Rotor was always a shit character. Tails was always better. Rotor is a threat to my favorite character, Tails...

Anon, I don't know what's goin on with you... But I need u to tone it down.

Roight, Tails thread it is

I'd still fuck him in his fat blubber ass though.

I like him

Based

Tails, for which I like for whole plethora of reasons, all authentic and none self-insertous.

Why would you say that when literally the only “fans” Rotor has are fags who self-insert as him after Penders pulled a JK Rowling and said he was a fag too.

I like him because he doesn't look like he was made in a Newgrounds "make your own Sonic character" flash game like most modern Sonic characters do. He's unique, and that's good.

How can he do that when he didn’t even make the character in the first place.

Rotor is a threat to my favorite character, Tails

Rotor will never be used again so no, he isn't. Also ur a fag.

I really wish Penders got to do this plot just for homophobic Sonic

You think Penders would make St. John act all homophobic, too? It's more in character for him than for Sonic.

it's in character for archie sonic, same guy who got butthurt at citizens and Tails for wanting democracy and freedom from their nepotistic dictators

Or you like him because he's fat and you're fat.

Sega started pushing Tails as the tech guy

Tails flies a biplane with a rocket booster strapped on it in his debut game and as far back as SatAM he had an episode showing he was smart with tech. Fuck that Walrus, seriously.

I only meant to make this thread as pun (on April Fools', no less), and few of you are propping it up as genuine, including mentioning the other fox. Impressive.

I was right to assume Rotor, a very simple 90's stereotypical mascot character looking (that's a compliment btw), really does provoke horror on your average Sonic fan. Good. Suffer.

Might as well make it into a Rotor (and Archie Sonic related stuff) thread.

Look on the date I made this thread.

I just like Rotor’s feet

S'cool, feel happy yourself for identifying a bait thread from afar, even if I meant to jest it just.

He's very wonderfully cute. HI thirstybud. ;)

How do you like your Rotor's feet? Big and thick, or just smaller, slimmer like that .gif?

It'll be nice and riot if SEGA bring him back.

I prefer them as close to show accurate as possible

He would

.I don't think I will ever understand the disproportionate amount of hate Rotor gets. Even if you don't really like him, he is just a background character at his worst. I think he has some nice moments even if he isn't used very effectively overall.

I'd ask him to build me a fleshlight.

bump

Yeah, but it's implied that all that already belonged to Sonic before he met Tails.

for what purpose

yea.
it could be worse, he could be Antoine.

I'm pretty much a twink and he's still my favorite Sonic character ever.

A part of my passion on him is how he has evolved subtly along the time. I love his early Looney Tunes buttsnout look, I love his more compact chunky self, I love the coat he'd gotten with, I love how Tracy/Mawhinney/cia. draws him, I love how he looks on (if a little too plain) soft-boot. This walrus has so many trophies on character design, it's incredible and awesome.

Look at how SatAM massacred my boy

Middle is the best, but the top sort of reminds me of Danger Rangers.

I mean considering the followup was the Council of Acorn it was a no win option with who was in charge

I know this is bait, but piggy backing off of this, it's very true. None of the freedom fighters bring anything new to the table. They're just character bloat, and what character bloat does is it weakens both the old characters and the new ones because they have to either share traits (watering down) or have to give their traits to other characters (flanderization)
Rotor is a worse Tails, that's it. They gave him a "pragmatic" side in the reboot, but it didn't really matter since he always just folded to whatever Sally wanted. I honestly can't think of a more pointless FF than him.
Antoine has nothing either. His rivalry with Sonic is shallow. His "Cowardice" is nearly nonexistent, and Tails could fill that role already. The "family heritage" thing is already filled by Knuckles.
Bunnie's personality is already Sonic-like, and her insecurity about her cyborg parts is already filled by Tails.
Nicole is the most interesting one because the arc to try and become more human sounds genuinely fun but they never do anything with it, so she just ends up being another Tails who's insecure about her physical nature.
Lots of Tails knock-offs btw. No wonder the kid has 0 personality in that comic.
Sally is easily the worst one because there is almost never a need for a "leader" in these sorts of teams. Different people can excel at different things and if only 1 person is determining the course of action, then everyone else lacks agency and look like nothing more than a bunch of cavemen who can only punch stuff (Or hack, in Tails' case)
There is no story that you can tell with the freedom fighters that you can't tell with the core 4. There just isn't one. The roles are already all filled out. Trying to cram in more characters is just bad writing.
You COULD make drastic changes to the FFs so they're less pointless, but archiefags would hate it.

And Sega of America found it fit to erase all mention of this.

I'd rather Sally around then Amy, Amy sucks no matter how she's written with her 5 different yet equally lack luster characterisations lol

None of the freedom fighters bring anything new to the table.

The most obvious lie ever posted in a Sonic thread. Imagining Amy as an important character with a meaningful role reveals the post as simple modernzoomer seethe at a superior cast he never experienced in its prime.

He will now feign affection for Nicky and/or Witchcart to pretend he likes boomer Sonic media, just the "superior nipponese" type.

Rotor is a worse Tails, that's it.

It's funny because in SatAM, Rotor is barely there. He has like two episodes dedicated to him and the rest of the time he's lucky if he even appears in the background.

Amy's the girl, the support, the compassionate one, the mommy, the glue that sticks everyone together, the shoulder you can cry on, the Katara.
Sally takes away agency from other characters and gives nothing in return. She is a parasite character.
As long as we're doing ad hominem attacks, you should change your diapers, I can smell it from here.

Sally

Gives Sonic, a rebellious cool character, someone to rebel against. This friction provides a dynamic aspect to their romance as well.

Rotor

A mentor to Tails, who as the main mechanic frees Tails up to not be the pathetic cowardly useless chauffer he is in Japanese media. Tails is free to go on his own adventures, which he frequently does in the Genesis era, and to serve as Sonic's little brother and apprentice, instead of a geeky simp.

Bunnie

A Worf-like character, nearly as powerful as Sonic, and therefore able to demonstrate how powerful enemies are. Also, a constant reminder of the stakes of Roboticization.

Antoine

A low-tier rival character, and effective foil to make Sonic look cool as he defies his expectations. Also an effective comedy butt monkey.

Nicole

Sage but good and not pedobait. A reminder that technology isn't evil, Robotnik is.

Each of these characters serves more of a useful role than any Japan has come up with since Sonic himself- even Knuckles falls short since Japs refuse to do anything with him out of fear of the Big Penders Dick. The lack of these useful roles is a big part of what makes nuSonic characters and their interactions feel so soulless and inauthentic.

In conclusion, the Freedom Fighters gigamog your zoomer favorites.

Amy's a vacuum of charisma and charm that is either obnoxious in the post adventure or utterly lacking in any personality after Unleashed, also Sally didn't take away agency from other characters considering she got benched frequently in the comics for significant periods of time while other characters got spotlighting and focus including with Sonic Universe putting the focus on plenty of the rest of the cast....anyway all the debating is pointless since Team Chaotix is the best characters in the franchise in any part of it.

Rotor never mentored Tails in anything and Tails is made more pathetic and useless in archie than he is in any media, even the pontaff games

also Sally didn't take away agency from other characters

…aside from all those many stories that she did. Oh boy i love reading about how Amy is a useless little girl whose only lot in life is to be condescended-to by the furry satam oc and told she can’t come along

Since you're gonna be childish (More than a zoomer apparently), I'll not reply as well.

Gives Sonic, a rebellious cool character, someone to rebel against

Knuckles already does that and better. We're off to a good start, lmao.

A mentor to Tails

Sonic already does that. Like wow. Even if you argue that he's not really a mentor because Tails just follows him, that still doesn't justify the existence of a mentor. Literally no character in this franchise has a mentor, but Tails needs one apparently? And Tails being a mechanic doesn't stop him from doing cool shit. See Tails adventure.

nearly as powerful as Sonic, and therefore able to demonstrate how powerful enemies are

If she's not as powerful as Sonic, why wouldn't Sonic himself be able to demonstrate that by struggling with a fight? Why do you want Yamcha? Also, it shows the OPPOSITE of stakes to roboticization since she actually benefitted from being a cyborg and even turned into a little baby bitch when she was healed.

A low-tier rival character, and effective foil to make Sonic look cool as he defies his expectations

Ah, "character made to make Sonic look cool". Another Yamcha. Incredible. You don't need comedic relief characters if the main characters are funny already.

Sage but good and not pedobait.

Nicole has absolutely nothing to do with Sage so idk what you're talking about. Do you really think both Sage and Nicole boil down to "AI girl"? That's a pretty shallow view, even for a diaperfag.

Imagine if I went to ATLA and took their freedom fighters there (The ones with Jet, the duke, etc...), and said "Hey, these guys should join the Gaang and be a team of like, 10 people" and then made up a bunch of retarded reasons as to why it's actually to have these useless jobber faggots there at the final battle with Ozai. That's what you're doing, and it's hilarious.

But Rotor is a shit character that has zero personality anon. Even if tails only exist as a side chick I mean kick

No wonder the kid has 0 personality in that comic.

Not true, he's also a shameless simp.

Antoine Rival?!

PFFFTHHH GAHAHAHAHAHA NIGGA PLEASE

Op will selfinsert himself into anything except some bitches.

and a spineless doormat for Sonic who has no self-respect.
Do you think pontaff were big archie fans?

Amy's a vacuum of charisma and charm

I don't get what you mean. You're saying we need other characters to be compassionate like her? That's silly. No way you can keep character consistency by having Sonic call Eggman an Egghead obese asshole and joking with his enemies, then turning around and going all Steven universe whenever it's convenient. Amy fills a role no one else does. Sure, Sonic and others can have soft heartfelt moments, I'm not disputing that. But Amy brings it to another level with her aura.

that is either obnoxious in the post adventure or utterly lacking in any personality after Unleashed

That's cause they flanderized her and gave all her compassionate traits to Cream, leaving her with just the "I love Sonic" traits with none of the compassion, leading to her looking like a stalker, and she still hasn't recovered from that. This is why character bloat is bad, kids. This is what it does to characters.

also Sally didn't take away agency from other characters considering she got benched frequently in the comics for significant periods of time while other characters got spotlighting and focus including with Sonic Universe

Oh wow, yeah, she didn't take agency from characters when she wasn't there to do it. Great. But when she WAS there, she did. If you concede that the only way for her to not do it is if she's not there, then you're agreeing with me that she should never be there (never exist).
It's kind of sad how both archiefags and JP purists do this to my boy. He has 0 allies.

I wanna go over your rival point and why antoine would make a terrible TERRIBLE rival.

And yes im gonna use Archie, and Japan as a basis

Sonic as a series has usually been nature vs technology it's a reoccurring across all media of sonic consistently popping up but that doesn't mean it's always the case

>metal sonic

Sonic but metallized he's what happens when technology overtakes nature a soulless husk of a monster with identity issues

>>Knuckles and Blaze

Sonic's opposites they are sonics counterparts by being his opposites sonic is wind blaze is fire Knuckles is strength sonic is speed.

Sonic is sarcastic and a chill guy blaze and Knuckles are uptight in different ways

These guys are sonics opposites

>>Shadow

Sonics literal shadow he's sonic if sonics upbringing was different. He acts as technologies ultimate life form while sonic in theory acts as nature's ultimate life form

>>Scourge and Jet

Sonic without any of his positive traits. Jet and Scourge are the parody of what sonic would be if he didn't have his positives attributes

Both Scourge and Jet rely on alternative power sources and act like they're high and mighty all the time when they're both shallow wimps

>>Surge

Even if I have problems with her. Surge challenges sonics free life style on morality and his overall freedom vibe in general

What could Antoine ever provide that ant of these characters couldn't as a rival. You could argue Surge already does the authority side

Get real buddy

None of the freedom fighters bring anything new to the table.

you would have a point if they weren't first conceptualized in 1992, before Sonic 2 had even released.
literally the only characters were Sonic and Robotnik. the table had 2 things on it.

Lies

The table had mighty and Ray as well

So you concede that the FFs should've stopped existing as more canon characters were introduced and the FFs became more obsolete? If not, then you have no point.

he always just folded to whatever Sally wanted.

His "Cowardice" is nearly nonexistent

The "family heritage" thing is already filled by Knuckles.

insecurity about her cyborg parts is already filled by Tails.

insecure about her physical nature.

Lots of Tails knock-offs

only 1 person is determining the course of action

archiefags

oh, now i understand. you've never actually watched the show.

Yeah, I think I made it pretty clear that I was talking about Archie. If the show's FFs are 10 times better, then they're not the same FFs, so I don't care.

1992 happened before 1993, anon.

a rebellious cool character, someone to rebel against.

EGGMAN is who Sonic's supposed to rebel against, especially in the context of SatAM/Archie where he's literally the tyrant of the entire planet. Sally is meant to be just as much of a rebel as Sonic, which means you're arguing that Sonic's meant to rebel...against the rebels. That doesn't make Sonic "cool", that just makes him look contrarian.

It doesn't even make sense because most of the time Sonic is a glorified lapdog for the Acorns anyway. Neither argument works for Sonic's character on a fundamental level.

as more canon characters were introduced

soo... 1998?

then they're not the same FFs

they're the original FFs, anon. DiC's deal with ABC is what spawned the comic.

soo... 1998?

1993 already has Knuckles and Amy, so Sonic has a rival and a love interest. Antoine and Sally's purpose decreases.
But sure, SA1 would be a good point to get rid of them. So. Answer the question.

they're the original FFs

So what? Still not the ones I'm talking about. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there is some dishonesty here since Archiefags tend to hype up slop way too much, but I'd have to actually watch it to prove that.

1993 already has Knuckles

and he was set to be introduced in the show.

Amy

you mean Princess Sally, as stated by the US Sonic CD manual?

But sure, SA1 would be a good point to get rid of them.

good news, they were gone by '95. when SA1 came around we got... Underground. thanks, SEGA.

Still not the ones I'm talking about.

still the ones that matter most.

Archiefags

i never read the comics.

Why the fuck are you talking with me when I'm not talking about the show? Are you really that desperate to talk about it? Can't be that good, then.

gee i wonder why someone would discuss the show that spawned the character in the topic of discussion hmmm

Discuss the show with someone who didn't watch the show?

discuss the comic with someone who never read the comic?

do you need me to remind you how our chain of conversation started? it started when you didn't know when these characters were created.

Yeah, you're schizophrenic. Ciao.

looking forward to your reply in the next 2 minutes ;)