Why do people seethe over this? Dick isn't his son (he's more of a brother desu) and it's not like he's Gordon's age (he's like 60)
Their age difference is at most 15 years. That's pretty do-able. Who else do they realistically have? Catwoman is unreliable and Dick/Barbara don't really have that much chemistry, he has Starfire anyway.
Dick isn't his son
he literally raised him like one
and it's not like he's Gordon's age
he is still much older than barbara was
and with the added complication of being a mentor-figure
Their age difference is at most 15 years.
its still significant, especially when they had first met when she was a minor
because it's stupid and not wholesome
like always, its women and people who act like women screeching over this
he was under 25 you sick fuck, 70s edition
she gave consent
your argument is invalid
In BtAS, Bruce is around 40. Babs is around 19. I mean, sure, it's legal, but it's not insignificant.
Early 30s in TAS, late 30s in TNBA. Barbara is like 23 by TNBA.
Why do women love older men so much?
Asked this to a girl in high school it goes along with:
"A Mysterious vibe, always feel like they know the answer, and somehow I'm their emotional anchor"
Then again this might be outdated due to the ever shifting cultural norms.
Why does every TAS girl wear skin-tight shirts and have bizarrely sharp breasts?
It's against the bro code.
Because Killer Moth woulda been better for her to fuck older man wise
BTAS Bruce Wayne adopted Dick Grayson and raised him as a son.
BTAS Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon dated in college.
BTAS Bruce Wayne dated his son's ex-girlfriend.
That's gross. it was gross 20 years ago and it's still gross today.
Counterpoint: Babs is a hot piece of ass.
they need leaders and guys who have experience. the nerdy dweebs who cant ask her out, dont know how to initiate a kiss, hold her hand and be there for as the protector seem to not turn them on outside of romcoms and the occasional tomboy who has to take the lead.
she consented
stop your whining old and ugly
Actually, most age gap ships (even with characters the same age as Bruce and Barbara) don't generate nearly the same amount of seethe as BruceBabs. I just don't really respect the "he's fucking his son's ex-gf" reasoning because I never saw Bruce/Dick as a father/son relationship, and Barbara can date who she wants too. As for "fucking his friend's daughter", no one seems to point out the age gap between James and Bruce (which is greater than Bruce and Barbara). I think he has some leeway there.
I don't approve of the weird NTR in the Batman Beyond comic though. I just think it's not the worst thing ever for them to be paired together. Dick has Starfire anyway, so who really cares?
bro he adopts dick at 13 as his ward and houses him, feeds him, takes him to school and provides for him. for all intents and purposes he is an adopted son.
I'm so sick of Bruce Timm and his degenerate dickriders trying to justify his Bat-Diddy son-cucking fetish.
So if two siblings live with their parents and their parents die and the older sibling gets custody/guardianship of the younger sibling, does that mean the older sibling is now their father figure and any girl the younger sibling's age no matter how old they get is off-limits?
siblings
He literally adotped a child while he was an adult
Just saying. Bruce/Dick being like brothers isn't far off from how it was in the comics
WEH WEH WEH
you vill whine and you whill be unhappy
Actually, Bruce didn't even canonically adopt Dick, so this argument is silly. He did adopt Jason though.
The earliest comics had it as father/son. Making it brotherly started in the 70s.
Canonically, it's gone back and forth.
Back in the day wardship meant you were a guardian of the youth without granting them inheritance rights.
By the time they created Jason, people didn't really do wards anymore.
He's like her uncle
Young master dick
Kek
Let me have the run down of Babs and romantic involvements with the Batfamily.
Bruce - Bruce Tim, enough said.
Dick - Self-explanatory
Jason - Three Jokers plus that one or two comic scene
Tim - Arkhamverse
The only robins that Babs hasn't done is Steph and Damian.
Because Bruce is a wealthy old man grooming a woman in her late teens.
they arent siblings though. he's an adoptive parent figure who is older and not related to him. trying to turn this to a 'durr does the brother become a daddy?' doesn't work here. he's a male adult taking in a boy and raises him
Bruce Timm likes Batman and fucking his son's girlfriend.
Sean "Diddy" Combs ALSO likes Batman and fucking his son's girlfriend.
Curious...
He's positioned as a mentor/trainer. It's like a professor banging one of his students. You can never be sure he's not taking advantage of her under that dynamic.
Batman never raped anyone like the Diddler did. Batman also never sucked dick and take it up the ass like the Diddler did.
Lemme break it down for ya'
Older Batman + Jailbait Batgirl = sexy as FUCK
however since Robin's being cucked it's much less hot.
The more pressing issue is the disgusting character designs. Completely dropped the show when they changed them.
girls like hooking up with their mentors who look out for them and are older and wiser. are they wrong for their preference?
And now, back to stately Wayne Manor while the Bat-Diddler casually contemplates cuckoldry with a cup of coffee in his comfy chair....
This argument is invalid because we don't actually know that with the accusation being that Bruce effectively groomed her.
he is still much older than barbara was
And?
and with the added complication of being a mentor-figure
You think women wouldn't go for that still?
its still significant, especially when they had first met when she was a minor
Bro, plenty of women go for older guys all the time. It doesn't matter. She's an adult.
the nerdy dweebs who cant ask her out, dont know how to initiate a kiss, hold her hand and be there for as the protector seem to not turn them on outside of romcoms and the occasional tomboy who has to take the lead.
They never did. Women don't like nice guys, and they never did. Your mothers lied to you.
You'd be a lot more correct if Babs was a real college girl, still wrong but more correct than you are now, but Babs is a written character meaning her motivations is entirely suspect.
Because they wanted Bruce to be a young man rather than an old one.
The same reason daddy became a completely normalized phrase in the bed.
Yeah when you drop away all hypotheticals of College girls dating their professors or what age gap is inappropriate or not, the real reason is it makes Batman skeevy.
You can't groom a grown ass woman. Calling it "late teens" when she's above the legal age ain't getting you the W.
I don't think she was of legal age, when Batman was talking to her she was away for college meaning the relationship started before college.
And I know what you're gonna saying, she already was in college but actually there's no proof to that.
I never liked batromance in general.
When i was a kid reading dkr i saw him as the crazy guy who only lives for the mission and thinks he is a bat.
Wanting to kissy on the pretty boring ladies made him lame and human, now he’s just a basic playboy asshole playing dressup for fun.
I don't think she was of legal age, when Batman was talking to her she was away for college meaning the relationship started before college
No, it means she was IN college. Away for college means you're already going there.
but actually there's no proof to that.
Bro, quit it with the mental gymnastics. It ALWAYS means she's already going there. Quit being stupid.
Legal age is 16 in the vast majority of America.
Older women hate younger women and make it about the older man doing wrong to save face. That's all this ever was.
I guess it’s just my inner kid talking but then again when i liked batman i was a kid.
Was literally “romance is boring and soft, Batman is hardcore and badass”. Women fawning over you is more like what a teen/adult thinks is badass. When i was a kid i wanted him to be scary and antisocial
It's gross and it was meant to be gross streamable.com
it ALWAYS means she's already going there.
I don't see how that can be considering the sequence of events.
It's not Babs is at college, came back to Gotham, became Batgirl, started Dating Bruce Wayne then go back to class, that's like a whole ass semster she would be missing.
The timeline makes a lot more sense when it's Babs is a high school girl, became Batgirl, started dating Batman, then left for college.
It's not Babs is at college, came back to Gotham, became Batgirl, started Dating Bruce Wayne then go back to class
It's called summer and winter breaks, dumbass.
where's your evidence of this though? because that timeline makes even less sense.
This board really is just tumblr 2 huh?
It's been almost 40 years since Babs got de-aged and absolutely nothing good has come from it the entire time.
we got cute redhead Batgirl back, which should've been the only that mattered.
Oracle and Birds of Prey and even DixonWing could have probably happened without the de-aging, but making her Grayson's peer instead of the older lady in his harem made for a more interesting dynamic.
Plus we got Batgirl: Year One from it and that's still the best Batgirl origin book out there.
There's always Kate for redheadcest and the fact her design spun off an Alex Ross Babs redesign. Then she goes for Bette to show the lame original bat gal how it's really done and how to please a man.
batman is a man of focus, commitment and discipline
btw he fucked his adopted sons gf and impregnated her behind his sons back
Because it isnt what batman would do. A good father doesnt help his sons gf cheat on him. The age gap complaints dont matter.
Imagine you had a series where bruce actually marries selina, fixes her and they are about to have their first kid, only to find out Alfred has been fucking her the entire time and cucking Bruce and the kid is actually Alfreds.
Does that story make Alfred, Bruce or Selina look any better or does it just make Bruce look impotent and pathetic, Alfred like a man who would toss Bruce in the trash for some poon, and Selina like a cheap whore?
Her and Dick are around the same age in BTAS and attending college at the same time.
Dick’s college graduation happens around the time he’s about to leave Batman and it’s implied Babs is already out of her initial college years and graduated herself
Only after that does she reach out to Batman as Batgirl, with Dick skipping town right after
People always seem to be running off childhood memories instead of rewatching the show.
Dick's dad was John Grayson and Dick never forgot him and Bruce never tried to replace him or his mom. Dick and Bruce's relationship is complicated in all mediums but at least in TAS it was never portrayed as a father/son type of relationship. Bruce has built up too much of a wall around himself to ever let anyone get close enough to consider themselves family. Alfred being the sole exception.
Here's my hot take, none of the Robin's except Damian think of Bruce as a father.
But Dick and Babs weren’t in an active relationship. Dick left. This time it was for good, not like how he initially left before TNBA. Only after that is when Bruce and Babs they started having a relationship
Her and Dick are around the same age in BTAS and attending college at the same time.
except there's no evidence to this.
I'm just using simple logic here, Babs used to live in Gotham but then all of a sudden she is calling up Bruce in what looks like a dorm and what makes sense is that Babs had to move for college.
No. Alfred did most of that. Bruce was too busy with Batman shit to actually pay attention to Dick. Which is probably why their relationship breaks down so easily way before the Babs shit went down. They never had any real bonds outside of him being Robin.
Probably to avoid the child molesty vibes. Although that unintentionally made the normal adult gay vibes more prominent but hey at least that was mostly legal.
So in any of the storylines where batman goes missing, itd be fine if Selina gets fucked by Robin/Alfred the day he disappears? Doesnt reflect badly on her since batman isnt in the picture so he doesnt matter.
Honest question, when's the last time you rewatched the show in it's entirely?
I do it every two years or so, BTAS through TNBA, so I'm pretty familiar with it
Babs in BTAS is shown as already attending college, and comes back from it when we see her the first few times. Later she's shown going to the same college as Dick.
TNBA has her working a computer based job for GCPD. It's shown here. Maybe you're mistaking this for a college?
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I hate to break it to you but this is not evidence that Barbara is college aged.
lol someone isn't familiar with 2000's era Catwoman
Batman and Cawoman teased as a couple in Hush
then in her solo she fucks old ass Slam Bradley
a few years later, she ends up fucking Slam Bradley's son and getting pregnant
Names the kid after pre-Crisis Bruce and Selina's kid Helena
It'd be weird because Selina didn't have any kind of relationship with either one like Bruce did with Babs. Also Alfred has a stable head on his shoulders and doesn't make the same kind of self destructive decisions Bruce does and wouldn't stick his dick in crazy.
But morally? No there wouldn't be anything morally wrong with that as long said Robin was of age.
Yes, it's evidence she's older than basic college aged.
She's even implied to have her own apartment.
But this wasn't Dick going missing. He made it clear he was leaving and never coming back.
where's your evidence of this though?
It's called going to college myself.
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By the way that's Tim Drake not Dick in the limo with Bruce.
having a part-time job would not be proof she's college aged.
well that's not evidence though.
And did anyone like that story? Did people look at Bruce being a cuckold for a whore and like it?
Alfred has a stable head on his shoulders and doesn't make the same kind of self destructive decisions Bruce does and wouldn't stick his dick in crazy.
Batman is supposed to be a disciplined but I gues thats been tossed in the trash enough times.
the only problem is that I already used this scene as evidence at why she wasn't in college when she and Bruce were together.
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You remember the fan outrage from this arc, right?
The baby was put on a bus. Slam Bradley is still toxic. He's had maybe a dozen appearances in the 15+ years since the Pfeifer run ended.
having a part-time job would not be proof she's college aged.
There's no indication of it being a part time job, or her still going to college in TNBA. You saying it's a part time job is purely theory, same with her having such a job while being below college aged.
I've offered reasoning why her still being in initial 4 year college doesn't seem to be the case.
Your rebuttal seems to just be saying she /could/ still be and then offering no proof.
There's been enough evidence presented to show you are wrong, you're just being a stubborn contrarian now because you can't accept your whole arguments been blown out of the water
Timm was always a Bruce/Babs shipper and went put of his way to make sure s&p wouldn't shoot ot down.
it kinda has to be a part-time job because a full-time job would get in the way of her being Batgirl.
It's a dayjob, anon. They don't keep hours for file entry the same time Batman and company are fighting crime at night. She's not an active duty policeforce member herself, just someone working for the department.
She moved away for graduate school. We saw Dick's graduation in the Old Wounds flashback. She lived in the dorms the same time he did. They were graduates. She went back to school.
IE she's in her 20s.
Because Dick was for all intents and purposes Bruce's adopted son. That said, it's in-character that Bruce would self-sabotage the one thing he's always wanted that life took from him: a family.
Mystery of the Batwoman
Well that explains why it's a blindspot. Still, this seems like it's gradschool given the timeline
Timm and Dini had nothing to do with the /Batwoman movie at anyrate so anything in it shouldn't be held against them.
Burnett wrote and produced it and he was Dini's boss on TAS and equal on TNBA and Beyond, just as involved, though sure they had their disagreements that would get worked out behind the scenes which wasn't the case for the movie which was purely Burnett's.