Could wanked Pikachu win here? Also, discuss Tom Vs Wile or something, I don't know...
DEATH BATTLE!
Tom beats Wile E because Wile E will defeat himself.
According to NASA, the sun outputs 380000000000000000000000000 watts, or that many joules per second. The Pistol Star outputs 10 million times this energy, or 3800000000000000000000000000000000 joules.
Multiply that by 10 billion and we get 38000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 or 3.8e43 joules. According to VSBW (kek vsbw), this feat is making Superman's all time strongest form "High 4-C, Large Star" level at between 3.182x1042 to 2.923x1045 even at a highball kek
Well, Boota is a mole. Mole = ground dwelling animal. Ground dwelling animal in Pokemon is usually 80% a ground type (excepts being like, Hippodon line and Sandile line). So Boota would be a ground type.
BUT, this is Ash's Pikachu, who has taken down ground types before.
Brock's Onix, Brock's Geodude, a Cubone, a Golem (in the first movie), and two Rhydons
*JOBS*
Who am I?
He would've beaten Simon btw
Also Superman actually lost the fight, Zillo Valla had to distract Mandrakk and he never vanquished him either. Making this a certified fraud moment.
DC’s cosmology…
inb4 the ohnobsessedfag comes in and throws a tantrum
Would he have won ww2?
Boota evolves into a full humanoid, becoming a pokémon trainer. He then wills a masterball into existence and wins
Tom is also planetary minimum and I think he also has a galaxy-universal feat
eats boota and pikachu
Nature's a bitch.
I'M SIMON THE DIGGER! IF THERE'S A WALL IN MY WAY, I'LL SMASH IT DOWN!
don't make me post the pictures of things eating their way out of snakes
See "debunk" video on how Kyle should have won
Argument is that Simon can't just get infinitely stronger and it's a NLF
HAHAHAHAHAHA
It's like these niggers didn't even watch GL, holy SEETHE. Maybe Kyle would have won if he wasn't the biggest fraud in DB history sans Kraots.
Who are they getting to voice Tom('s screams)?
No, because WW2 Hal would've been there to whoop Alien H's ass.
But are the Ekans snakes?
Who is Kraots
The official GoW brand cereal.
plugs simon with harpoon gun
inflates him until he pops
continues digging
KINGTOS out of nowhere
The COOKBOOK obliterates all of crapcoms tiny verse.
solos DC with her outerversal boobs
Casually throws the DC and Marvel universes at Simon
HOLY FUAARRRK
Doesn't DC have a character who's whole gimmick was she has giant tits that hypnotize heroes? Introduced in like, either Titans or Young Justice? She's even a cat girl.
eating Kraots cereal today
look at the back of the box
"btw Kratos eats universe cereal everyday"
HOLY FUARK
Perhaps but Yoko would probably give her breast envy.
youtube.com
Tom
-better stats
-better feats
-is extremely intelligent himself
-actual proper toonforce
Wile
-better tech, but it always blows up in his face
-a better track record against non-Roadrunner opponents
How the fuck does Wile win?
M-my verse!
OH NO
HE IS GONNA GO
3-0
NO! He Can't grow infinitely!
Now here's why my character can grow infinitely
Why are they like this?
That large beer mug? Crushes all of DC, Marvel, TTGL and Dragon Ball.
No, I just remembered her. Mighty Endowed. Her tits are bigger than Yoko's.
Kneel. NOW.
Cook-Book scaling holy FUARK!!!
Smarter and might scale to toongod Bugs as well as the anti toon gun
Gold
Mighty Endowed
dance monkey dance
can't even depict boobs
Could Simon defeat this trio?
better stats
better feats
kek
The fight just comes down to "does Coyote fuck up with the anti toon gun or not?" Given Tom's stats and Rule of Funny I'd lean more toward Coyote fucking up
Honestly, out of the Capcom IPs in this image, I think only Date Muramase would give Kratos some trouble. MAYBE Ameterasu. And I dunno, maybe Zangief could bench press more than Kratos.
Even if they are bigger, Yoko scales above this feat and brought her boobs back. She could arguably just make hers bigger.
And as per imgur.com
“Gurren” is the story of a multiverse, so the “Gurren” you believe in is the truth!"
I choose to believe so! Kneel.
y-youre just obsessed
please disregard that I spam other boards too
With just TTGL yeah
better track record against non-Roadrunner opponents
The fuck? He jobs even more against those.
dude
wrong format, mobile poster lmfao you do realize there's a browser version of 4channel right?
Asura is lucky that Kratos didn't pull out the outerversal M2 Browning Machine gun mounted on a Humvee from the Original God of War ending.
BRING ME SIMON THE DIGGER!
please disregard that I spam other boards too
We know. We won't disregard it. You're actually a schizo.
He doesnt know about cosmic Tom
spam shit everywhere
intentionally ruin on topic discussion
call others obsessed when you’re called out
Is this the new brown tactic?
sameBITCH ezzzzzzz
Simon fears Megas XLR
new
less than a minute apart
post it
kaijutard pulled out his phone so what?
Ok yeah, it’s just a brown tactic at this point
Nikotranny melty
yeah bro! Wile can totally win with his....technology!
Are you...are you even listening to yourselves right now?
planet level fodder
Maybe they could be a quick warmup for Boota.
base thor feat
Uh oh
Wile will win because it'd be funnier
You forgot:
been doing this specific bit since August 2024
been spamming against kaiju with aiiiieeeeeeee posting since 2023
been spamming god bless and keep you to nikofag since 2021
Leave the Scarlet King at my feet, he'll know his place soon enough
Not really. Coyote is the villain while Tom is often times neutral. Rule of funny dictates the villain/aggressor loses
Um....Tombros....?
Legal in Texas.
the big bang
base arc-gurren level feat
this has been going on for four fucking years
Jesus
Scarlet King is mine you insect
Attack that nearly killed Simon.
Hal Jordan out of FUCKING nowhere
Didnt and ultimately became inconsequential next to him a minute later
AIIIIIIIE MY CHARACTER THAT TRANSCENDS SPACE AND TIME NEEDS QUALITATIVE DATA TO SCALE HIM, SAVE ME GENERAL RELATIVITIY.
two enemies they couldn't overcome COMBINE and Arc-Gurren still oneshots them
yup yup
Bros, the face of DC debunked it. It's over.
Anon asked how he could.
Never said he would
Isn't this the guy who seethed for 2 hours?
Ttgl is shit
Still not watching ttgl
Skipping ttgl vs kyle
No one cares, Raj.
ok
do you want a cookie for your brave statement
Yep, that one
someone posted the "post kyle destroying a galaxy" comment again
lmao
Pretty sure the guys saying it's the best anime ever are. Anime is garbage
but can Simon counter this?
meanwhile a stronger gurren
avatarfagging as his gay anime character
Pretty sure the guys saying it's the best anime ever are
Why would they care if you watched it? Who exactly are you to deserve such importance? I don't care that my friends are not interested in it so why would I care for someone as insignificant as you?
DCeethe
Benfags have been avenged
same mech
Kek.
why'd you want to avenge them?
I dont give a shit about kyle. Ttgl just sucks
youtube.com
Post the video next time, COWARD
kwab
okay do you feel like the main character? do you think your opinion is that important?
The most cucked character in shounen
Vs the most cucked character in capeshit
Go
outerversal wank
nlf wank
statements from guidebooks
use of gag feats
unironic 'cell sized universes'
Simonfags running the gauntlet of retarded battleboarder wank kek
Splash
Legit one of the most retarded powerscalers I’ve ever seen on YouTube, and that’s saying something.
The scarlet JOB
guidebooks
novels actually.
Literally impossible since for both of them it's most likely something that got cancelled in the 80s/90s and then quickly forgotten.
Eren Yeager
Peter Benjamin Parker
novels is the same as guidebooks
audio cd = gags
illiterate alert
Deku VS Miles out of NOWHERE
Current year 2025 Pokemon is still the highest but Hello Kitty was knocked down a peg. Mickey Mouse and Friends is the second highest followed by Winnie the Pooh. Kitty is right under Marvel.
Pictured: the final crossover between DC and Marvel before their comics stop making a (tiny) profit (very soon) and are forgotten
This canon cuck shit or fanon cuckshit?
Tom scales to this bear who can yank his own shots
that was the image in his head
literally headcanon
still pushing "novels/guidebooks are no different from cookbooks"
The producers confirm even Arc-Gurren could use the force of multiple universes, how is SGGL's 35+ trillion universes hard to believe when they jump straight to the officially INFINITE POWER TTGL after that?
Featherine would just be the one responsible for other death battle match ups in the first place, wouldn't she? Pitting characters from different universes against each other purely for fun.
Naruto is a fraud verse and I can't wait to see One Piece Gods expose this shit again.
I never really got how assuming Simon can grow stronger than Kyle in minutes was NLF.
Base Simon could do the multiplier necesarry to absorb the Labyrinth right, go from 3D to 11D. That’s some exponential growth, in cardinal numbers
So why can’t we say Simon in a higher form can’t do the same? Go from 11D to 19D against Kyle.
It’s like saying Goku shouldn’t be able to stack Kaio-Ken to MUI
Disney should be the highest here since it owns and profits off of half of the IPs here.
Outerversal rock
b-but that's against da rules!
I don’t know. I feel they blew their load with Imu too early
Posts this
On the day they announce Deadpool vs Batman, the least creative crossover they could do.
Nice
The funny thing is that they also said Kyle could also grow infinitely stronger over the course of the fight, just not as quickly as Simon, but obviously none of the DCniggers seem to complaining about an NLF on their side of the field
Because uh um err—look, you just can’t, okay?!
Wait until powerscalers find out that NLF isn’t a real fallacy and exists solely for battleboarding.
HOLY KINO!
YOU'RE JUST AN NLF
If I had the energy I'd edit Simon into this gif.
So why is DC so fixated on the numbed 52? I can't imagine it is because of the number of weeks in a year.
Been listening to Spiral of Emotion for a whole day almost non-stop and still can't get enough of P
It's ironic how DCfags can't accept that TTGL is whole other level of bullshit
I think it CAN exist. Like how they say “thsi sword can cut anything” in a wall level setting.
But NLF shouldn’t be applies to stuff that’s said to be ever growing, it should be judged for pace not potential
I see you changed your outfit, Slade.
Fanon would just be goku vs superman again
I'll check it out
Attosecondbros...m-my knees...
Dead Pool is beyond fiction thoughbeit. He's Ryan Reynolds!
They HAVE to show these guys teaming up against a wanked Deathstroke
I remember when this used to be spammed.
Holy kek all the simonfags hopping on this post
NLF will be prominent as a term because simonfags are insufferable
Why don’t you explain why Simon can’t repeat the exponential spike of Spiral Power again if he starts from STTGL as his new base
Simon the Digger doesn't have haki
Holy FUARK!
only the Nega-chin is beyond fiction
No, that's exactly why. After Infinite Crisis DC released a series called '52' which was meant to be one issue per week and was meant to chronicle about the 52 universes and DC's new cosmology while also telling a compelling story on its own. It was hugely popular and successful and thus the 52 number stuck.
If it didn't, it would have just become like any of the random stories where a character says DC has an infinite multiverse or something. Instead DC went full ham with it and was very explicit about 52 universes.
I don't like it so it's not real
Simon can do ANYTHING
So weaker than the Big Bang, got it.
Brand new NoLimitsMan?
Meanwhile Morrison said that Superman infinitely transcends himself who transcends you who infinitely transcends himself who transcends you ad infinitum, ad hoc
If Simon can grow infinitely (meaning he is potentially infinite), Superman is the definite article. The actual infinity.
Kekkypow!
Arc-Gurren could use the force of multiple universes
Arc shits itself trying to stop a moon-sized mech from punching the Earth and Simon finds it hard to believe he could control something that big
A bit hard yeah
why don't you explain why my playground logic is shit and annoying
Simon can do ANYTHING
My god it's going to be satisfying seeing the public opinion swing back against Simon
meanwhile the strongest superman:
My god it's going to be satisfying seeing the public opinion swing back against Simon
yeah that's not happening anytime soon
No, in all honesty, if we consider a Ult ipkiss in strength, why can’t we assume that multiplee can be applied to the new base mid battle?
moon-sized mech
controlled by the unbound by dimensions, space and time, infinite power Anti-Spiral
the same mech that was later harnessing the power of several universes
at least try anon
I am not touching a gag manga with a 50 ft pole.
Superman
Galactus's errand boy.
Heh, everyone's going to hate Simon for being a no limits man after Superman got away with doing the same thing for decades any second now!
At most Featherine would be on par with Simon. Any higher and she wouldn't have any will upon the nature of the narrative as she would become the narrative.
Based
Deadpool, help me! This is an axeable shounen jump manga's sales we're up against!
In timeless, spaceless consciousness, the singular human mind blurs into a direct experience of the totality of all consciousness that has ever been or will ever be.
Simon bros… Superman experiences this “all the time, every day” according to Luthor… meaning he by himself is the merged Multiversal Labyrinth of not only all versions of himself, but all versions of every possible consciousness. It’s OVER.
posting fan wiki
How pathetic, looks like the win got to the Simontards' head
FAA is basically what would happen if you redid Simon's cosmology scaling from a baseline human, and becoming the narrative is an in universe concept to Umineko when things logically verses can scale higher without OHH MY CHINK DEATH philosophy
iphonefag
superman version that would just be erased by otoko simon
yawn
DCfags crying that Simon's NLF is obnoxious when Superman has done the exact same shit for years and no one cared
talk about throwing stones in glass houses
So since Wile v tom is a stomp what's next?
That's not what this screencap fucking says at least read the shit you're blatantly outsourcing from someone else
That’s literally what the screencap says doe
You WILL love me...
I love your wife.
Goku shouldn't be able to stack KK with MUI though. MUI is foregoing the conscious mind to allow the body to act. KK is closer to UE where the user is forcing the body to act in a certain manner. Goku might be able to harness it in the state he used to get the one over on Gas, but it is still defeating the point of UI as a mental state.
The entire justice league...
..Bejita to Goku...
crushed his hand
destroyed his verse
stole his job
cucked him from his green alien GF
Can it get any worse?
Lex Luthor...
Mega Man X vs DCAU Amazo.
Death Battle curse means DC will probably finally give him an adaptation or his own series again
implying the Anti-Spiral doesn't nerf himself to the level of his enemy
Simonbros...we don't watch the show...
Morrison’s ideal Superman (Superman at his “best”, or how Death Battle would use him) canonically transcends himself infinitely through self-reference, and is also one with all possible consciousness in his spirit
Simon can only ascend infinitely linearly, while Superman is already infinitely above himself without the need to ascend
Simon can only absorb infinite versions of his own consciousness, while Superman is automatically one with infinite versions of every consciousness that could possibly exist in infinitude
B-b-but… it’s valid for Simon but not for Superman… because reasons or something
You know, after years of smug superiority driven ego stroking. It's nice to see DCfags be taken down a few pegs and have their tail between their legs by having one of their golden big boy cosmic characters lose, and now and trying every trick in the book to downplay it. And by an anime character no less, doing what DBfags never could
humans start using universe level mech
universe level power mech starts to awake to crush it so the other humans lose hope
Anon... did you?
Oh god I do remember something like that now. How many storylines from N52 are basically narrative deadends nowadays? I know Kyle and the White Lantern Corps are one.
NONONO SIMON CAN'T HAVE A NLF THAT'S NOT FAIR
It feels so fucking satisfying to see DCfags get a taste of their own medicine for once. It's delicious.
Oh, you don’t know the half of it
Why are brown db spics still crying about Goku? Goku can't breathe in space nor can he survive a planetary explosion like Frieza. Take it up with the corporate heads at Toei or message Toyotaro on xitter.
Would Amazo coping X fuck himself over if they gave X the mother elf?
kek
"When things logically verses can scale higher"
I'm sorry, I think you may have missed a word or two here.
otoko victim
Row Row, Fight the Power!
What if Amazo copies to the point where he has his own Mother Elf :0
Everyone likes the idea of Superman and some people like some versions of Superman, but the people that love this extremely unwieldly version of Superman as exists within the most literal interpretation of Infinite Frontiers and onwards are limited to just DCscalers.
So that's to say, sorry Supes, but I like your cartoons.
The bear that gaped Kratos vs the gorilla that bit Hulk
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE
NONONO YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT MY ANIME TWINK CAN DO ANYTHING
Lmao actual playground tantrum from simonfags
100% the kids who would come up with bullshit powers and ruin it for everyone else
K,b,c
*Faces Azathoth and Type IV cosmology*
I'm sure to win because my willpower is superior
The KING of Anon Babble.
Simon could only transcend one level of ‘realness’ above his multiverse
Kwab
Dcfags saying this after 100 years of exactly this
Kek
Logically verses can scale higher than two hierarchies of uncountable infinity*
Why is DC so weak? Anyone with common sense knew Gurren Lagann was winning
Lmao. This is the only "we're up against" joke that has made me laugh.
My king...
Capefag having the balls to call any other verse "bullshit and overpowered"
lol
You wouldn't think it, but Jade is actually fully human. Her mom just had plant powers that manifested in Jade and as a result she has chlorophyll in her skin.
“Gurren” is the story of a multiverse, so the “Gurren” you believe in is the truth!"
Nice, I can just say that I can just believe in the Simon who will win every matchup.
DCoper crying about anyone else having bullshit powers
FOP has fiction capable of transcending to the real world with willpower
Jimmy scales to this with his stuff
DEXTERSISSIES QUICK WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO SCALE DEXTER TO THE INFINITE R>F COMIC SOMEHOW
Jimmy vs Dexter is a fun debate that’s sadly been ignored over all these sensationalist matchups recently. They both can do basically anything, but I think Jimmy wins probably because he can adapt better.
so who wins between GvS2 Superman and SvK Simon?
They're due for a 3D filler, I say Aang vs Genshin
Dexter is a better fighter and more consistent. Jimmy's a wild card where his stuff can be busted but tends to backfire more often than not
Probably, Mother Elf should shut him down before he gets any moar hax
The one who broke The Source ie Simon
Jimmy works better under pressure but Dexter has more nonsense tech might come down to if Dexter can just stomp before Jimmy bullshits an answer with shit he slaps together
Superbitch kneels and squeals to the one who pierced the heavens.
That’s right. But Death Battle’s ruleset would favor Jim since it takes their “peaks” over consistency. Peak Jim was dropped into a different universe with different laws of physics and was put up against a guy with a whole arsenal of reality-warping weapons (Crocker) and came out on top.
Anti-Spiral: ah fuck this universal mech just took control of a multiversal mech and got a power up....TAKE THIS, PLANET ATTACK
got any more statements?
6D (less dimensions than the real world) at most
their universes are weaker than real universes
their fastest character is explicitly just lightspeed
this means their universe must be tiny because Superman can just fly around it without issue and sub-light speed
if you break Earth the entire cosmology just dies
DC materials are weaker and flimsier than real world materials
Superman knocks himself out everytime he does anything with the moon
the absolute strongest characters in the setting get hurt by smashing planets into each other and are scared of 'star shaking impacts' and need to use vast amounts of technology and energy beyond their command to bust a single universe
the emotional spectrum the Lanterns command is finite
their universe is finite
the peak of their cosmology is 2D
a single man who could see an atom as an omniverse in Marvel could BTFO all of DC
every single character is a cuck, a nigger, or a faggot and they happily throw Pride parades where characters like Tim Drake and Superman's own son break up with their girlfriends and prostrate their bussies for tranny cocks
worse sales than Marvel, no film universe, DCEU was considered the butt of a joke, Superman movie will flop
have lost their powerscaling wank status on VSBW, comicvine, spacebattles, reddit, Anon Babble, and now even the last bastion death battle has finally abandoned them
Batman who's just a normal man has to carry the weight of the entire universe on his back and he's constantly memed as a fascist who's boyfriends with a genocidal mass killer and who beats up poor people because they can't afford bread
Is DC the weakest universe of all time?
Superman gives another halo to another victim.
admittedly superman is at his peak when there's more focus on his character than his strength. when you boil him down to "the guy that solos your verse" it just becomes annoying and disrespectful to the character and thank god DB fixed that in GvS3. he does have a limit to how much shit he can take, and he has mission to overcome that limit. but instead of superforms like goku, it's with smarts and strategy.
Their peaks are pretty much the same. They're both multiversal thanks to their comics
Planet
Kek they're in another dimension in that shot. They are not normal planets anon
now you know how gokufags feel.
The DCfag recoils in horror at this visage
Isn't Cartoon Networks shared cartoon multiverse canon to Dexter?
Sorry but I just can't buy into anything past an uncountable infinity. Once you reach that point, there's not a conceivable way of representing the notion as you would need a number that cannot be represented within the entire continuum of Real Numbers. Complex numbers might be the first notion to jump to as a set larger than all Real Numbers, but the two sets have the same cardinality given that a double injectjon is possible between them.
We are the strongest, after all.
Will our king Tom join them?
Go read Wikipedia articles on Tegmark
it's just going to be an extreme version of what they said in Goku vs Superman 2
Simon has infinite potential while Superman has no limits
Canon
Dexter’s best wincon is probably the Neurotomic Protocore but Jimmy has that one camera that can duplicate anything it captures, flipping its morality to the user, while deleting the original from existence. It could even work on whole planets. Basically an insta-win.
If DC never invented the concept of Sundips with the Our Worlds at War storyline, there could have been a chance at preserving the notion of Superman just being as strong as he needs to be, but sundips kinda invalidate the notion.
His only form is that he can become gold.
well it's definitely canon to Powerpuff Girls but you could say they're all canon thanks to bumpers but then you'll have to say the same for Jimmy and the rest of the Nicktoons like SpongeBob and Zim
need a number that cannot be represented within the entire continuum of Real Numbers.
DCfags don't look...
Ah right bumpers scaling favors Jimmy. Could have sworn the Powerpuffs had a canon cross with DC that could buff Dexter everything points to those being non canon
Jimmy Neutron transcends SpongeBob as sees him as fiction
Spongebob in the second movie wrote himself into reality and defeated a villain who wrote reality so that SpongeBob would always lose
BEAST
Basically this. All he needs to do is just dip into the sun once and he has his strength back.
Godzilla's new comic has fat tits on the front.
B-but he has no limits...
He also has a very powerful AI guardian in case he is out of action.
both have ways of instantly winning
debate turns into a quick-draw debate
Jimmy wins thanks to bullshit speed
Cheese Ray was right from the start
THIS CHARACTER HAD PLANETS THROWN AT HIM! HE’S ONLY PLANET LEVEL!
look inside
the planets did zero damage on impact and he didn’t even flinch
AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Doesnt Dexter have a device that gives him the speed boost over Jimmy?
those would've casually killed MOONLEVELman btw
He has a helmet that can slow down time (making him relatively faster) but Jimmy has a time travel remote that can slow down and speed up time, and he made a version of it while stuck in the Jurassic period using sticks and mud.
Even without time manipulation Jimmy pilots across universes manually with his fucking carnival rocket. It’s not really comparable.
No lies detected
"AS IF THOSE PEBBLES... WOULD WORK ON US!"
god I love yuri lowenthal
Future Jimmy becomes a normie with a bitch wife
Future Dexter becomes a CHAD and most likely hooks up with DeeDee's cutie asian friend
Yeah pretty sure Dexter takes it.
Can you explain the notion you are trying to communicate? I'm not really a fan of Tegmark's approach as it appears to be innately unfalsifiable.
Sticks you say? Timmy the Termite solos
Kyle lost
Black Adam using a Yellow Lantern Ring lost
Wile, a former Green Lantern, will lose
Sinestro gets GAPED by Morgoth or Terumi
Guy Gardner will lose to Ryuji or Johnny Storm
John Stewart loses all of his matchups too
LanternGODS.....did we really deserve all of this for Hal PEDOdan killing a child?
Wait can we scale Jimmy to MEGAS XLR via the MMO?
Fuck! I meant Dexter kek
Hasn't Tom died way more times than Coyote?
How about Atrocitus? Will he keep red lanterns out of the loser zone?
Timmy the Termite eats all of Jimmy’s inventions
Jimmy just creates a time remote from sticks and reverses time so he has all his inventions again
Timmy can only eat metal, so Jimmy could hypothetically do this infinitely
Dexter bros…
He got better and peak Tom is broken
If they put him up against 40k things he should win easily enough
Who the fuck cares about Ben 10 at this point? It's more dead than capeshit.
He needed very specific gems to power it so he wouldnt be able to just cobble one together with just sticks
This is just a new buzzword in the battleboarding space to one up the notion of a Platonic reality. It still fails to properly depict this number outside the continuum of Real Numbers.
Tom has tons of feats of being able to reform himself instantly after being killed, you can't even kill him by writing him out of existence
I don't think Wile has ever done that without scaling to other Toons
brain blast
problem solved
>Guy Gardner will lose to Ryuji or Johnny Storm
>John Stewart loses all of his matchups too
Neither of these are true
Tom actually has several wins courtesy of the setup of Tom and Jerry allowing him wins
Coyote has far less wins and has very powerful NEGATIVE toon force, as in the universe will warp itself to force him to lose
Generally speaking if Tom loses it's directly because of the actions of Jerry, while Coyote's biggest enemy is himself
Frankly, that should be the reason Coyote loses
Depends on how much they buy into 40k wank
That has failed before
Lanterns face things that would serve the chaos gods for breakfast on like a daily basis
40k at heart is still a tabletop, one of the strongest things in 40k is a device that can destroy stars, singular stars
it crossed over with Super Friends in a bumper
Hey, that's a match for cosmic armor superman.
I mean yes that’s one wincon for Dexter
Likewise Dexter has no counter to Jimmy just taking a photograph of him, creating a copy of Dexter with morality flipped and deleting the original Dexter from existence
It’s a matter of speed and Jimmy is faster
New
Since like 2015 space battles kek.
I'm not saying it's real or not, it being hard to grasp that "unreal numbers are real somewhere else" isn't exactly provable and plenty of people have criticized it validly.
But it's answers "why these numbers are real and not others?" and the answer is those numbers are real, just not here.
Mathmeticians are afraid we're just gonna keep digging downward until we find literal mathematical structures constituting everything.
At the end of the day, the universe is "made" out of math or it isn't and and isn't looking good for the "it isn't crowd"
CHAD CHADner beats all of his match-ups, and some out of them at same time, pleb
He also wins the lantern battle royale
I think you are underselling that thing. Its more like if you had a lantern ring conjure a star map, then deleting something on said star map it actually goes bye bye in reality. Also that thing was considered one of the shitter "safe to keep around" devices from the War of Heaven days.
Jimmy beats Dexter because he advocates rape
Dexter vs Jimmy as a fight would just be Dexter dominating in the first two minutes before Jimmy gets a brainblast and wins
the other devices haven't been mentioned though, and the Necrons can't even control it properly, which is why they don't use it
and still that's just a device that governs a single galaxy, compared to even reasonable DC scaling, Lanterns are far far above that
Another factor is that 40k characters, by virtue of needing to be tabletop compatible, do not have speed feats
You don't really get a lot faster than "faster than the human eye can follow"
Definitely not multi-FTL which is what every Lantern scales to these days
allowed his main villain to get shrunk down, transformed into his mother, and get micro-raped by his good friend Carl
Jimmy is based
That just reads as a god in the gaps type argument. It isn't a matter of the numbers being real or not as it is the set of real numbers vs the set of unreal numbers would have to be compatible with a bijection because of our definitions of an infinite set.
Dexter summons Deedee bot and forces a brawl when she screws both their kits at which point Dexter dominates since he can actually throw down
Holy sexts
Jimmy confirmed beats Dexter… Dexterbros…
OH NO NONONONONO
DEXTERSISSIES, XISCORD EMERGENCY MEETING NOW!!!!
I'm quivering at my knees looking at this... FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!
In the powerfag sense I imagine them bullshitting some goofy stuff for Angron since Chaos just ignores physics and such
can you consider this planet level though
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It's weird that keeping yourself young is just a power Green Lanterns have. Not because it is a weird super power, but because it is just seems unnecessary when you already have a sliding time scale. Or was that a more recent invention?
That just reads as a god in the gaps type argument.
If you go on Anon Babble it's flooded with christians seething at math realism for this exact reason, funny enough.
wins because Simon can just grow more powerful faster and greater
I liked how this also fraudchecks other fandom: OMPfags
lmao, Muratard
planets turn into white fireballs from the energy imposed on them
yeah i don't think they're just planets lol
FLOPguy thinks he's part of the team
Deedee bot versus Jimmy’s nanobots
Kino
Post the whole comic.
Guy was so retarded he fell for rope a dope and nearly died
What's Dexter gonna do when they start saying
DELETE
DELETE
DELETE
DELETE?
Megasbros... we're POWERFUL?
youtube.com
Post Tom destroying a planet.
deletes you on an informational level
literally the one thing that can kill Simon, given to Jimmy Neutron’s second fiddles
Dexterbros…
Wasn't DB a part of RT who are fucking dead as far as I remember? The fuck did I miss?
Tom vs Coyote
ends with both of them hanging off a cliff by their fingertips
Jerry and Roadrunner show up
Jerry helps Tom up, Roadrunner speeds off leaving Coyote to die
Would it be a good ending?
To answer the second part, here's kind of what I was getting at:
en.wikipedia.org
youtube.com
Tegmark's universe logically gives a thought experiment on an infinity "bigger" than uncountable infinity but frankly I am too stupid to explain it
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Throughout its show, Megas XLR has fought several blatantly planet-level or higher threats, and witnessed many scenes of planetary destruction. Funnily enough, Megas actually has no means of scaling to them physically. Let’s go over every instance to clear them up.
Starting with the planet eater, a massive alien that… supposedly eats planets and kinda looks like Unicron. Should be pretty straightforward right? Well, Megas failed to do any damage at all with its rockets and fists [7:57], only being able to beat it by causing a chemical reaction and attacking its digestive system with a soda missile [17:55]. There’s no way to scale Megas to it at all. Oh yeah. It's also not planet sized. It's smaller than the moon. Lol.
Then we have Grrkek, a powerful alien that is stated to have caused the destruction of several planets [0:47]. Sounds promising, right? Well… the monster is depowered once it arrives on Earth [8:15]. When he gets his power back, Megas can actually cause no damage to it whatsoever [18:40], casually getting bitchslapped around. We also get an explanation to how he destroys planets, by generating a fusion reaction with a giant Frieza Death Ball [18:59]. He then gets shrunk and depowered by a tidal wave before he can nuke the Earth [20:40]. There’s no way to scale Megas to it at all.
Another powerful alien Megas has fought was Ender, a Voltron knockoff villain who states he has “destroyed planets and galaxies”[12:30]. Megas fails to actually do damage to him, gets casually thrown around and toyed with, and its energy is depleted [14:20]. The only way Megas could even start to harm and defeat him was by fusing with the knockoff V|o,tron, which was actually an amp that raised Megas’ energy levels to heights exponentially higher than its base [16:43].
So yeah, scaling Megas to Ender’s power is impossible, as it needed a temporary amp to defeat him.
Next is the photonic stabilizer, which explodes and destroys a planet [21:04]. Well, as you can see, Megas doesn’t get caught in it and nothing survives. Also it’s caused by a malfunction and can’t really be translated to power or durability.
Then we have the destruction of Halcyon, a Cybertron knockoff in the Transformers parody episode. There’s actually nothing at all indicating that they scale. The planet is destroyed by Megas accidentally starting a fire [20:40] which gradually grows bigger and for some reason causes the planet to explode minutes later [21:55]. Megas isn’t hit by the explosion and no one survives, making scaling to the destruction of Halcyon impossible.
We are shown in some episodes that Megas has buttons that are supposed to “destroy the world”, but they are obviously never used, and we don’t know how they’d actually destroy it (be it a beam, or a missile or whatever).
TL;DR: Megas failed to do any damage to the only directly planetary enemies it fought, and the planet destruction that happens in the series is impossible to scale to because it’s either a chain reaction or something Megas avoids completely.
Actually, you’re below Sym-Bionic Titan
Deedee Bot
DB peeled itself away from RT after WB closed down the studio. RT eventually bought themselves out from under WB. DB did a kickstarter for a new season.
First episode of new season is Bardock vs Omni-Man.
Best episodes to watch are Bowser vs Eggman and Simon vs Kyle.
Huh, guess retarded power level fags have more passion than RWBYfags
Soon
shit matchup
all these words
Would kind of be outside help. I can see Jerry giving Tom a victory banner as they both laugh off that crazy encounter before some slapstick happens and Tom chases Jerry again. Meanwhile Roadrunner zips to Coyote's corpse and goes MEEP MEEP before zooming off
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It’s a popular MU
The 03 turtles unironically shit stomp thanks to tengu shredder
so is Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter, still shit
Dude, I like Megas but Coop really cany hang with anyone above mountain
tom and Jerry multiversal tree scaling is far more logical and consistent than KEKtos will ever be
via FUCKING XIANXIA OF ALL THINGS
maybe that's better yeh, still do think a factor that is fun to account for is that Tom and Jerry can in fact cooperate
nope
Doesn't MEGAS explicitly have a retcon button?
To be fair just because it's outside help in the animation doesn't mean they'd have to consider it for the conclusion.
They're 100% going for some sappy narrative like
Wile may be determined, but this gives him tunnel vision that blinds him to his faults and always makes him lose
Tom's actual friendship with Jerry led to him acquiring a lot more skills and everything he needed to defeat Wile
That’s a fan edit
I don't really feel team RWBY got any stronger after season 5, they only got more retarded and basically doomed their world
CHINKS STRONK
I’m talking about
He’s talking about it
Seems the only one upset is you
Good, I want to to be a skill mog
MEGASISSIES…
to be fair, when you're talking about toons, stuff like that genuinely makes sense
if the narrative for Wile is that he never wins, while the narrative for Tom is that he can win, then that should mean that if both of them go up against eachother, the one that the narrative actually lets win, should win
The hard truth is, no it doesn't. I once marathoned the entire series and never saw it. It does have the "Five Minutes Until End of Episode", that one is legit.
I’m surprised we haven’t gotten Dexter vs Jimmy yet considering it’s a toon matchup that fits more in line with sci-fi antics than toonforce circlejerks. Maybe one of the most overdue fights.
just fuck off listroon
Ah it was a fan edit then. Rip
It really is long over due hopefully it's an in-between episode after then next kick starter matchups
So the issue here is that it creates a paradox of an infinite set that is more infinite than any infinite set. The stance that has been developed is to instead treat the object that defines cardinals as a class. Rather than containing all cardinal numbers, it gives the 'formula'/blueprint for what a cardinal number is and from which can be implemented to describe a specific cardinal number.
nothing in the rules say he must never win as he has won once
Damn, and even that version at his PEAK, got severely damaged by a dwarf star level attack?
Lmao. Green lantern rings grant greater endurance to their users. Guy saw the signs and knew Hal had the weight of blue midgets behind him - so he threw. If it was fight with rings, Guy would win. Guy can easily contain Hal, John and 6+ other lanterns if he wants to.
Also isn't it funny that even after losing ring, Guy goes on fighting the good fight - whereas every time Hal loses it, he just goes to sulk in corners of Ferris aerospace?
It was Guy’s idea to fight hand to hand so he didn’t know shit
Maybe read stuff outside feats threads
So does this guy
the only guy Rick couldn’t beat
Rick canonically beat a Simon expy recently
Simon bros?
this sort of lines it out though
the Roadrunner doesn't actually harm Coyote, his failures are always 100% self induced
which means that this would also translate into deathbattle with him being his own worst enemy
this was fucking cool. I love how Kyle was into it and decided to play along out of respect
This is the coolest thing Ever
Saint Seiya fucking when
Wow this is completely incoherent, but it looks pretty I guess.
Toei scaling eats the episode out of existence
When?
Light existed before the speed of light was born?
it's not just the narrative of the wile cartoons themselves, it's the overall narrative that death battle will use
wile gets screwed over by ACME himself, the roadrunner never fighting back or really ever interacting with him in a way that's not just 'lol you're a dumb nigger' and just trolling him means he has significantly less actual combat experience than tom. jerry actually fights back and makes it so that tom has to improve while wile never will and inevitably screws himself over because that's all he can ever do
He means faster than the concept of light
Nunca.
on a funny note, Yu-Gi-Oh! is now the third most seen anime this season in japan
Yugioh 5D's specifically
Yugi bros why don't more people watch our season...
Fine
Seagal vs Cruise when
Beerus is dodging them
Tom and Jerry make Popeye look like a bitch m.youtube.com
Kyle scales to Hal who absorbed an infinity of lanterns from throughout his multiverse with more dimensions and did it in in instant.
Simon wins because he absorbed 11 dimensional universes over a much longer time.
I do not understand this.
Stardust Dragon is pretty badass
Huh? Did they finally beat Pokémon and Digimon?
You see, Kyle had the potential to do that, but he doesn't know how to do that and never did it, so he didn't. Or something like that. The point is the feat was used to scale his potential to Hal but not his actuality.
They said it was because Simon could surpass that. Which makes sense when you understand Simon's whole thing is proving his potential.
It was Guy’s idea to fight hand to hand so he didn’t know shit
No, that's what I meant when I said he threw the fight. It's repeated theme that Hal wins a pure slugging match, but Guy has stronger willpower and ring-wielding skills. Agreeing to gents' rules is tantamount to throwing as until warrior that his boxing power becomes stronger - and would you have it, Hal stops proposing these pure fistfights after that, LMAO
Guy agrees to them becuase he knews that someone like Hal wouldn't hesitate to cause collateral damage in ring-on-ring duels
Over a long time? It was like one minute after he helped everyone out
Not to mention, that’s just fresh out of the Labyrnth Simon, as in, behind TTGL and STTGL. See it’s not about WHAT they did, but the escalation. Simon can get from 0 to 1000 in a minute, right to use a metaphor.
So even if he and Kyle start off the same, the much they should, Kyle’s growth rate isn’t fast enough to keep up if the both start from say 1 million
They won 7 academy awards, no other MOUSE can say that!
Mickeysisters...
By doing what? Absorbing another infinity of 11 dimensional universes while his opponent absorbs an infinity of 12.3 dimensional universes and does it faster? The Hal feat is the labyrinth feat but better in every way.
Doctor Gooner likes Konami slop
Eh, historically no. There’s a reason Guy never does anything of note and is even shown to be scared of Hal
A minute is significantly longer than Hal who did it near-instantly.
But the escalation
The Hal feat was a greater escalation and what is more lanterns are stronger than the universe they're in so he's not just getting higher dimensional universes with every activation of the feat he's getting universes+.
Relatively soon maybe
I HAVE THE BEST WIFE IN THE UNIVERSE!
I HAVE THE BEST HUSBAND IN THE UNIVERSE!
I never thought of it that way but you're kind of right.
Lantern batteries > Universes
"In brightest day in blackest night" > a minute
If he gets the battery from Wildstorm he gets 10,000 dimensions
He can just keep doing it because DC is not only infinite but infinitely expansive
It is actually better than the labyrinth feat in every single way.
Bring me Simon…
t. midwit
They thought of the feat in terms of "how powerful Kyle is" not really in terms of how much Kyle could absorb if that makes any sense.
Nia's dead. It doesn't matter. Simon is alone.
I love Saga but I really doubt his mindfuckery can work against a literal schizo
not in all continuities tho
There are 52 universes in DC
Were.
Story about Guy getting cucked by a dying man
Will Tom King ever write anything good
How is it better? It’s the same range but you know Hal didn’t absorb the Multiverse right? He just got all batteries to sync up. It’s range, sure but Simon absorbed the labrynth
Not anymore
Batteries are greater than universes going by their own logic and blackboxes. Syncing with a battery is a greater feat than absorbing the universe it's in.
Hakai has to be one of the worst existence erasures I’ve seen in fiction. It’s powered by destruction energy, but that energy itself seems to depend on the user’s strength or “quality” of destruction. If your destruction energy is weak, then your Hakai is going to be ineffective.
We saw this clearly when Sidra sent a Hakai orb to erase Goku. That moment led many fans to believe Goku has some kind of resistance to existence erasure. But
A) Goku was actively resisting it, and
B) If he had failed, he would’ve been completely erased.
The very fact that Goku was able to struggle against and resist it shows just how shit Hakai really is. Any ability that can be overcome through sheer effort or power inverse is a weak hax.
Not really, it’s not even draining it dry. That would be different. That’s like saying my phone syncing up with your Bluetooth means my phone can handle 200 percent power
And nothing of value was lost.
Fight basically went
Kyle started 1.3+ dimensional infinities stronger
However that didnt mean much since Simon could just multiple dimensions of infinity in an instant.
Both can continuously amp toward infinities infinitely
However Simon does this at a faster rate so he'd surpass Kyle and hard
Kyle is also reliant on a battery while Simon isn't
Which makes it cooler as a schizo slugfest
It's syncing all the energy of the batteries to accomplish a task. It's the same thing. If I sync a billion lightning bolts to strike you it doesn't matter if they go directly through me when they hit you.
This is canon btw
Wtf,
Also, Kyle doesn't have the best track record of handling infinite power.
Under the episode's reasoning Simon probably would have won even if he could never match Kyle in power, because Kyle can't kill him and will eventually run out of charge.
Except he didn’t even weaponize it, he used it to make a Cosmic Grail, it has nothing to do either attack potency or destructive capacity
And again, it doesn’t specificy how MUCH power he took from each one so you can’t say it’s a multiverse’s worth
Multiple infinity in an instant.
So did Hal.
Simon does it at a faster rate
Hal's feat was faster.
Kyle is reliant on a battery
Hal can create his ring and battery from his own willpower.
Before this happens he, in being thrust into Ultrawar (all stories in the multiverse attacking each other), reconstitutes all versions of himself (including the Spectre) and resolves all contradictions in his essence.
Then a few issues after this he goes on to absorb all lantern batteries in the multiverse, with the grail (the thing he’s powering on Earth-15) being a hyperobject that exists as effectively the platonic form of all lantern batteries. And if you take Willworld seriously, a singular lantern battery is a multiverse whose essence when absorbed allows you to see reality as merely a fiction and make fiction into reality, that’s what the story with Hal as a kid meant at the end of it.
Kyle. Isn't. Hal.
Creation is a greater act than destruction. And it does specify. It took every single battery in the multiverse. It is explicitly a multiverse's worth.
CIA war criminal slop
Tom King is never canon
Guy never does anything of note
Are we reading the same comics? Sure, he doesn't get the spread-pages worth of glazing that would make six-year old ashamed, but he's consistently based whenever he's in literally anything
Hal needed time to make his own ring
Holy fuck this feat really is the labyrinth feat but better in every way how the hell didn't Kyle win?
Sorry anon. Kyle was deemed vastly more powerful than Hal. Fighting children is more Hal's tier
How anyone could pick Nia over this is just...mind boggling.
Simon has no Haki
Scarlet King has no Haki
Because he's DC's potential man
Post-renegade he made one in an instant out of manhunter scrap.
If Simon has infinite willpower and can basically do anything, why didn't he will his wife back into existence? Is he stupid?
No it took “POWER”, not “DRAINED THEM ALL”, if he did that there wouldn’t have been anything left in those batteries? Hal himself compared it to starting an engine, not replacing the entire vehicle
Hal fuses with all versions of himself
Jesus, they really do borrow a lot from Gurren Lagann
He took power
From all of them at once. If a finite amount of power was needed it wouldn't have explicitly been every single lantern across the infinite multiverse.
Why weren't they drained?
Because he gave the power back after the task was done.
Solomon Kane vs Geralt when?
Actually it was Morrison referencing a moment from Spectre Hal which predates GL.
The reason Simon won is that he'd eventually get stronger and manage to tire Kyle out. There. Does that make more sense now
What I think they intended to convey, and maybe I'm wrong about this, was that Kyle as a white lantern had the potential to be more powerful than Hal's feat but that like with the Life Equation he can't help but fumble at the finish line. It does make me interested in what they have to say about Hal vs Simon. Maybe it'll be a podcast episode one day?
and no one cared
I wish no cared. The amount of hate Supes got in the Death Battle community post-GVS2 because of the NLF bs literally made some fans consider banning DC heralds from the show. Not to mention Hal win furthered this opinion. There was a coordinated campaign from trannimefags from Death Battle and wider versus community to make look like the most boring character ever. (which wasn’t a hard argument to make because of the long list of shitty Superman media that existed at the time.)
I have a theory that part of the reason OPM became popular in the west because “le now we have a anime character that can beat Superman! Lol”
Why would Simon pick his brother sloppy seconds
Yeah Kyle always fumbles the bag when it comes to reaching truly godly levels of power.
No he didn’t.
He says his ring is “running on Grail energy@ and he needed the Golden guy’s help anyways
Because look at her! I dare you to find a hotter redhead in all of anime. Possibly fiction.
Geralt is a fraud who gets stomped by a kid with a pitchfork
I have a theory that part of the reason OPM became popular in the west because “le now we have a anime character that can beat Superman! Lol”
Implying OPMtards are not capeshitfags
Morrison gets entirely too much of a free pass when it comes to writing as he desires. It is bad for the health of DC's setting to constantly have these stories be considered "in-verse" rather than totally detached from it.
Running on Grail energy
Which he absorbed because Hal is DC's version of Dr. Doom and powerjacks everything.
Golden guy's help
In that the golden guy told him what to do, in much the same way Kamina's spirit told Simon what to do. Again the Hal feat is the multiverse labyrinth feat but every aspect of it is better.
Considering Time Travel is retconned now, his ass probably getting drilled too
Even fused with the Spectre
Holy fuck Simonfags gloat why you can because you are on borrowed time.
He explicitly told the Cosmic Grail children to treat after him because rhyme and rhythm was how they tuned energy and matter
Death Battle actually didn't want to use Superman for any other fight as a result.
I dare you to find a hotter redhead in all of anime. Possibly fiction.
I raise it up. have two
Okay, yeah, Aki comes close.
He had the kids sing along with him
So? He did all the work. It's why the ring is worried about them dying and not the little kids. This is as much a downplay as claiming Simon could only down the labyrinth because his friends added their spiral power to his.
Simon's friends needed to add their spiral power to his
Hal just had some mutant alien brats sing along as he synced all the lanterns by himself
Brother when we say Hal's feat was better in every single way, we mean EVERY. SINGLE. WAY.
This is a very embellished recounting of events. Hal started off in that issue as the Spectre and all he had to do was accept himself. He also didn't "absorb" all lantern batteries, that's misleading phrasing. He synchronized them, and charged his ring on them. He didn't drain them empty. He didn't even do that when he first became Parallax. Why, he didn't even fight with this tactic. It's practically useless for battle boarding
Cute benchwarmer
Genuinely asking for someone to post Ben saying that Superman beats Simon and Kyle. Where did he say this? Post it.
Hal is dressed like a space paladin
Simon is dressed like a leather boy
EVERY SINGLE WAY
Explicitly said he needed them together and the point of Spiral Space is that Simon doesn’t need his friends for the physical parts of his feats anymore
SHIRTS ARE FOR BITCHES
Isn't Love for the Star Sapphires?
Very embellished recounting of events
Coming from Simonfags this is a laugh. All you do is embellish guidebooks because your verse is dogwater if you just take what happens on screen. He syncronized them, charged his ring with them, used their power to end a multiverse wide forever war by rewriting reality on a multiverse scale. "He didn't fight with this tactic" demonstrates how limited your thinking is concerning this feat.
Girl on the right is dead
guidebooks
only love
only will
only together
He's saying that because he just made a multiverse wide group hug. Under you own logic we can downplay Simon every single time he says he's carrying the feelings of his friends on his back and my brother, that is a lot of times.
not in SRW
The amount of hate Supes got in the Death Battle community post-GVS2 because of the NLF bs
lmao shut up you overdramatic faggot
The only 'hate' GVS2 got was because they purposefully misrepresented Superman as some unbeatable God and most of the people angry with the episode hated how Superman was treated rather than any 'disrespect' Shitku got
Hal was hated because it was very clear by then they were in the middle of full blown comicwank swing where we weren't dealing with 'Wonder Woman who struggled to lift a third of the planet' anymore but rather 'Hal Jordan who has immeasurable speed (even when his ring is stolen by Batman) and who can tank multiversal erasure (when the Kilowog feat isn't even real)'.
The only 'hate' DC has ever gotten in any serious way is how Death Battle has treated it, and even right now we have an episode where they grossly overwanked Kyle Rayner and people are sucking Kyle's cock and talking about how cool he is and how he went down swinging against one of the strongest animu characters ever and begging for a proper adaptation for the guy. It's literally only here that I've seen DC get the proper dressing down it absolutely deserves for how the 'people' who powerwank DC comics have acted over the years
DCfags and having the biggest victim complex of all time, name a more iconic duo
All you do is embellish guidebooks
How many times do people have to tell you that they are novels, canon side stories or just commentary on the anime? None of this will make DB not have scaled Kyle to the Anti-Monitor and Hal only to have Simon gape him.
That’s not what ended the war, what ended the Ultrawar was the aliens sparing Hal’s cosmology when he gave them a new power source
How long do you think DCbros will cope for? Surely they'll get over it someday right? Maybe when Superman v Sentry gets announced they'll move on.
When are we getting Kallen in death battle?
Kratos deities...Has CHADmon supplanted us with his ACTUAL boundless feats...?
The guardians selected him from one point in his timeline after he died so they could fight ultrawar with them and then while entering ultrawar with them he encountered the metaphysical crisis of fighting against all his other possible selves, which he then reconstituted in being aware of himself as a multifaceted entity. He then returned to life in a much more stable mental state after being told by the guardians why he should go to the grail.
Hal goes there, shuts down the intelligence engine (which Grant in his substack annotations analogizes as Hal ‘shutting off’ the old-timers’ influence on DC and allowing newcomers to make their impact on the verse), does a sing-song of charging his ring at every battery in every universe, charging the grail which is the hyper-lantern, defeating ultrawar, and saving DC.
Kilowog feat isn't even real
QRD?
Against Aki? That'd be funny.
I still think Mazinger Zero is better for CAS
NOVELS, RETARD. THEY'RE NOVELS. STORY BOOKS. THAT YOU READ.
Simon has Jade now
that would be based...
Death Battle is not THAT based
The grail is what ended the hyperwar.
I'm not who you think I am, so get that chip way off your shoulder. What Hal did was synchronize the batteries and use some of that energy to power the Grail. It's very likely Hal would have exploded if he didn't have the Grail to dump all that energy into. Hal didn't disarm the Ultrawar weapon, it was those golden retards who deployed it in the first place. Tit for that
LargeStarLevelman
Well the aliens had enough engineering capacity to blow up all DC and Hal created an infinite energy source so that they wouldn’t need to go around to different multiverses, blow it all up, and then absorb all the energy from them.
So Hal created an energy source of infinite DC multiverses equivalent. From infinite power batteries, with each power battery housing an infinite multiverse where can rewrite fiction into reality (hence why Hal’s childhood fantasies were always real).
I know 5
I can feel the Otoko Simon dying and it feels good.
Realistically when a DC high tier beats another anime high tier, then they'll move on. What could be the matchup? idk
Also do people actually believe the theory that DC only has so many wins because of WB owning DB? Seems like a crackpot theory but would be funny if it was true
I... I can't!
WHY DOES THIS FEAT KEEP GETTING BETTER THAN THE LABYRINTH?
Hal convinced them to disarm their weapon and GTFO by rekindling the Grail. Context is important
i know 5
Bruva, You clearly don't know how to count
I can feel the Otoko Simon dying and it feels good.
Kallen should have kept her season 1 outfit the jumpsuit doesn't do it for me
Rewrites fiction into reality
Halsama, I kneel. Take Yoko take Nia but please leave me alone.
Kyle never showed anything like this and he in fact jobbed to alternate versions of himself which Hal didn’t. Hal even powered the miracle machine by himself (a computer that calculates the complete life equation) and used it to beat the Darkstars rewriting reality. Morrison Hal is just a different version of lantern than anyone else.
Which one's chadmon?
The Hal cope.
DB had Kyle stronger than Hal and he still got btfo.
How did we feel about Kyle's death?
Too respectful again?
Just the right amount of respectful?
Anti climactic?
It was more of a violent, virulent chain reaction than a bomb
The one that haunts DCfags nightmares.
Morrison Hal
Morrison stories are 2D.
More respect than editorial has ever had for him perfectly fine
infinite multiverse where can rewrite fiction into reality (hence why Hal’s childhood fantasies were always real).
Was it just reality warping into making those things true, or was it actually bringing the fiction to reality, DC bro?
…because they couldn’t rekindle the grail themselves. Only Hal could.
What's the difference? If you will Bugs Bunny to be real, he's real.
The only 'hate' GVS2 got was because they purposefully misrepresented Superman as some unbeatable God and most of the people angry with the episode hated how Superman was treated rather than any 'disrespect' Shitku got
I was there, and no, people DID think Goku got disrespected by writing him to “give up” on fighting Superman because “if I became the strongest, then I’d have no one to fight!”
Goku’s ENTIRE life’s purpose is to fight foes stronger than him. So to have him give up on everything he stands for, just because he lost a couple of times, is sacrilege.
That was due to creativity, not power levels. Otherwise he would have just killed fhem.
(hence why Hal’s childhood fantasies were always real).
I can't believe it... Hal made a universe that lowered the age of consent to 8?
Lol that's not a digimon.
Coming in late, cantors paradox would qualify an "inaccessible cardinals worth" which is considered 1-B. To be outerversal you need to do magic anime girl/high school boy shit and "transcend space/time" or basically reach into plato's realm.
The reason why Ultimate Ensemble is considered to basically chainscale into boundless (but no on versebattles because nobody can explain it) is because "plato's realm" exists inside physical space as "configuration space" like in Xeelee Sequence, but then it keeps going as "Outerversal" is kind of like the base building block of Ultimate Ensemble and Simulated Universe theory in fiction as "plato's realm" is literally inside of each before it starts chain scaling again over an inaccessible cardinals worth "transcendent" to the last.
So High-Outerversal would be like 2 blocks inside it.
The Xeelee are like 1 block of it and are Outerversal.
Then it goes (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...... infinity) etc.
By that logic everything that involves Reality warping something into reality is R>F as you are technically bringing fiction into reality
Hal Floorleveldan
You're moving the goalpost
That's because it is and any argument to the contrary is sophistry.
Yes, the Majistry transcended material existence and became pure thought-creatures in a search for an eternal power source since matter always died. They went around multiverse to multiverse and bricked them with conceptual malware such that the multiverses imploded, then they took the energy of the multiverses and went to the next one.
Hal powered the grail which this type omega civilization of conceptual thought-creatures couldn’t, the required energy for an ‘eternal flame’, which means he powered an equivalent of infinite multiverses for the consumption of conceptual beings.
All with a song.
Okay. I guess that means that fairly odd parents is outerversal, along with every basic bitch reality warper.
So who does Plastic Man MOG to redeem DC?
He's just providing context. Think of it like looking at a novelization of the scene.
JOBS to my hero Luffy the king of the pirates.
If you NFL them like a certain digger they are yes.
"transcend space/time"
The friction between the Spiral that calls for evolution and the Anti-Spiral that shuts off evolution shakes the Universe and transcends TIME and SPACE."
hmm...
the Majistry transcended material existence and became pure thought-creatures
okay
in a search for an eternal power source
come again?
why would a pure thought-creature need fuel/power source?
...If you ignore how there isn't any R>F as the fiction in DC is just another universe, there isn't any qualitative jump.
This is just embarrassing for Simonfags at this point.
I never believed it. The most I believed was Death Battle's Warframe sponsorship was one where they were paid to find a fitting matchup where their character won.
NFL
it's getting confused
I’m not the person you replied to.
The whole point of the scene is that power levels are equivalent to creativity/will. It’s why Hal said pic related.
I can feel the Otoko Simon dying and it feels good.
holy fucking shit imagine getting this worked up because an anime from 2007 now threatens DC'S position in DB as those most OP bullshit ever. I assure you that franchises like SMT and Disgaea would give DC a run for their money in Death Battle.
Thought creatures need a thought power source. Its a spiritual thing. You're a soulless pedophile so you can't understand it.
Post Simon surpasssing, super-time, super-space, and super-dimensions
I'm more upset about the scaling they gave DC. 12 dimensions? Despite the numerous statements of infinite dimensions. Despite DB themselves literally giving Superman outerversal scaling in GVS3. It really doesn't make any sense.
Also I don't buy their arguments for Simons infinite potential. Not that Simon can't will himself to be more powerful. Sure can will himself to be stronger than his opponent anti spiral who explicitly stated to be 11D at the time. At best we can say he can will himself to be 12D, you could even argue 13D. (Based on what we've seen.) But to say he can infinitely transcend Kyle who is quite literally beyond dimensions by their own previous scaling of DC is asking me to assume a lot.
So yeah, I'm not buying this outcome.
Inb4 but DCfag lmao
No all I'm asking for is consistency. Next thing you know, they put Simon against someone else and cap him 11D.
They already mentioned Spectre Hal in the Kyle analysis and had Kyle as stronger kek
New thread
World of darkness utterly gapes DC in terms of cosmology, it sometimes gets into actual suggsverse level of retardation (but it was made in the 90's).
Oops, wrong image.
Don't need to. All the commentary says they surpass space, time and dimensions repeatedly. They even use infinite power on-screen with a visual metaphor unlike most animation wank kek
Will a fictional universe to be real
No you didn't will the fictional universe to be real you just made another universe
Motherfucker, isn't that what you wanted?
Yes? You made the feat seem like a hyper omniversal deity feat, when it was "just" universal.
You've been gassing yourselves up because your precious neanderthal killed Hal's bitch boy and now you're nervous because you realized how screwed the supposed DC killer is in a match against someone that doesn't blow.
You've been gassing yourselves up because your precious neanderthal killed Hal's bitch boy and now you're nervous because you realized how screwed the supposed DC killer is in a match against someone that doesn't blow.
This scene is going to show up in Hal vs Simon no doubt about it.
An Omega-type civilization whose feats include moving planets around, smashing moons, making foot-sized explosions while smaller than atoms. Ultrawar was the only thing worth a damn about them and it was a chain reaction that took time to get going
Thought creatures need a thought power source. Its a spiritual thing
don't give me that bullcrap. even bleach's shinigami do not need to eat.
it's fucking obvious that ghosts do not need to eat. just look at Star Wars' Force ghosts
why are the Majistry an exception to this? sorry but they sound like pushovers.
This is just embarrassing for Simonfags at this point.
What does surpassing mean? Can they stand outside time and space? Can they travel across time and space? What does it mean?
Read the end of Willworld. Hal when entering the lantern battery becomes non-local and has to use his will to enfold the ‘oneness that precedes manifestation’ to generate the dream of reality from universal will.
It means they transcend time and space and dimensions. What do you think it means? Read the print.
You can't understand it because you have no soul.
You’re moving the goalpost. ‘Ultrawar’ is an infinite conflict of higher and higher stakes, which is what Grant was parodying in DC’s crisis events. The Majistry were silver age villains who were literally just giant robots and then at the end of the story they were concept thought-forms that ate entire multiverses. You just got filtered.
Infinity
Normal-space
Normal time
Normal dimensionality
Base Xeelee negs
That was a story about inner worlds and whimsy correspondence and metaphors. There was no consistent sense of scale; Hal bumped against the limit of the bubble with a biplane and later the universes were just simulacra of the Lanterns dreaming in bubbles. I'll never understand why you presume to use it to wank
He's actually transcended space and time here. It's what Simonfags pretend Simon can do.
He didnt tank COIE. The ring teleported him away
Grant, I don't have time for your bald defensiveness. Their vaunted war machine was a virulent chain reaction that ultimately amounted to nothing. NOT a bomb like you insinuated earlier
I hav-[retardation]
ROW ROW, FIGHT DA POWA.
concession accepted
Yhwach fodderizes them
DCfags want feats and descriptions to be ignored so their precious spandexverse doesn't get gaped by a drill
This is just sad at this point kek.
Ch'p did.
And Simon in the audio drama literally shook the CD. You’re using physical images to delimit a metaphysical story of Hal merging with a non-local foam of pure will and using it to dream everything into existence. It transcends space and time as noted earlier in the comic, which is why the entire comic is itself dreamed by Hal as a child, ad infinitum.
All done in the context of a singular lantern battery’s transcendence of space and time.
Translate that to infinite batteries, charging the platonic form of lantern batteries in the grail, being the thing that satisfacts an infinite multiversal hunger for beings that transcend matter and are mere conceptual thought-forms, and you have Hal Jordan.
doesn’t respond to the argument
Ultrawar is literally the implosion of the multiverse into nothingness due to story escalation. It’s literally Spiral Nemesis. And Hal powered infinite versions of it.
IDGAF what Simon can't do. I just didn't go into Willworld and GL Season Two with an agenda like you did
High 1-C
Even the DC Spiral Nemesis is better than the Spiral Nemesis
Hal vs Simon can't come fast enough.
Does the physical copy of the DC actually shake?
the same wiki that puts Arceus as outerversal
Retardo bro....
The Reddit Sequence
SHIGGYDIGGY
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And Simon in the audio drama literally shook the CD
a bigger feat.
Morrison's DC Omniverse is placed over the Overmind (the white pages themselves)
All dimensional feats are fiction within this 2D construct (the comic)
a CD >>>> a sheet of paper
DCU >>>> DC Comics/TTGL
Verse caps out at hill level BTW
Boundless cement
Your comparisons to Simon and Spirals is falling on deaf ears, with all due respect. Hal didn't power infinite versions of anything. First of all, he couldn't even stop Ultrawar, which is why he had to convince the golden retards to get out. Second off, he didn't do anything combat-applicable, he just uploaded a bunch of energy into the Grail. Energy which likely would have atomized him had he not uploaded it into the Grail to begin with
Magic made up nonsense about spiritual transcendentalism
Midwit take on quantum mechanics that splices emotion or something retarded into it
Both equal in my eyes
Simon is my FUAAAAARKING hero and inspires me IRL. He transcends fiction.
You expect DC powerscalers to read comics?
Even the DC Spiral Nemesis is better than the Spiral Nemesis
Hal vs Simon can't come fast enough.
Creating an infinite supply of energy greater than could be harvested by breaking down an infinite multiverse
Has no combat applications
he couldn’t even stop Ultrawar
He literally says he would kill the Majistry if they didn’t disable their Ultrawar array () which means he was trying peaceful solutions first. He makes a deal with them that he’ll power the grail, the infinite power source they looked for from originally dematerializing from the multiverse and becoming pure thought beings, and actually does it. Now, mind you, the Majistry are the beings who implode entire multiverses using that array and feed on the conceptual energy from that implosion and its narrative tension. It’s another metaphor for DC crisis events and sales from constant reboots.
The Majistry would never be satiated except through the eternal flame of the grail, which Hal powered. Meaning Hal empowered infinite multiverses worth of conceptual energy.
Canon.
Put your trip on Otto.
Leave DC to me.
Now, mind you, the Majistry are the beings who implode entire multiverses using that array and feed on the conceptual energy from that implosion and its narrative tension.
But can they take a hit?
They’re conceptual beings beyond matter. They can’t be attacked physically and could only be fought using sing-songs and imagination. They represent narrative beings or whatever (like STTGL).
And Hal beat a whole civilization of them. A whole set of STTGLs.
It's a really quick way for an author to get 1-C for their character without actually having to be intelligent.
He didn't create it. He synchronized and funneled it directly into the Grail. Hal didn't make a construct, energy beam or makeshift Anti-Matter Wave to obliterate the golden retards and reality warp Ultrawar away
Just because he could kill them, or perhaps die trying, doesn't mean he could disarm the Ultrawar weapon. Actually, I don't remember them instantly nuking entire multiverses off the top of my head; could you post a scan or if I'm too clumsy to see it right now, link me to a post of it?
They can’t be attacked physically
Use non-physical attacks.
and could only be fought using sing-songs and imagination
That's arguably an Anti-feat.
Kind of. Maybe. I don't know. I think I recall Olivia Reynolds taking care of them earlier in the run. And they can explode, but Hal shrank one of them to sub-atomic sizes and it caused the explosion in the top left panel
It's really, really funny to me when author's don't want to deal with IRL/Physics so they give their character "transcendence" but then when it's time to fight fight they jump back into "hyperspace" below outerversal to start punching each other or if there is a verse battle they then have to go un-transcend themselves and fall back on actual math-based qualified feats with which to kill each other and sub 1-tiers end up being the only metrics that matter.
disarm the Ultrawar weapon
But why would he even try to kill them if this wouldn’t stop them from bricking the multiverse? This doesn’t make sense. And even then, ‘disarming’ the Ultrawar weapon (which we don’t see btw) doesn’t mean just destroying it, since it could be some technical process that Hal doesn’t know, and if the Ultrawar weapon isn’t even physical, then he couldn’t just blow it up like you’re implying he could have if he was sufficiently powerful enough.
And in the comic Hal specifically ‘reduces all differences to unity’ anyways. He specifically overcomes Ultrawar with his willpower and generates enough energy to relit the grail.
The Majistry don’t nuke universes. They basically introduce conceptual malware which imploded the multiverse by causing all stories to fight against each other in effectively an instance of hyper-darwinism, then once all matter is destroyed they come and feast on the conceptual energy left.
don't look so tough to me
The Majistry don’t nuke universes. They basically introduce conceptual malware which imploded the multiverse by causing all stories to fight against each other in effectively an instance of hyper-darwinism, then once all matter is destroyed they come and feast on the conceptual energy left.
Are they the equivalent of hackers hacking nuclear launch sites and profiting from the resulting wars and disasters?
He didn't create it.
But that logic Simon doesn't create anything either he just syncs with spiral power.
More like super-hyper-capitalists since Grant is a communist troon.
But why would he even try to kill them if this wouldn’t stop them from bricking the multiverse?
Because this is Hal Jordan we're talking about. You do have a point in that Hal wouldn't know the specific mechanism behind Ultrawar. After all, they were all using thought-powered combat.
Now, we can wax poetic about what happened, or we can talk about what really happened. Hal made peace with himself. Ultrawar was a chain reaction that would have ripped the universe(s) in half from the inside out and the outside in. It was not a bomb that blew up the multiverse. You can try to hype it up as a philosophical thing, but at the end of the day it just wasn't a biggaton weapon. And I must reiterate that I'm IGNORANT as to the multiverses' worth of dead cosmologies in their past. I really don't remember that
Now, we can wax poetic about what happened, or we can talk about what really happened. Simon made peace with himself. The Spiral Nemesis was a chain reaction that would have ripped the universe(s) in half from the inside out and the outside in. It was not a bomb that blew up the multiverse. You can try and hype it up as a philosophical thing, but at the end of the day it just wasn't a biggaton weapon.
True, but at that point there wouldn’t be a point in bringing up ‘if I don’t stop you, others will’ since they were going to destroy the multiverse right there. It not being a biggaton weapon is really irrelevant since the energy harvesting is the main thing with it. It reduces all unity to multiplicity and shatters the multiverse for the Majistry to come and suck up its bone marrow.
That’s what the whole thing of ‘when you transcended the material realm…’ thing is, and why they then go to the realm of the ‘over-sun’ after they get the grail. Their exact origin isn’t elaborated upon but they’re seen as these eternal and transcendent abstract beings with a complex multiversal history beyond time and space, such that the guardians are fighting them beyond time as the rest of the story was going on.
You need to understand what the grail actually was and why the golden freaks wanted it.
Rather than through enlightenment, they achieved their current status of Energy Beings by waging a war against themselves so devastating that it collectively cleaved them from their material forms. Due to the violent way they did this, they broke their Golden Lamp (ie The Cosmic Grail), the ultimate treasure of their civilization and the Perpetual Motion Machine that was keeping them all alive, forcing them to feast on galaxies to sustain themselves.
These guys are literally dying. lmao
None in their number ever thought to try and engage in the dangerous act of attempting to repair the Golden Lamp, choosing instead to engage in eons of wide scale plunder and debauchery
The Majistry uses large toys to interact with the physical plane. They can channel their might through these constructs, but as they're toys made from plastic, flesh, and basic metals, they are relatively easy to destroy.
lmao
they can't do shit
While they are capable of representing themselves with physical and toylike avatars, they prefer to devastate places they wish to loot by inflicting "Ultrawar" on local reality, a malefic metaphysical concept which causes all of creation to "war with itself".
Can sustain themselves on galaxies
Somehow need multiverses of power
Yeah ok lol
But is it really all that if the equivalent of a blast radius is the world fighting itself? I don't think it is. Ultrawar is terrifying but it's not the best for gauging power levels off the Grail being their deployers' power source. Like I said, we're not talking about comprehensible output like a universe-busting energy beam.
That’s what the whole thing of ‘when you transcended the material realm…’ thing is,
I thought Hal was talking about them being pure thought. Pure mind, in the way thought-based actions are waged in this context. Where'd they go? I'm fucked if I know. Not entirely unlike how Hal became willpower after abusing Krona's gauntlet.
When DID they bust a whole multiverse, though?
they fight using toys because they cannot use their spiritual forms to harm anyone. lmao
If its fighting itself down to the last atom and leading to total destruction then yes it does produce a multiverse worth of energy to harvest and likely more since it will involve the mutual destruction of multiverse level beings in combat.
I never said it’s a blast radius. It definitely isn’t a ‘bomb’, it’s a narrative device of causing endless story tension and conflict. It’s a meta-story and if you’re operation on Death Battle logic of ‘transcending fiction’, that’s what you want here.
They transcended their physical bodies and they were evolving to the point of transcending space and time. Hal was sent against it as the entire lantern corp would succumb to division while Hal was indivisible. His willpower meant that he could not be deconstructed.
Simon already gaped a Kyle who got scaled above the Spectre.
Getting the same lifting feat DC characters have gotten since Wonder Woman is not getting scaled over the Spectre.
KEKAROO!
xeelee sequence sucks because it has zero (0) fun characters
Notice that everyone that talks about Xeelee can't name a single character from it. It's Suggsverse for midwits.
Stephen Baxter might be biggest nerd of all time and prove his setting is scienfically possible given to some mumbo jumbo but he can't write a character even if his life depended on it
Because its a book series focusing on a setting in general and not the characters in that setting
you know a setting sucks gigadick when there's almost zero fanart of it