Kryptonians

Isn't it canon that Kryptonians can't get into space, that the gravity of their planet is so strong that no rocket can take of

No. That's fucking stupid.
Like I'm not even agienst evil Kryton but "they're like Viltrumite/Sayians" is fucking retarded. If your going to do it make them evil scientist.

I think this approach MAWS uses is completely unnecessary, desu. Kryptonians being a mostly one-planet people destroyed by negligence as they stripped their planet of a resource as they ignored the scientist who warned of the danger is a perfectly relevant interpretation of the story in the modern era, to the point where making them imperialists destroyed by their creation feels a bit like fictional trend chasing.

Then their extinction isn't as tragic and loses its poignancy. If you need fascist asshole aliens we can dig up the Daxamites or Zod for the same effect.

Greeting Monkey, I heard you were getting big for your britches. So I decided to stop by and make sure you know your proper place in the empire.

Viltrumites are just saiyans but somehow even dumber tho
Frieza's goons solo Viltrum btw

Nah, I like MAWS but just make them very humanlike. Make them a bunch of people who built a paradise on their world but through arrogance, refused to believe the people who told them Krypton was dying. And then they paid the price for that.

Alternatively, going all in on the global warming analogy.

Actually would Invincible beat Frieza?

Viltrumites are just saiyans but somehow even dumber tho

go so hard on the social darwinist angle that you kill off literally 99.9% of your race

You have to admit, it is pretty hilarious.

Telltale's Batman had them evil there.

I mean, it wouldn't be an issue if they actually fucked each other. Its seems like all the remining Vitrumites are volcels until they get to Earth and go coco for Human pussy/dick.

Because if they're evil instead of

"oh the couple who were trying to improve Gotham ended up being killed by the same people they trying to help"

and more

"oh those evil corrupt billionaires finally got what was coming to them, good riddance"

We're supposed to feel sad for their deaths, with Krypton, we're supposed to mourn the end of a great civilization that ended because of the neglect of bureaucrats instead of being relieved the evil conquering empire finally died.

No, Frieza has viltrumite-tier resilience, superior skill, longer range, and his power level is about when v-mites start struggling with DBZ

what if supermeng...was...le bad?!

brilliant!!! brilliant!!!

This would actually work super well. Shame DC never wants to do anything with them.

I think the implication is that they DO fuck each other. They're just so incredibly brutal towards themselves that they've effectively offed everyone except for the absolute physically strongest and mentally coldest.

One of the things I want to draw if I ever get good at it would be pic related but with Darkseid as Authoritarian Right, Megatron as Authoritarian Left, and Frieza as Libertarian Right
But I can never figure out who/what should be Libertarian Left

If you want evil Kryptonians, use the Phantom Zoners.
If you specifically want an evil relative of Superman, use Kru-El.

Why? general Zod already exists

Extremists like Zod and his cronies are exceptions.

No before Golden Age Krypton, Kryptonians WERE conquerors that took planets thanks to their tech. However they were pushed back, and in their saltiness and defeat they enacted a self-isolation and became super xenophobic. Their golden age was built on misguided pride and "Well fuck you, Krypton is the best in the universe so everyone stay away!".

I don't know why people keep forgetting this

was able to traverse the stars and conquer other planets

all went back to their homeworld to die when it exploded

Why did they do this? Are they dumb?

To be more clear, they conquered worlds with just crystal tech, not from yellow sun powers. Their culture eventually just decided there was nothing of value beyond Krypton, which fits the hubris of its destruction they were blindly ignorant to. They thought themselves the peak of species and that they would go on forever.

Also if memory serves The Guardians of Oa were not having Kryptonian shenanigans, and may have helped with their humbling. At the very least they told the resident Lantern NOT to provide aid when their planet blew up. Might have been Tomar-Re actually

Been there, done that.
Kryptonians already set up a genetics program and replaced all their people with superior clones. Then went out conquering the universe with crystal ships that regenerated anytime someone shot at them.

Guardians reprogrammed their brains into wanting to be isolationist and never venturing out from their world again.

Also Thanagarians, Rannians, and Tamaraneans remember the Kryptonian conquering of centuries past and could not give a fuck that their world blew up.

Those hover bike things look so fucking stupid.

might post the whole ting

Wasn't Krypton itself in a remote region of the galaxy anyway?

Every Kryptonian besides superman fucking sucks

recent zod story has him get cucked by Khund and his son, and he end up raping a slave prisoner

Power Girl and Supergirl just exist with girl drama

the rest are hyper jobbers that exist to prop up a villain or other civilisation

I can’t think of single kryptonian in any superman story that isn’t useless

You’re absolute Superman Krypton just turned it into Brazil tier logic so there’s nothing interesting there.

No,most things in fiction lose to base level frieza though since even one off characters like Jackie chun were able to destroy moons.

Viltrumites are just flying bricks, that’s all they are as a civilisation, every single piece of technology and support they have other aliens do the work for them.

Considering how all the aliens they have sex with survive, the Viltrumites are clearly less powerful than the Kryptonians.

Read Kneel before Zod

starts off interesting a story focused solely on Zod and his family

his son still hasn’t escaped the gay hairstyle that every writer insists on

Zod makes a deal with the Guardians of Oa to not invade anything and just sit still

he starts army building and city building which is cool

it all falls apart on issue #3

Comic writers once again struck gold and decided to replace it with trash, I also found it funny how Zod started giving a battle speech to robots and mind controlled primitives.

Why, that doesn't make sense at all since they weren't a conqueror race.

There are only two pure blooded female Viltrumites around compared to the fifty males. How the hell would breeding amongst themselves work its way less effective than mating with other races.
Read the comic you’ll see why the majority of them are gone

It would be cool to read a story where a Kryptonian is just going out on space adventures away from Earth. Like a mercenary or benevolent king.

DC will never use them because they just gave an entire sub race Superman powers but their kryptonite is metal which every single species uses.

The reason so many people like Omniman is because he’s basically superman but with a soldier mentality, not psychotic or Boy Scout type. People hate that superman when he just follows the rules blindly.

Viltrumites are basically general Zod copies. Really unoriginal even if fun.

But Zod is a jobber, even Amanda Waller kept him as a pet.

Zod lost so fucking badly that Khunds blew up his planet, killed off his wife, his second kid, the Eradicator, and all of those weird aliens he enslaved.

He's just some weird angry guy with third degree burns all over now shitkicking in a prison barge.

I want an evil Kryptonian that developed immunities to Kryptonite and red sun radiation and is just downright unstoppable like the Plutonian.

I feel like Frieza moves into the realm of cosmic being so Heralds and other guys with higher tier energy powers apply.

It’s a shame his wife died, imo she was a far more interesting character than Zod. Like she just acts on logic and rational acts rather than the bitchy attitude of Zod

hur dur I have a super secret weapon and won’t unleash it when faced with ultimate defeat

Talk about saving all your potions till the end of the game

For some reason almost all comic writers can only think of destroying everything as their common go to story for space characters.

It's always the planet blows up and only a few people are left.
The lantern corps dies and only a few are left
The Nova corps dies and only a few are left
New new new Tamaron blew up and only a few Tamaraneans are left
New Thanagar just blew up two months ago
Any notable space character will eventually lose their homeworld and most of their species at some point because that is all any writer can ever do.

Johns was unique as a GL writer since he built everything up and invented more lore. He made a corps, then made another. Then he came up with shit like Alpha lanterns, sector houses, the corpse blackops group, invented about 25 named lanterns with their own stories, added tons of Book of Oa backstories and mentioned other sectors with their own weird stuff. Every other writer just blows up the central battery, kills half the corps and leaves Hal and pals as wandering survivors...over and over again.

Except they have been a former conqueror race since post crisis.

It's not that they can't leave otherwise Clark's ship would have never been able to leave, Kryptonians just banned outer space travel causes they were space isolationists. That being said Krypton did have some colonies, them becoming isolationist who hated space is a late development in their civilization.

Their one weakness is bullets.

Didn't they invent about 10 or so races with the exact same powers as a kryptonian in the silver and bronze age?

Since they were retcon

The writers just want the character to feel more unique, that’s why they kill off their entire race so that the character is the center of attention and generic traffic background.

That would be cool. Like it doesn't at all have the vibe of a Superhero comic and is more like a fantasy/sci-fi novel or a fable.

Kryptonian man sees writing on the wall and has grown to despise the idleness and idiocy of his people

commissions a star ship to explore the stars, not giving a damn about the laws of short sighted leaders

finds habitable planets, live amongst its people for a number of years before moving on to the next

while planet bound he learns from the inhabits, slays monsters/demons/alien/villains/invaders and generally enjoys a life of adventure

almost everyone he meets is significantly weaker than him and is no more of a threat to him than an ant is to a boulder

but a handful of people actually manages to stand against him in a fight

decides he can't just rely on his superhuman abilities

constantly trying to make himself stronger, smarter and wiser while collecting artifacts, novel technologies and powerful weaponry

at some point hears about the destruction of his home world

while he was expecting this to happen at some point, it still cuts deep

goes on a journey of self discovery to try and find a purpose as the last Kryptonian (as far as he knows)

at some point maybe comes into contact with Superman

teaches him what he knows and gives him some weapons that might help against whatever cosmic threat he is fighting against, maybe fights some battles with him before fucking off to do his own thing once again

ends with him getting with an alien woman and settling down on her home world, happy to simply exist (until the story deems he has had enough time doing nothing and forces some tragedy on him)

I have only ever wanted a decent evil recurring villain Kryptonian that has a decent look. Superman never really had one of those at all. He never had a Sinestro/Reverse Flash/Black Adam type.

Phantom zone criminals were always one and done nobodies. Zod was a complete nobody throughout all DC history until very recently. Bizarro is just a weird retard that is not even evil half the time.

They should revisit the “kryptonian raised by Darkseid” plot. I think the animated show did an episode on it and both of them had killer evil uniforms.

The GLC mostly stands in the way of the big bad alien conquerors in DC. It's why DC space is not filled with big old empires like in Marvel.

Any Kryptonian villain out in space is going to be a criminal along the same lines as Mongul or 90s Grayven.

He also raped one of the female prisoners when his skin was burned off. I have no idea why the writers included that but they made it very obvious his interaction with her was non consensual and every time she shows up she just wishes death to him.

I was never a fan of the constantly attaching New Gods to Superman. An evil kryptonian Darkseid Elite just makes the whole group into more of a Superman villain than a universe one.

I want a Kryptonian in charge of an army, or space pirates. The same way most United Planets members shat themselves when they heard of Mongul and let him fly Warworld through their territories. Kil-Yu the Warlord pirate king with some Thanagarian and Tamaranean elite mooks would be fun.

So basically DC Frieza?

The new Zod storyline is somewhat like this but instead of a Blackbeard Pirate in space Zod’s interaction and story is just pathetic, nobody likes him not the writer, the reader or any character in the story.

Doesn't have to be a villain. Could simply be a benevolent warrior king who has taken a struggling species under his wing and helps Superman with whatever villain he is facing before politely but firmly telling him and his Superhero friends to fuck off out of his kingdom.

space viking Kryptonian whose sole motivation is obtaining riches and getting into fights

could be either an ally or an enemy of Superman depending on circumstance

I shiggity dig it.

Isn't that Raggle Fraggle?

An evil Kryptonian that was raised by Darkseid but then decided to leave and start his own empire could work. But the way DC stories are made makes it impossible for anything remotely interesting to happen outside of earth.

It was the finale of the TAS, evil superman fucking Lashina unleashed something in me that day.

I never got this guy's deal at all.

He was some mercenary guy that also took random odd jobs from the UP government, who also really really hated Kryptonians real bad for some reason. and he was defeated really fast and never came up ever again. What was the point of it all?

Whole thing turned into Supergirl keeping his axe for way longer than he got to exist. He just seemed more like an edgy middle school kid knockoff of Lobo

That would be fun to have someone like Frieza. A evil warlord type that makes minions out of various guys that are powerful enough to hang with him. Sometimes other villains he picks up, other are planet defenders that could not stop him.

He would be a fun GL villain too since currently Sinestro likely is the Frieza equivalent in DC.

There will never be an actual evil counterpart to Superman, that isn’t from an alternate dimension or Zod existing to get jobbed.

Because he’d actually succeed and there’s nothing any character can do to stop him. Like the elseworld storyline raised by Darkseid New Genesis gets destroyed immediately and the new gods defeated, not a single

Doesn't Orion routinely kick Superman's ass?

Isn’t that everyone’s weakness?

At his point who hasn’t kicked superman’s ass?

No. Go away.

The average saiyans finding all the shit viltrumites did retarded would be so funny.

Joker (arguably) and The Batman (2022) did this. The only media that did it right was the Marshal Law comics with the Private Eye arc, but that was a parody of superheroes in general.

I always pictured Krypton to be like Melnibone from the Michael Moorcock "Elric" stories:

Ancient race of people, civilized when the tribes of Men around them were barely more than animals.

Conquered the known universe, grew bored with it.

Decayed socially and morally.

Lost their empire to the progressing human nations.

Still maintained powerful magics that made their little island home country feared by everyone around them, even if they could no longer project power beyond it.