You did well, Kyle Rayner.
I'll never forget you for as long as I live.
Death Battle
YOU ALMOST GOT IT THAT TIME!
k, b, c
How would you have made the choreography for the Simon vs Kyle fight?
6th dimensional pun-
Doesn't work for me, brother.
Cookboo-
Creative control, brother.
GIGA DRI-
No sells. Points. Punch three times. Irish whip. Big boot. Ropes. Leg drop. 1. 2. 3. Crowd pops. And still.
Xeelee operate on Woodin's cardinals, fag.
Which are the biggest inaccessible cardinals
Not much I would change besides making it not end in a death
The white lantern ring will revive himself later, who cares.
Godzillafags’ only hope is a math PhD STEMCHAD saving them with his schizobabble
Humanitieschuds… kneel!
THE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
What powers does Moon Knight have aside from being a schizo?
What characters does /dbg/ want?
Not much to change. Aside from trying to squeeze smoother animation it pretty much covered everything in a satisfying way. I guess the only change specifically I would have is instead of Simon kicking Kyle in the gut, change to a similar smash to the face with the comic book texture. Kick was fine too but I had a preference for the face hits like in the Anti Spiral brawl
moon control
can we appreciate the fact that Kyle was having the time of his life here. death battle did kyle more justice than DC has in years.
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Proceeds to forget about this literal who ten minutes later
Any Homestuck character just to see the threads implode. Lord English VS Superboy Prime would make Simon VS Kyle look like a civil discussion
The Reddit Sequence
witchbabe.
Is this the new Kylejeet cope?
H-he fought well!
H-he didn't lose THAT badly!
The ring went to Simon so its like a part of Kyle will live on even though Simon doesn't need it!
Th-they treated him with respect!
H-he and Simon would be friends in another time!
He still lost
Seethe DCjeets
Prime scales to peak Batkek, how high does English get?
Math and other nerdshit
All falls short in the presence of Omnipotence.
So who do you want to see, /db/?
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English killed his author and would probably scale to Ultimate Dirk who is capable of directly controlling the narrative and cutting the source code
tombros, how the fuck are we supposed to beat this?
Easy. Coyote accidentally kills himself with it
Motherfucker you know this shit will be ruined by monetization just like Mortal Kombat was.
You're going to waste $200 to unlock all your shit and then in a year they'll shut down the servers.
Fuck WB. Trash company.
no you're just schizophrenic and think all kylefags are the same. I admire the characterization and how it wasn't as disrespectful as most matches tend to be. you can like both franchises and debate about things and not be a retarded fag about it.
Death Battle might say that Tom, since he isn't from Looney Tunes, doesn't have Looney DNA so it won't affect him. I feel like it still should, granted, and Tom can't cure himself with laughter since he's more likely to just get angry. The only way Tom gets out of this one is if Wile E hits him with the serum, tries to kill Tom with an ACME product, and the product backfires which MIGHT cause Tom to laugh.
Kek
DCeethe
A Valve character to make the fandom snoys seethe
Seeing how good this fight was just pisses me off with how much more underwhelming Slayer vs Chief and especially Kratos vs Asura were
I was a Simonfag, try again.
English killed his author
Dreadpool tier feat and dare a dare it a Kratos tier feat too
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zero (0) characters setting
tfw Simon VS Kyle has vastly more hype fisticuffs than the MU with the guy all about punching things
Godzilla Singular Point novel is still untranslated to this day since Japanese translators don’t understand any of the technical jargon he referenced in its plot
Kekkypow
Post the Coyite stopping the destruction of the multiverse.
FUARK
Also if you are asking, Coyite was the copycat the Coyote sent, because he was too afraid of getting one shotten by Tom.
Coyote is his own worst enemy. Tom also has more busted stats if you count everything. Even ignoring the chink powerfag autism he still has planet and galaxy busting feats
didn't he compete in a basketball game against Don Cheadle who is above the WB multiverse?
Every other fight has been pretty on-point with its characterization which makes it all the more baffling how they could fuck up Asura so bad when he has ONE game to his name that’s over a decade old
post Tom busting a Galaxy
He's strong... TOO strong.
Post him busting a mountain
Being fair a lot of the Coyote's failures are things he clearly could not have possibly seen coming. His worst mistake is just continuing to trust ACME when they're rigged against him.
So, are we talking about characters killing their authors?
That's more or less because it's based on the final fight from the second movie with Simon beating the shit out of the Anti-Spiral with his own two hands. Choreography is important and Kratosura lacks it. there's no impact in the fight at any point to make you feel anything. Simon Vs, Kyle is the complete opposite of Kratosura
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Remember that the Simonfag LOVES tranny porn.
so do I yum yum
I was a Simonfag, try again.
No lies detected.
keeps using the product with a dubious ammount of quality for literal decades
tries to sue that company, only to be stopped by Warner, who is partners with ACME
Is he retarded?
He busted the mountain sized particles (too small to see) by moving around here
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Simon can do anything and everything
except bring his wife back to life because such a reckless use of his abilities would reduce all spiral power into a singularity and destroy creation
K, b, c
he lives in bumfuck nowhere with no job, ACME is the only thing he can afford
Can your favorite hero tank Donovan's BBC?
J could easily slaughter dozens of space marines, btw.
Tard melty
quads confirm
You call that a rape...?
As a DCbro, I enjoyed the last fight because it made me realise I have a fetish for humiliation and femdom.
yes J would
J
That's not J, this is.
Let me explain this in dragonball terms. Remember the black star dragonballs that were changing? The ones that popped out a pissed off league of rogue shenrons that were made due to the result of the dragonballs being taken for granted? The spiral nemesis is basically that
GODlius Belmont....
Serial Designation JOBBER
Kicks the SHIT out of V
YEET
Earthworm Jim would TANK that
Marvel and DC are so fast...
Spongebob would instantly UNRAVEL that.
read G1 blog since there was no QnA for this episode
see similar arguments to the episode but more in-depth, trying to understand the logic better, seeing the reasoning and agreeing with it
”Darkseid cannot be Outerversal, since Outerversal means you are above quantification, and Darkseid in Infinite Frontier became more powerful by absorbing his emanations”
OK that makes sense if you think being Outerversal means you can’t be materially divided or whatever
”Otoko Simon, who even transcended his fictional universe and went to a higher reality in the audio drama, is in the Multiversal Labyrinth that Simon absorbed!”
tfw
Can someone explain this to me? The G1 blog says that since Darkseid absorbed his emanations and got stronger he isn’t Outerversal, while Simon absorbing an Outerversal being and becoming stronger by adding himself and that other version of Simon is?
The argument is that spiral power is a unifying energy while something like Darkseid isn't, it's the same qualifications VSBW currently has.
frankly that's how it "should" go
Coyote always messes up, it's his entire thing
Spiral power
Also they get explicitly "infinite" at the climax of the final fight, the movie drops a visual metaphor and the novelization says so too.
Well no actually. The Anti-Spiral effectively created a Trojan Horse bit of genetic data that would be inside of a planet's spiral race lineage, and it just so happened that Nia was the living descendant of this genetic data that allowed her to be activated as an Anti-Spiral.
By this standard, Nia's personality survived a total genetic overwrite before Simon even had a chance to save her.
when why is Darkseid outerversal while Simon isn't on VSBW?
Spiral Power.
but that-
Spiral Power.
Nah. The ML was made (or can be made) of spiral energy ,spiral energy is the absolute god tier of TTGL. Even in the higher levels of reality there is spiral energy, if Simon ascended it was because of it.
I understand that element of it, but that’s a different part of the argument. That’s arguing that the audio drama version of Simon transcends his fiction using something that’s already metaphysical, meaning it doesn’t disqualify the metaphysicality of the world he transcended to. But that’s different from then saying “the real world that version of Simon transcended to was in the Labyrinth, which the prime Simon absorbed to get stronger.”
If the audio drama version of Simon was really Outerversal he couldn’t be added to someone else for them to become stronger, that means he can be divided and multiplied in a quantifiable fashion which under Vs Battles’ standards is a disqualifier for Outerversal
They could’ve similarly matched the Chakravartin fight with Kratosura, hell the alternate ending is just a 1:1 copy of the final punch
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Darkseid
VSBW separates DC stuff heavily
Simon
Otoko stuff wasn't properly translated until recently, there's a thread up for it right now
Because several admins are DC fags? Same reason that a bunch of Sonic,GOW, and DB fags basically stone walled someone in a CRT that was basically "hey, if we use unga bunga science bable, then when why don't use science babble to downgrade those characters".
then why was DC fucked over for years on VSBW? the god tiers all used to be 21-dimensional or some shit
I swear I've seen this chick more than anyone from the actual Witchblade comic.
What direction can you even go now with that setting? Most of the original characters in the universe have been killed, so it would just be pulling in more and more from alternate universes.
But we could see a He-Man DLC since there was an Injustice and He-Man crossover comic.
Because science babble that the wiki was running was replaced by philosophy babble, the thing that Morrison LOVES
TLDR: Ultima created the ultimate (heh) breading groud for DC stupidty, it still bellows World of darkness though.
I mean the He-Man crossover already concluded the Injustice story
Spiral power itself is infinite, spiral beings can access it from within themselves via their spiral galaxies. In this sense, using more spiral energy is no different from an outerversal character holding back less rather than obtaining energy.
It'd actually be the opposite, the idea would be that Simon, a character from a lower reality, is able to ascend to a higher reality's level of power using a unifying metaphysical energy, and in the process he became a being on a similar level while the power of the being he absorbed itself is unchanged. It'd be more like something like Elaine Belloc being granted higher reality power, whereas Darkseid would be starting as a being on that level in the first place, dividing his power, and then reforming.
For the record I don't think I'd be so strict as to accept one or not the other regardless.
bellows
The only appropriate answer to give here would be Goku.
I....Jobbed to english...
It's funny how DCfags were taking his schizophrenic ramblings seriously about the pages being "god"
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They say this about Darkseid,
And in the build up to Dark Crisis, Darkseid spent his time re-gathering all his emanations to build up strength, which kinda violates the idea that a qualitatively superior being shouldn’t have their power be divisible into something quantitative or that adding up can lead you to some level of qualitative level.
And then,
The first question you may ask is “But how can Simon himself do this if it was Avant Simon?” “Why would mainline Simon have this power” you may ask? Do recall the surpassing of the Multiversal Labyrinth, where Simon integrated with an infinite amount of Simons from the past, the present, and the future, which explicitly includes Avant and Otoko as well, giving Simon abilities that can affect an R>F transcendence relationship between the medium they are in, and all it is superior too.
So Darkseid getting stronger by adding multiple versions of himself disqualifies him from being a qualitative level above the multiverse, since his power is “divisible” and can be “added up”, but when a “non-Outerversal” version of Simon somehow adds an “Outerversal” version of himself, he becomes Outerversal, even though this shouldn’t be possible, since it implies that the new Simon is divisible between Outerversal and non-Outerversal, which is implying that Outerversal is divisible.
Yes, but they’re implying that the whole audio drama and its real world is in the multiverse of possible Simons that a non-Outerversal Simon added himself to so that he could become Outerversal. They’re making the Outerversal Simon additive to the non-Outerversal one, such that a non-Outerversal Simon by adding the Outerversal one transcends the Outerversal one and becomes stronger than Otoko Simon. This is disqualifying.
Post Julius doing the thing. You know the one.
Why is DC so weak?
even though this shouldn’t be possible
just who the hell do you think he is?
To qualify,
They’re saying ‘prime Simon’ who was originally non-Outerversal is stronger than a Simon in the labyrinth who was Outerversal by adding him to himself.
So non-Outerversal becomes > Outerversal by + Outerversal.
Non-Outerversal + Outerversal > Outerversal according to them (since he transcends Otoko Simon by absorbing the entire labyrinth).
This just seems like a lesser Dip
Both WoD and DC are tier 0
Simon became stronger after he converted the laberynth to SE, and SE is the thing that bounds the cosmology. You can just say that the SE ascended to another level of reality, and it would be on par with the themes of gurren laggan.
you know darn well no one will remember kyle even existed after the episode is released
DC relies on a gazillion different non canon cosmologies, if we go canon vs canon then a literal level 1 wizard oneshots all of DC.
holding back btw
Animation not bein stiff
Nta but Basically, absorbing all of himself including otoko makes him more attuned to spiral power so he can pull more of it out of his spiral galaxy. Spiral power in general transcends the entire setting of TTGL. If you get stronger with it, you simply pull more of it from the ether essentially, which scales above the anti-spiral and the entire verse (hence the anti-spiral could not eradicate spiral energy, just the will to harness it)
shit matchup, composite Goku is for composite Superman and composite Ryu is for composite Barbie
Yandere fight when
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the only tier 0 who has an actual design
Kneel. NOW.
Well it concluded the bad ending of Injustice 2 where Supes gets the Brainiac power and learned absolutely nothing.
Athena vs M Bison when.
Its thematic, fighting game matchup, and could take place in both the physical and mental realm.
its two fighting characters that are also psychics and have been in several crossovers together.
Sure SE is the thing that’s metaphysical and hence transcending fiction with it doesn’t mean the fiction and reality are actually the same degree of realness since binds both fiction and reality, but that’s only not disqualifying in that example. If you then say ‘and then he’s part of a multiverse of past, present, and future’, you’re implying that entire audio drama happened in one timeline in a multiverse and could be added to someone else for that person to become quantifiably more powerful, which means that the audio drama never had an actual R>F transcendence. It’s the same as the logic used in this blog for the platonic statements for the Godsphere being illegitimate since the Godsphere could be reached by changing your vibration.
that face
Forget my match with the Beyonder, I think I'll be busy with this one...
I mean, wouldn't that mean that the ML is outerversal? It is running on spiral energy after all, and it isn't like it doesn't have complexity (it contains type 4-3-2 multiversal shenanigans).
Seeing how Batman is collabing with deadpool, perhaps deadpool could work as a dlc chara.
He-Man would be a good DLC.
Actually, fuck it, add Goku into the game too and have his trailer be all about him beating up injustice Supes (even tho he is above all of DC in value, so it might be 90% the budget)
I understand how it works in the setting. Everyone technically has the capacity to do “anything” with Spiral Power automatically, just lacking the will. Simon absorbed infinite versions of himself and thereby got infinite accumulative will and could then do anything.
The issue is that “accumulative infinity” debunks you in the context of VSBW’s context of what makes someone Outerversal. And the blog used that context, which they applied to someone becoming accumulatively stronger by absorbing multiple versions of themselves, but not for Simon doing the same thing (you can say the same for the Omega sanction that you can for Spiral Power, fyi).
can I get a qrd on what the fuck happened to Hal?
I think it might be a quite different design from the comic. Not entirely sure though.
I prefer the designs of the old man and the glowing fanfiction version of God from The Bible
No, because the ML would then be an accumulative structure “added up” by both the world different versions of Simon transcend and are transcended by, which means that if one was Outerversal and the other wasn’t, you would have a bigger structure generated by something Outerversal added by something that wasn’t, which is impossible, hence the entire structure is non-Outerversal.
VSBW defines the “cap” of everything below Outerversal as that which is quantifiable.
When’s the last time DB even gave us fighting game vs fighting game? Feels like a relic of old when we would get those like every other episode
Nigga he lost
You can contrain an outerversal structure, and a not outerversal structure, that just means that the structure can operate on different levels.
Mmm, i guess i could enjoy a simple, normal samurai duel in Mitsurugi vs Haohmaru.
Cammy vs Leona Heidern and Iori vs Kazuya could be cool too
No, not that thing. The one where he jumps around and goes WOLOLOLOLO (I may have paraphrased).
You could get away with more filler-y matches on a three week or two week schedule, harder to justify making people wait a month for Felicia vs Taokaka or something.
I prefer the boundless tentacled eldritch horror that can not be conceived of or described visually or metaphysically
Your favorite verse gets solo'd by a guy that looks like this
So what specific moments in the GL comics made Kyle job like a bitch?
those stockings
Yummy! I wouldn't mind my verse getting no-diffed by her....
Yes, but you can’t have a non-Outerversal character become stronger than an Outerversal structure by adding that structure to themselves, since that means that non-Outerversal structure + Outerversal structure is > that Outerversal structure. And you can’t jump Outerversal levels by adding things together.
They went through both seasons 9 and 10, back when they had a 2-week schedule, without a single fighting game episode.
Because the non outerversal structure runs on outervesal energy?
Outerversal is a fake tier. It is just the actual multiverse.
Would current Death Battle ever use BlazBlue or KI again?
Superman: I'll avenge you Kyle, the power of Superman surpasses all power in fiction.
Post superman strongest form not jobbing to a dwarf-giant star attack.
Sure, but then if you say ‘that Outerversal energy + that non-Outerversal structure’ has a sum bigger than both those parts (which happened in Simon’s case), then that energy isn’t Outerversal at all.
This, powerscaling is corrupted by capeshit brainrot and has to downgrade to make sense, those settings that have more than a multiversw just have arbitrary extra levels, if they don't have them then the top is still just as powerful
One of Superman's villains, Mongul, nukes Hal's home city and it mentally breaks him
He tries to recreate it with his ring but the Guardians tell him the ring isn't meant to be used like that and try to court martial him. Then in a fit of rage he kills them all and steals all the Green Lantern power (later retconned as him being possessed by the god of fear)
Then he tries to gain enough power to rewrite history, but is stopped, later realizes how unhinged he's become and sacrifices himself to reignite the sun. Then he served briefly as the Spectre before getting revived for real for Johns GL run
KI yes, they love the fuck out of KI.
You know that Simon made that structure into spiral energy, right? Along with the fact that the structure runs on spiral energy.
I.....CANNOT.........
Hal Jordan...
Bejita....
Picture this: an outerversal character attacks, sending their energy at someone. Logically it is separate and they should've lost something doing this, but they don't. Spiral power is pretty much the same. The one time infinite power is dropped is basically at the climax of the final fight.
IN BRIGHTEST DAY
does this drill scare you, old man
They've talked about wanting to do more KI matchups in places like the ballot banters. However, they think it would be awkward to do so many episodes of a fighting game that hasn't had any meaningful installments in years when there are other equally/more popular series with less episodes which is an asinine excuse considering they won't even do episodes for the actually relevant fighting games either.
Is there ANY pedophile in fiction who could beat her?
IN BLACKEST NIGHT
not wanting to wait for a sexy cat fight
OK, both the thing transcended and the thing transcending are capable of using SE, which is above them both, but that’s disqualified by SE obviously existing in ‘units’ that can be added together to create bigger units of it. That’s what happened in the ML.
That happens with literal regular, quantifiable infinity. Infinity minus infinity is still infinity. But infinity^infinity isn’t the same as infinity. That’s the difference.
I think it much more that they are both coming from the same source of human nature. Our tendency to want to label things mixed with a notion similar to that of the hedonic treadmill causes us to push for more and want to have labels for whatever more is.
Event culture in the Big Two are such that they simply must go beyond what was before or at least give the appearance of doing so. So they'll make shit up, and nerds will apply labels to those things to try and fit them into the broken puzzle that is a living and multiauthor setting.
Superman > All fictions and realities. He'll always be the ultimate hero beyond others. Next to Jesus and Buddah of course. Superman embodies being true ultimate strength and hope beyond will and spiral energy.
NO UNSUCKED PENIS WILL ESCAPE MY SIGHT
OK, both the thing transcended and the thing transcending are capable of using SE, which is above them both, but that’s disqualified by SE obviously existing in ‘units’ that can be added together to create bigger units of it. That’s what happened in the ML.
No? That would only apply if th SE only existed in lower realms, you can be in a higher realm and still have quanitty, the problem happens when you try to argue that a lower realm unit ascended to a higher realm by himself.
I think it’s strange we haven’t gotten a proper Kazuya match yet considering all the possible opponents he has.
I LOVE Netorare
I LOVE Femboys
I LOVE Blacked.com
I LOVE Futanari
I LOVE Sissification
I don't need to say the name of my favorite favorite hero, you already know!
No nigga. That’s the difference between something like an inaccessible cardinal and something actually Outerversal. You can’t ‘add’ to an inaccessible cardinal, but it’s still quantifiable (if you multiply it by the empty set it’s still the empty set). That’s not the same with a qualitative difference.
No one can ever take them down
The power lies on their side
Popeye the Trans-Woman!
Doesn't that just mean that composite fictions jobs to a supernova?
Suoerman: Kid I Punched through evil bigger than heaven and hell and reality combined. That drills getting pierced by the hammer of justice, my fist.
Yep. Believe in the faggot... that believes in you.
??? There can be quantity on a higher quality realm. Fucking ergenverse has that shit. Simon isn't ascending by using lower level reality things, he is ascending via using spiral energy.
He'll win any fight he needs to he can job to a kitten and still kick your favorite animes ass. Because hes superman.
Kek that face
Power Rangers
the first 0-3 verse on the show
Is Super Robot Wars a legitimate verse? I know it's a crossover, but it's essentially the longest running mass crossover ever, and has actual in universe logic trying to piece everything together. I feel like it's not wrong to consider it more substantial than something like Fortnite or Smash Bros..
I think the only issue is the feedback loop scaling it gives to most the involved series.
You fallaciously think the difference between quality and quantity is that you can’t add two quantities to get a quality, but you can add two quantities of qualities to get another quality. That’s not how it works under VSBW.
Suoerman
more like Sour man.
He'll win any fight he needs to
And he will lose every fight he can't win.
I find it kind of funny that all of their losses came from their Megazords.
I feel like Miyuki from You and Me and Her would make more sense for Monika.
Stop stone walling me, sperg, I said that he ascended via quality, not quantity, the fucking spiral laberynth runs on a higher level quality energy.
I think Goku would be hard to impossible to incorporate into something like Injustice. His character design is too iconic that any attempt to fold him into the design style of Injustice would end in failure.
Cant believe Gurren Lagann drilled DC's entire cosmology to pieces
This is probably because they had two different people (or groups of people) work on both sections. If the same person did both they were either a liar or deluded and hallucinating
I AM FICTION’S STRONGEST.
I DRIVE FEAR INTO EVERYONE.
I DO NOT RAPE, FOR PEOPLE RAPE THEMSELVES AS THEY SEE ME.
SAY MY NAME.
Akainu
Aw cute, you have only three seasons of power rangers.
I got 50 years of Sentai.
runs on a higher level quality energy
Yet you can get a stronger energy than the energy you absorbed by absorbing it, which means that you + the energy is greater than the energy itself. Or, 2 qualities added together is another quality.
Which is impossible. Adding two thoughts together can never make a prime number, since thoughts and prime numbers are different qualities of things.
I don't see why it's any less legit than Marvel and DC which were essentially just superhero crossovers made into permanent shared settings. As far as I know Super Robot Wars reboots more often though, so I wouldn't consider chain scaling outside of games that use the same continuity.
I am weak and canonically get raped by women constantly
Suoerman
I'm pretty sure that's just an avatar of him not actually the "teir 0" version.
Hal's city gets nuked by cyborg superman and mongul
Everyone he knew growing up ends up dead
Tries to bring back everything with his ring, but it runs out of charge. Also guardians get pissed at him for using it for personal use.
He gets so pissed that he goes on a rampage back to OA, killing friends that were close to him along the way
Upon reaching OA he absorbs the central power battery and became Parallax
Then travels back to the beginning of time to reset the DC universe in his image, causing the Zero Hour event.
Later it gets retconned where he was actually possessed by a giant space bug.
IMO the retcon was dumb, saying this a new reader. Hal actually showed genuine grief when he lost everything and remorse afterwords when he was stopped. And the retcon just shifted the entire blame on the space bug, ie "He dindu nuffun"
Poopsmith!
me....
What are you talking about? Are you having an stroke?
Then Vsbw is retarded.
Mark…
I keep seeing people bring up Mathematical Universe Hypothesis. Can any of you actually argue why it is a good or complete analysis?
You need to read Hal Spectre’s run to get the full development. It was before the Parallax retcon and actually shows his sorrow and faithfulness in trying to recover from what he did through death and God’s redemption
It is but it's a bit complicated
think of it like Project X Zone but with popular Japanese mecha anime (and Godzilla). If DB gives Godzilla SRW scaling, Hulk is beyond fucked
no argument
Read the actual threads behind the VSBW revisions if you want to understand them better. None of this should be new to you if you did.
Later it gets retconned where he was actually possessed by a giant space bug.
Why do you retards write off the Parallax parasite as if it wasn’t a great explanation for the character assassination the Bat/Supercuck editors inflicted on him via Emerald Twilight?
Anon, for the love of god what the fuck was I suposed to understand with "Yet you can get a stronger energy than the energy you absorbed by absorbing it, which means that you + the energy is greater than the energy itself. Or, 2 qualities added together is another quality."
It's also a spinoff of Bandai/Namco/Banpresto's Compati Hero series, where Godzilla, Super Sentai, Gundam, Devilman, Mazinger, Ultraman, and Kamen Rider shared a universe.
I reformulated the first sentence two times for you. Are you just an ESL?
Looks like this week in the italian Mikey Mouse comics we start some boundless beast storyline
That's honestly his only win con though.
I don't see how else they can scale Godzilla to how high they put Hulk in the Broly fight (even though he lost), even novel Ultima isn't up there.
I know less about Project X Zone than Super Robot Wars though.
Omnipotence
Omnivastance's bitch
Your entire argument is that he purely used two lower things to make a higher thing, my argument is that those lower things run on higher level energy, something that darkseid doesn't have as he ascended purely by combining a bunch of lower things, in contrast to Simon who ascended via a higher level energy. Just because he used lower level things, doesn't mean that those lower level things aren't made of higher level energy, or that they can't ascend to a higher reality (Gurren laggan trascending things? How unexpected!)
Miyuki vs Monika would go so hard depending on how you use the 4th wall stuff, like having two versions that'd play out depending on a youtube poll at the live release.
not like the result changing, but both girls reacting to the result.
Miyuki getting the kill and taking Monika's body for herself would be so messed up and rad.Yeah, it might end up looking like Jump Force. Mmm, so yeah. Ignore that.
Deadpool and He Man work better.
updated it with a couple new matches.
Omega vs Cell, Makoto vs Tifa (cant believe i didnt add this one earlier), Mitsurugi vs Haohmaru and Iori vs Kazuya.
Have you not seen how people debate Ultima? That version is a legitimate match for high tier SCP characters
Most people who are aware of this debate think Hulk can't interact with or defeat Ultima in any way
My hero Max Damage will do his best...
Even SRW fans consider the phone games to be silly omake stuff.
But that doesn't matter because Godzilla is about to get legit console SRW scaling. Get ready for an Godzilla Ultima and Getter Emperor scaling loop.
Godzilla also scales to both DC and Marvel
And beats them all.
The worst curbstomp since Nia vs Yoko.
If you had to pick and choose I'd take scaling to Gurren Lagann considering what just happened.
I wish I knew more mecha to be way into these games, most of my exposure is western shit like Transformers
Right, but your argument of “it doesn’t matter that he added the two things together to make a larger thing, because all three of those things work on the same energy” is fallacious, since that means that they’re the same quality, since you cannot add two qualities together to make another quality (for the same reason why you cannot add two thoughts to get a number). Meaning that it’s impossible for Simon to jump qualitative levels by just adding the same qualities together. As in, because the only levels of “Outerversal” are qualitative levels, for Simon (non-Outerversal) to absorb Otoko (Outerversal) and become stronger than him, that means he must become one layer higher in Outerversal under VSBW’s metric, which means that non-Outerversal (a quality) plus Outerversal (a higher quality) equals one layer higher into Outerversal (a even higher quality). Saying that “but they all work on the same energy” means that you’re actually saying they’re the same qualitative level to begin with, which refutes your argument.
nia and yoko vs morigan tho
Because it wasn't "character assassination". It was legitimately a bold move in the era of really obvious fake out death events for Batman and Superman to have one of the core superheroes of DC's lineup actually outright turn evil. Hal was not written as the FUCK IT WE BALL type character back then, he was straight laced and rules following, so to see an actual darker side made manifest and then see him overcome it via his time as the Spectre was a legitimately great character arc and not something you really ever see in comics.
You really don't understand that having character development eventually being boiled down to some generic ugly demon that absolves you of all responsibility and is just some thing you can just punch out feels like a major copout?
Whats she got to do with TTGL?
i dunno you tell me man
? Even ignoring how the spiral energy is the absolute god tier of the verse by a mile, Otoko Simon used spiral energy to ascend, Mainline Simon used spiral energy to absorb him. There is nothing saying that spiral energy can't exist in two different level of reality.
ablubluh how can [simon] used spiral energy to ascend, but [simon] from a lower reality absorbed him...By using spiral energy, this makes no sense
You haven't watched gurren laggan, haven't you?
should i even make one of these for tomwile
this shit alone makes him a fucking cosmic horror. from what I hear is that Ultima Godzilla's atomic breath could warp reality itself. If they composite him and give him Godzilla from Hell, Hulk might not be able to win.
Additonally
But the same energy can't exist in two level of realities
World of darkness exist, and is all about this, xianxia to an extent, except with the Dao and ascending via understanding of it.
neither are tier 0 however
I got nothin'.
You can tell that guy is a comic reader with the way he wants characters to stay with the status quo
JOBracters
CHADracters
The argument isn’t just that you can’t have an energy working on different levels of reality. You can. You just can’t have different quantities of that energy add up to higher quantities. You can have that energy work at every qualitative level, but it can’t be measured using quantitative levels. That’s the difference.
A non comic read you mean.
Everyone KNOWS Hal has actually been on the road to healing and if you read the actual issues 47 to 48, there’s ZERO transition period.
Every actual fan knows the original plans was for the Zamarons to return and for them to remove the yellow weakness, Kyle was a last minute Donut Steel
That energy can be ascended though. It could just change from reality, like how we have seen the spiral energy do.
Sure, you can ascend it qualitatively. But to claim that you can add that energy to something else and ascend is not a qualitative ascension, since quality is inherently reducible to addition.
irreducible* typo
Never said that, my argument was always how the SE exists in both realms of quality, and how it logically should be able to be used to ascend because of it, and how the "combinations of quantity", are again, run by SE
they could've done something that literally no one gives a shit about
but instead they decided to do something interesting instead! That's...le BAD
Very compelling argument anon.
Also people saying they're doing better after a traumatic event before backsliding happens literally all the time.
"The Super Weapon wasn't your mech..!"
"It was me!"
Quantifying what goes from hypeversal to boundless is always funny.
Some mathfag will unfurl out some even more ridiculous concept like giga-infinity or universes with outerversal and transcendental structures already factored inside them
And then fantasyfags and religious people will go
u-uh well actually, I-I meant t-that okay?
and it just keeps zooming out
Is your HERO JACKED as FUARKK!!?
dcinthe80s.com
No, as in. It was an actual plan.
The destruction of Coast City and his breakup with Carol make Hal realize that he can't find the roots he wants on earth. He's inspired by the memories of the dead, especially his father, to become a better hero; he decides he must affirm himself first and foremost as a Green Lantern, finding his community in the Corps. But when he goes to Oa for the big swearing-in ceremony of all the new GLs, a new group of Guardians appears, claiming to be the true Guardians.
These "New" Guardians claim that the "Old" Guardians are impostors who plan to use the GL Corps to reduce the universe to chaos. The Old group counters that the New ones are impostors who plan to use the GLs to subject the universe to tyranny in the name of "order". Adding credence to the New Guardians' claim--and raising the stakes--are the Zamarons, convinced that they are their husbands. The Zams are about to give birth to the ultimate Cosmic Children, whose power will be such that whoever controls them can control the cosmos. The fate of the universe--chaos or tyranny--hinges on whichever set of Guardians can win over the GL Corps and gain control of the Children.
Hal--who knows the Guardians as no other GLs do, having seen the Old Timer at his most human and vulnerable, and having gone through his conflict with them and his "act of faith" in GL 35--knows in his gut that the New Guardians are the impostors. But the weight of evidence is against him and he can't convince the other GLs (the "Twelve Angry Men" dynamic).Hal has a choice: break with the GL Corps, now his only hope for community and belonging; or collude with something he feels will reduce the universe to tyranny. Hal chooses the former.
Nobody gives a shit about
You mean like how Kyle ended up compared to how Hal is the main character?
I understand that. But that’s still refuted by Saying SE is the God-tier doesn’t change anything. What it being the God-tier means is that fiction transcending reality isn’t removing the qualitative difference that was transcended to begin with, since that gap was bridged by a quality higher than both the thing transcending and transcended to begin with.
But you’re saying that because of this, you can add two qualities together to get another quality, because that quality that’s added to is above the two qualities that are added to begin with, which isn’t the same thing as what I said before.
Johns....
H.E.A.T.....
That's actually the shit that stopped Ultima mixed with the red dust.
Goddamit, it isn't removing t, it is using something (which already exists on the higher realm, btw), to ascend it. He is not using quantity, he is using quality. Get that through your head.
sure
How are you gonna argue Parwllax was a bad retcon when ET was a bad retcon itself.
At this point, it’s not about retcons, it’s just about you liking Kyle more
He is not using quantity, he is using quality
He’s literally adding himself to another person to become something stronger, saying “but they’re both using the same power system” isn’t dealing with the argument that one has x (not 1-A) units of SE, the other has y (allegedly 1-A) units, and x + y > y. This is basic logic.
i mean like what even would i put on it
all that i think could work is just...toonforce lol
The last part had some good deliveries
Yeah that sounds lame as fuck compared to what we actually got
Because Johns was an autist that needed MUH HAL? I remember when he butchered the Titans and Wally too, yes
Nta but spiral energy is also confirned as infinite, you should always try to work backwards to that for it to make sense.
nice new matches
You are misunderstanding, he is ascending because those person share spiral energy, which exists on a higher realm. There is no difference between lower and higher spiral energy with the exception of the realms they exist, because SE is a constant on the universe that can be used to get energy. Those additions are opperating on the higher realm,, because Otoko was already on a higher realm, it isn't the addition of people, it is the addition of spiral energy, the addition of spiral energy from a person that exists on a higher realm
Look up what "retcon" means, it's not just 'status quo shift"
Soon.....
...are not in that image.
I LOVE vanilla sex
The ONLY porn I consume is consensual lovemaking between married couples
I believe strongly in mutual love and trust
I don't need to say the name of my favorite hero, you already know!
Kyle’s sales were failing long before John’s, they would name her have green lighted the rebirth of Kyle was successful. Cosnidering Johns was relatively new, he would have zero pull.
Worse ghan we got
The equivalent of if one day, Superman snapped and murdered Metropolis to get Kryoton back
You can just say you like feeling special
Anyone but capeshit and shounen......
It is a retcon when it’s last minute change to the writing plans
Nia..
Captain America......
Also uh...Simon had already suprassed Otoko Simon after he realized that he was trapped in the laberynth., which was the thing allowing him to absorb the laberynth, even without that you could just logically said that he trascended everything in gurren laggan at the end (par SE itself), and should logically be stronger than Otoko, him absorbing it is just confirmation
those additions are opperating on a higher realm
This is the same as saying x + y > y isn’t true because they’re all z, where z is the quality they all share even if they are different quantities. It doesn’t work because the whole purpose of the argument is that there is some increase through adding the two of them together. Adding spiral energy together to get higher spiral energy wouldn’t work since under VSBW terms, getting “higher” into Outerversal (which is what you’re saying Simon did, since he became more powerful than Otoko Simon by absorbing him), can’t be done by adding more quantities of something. The same quality of Spiral power + the same quality of Spiral power = can only add up to that same quality of SE, but the argument needs that to not be the case.
Read Hal’s latest comic
Hey, iff Kyle can turn white whenever, why didn’t he do that against this space vagina? And how come he needs a spaceship to move light speed compared to Simon havung the fastest speed feat
Retardo bro, Simon had already trascended Otoko, and Simon CAN ascend to another level like how Otoko did, you saying (H-He can't ascend trough it), is basically admission of not understanding how gurren laggan works. I mean, theorically he absorbed an infinite ammount of Otoko simons, as he still bound by logical possibility (him being in the laberynth), which sprouts to infinity
You admitted originally this in saying that you can add two quantities of a quality to get a higher quality, because the only limitation was that you couldn’t transcend a quality without higher quality mediating that (see ) which is wrong
Soon.....
I mean yeah he can do all that but only because spiral energy is a quantifiable thing that can be added to and multiplied, willpower allows you to arbitrarily multiply SE. But that means that the verse never gets to Outerversal.
No. I was saying that someone can't ascend through a higher realm by his own, Simon ascended via using spiral energy (which exists, and dictates the existence of the lower, and higher realm), never did I say what you are saying.
Jesus Christ Raj, go to your English classes.
Kyle's sales were doing fine up until they needed to make him a special snowflake who was totally better than Hal and then plummeted when Winick started shoving in fag shit and Kyle getting cucked, no wonder people wanted Hal back if editorial was going to treat him like dogshit while also pretending he was super speshul. It's not like comicfags actually like real and permanent changes to status quo.
>The equivalent of if one day, Superman snapped and murdered Metropolis to get Kryoton back
One of the actual worst false equivalences I've heard in a while
Lmao
Kyle's sales were doing fine up until they needed to make him a special snowflake who was totally better than Hal and then plummeted when Winick started shoving in fag shit and Kyle getting cucked, no wonder people wanted Hal back if editorial was going to treat him like dogshit while also pretending he was super speshul. It's not like comicfags actually like real and permanent changes to status quo.
Okay, so he failed.
? SE in the lower realms being able to be multiplied doesn't mean that it can't trascend the lower realms quality/quantity, god, haven't you seen the series constantly spouting about breaking your own limits.
I was saying that someone can't ascend through a higher realm by his own, Simon ascended via using spiral energy (which exists, and dictates the existence of the lower, and higher realm)
This is the same as me saying
the only limitation was that you couldn’t transcend a quality without higher quality mediating that
thoughbeit
Me and your waifu
Protip: you can put a ">" right before the sample text you're quoting and it'll make it look green. No need to thank me, just happy to help a fine gentlesir like myself!
Edit: thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Nigga you’re saying SE on one level is quantifiable and on another level isn’t, which means there’s two separate qualities of SE, which means that you’re saying that SE is two separate things on different levels, not the thing mediating all levels.
Retardbro… you debunked yourself…
So in like 3 months we're going to see Kyle get some crazy new shit right
Still can’t engage? Yikes. No wonder Kyle flopped
He’s not even the Mexican anymore. That’s Jess
Sorry anon, I'm gay
Is sub light speed crazy?
You aren't able to read. You know very well what I meant when I said that you can't ascend on your own (that being the reason you initally tried to argue that SE wasn't outerversal), you are just grasping at straws now. Simon had always relied on SE.
Shut the fuck up nigger, just because SE could be quantified at one point doesn't mean that it always can be quantified, specially when Simon broke his limits after he realized he was trapped in the laberynth, jesus, do you think just that Simon always needed to be outerversal to qualify, mang you are mega retarded.
Probably something with the Light Entities I suppose.
PD: When I said that he can't be quantified I referd that he ascended in quality, his higher quality can be quantified seeing he got stronger in that quality (btw, this is already accepted, seeing how ergenverse has difference on levels on the same quality).
SE can be quantified but can’t be quantified anymore
Nigga this means that there are two qualities of Spiral Energy, one that can be quantified and one that can’t, which means that the SE isn’t the one unified higher energy mediating all qualities in the verse which means you can’t jump between qualities willy-nilly anymore under your logic.
You lose. Saying “but Spiral Energy is muh God-tier” doesn’t work under this logic.
No, a retcon changes a plot point that had already been established in the past
Clearly the answer is that every fictional character is outerversal since they exist outside of their original media and inside our minds.
Yeah, as in, changed established plans
Hey wait a minute, something's wrong. Most of the thread has been actual vs discussion, there's been basically no cuckposting. What happened?
Sleepy time for Cuckanon probs
What time is it in India? That may be a factor
Because those operate on different levels of quality, you retarded negro, jesus, are you an AI? You spouted about how quantity can't overcome quality (which I agree, btw) and now you are arguing that if lower level SE can be quantified, then it means that it can't ascend, you aren't making any sense.
ENTERRRRRRRR
Who?
Super Robot Wars games are, aside from sub-series like the Alpha of Z games, all different universes. Most of them are composite worlds of various mecha shows where every series just happens in the same universe. For example, Mazinger and Getter Robo are busy fighting Doctor Hell and the Dinosaur Empire when suddenly the Principality of Zeon drops a space colony on Australia and kicks off the One Year War from Mobile Suit Gundam.
Some games will also have dimensional shenanigans happen where all the series worlds get fused together into one and now everyone has to deal with a totally new status quo. Recently they've started combining the two approaches, where the protagonists will jump from a dimension that a composite of Mazinger and Getter Robo to a dimension that's a composite of Mobile Suit Gundam, Code Geas, and Space Battleship Yamato.
Nia canonically sat on Simon's face before
You’re literally creating a headcanon energy system under your retarded understanding of how the standards work. Now you’re saying there’s two types of Spiral Energy, the one that can be quantified and and the one that can’t (even though you said that can still be quantified here: ), even though the one that’s quantified is the one you’re trying to argue is Outerversal (Simon transcending fiction and yet being added to another Simon that didn’t transcend fiction for that Simon to become stronger than the one that transcended fiction). Your argument is totally incoherent.
About 1:20 AM.
Trying to get a full feats list for all of these characters for a battle royale
Blue Cop (Metal Cardbot)
Leader-1 (The Gobots). Funny thing is I'm in the middle of binging the OG cartoon and I got too caught up in it
Slashcat (Attack Pack)
Tobot X (Tobot)
Boulder (Rock Lords)
Aerobot (Go-Bots)
Argus (Robotix)
Mobile Mortar (Robo Wheels)
Magna Rex (Neo Shifters)
Dino Tyranno (Dinozaurs)
Jayhawk (Screechers Wild)
Evan (Turning Meccard)
The moon? Thanks for the tip.
Do you even read the series? Do you even WATCHED THE series of simon breaking his own limits. Simon first started with quantifiable energy on a lower realm, then got unquantifiable energy on the higher realm, then he ascended, then he got unquantifiable energy on the higher realm, jesus there is nothing to content (or atleast if you had watched the series). I mean
A. Why would it matter about the "differences" (I.E. Your headcanon), between different quality SE? Why would it matter, why would that debunk him not being able to use SE to ascend?
B. Simon at that point had already become stronger than Otoko Simon, as seen being able to break free of the laberynth.
I still don’t understand how Hal’s feat of synchronizing infinite lantern batteries in one panel isn’t better than the Simon absorbing infinite versions of himself
I’m going to ignore your grammar degenerating indicating you’re an ESL for a moment.
Why would it matter about the "differences" (I.E. Your headcanon), between different quality SE? Why would it matter
Because you brought it up originally. You don’t understand that I brought it up as a natural implication of your argument that there was SE that was quantifiable at one moment and then was unquantifiable in the next, even though the entire purpose of the argument was trying to claim that that SE that’s now “quantifiable” (the one that’s added to Simon in absorption) actually wasn’t to begin with in order to salvage his status as Outerversal.
..that were already written, not in the process.
I like to talk REALLY big but a single star level character could solo my entire verse...
Mark…
So.. why was it Kyle instead of Hal again?
I still find it funny she was likely riding him when they went STTGL so he had to focus on kicking Anti Spiral's ass on top of that
Fuck I’m at work but, Hal dying in 1996 is pretty much the reason why Kyle flopped. Hal and Kyle had a Vader-Luke thing going on, and had great chemistry. When they got rid of Hal, Kyle lost main event status, crossover opportunities and a reason to be in the spotlight. Why do you guys think that there were so manyGLC rebuilding teases in the late 90s, early 2000s? Of course, giving the comic to an absolute talentless hack like Winick didn’t help things either.
Hal solos
CAN YOUR FUAARRRKING HEROES STOP THIS DRILL?
Yeah? Infinity can be quantified (in the normal sense), that is what I was refering ,Simon went from quantifiable energy (finite), to unquantifiable energy (infinite). Also anon...I...You don't understand it right? It doesn't matter if it is unquantifiable, it can't reach a higher quality on its own if it originated from a lower reality. I don't even think you know what we are arguing about, cmon, explain with detail what are we arguing about, because I wasn't arguing that Simon transcended via using unquantifiable energy, I argued that he transcended via the use of the SE (which governs both realms of quality). Also you know that Simon at that point was stronger than otoko, right?
inb4. Lower quality beings can't be stronger than beings
SMT says hi, and it is accepted on the wiki, Which is very obviously the thing this entire argument hinges on.
This is the only good thing to appear in my recommendations after watching Simon vs Kyle.
youtube.com
Kyle is stronger according to then. Hal could barely handle a 10 year old
kyle represented a kind of unified will in a similar way to simon. i dont think it would've changed their results though.
Yes.
White is superior is superior to all other colors.
DC cosmology shits its pants in fear
I wouldn't stop it. I would listen which is what no one else did.
Infinity can be quantified
If you don’t know that under VSBW, mathematical infinity caps out at L1-A, I don’t know what to tell you. That isn’t translatable at all (and also shows your ignorance in saying “it doesn’t matter if it’s unquantifiable” and strawmanning in saying that my argument denies that you can use a higher energy for R>F transcendences).
TOO LATE IT DESTROYED THE AVENGERS TOWER
...What the fuck, what were you arguing with unquantified then? Were you arguing that Simon was boundless, because quality can be qualified in some sense, I don't even get you anymore
.....'s parking lot.
Were you arguing that Simon was boundless
Anon if you’re THIS far off in the distribution you’re a lost cause
…on Opposite Day.
Because Hal would have won.
The Source jobbed to this
MoePEDO shit is disgusting. I guess Death Battle’s sensibilities about sexism went away when it was their precious fascistic shonen anime.
literal moeshit for pedophiles
Grim.
Anon, if you haven't picked up that I meant unquantifiable as infinity, when I hinted it several times, then you are fucking retarded, and clearly are spouting about something you haven't seen
Were you arguing that simon was boundless
No, I don't think you were, but with your meaning of quantifiable, then yeah, being truly unquantifiable is boundless. Infinity can be quantified, maybe not in the logical common sense, but nontheless we are able to quantify it, and "different levels of infinity" (cardinals brain damage), we can also quantify quality because we are able to distinguish between two different levels quality, and the hierarchies of it.. Being truly unquantifiable is something like negative theology, because all things can be quantified by virtue of being bounded by well..Quality (or essence), unless you are arguing about truly nonsensical stuff non logical stuff.
INB4. B-But that is retarded
Yeah, your argument is retarded.
Hal was too scared
Haha wouldn't it be funny if a teenage girl just happened to fall off some stairs and accidentally start facesitting you would surely be terrible if that ever happened haha
DC bros...We lost to that?
Unironically tankier than every DC character
Hal, please stop, you're giving the Corps a bad name....
Honestly makes DC getting shitstomped by TTGL all the more embarrassing. THIS IS WHAT YOU LOST TO, DCFAGS.
I’m gonna rape you if you talk like that again Hal
Imagine preferring this to Yoko...pretty sad.
Hal, shut the fuck up.
If you think unquantifiable in the context of Outerversality means just regular infinity then you are mistaken; the unquantification means that you cannot use basic arithmetic rules, and even beyond that (to differentiate from inaccessible cardinals, which are normally unreachable by arithmetic) the analogy is through the empty-set; even multiplying an inaccessible cardinal with the empty-set would just be null, whilst qualitative differences view the things transcended as actually non-existent. It’s more mereological than set theoretic.
The argument was that Simon falls under arithmetic operations for his application of SE. Arbitrarily large operations, yes, but nonetheless quantifiable ones.
This is why we didn't let you into the Justice League cartoon with Supergirl around.
Hal, you're supposed to be lusting after me instead.
Don't worry readers, it was actually an evil space bug possessing Hal that caused him to say this.
Aya where the FUCK are you
this guys means unquantifiable? THEN HE MEANT LITERAL SCIENCE BAXTER SLOP
What kind of reach is that? How, how the fuck did you even reach that conclusion???? When someone says that something is unquantifiable, does your brain suddenly jumps the absolute, most retarded, and niche meaning of that? When someone says that there isn't nothing on the tabble, do you immediately think "yes, the tabble is currently suffering from vaccum void, if not straight up negative theology absolute nothing".
Uhhhh, I'm not sure I want to fight this guy next anymore...
>He gets so pissed that he goes on a rampage back to OA
Guardians could have remove/shut down his ring btw
writer forgor
Hiss.
in the context of Outerversality
The fact that you couldn’t read this means you’re literally retarded.
Cardinality isn't outerversal, retardo bro.
Alright we get it Boco how about you buy a fucking body pillow or something
Writer ignor
Honestly that feels like a line that you really, REALLY should try not to cross.
And besides, its equally about how much Nia bugs me.
Otto disappeared and now we have Doc Green and Boco being sex pests
Oh what have we done to deserve this
What about Nia bothers you
Anyone else dislike the 'heckin wholesome' deaths? They lack flavor.
You forgot Dex-Star. He's a pokephile.
well not everyone feels the same way and you need to accept that instead of butting in at every opportunity
They're fine when they fit thematically like this one did
Voice. That way of talking.
Okay.
iirc her dub voice is based on starfire.
… along with all of the Avengers.
…’s laundry.
you are like a little baby
We are Otto.
We don't forger, We don't err...
Yes!
If that helps you cope DCkek.
…and the Avengers themselves.
???????
I have a really hard time comprehending that it took this of all things to dethrone DC
Exactly.
I poop my pants...
Has Otto commented on the episode yet?
/DBG/ Official Tier List (2025)
BEYOND GOD TIER
Original Tier List
GOD TIER
Akainu
Thumbnailanon
shit tier
the rest
below shit tier
the fag
the troon
the Boco
It depends, endings like Kratos vs Asura or Jonathan vs Tanjiro come across as forced, while something like Kyle vs Simon felt fine and appropriate.
It's the same for "humiliating" endings, shit like Doom Slayer vs Master Chief in which MC is forced to kneel at his feet, have both his limbs chopped off, his neck snapped, impaled, disintegrated then this head impaled in a drawn out janky animation comes across as spiteful and petty.
DC JOBS TO TRUE LOVE!
Simon absorbed Avant Simon, who transcended his own fictional universe to... Another fictional universe (jobber)
MY FUARKING HERO KINGTOS transcended his own fictional universe to OUR FUARKING REALITY (BEAST) to bring back Anon Babble after the sharty hack, as well as to teach Plato about platonic concepts
This is what it means to be above fiction... To be a BOUNDLESS BEAST...
SHARTos…
I unironically think if DB made Boota Vs. Batman, they'd still find some way to make him job
Kratos doesn't wear pants dumbass
Jonathan vs Tanjiro's ending wasn't forced at all. They're two le super wholesome chungus guys, it'd be weird if there wasn't one
why would Batman fight him?
Go back to trying to fuck Hal, Sinestro.
he stole all the bat milk
Going to be funny when they do Superman vs Sentry and DC is suddenly way above 12.3D.
Also, there is nothing that states that the TTGL verse is capped at 11D or 20D.
Yeah, I know they had a little black box in the last episode saying both verses ''could'' be bigger. But it's not they ''could'' be bigger. THEY ARE.
In the context of the fight it was weird. Jonathan picks a fight with him over a misunderstanding and kills him, then expects everything to be cool when he takes care of his sister
ive never understood gurren lagann vs battles. wouldnt most of the characters they fight also have access to spiral energy on top of what they already have?
Simon merged with another version of himself to transcend a fictional universe… only to transcend to another fictional universe
KINGtos merged with the GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME, LeBron James, in real life
MY HERO…
ehhh the beastmen were a different case
how do you know?
I love tranny porn
Yeah, we know /dbs/ posters. You guys love that one fag from Bleach.
me
Anon Babble...
This guy is more powerful than Anti-Monitor, according to Death Battle
No actually. Aside from Lordgenome himself, all of Team Dai Gurren's foes have zero spiral power.
Thor...
Kill yourself listtroon.
Post Anti-Monitor deleting breasts.
Could Death Battle do justice to a battle like this?
Hell could they do justice to Punisher v Agent 47 v Golgo?
Anti Montor was NEARLY killed by Supergirl, who (contrary to what Power Girl fans say) has breasts. so he's definitely weaker.
He wears pants in the Norse saga. Greektos wears a loincloth.
Simonfag...
Alex Jones...
Depends on the matchup and how its handled. Simon VS Kyle was good in that regard
I'VE GOT THE BEST WIFE IN THE UNIVERSE
See versus thread on Anon Babble
Look inside
Cuck and NTR posting
yeah, theyre artificial "perfect" beings which is why they cant access spiral energy. but outside of the kree, there shouldnt be an issue with other fictional characters using it
but death battles are characters from worlds who dont have the limitations that the enemies in gurren lagann have, a character with a crazy imagination like kyle should have no problem tapping into spiral energy, which combined with his other abilities puts the gurren crew at a major disadvantage.
It would require the research team read a lot of books, something I'm unsure they're capable of. Ismahawk would be awesome for it, though.
It’s really fucking gay, but way better than being a sore winner not because of sportsmanship, but because the losers have to accept they lost to a better person too.
What a useless gun
All of the strongest men are J
There were retards here that really thought this thing wouldn't be able to destroy the Source Wall
Simon won because of his one and only true wife Nia who shared in the glory of his victory
Yokobros... we're irrelevant
My verse just shattered...
Goku…
Coyote cannot hax Tom away and Tom would speedblitz
Yoko's VA cheered him on before the match
Really?
In that case you should give Simon Lantern constructs because the current state of the DC universe has it so any strong emotions will cause constructs to appear.
Yeah I think its hyperlinked on the G1 blog under Simon's section unless someone else wants to post it
Her love and devotion to Simon is so strong it can give a literal hivemind heartburn.
Jap or dub?
Dub, it was Michelle Ruff
Kyle and Anon Babble….
Love that voice.
pfftttt
that's adorable
Simonfags now think every capeshit poster is a jeet
And I get banned for calling the Anti Spiral a slur?
Oh yeah and FUCK YOU JANNIES. THE ANTI SPIRAL IS A FAGGOT!
Who would win?
there's still cuckshit and fag porn being posted
I hope every Simonfag and Kylefag fucking KILLS THEMSELVES.
hivemind, actually. and we know they are. why do you think Simon killed them?
still going on about "B-BUT THEY'RE BIGGER"
Give it a rest already you worthless faggot. You TTGLfags get one win and suddenly it's "OH MY GOD WE'RE SO COOL BECAUSE WE BEAT CAPESHIT ROW ROW". You're not even the strongest anime verse out there.
Gerard Jones was planning to deflect Hal Jordan from Emerald Twilight
Pedos protecting pedos...
Its okay to lose DCfag
well, you're half right. there are other Japanese IPs that would dogwalk DC and Marvel harder than Simon just did.
Anyone remember the Tom and Jerry Fast and the Furry movie. This is so funny to me
And it's okay for you to be a faggot.
So where was this "DCfag Meltdown" that was supposed to happen after Simon won? Did you fuckers lie to me about that? The Raj doesn't count btw.
DC's entire cosmology wiped in a single match
Weak verse
Did you fuckers lie to me about that?
lurk moar
I always found it bizarre just how many people died in that movie.
that scientist in the beginning who disintegrated when touching his engine
the soccer mom walking off to die in the rain forest
the dark lord who got Christmas Story'd
that chad-looking guy who got devoured by the siren and her children
the old lady and her dog falling to their deaths
Feels good to be a Mecha CHAD. I can't imagine being a cape KEK right now
It's my favorite of the specials. I liked how the network guy loved Tom so much he just let him cheat and murder his way through the whole thing
Where is it.
Is Seiya the shonen hero with the most willpower?
Kyle
Gets cucked
Girlfriend killed so horribly they named a story device out of it
Simon
Has a loving wife
Loving wife gave him the feat to shove a drill down Kyle's urethra
NTA but just read the archives when the episode first aired
Loving wife gave him the feat to shove a drill down Kyle's urethra
Then died.
Simonfags are all ESL faggots
Now that's funny.
We know Kyle's dead, boco.
Tom has wish magic
I meant Nia. Haw haw.
It's like infinity. You can apply mathematical operations to it, but all you get is infinity.
infinity+1=inf. / infinity*2=inf.
In Darkseid's case, he's adding up finite parts of himself to become infinite which gets him to low outerversal(?) at best since all parts are finite.
In Darkseid's case, he's adding up finite parts of himself.
In Simon's case, he is *already* Outerversal by unrelated arguments. He didn't add up all parts of himself to become outerversal. Since Otoko was already outerversal by reality > fiction, integrating into him doesn't change that. While DS is trying to become infinite with adding up finite non-outerversal parts.
Anon...it's all just Simonfags. I don’t even see the jeet anywhere.
not in the canon AUs though
Wile E has a toon killing gun and is a stsr buster
Who cares. Yoko is better in those too.
Tom's a galaxy buster and Coyote is more likely to kill himself
That's retarded
nta but that's because he abandoned ship after kyle lost. all the ntrposting stopped for a time being after that.
Growing up, I thought it was BS that t
Tom keeps coming back, but now as an adult, I realize it's good TV
idk what say? It's just DCfags bitching about how Simon fought a no-name lantern instead of Hal or Supes with Simonfags spamming Nia best wife and replying what Dcfags are saying but with pictures of superman crying
'He' never existed. It was a simoncuck tranny janny abusing xir power.
So there was no DCfag meltdown? That's disappointing.
Coyote also isn't actually a genius. He's a retard who's full of hot air and has the worst luck ever. Tom actually has better intelligence and competence feats, the only reason he ever loses is because Jerry fights back.
Pretty much the only thing Coyote has is DC herald scaling (worth nothing now) and his anti toon gun which shouldn't even work.
The ACME products mostly backfire when using it on the Road Runner. They have a good chance of working on Tom
Both sides are retarded. Simonfags think every single person poking fun at Simon or joking about cuckposting is a salty Kylefag or the exact same dude
It was a simoncuck tranny janny abusing xir power.
are you aware of the faggot spamming "cucky simon"? every fucking thread
You'd think with how everyone acting like DC losing is a big deal there'd be something entertaining to read through but it's just a load of nothing.
They fail vs Bugs as well, and Tom actually has some scaling that lets him beat Bugs
Simonfags think every single person poking fun at Simon
there's poking fun and then there's spamming the same fucking posts for over a week straight
You mean the tranny janny that would also spam racism? Yeah, I'm aware.
Funnily enough, Tom and xianxia scaling, and an actual multiversal feat (along with conceptual haxes knowing xianxia).
Infinity^infinity is != Infinity though. You can do arithmetic operations which you can’t do on things that are technically beyond quantification (which is under the definition of Outerversal G1 uses).
In Simon's case, he is *already* Outerversal by unrelated arguments.
He’s Outerversal by scaling to an alternate version of himself rewriting himself into reality from being fiction, but both the real and fictional worlds are one possibility in the labyrinth which prime Simon added to himself to get stronger. It’s disqualifying since they’re part of an infinite quantity of Simons absorbed by another Simon, such that the other Simon transcends the entire Labyrinth and becomes stronger than the infinite Simons by themselves. That’s the thing that’s disqualifying, since it’s an equivalent to an arithmetic operation which is a big no-no under the standards G1 used.
TTGLfags and DCfags are two sides of the same retarded coin. One is a 17 year old anime no one really gives a shit about, and the other is overran by ESL and trannies.
Exactly like simoncucks.
I just like giant robots and optimistic messages
Don't act like Simonfags didn't do the exact same thing with cropped gay porn. They even linked it in a thread at one point.
Both you and DCfags are some freaks.
I mean there's no REAL meltys i think, some seething but nothing much. Just wait until hulk loses for a real meltdown
DCoper driven so insane he’s posting conspiracy theories
Retard bro, you got it all wrong, you can't ascend purely through quanitity, take it as a thought not being able to become real no matter how strong you make it, but quantity can exist in higher realms of quality.
I can’t believe it, we got everything, we scaled Kyle to our entire cosmology, and I tried to downplay TTGL by ingenuously comparing the Anti-Spiral’s size to the planet on his head and saying the universes were only 2D galaxies and spammed these threads with gay cuckoldry and AIslop porn for an entire month, yet we STILL LOST……………..
And hot redheads.
I admit I contribute to the Tom cuckposting but that's just because it's the next matchup and Tomposting is funny
Simonfag can't even meme right
no argument
You gonna warn me again for noticing, faggot?
Pages progress from right to left, but are meant to be read from left to right.
A plague on whoever organized this image.
that faggot was using kyle to push some agenda. I have no sympathy for him for latching onto kyle and making others look bad. It was apparent since he came from some subreddit called "india anime" or something. it's the fact that he physically cannot shut the fuck up about a single scene from TTGL and possibly botting too. It was a domino effect
DCuckold schizo meltdown
It’s already been established you’re equivocating on quantity (it’s not that unquantified means “boundless”, just unable to be arithmetically reached). Simon did that by becoming more powerful than someone ostensibly Outerversal (meaning he jumped an entire Outerversal tier by VSBW logic, since there’s no ‘Outerversal x 2’ tier), by adding them to himself. Just saying “but it was done by a higher energy system” doesn’t mean anything, since that energy system is obviously additive in essence, which is the entire purpose of this argument.
There’s no difference between this and Hal’s GLS2 feat
You can say “but Spiral Energy is already above everything” but so is willpower, that’s what Willworld was saying in having “the Universal Will” being the thing that sees the entire universe as a dream
Since this fellow was already qualitatively Outerversal, it's meaningless to even think about what he was doing in the lower realms. Otoko is outer so maybe he simply lent his qualitative outerversal power.
tldr; Addition of lowerversal parts doesn't give you the qualifications for outer. But if you're already qualitatively outer anyway and do addition for the laughs does it remove the qualifications? Who knows.
Mark is the ultimate beta male
yeah they do if you reach a higher level of Outerversal with it. That’s the whole point
higher level of Outerversal
That was never argued?
It's like infinity+1 being infinity. outer+1 is outer.
Anon Babble, Anon Babble, Anon Babble, and Anon Babble...
Regular Simon would need to be another level if above Otoko. That’s how Outerversal works.