Why was Iron Man so heavily featured in the 1984 secret wars merchandise if he was a c lister no one really liked?
Why was Iron Man so heavily featured in the 1984 secret wars merchandise if he was a c lister no one really liked?
if he was a c lister no one really liked?
He wasn't. He was quite liked back then. Kinda like Green Lantern.
He was more of a b lister. He kept getting comic book throughout the years so clearly he was considered profittable for the moneymen in Marvel to keep greenlighting it.
if he was a c lister no one really liked?
Because that's never been true, it's a false narrative being pushed by people having an 18 year long spergout over his movies being more popular and more successful with normies than Marvel characters who were "supposed" to be more popular and more important.
Any Marvel or DC hero who's ALWAYS had his own solo book and usually has a role in one of the big team books too is not "a c lister nobody liked".
The best part is, that isn't even Tony Stark. The Iron Man in Secret Wars was Rhodey.
yeah but mattel commisioning the toy didnt know the difference
It was a weird part when James asked Reed if he thought it was strange that a black guy was in was in the suit. Reed just said he didn't care about that and it was never brought up again.
That's actually Rhodey.
the whole 'he was a c lister thing' seems muddy
He was decently B+ through the 80s but what makes the meme is that he didn't have the runaway success cool factor in the 90s like Spidey, X-men, even Ghost Rider or Punisher. He was at that point sorta staid. A clunky atomic era vestige. The cartoon gave him a minor bump, then a decade later publishing found a way to make him interesting and exciting again and bumped him up to comic A list, before the flick bumped him up to pop culture A list, and then somehow comics back down to B today...
Had 2 cartoons in the 90s
Had a cartoon in the 00s
Had a large toyline in the 90s
Always ever present in all of Marvel's advertising
Why do people want to maintain this idea Iron Man was Sleepwalker levels of unknown nobody?
Around 94-95 when they made the modular suit he was everywhere. Loads of advertising as well, anything Marvel had modular suit Iron Man on it. Around that same time War Machine was a pretty big success. He was one of the popular edgy guns blazing 90s characters until Marvel went bankrupt about a year or so later and cancelled majority of their side books.
James asked Reed if he thought it was strange that a black guy was in was in the suit. Reed just said he didn't care about that and it was never brought up again.
Why would he care in the 80s?
Had a cartoon in the 00s
Armored Adventures was my shit growing up. That and the movie made Iron Man cool to me.
it's a false narrative being pushed by MCUfags blowing their own horn how MCU is so awesome, it rescued a character nobody cares about from obscurity and made him on par with the big guys
Fixed. That. For. You.
You forgot multiple video game appearances in the 90s. He was in a few and in an X-Men game.
Why do MCU fags want to pretend Iron Man was in any way relevant or known before Disney decided to take a chance on a Z-lister nobody that they understood they can do anything with wince no one cares about him?
You forgot multiple video game appearances in the 90s. He was in a few and in an X-Men game.
He was literally the best character in X-Men Legends 2. He was a secret unlock but still, the best character in an X-Men game wasn't even a mutie.
fully upgrade his speed buff
literally H2H every boss in 5 seconds
How did they get away with something so broken?
They later nerfed him A LOT in MUA.
He had one of the more successful toylines of the 90s. Since you can repackage slightly different color Iron Man variants and maybe give them some new thing like a spring loaded grappling hook or a red light and call it a laser and sell it. They all had interchangeable armor parts you could snap on.
Also there was a point in time in the 90s when War Machine was really huge along side the other edgy badass types like Ghost Rider and Venom.
I dunno, it was written anyway. Jim also tried macking on Monica, who didn't know who he was, other than knowing Iron Man, and she said "nah".
Making secrets worth unlocking is something lost on some studios. Why bother putting extra work if the payoff is mediocre? He was also by far the best character in Rise of the Imperfects.
Why bother putting extra work if the payoff is mediocre?
Kinda wish they applied the same logic to Xavier
Always found him to be kind of a letdown far as unlockable characters go, especially since unlocking him was a lot harder than Stark because it's easier to find 5 homing beacons per chapter than all those Danger Room discs which you also need to complete (the latter part sounds easy at first and then they throw those awful damage sponge bosses on the final Danger Room missions)
I'm gonna let you in on a secret. THERE WAS NO LIST. People who read comics? And there were a great many, They knew who all these characters were. And they liked them.
X-Men are always mostly normal squishy humans that can shoot or cut things. A flying brick that has lasers is kind of OP in their world.
I think you're getting confused
According to who?
I was alive, I've always liked Iron Man.
if he was a c lister no one really liked?
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
IIRC Xavier was primarily a support character, so he stood out less. Iron Man was a full-fledged powerhouse that could do everything better than any other character and then some.
Most of the X-Men roster are pretty squishy or weak outside of their niche, but it was funny that Iron Man was a far better melee character than Wolverine and a far more powerful blaster than Cyclops in a game about the X-Men. Rise of the Imperfects did the same thing, too. Who are guys like Wolverine and Elektra compared to a guy that can fly, easily shoot them down with lasers and missiles, is super fast, super strong, and super tough enough to easily beat them in hand-to-hand, too? They could have made modifications for the versus mode in that game to even things out, but they really didn't care if you wanted to pit a gnat versus a bug zapper.
Iron Man was a far better melee character than Wolverine
Better than Colossus and Juggs as well, kek.
iron man was, is and will be always a b lister
A c lister is more moon knight, ragman, black lighting or iron fist
He's the token black guy
Just flat out better than everyone, it was insane how much they didn't care how utterly OP he was.
This, he's always been a firm B-lister.
C-Listers in the Spinner Rack years were titles like Nova, Spider-Woman and Ghost Rider basically a character that carried a book for longer than two years but eventually fizzled.
D-Listers would be two years or less like Nova, Ms. Marvel (Carol's original run), and oddball stuff like US-1.
Marvel was aware of his potential, in fact, and kept trying to push him into A-tier
He got a TV show in the 90s because his toys were selling the best
He made tons of cameos in other peoples shows because people did stand a good chance of recognising him
None of them were ever enough to actually bring him into the mainstream, but it did built up a fairly large fanbase from MvC and such
The reason they made the iron man movie was actually a calculated gamble, the X-men, spider-man, and F4 were off the table, and they had only just got the hulk back after his solo movie only did mid
So that left iron man as the most popular character of the ones who hadn't already had the rights sold, he was a B-lister but he was the highest B-lister they had apart from maybe ghost rider, whose demonic imagery wasnt exactly family friendly
He got a TV show in the 90s
Let's be honest here, if that show was half as quality as X-Men or Spider-Man, they could've succeeded.
But alas it was kinda shit. The second season is an improvement, but too little too late.
Toy-wise he is just like Batman in that you can easily sell a thousand different variants with a gimmick like that. As well as vehicles, giant robots, and other accessories. And it all fits perfectly well with the character.
Damn
Shut up retard
no argument, just seething
As expected.
That anon is an NPC.
I think a lot of this talk depends on how strict your definition of A-list is. For some, only Spidey and Wolverine were a-listers.
I think people under a certain age point have a hard time understanding just how common comic books used to be even among the masses. A new issue of Iron man used to be sold the same place you'd pick up whatever your daily news was.