they had to represent MY FUCKING KIND as a bean mouth cartoon, not something wacky, a Fucking BEAN MOUTH CARTOOOONNNN, FUCK THIS SHOW IM GLAD NETFLIX KILLED IT