At this point the only way to save Spider-Man is to retcon One More Day and everything after it. Just gut the last 18 years of Spider-Man by any means necessary, there is nothing worth saving.
At this point the only way to save Spider-Man is to retcon One More Day and everything after it...
I'd be down for that
Aren't you like 40? Move on already.
As a Ben Reilly fan you haven't suffered enough. Maybe one day you'll get a decent story of Peter. Ben is plain fucked going forward, especially giving his gf Tyne super powers.
It's well too late, man.
Better idea: Just stick to reading pre-1999 comics like any sane person. Presto, One More Day is retconned.
is that the one where peters radioactive jizz gives Mary Jane cancer?
They're never retconning it. Marvel/Disney/Feige have all decided that Spider-Man is for very, very young children and he must always be a teenager or children won't relate to him. Spider-Man ain't for you anymore, old man.
the guy in charge of this is over sixty and he's destroying his own company and IP because he can't allow things to move on.
I guarantee you they will soon. I genuinely think one of the major reasons they started Ultimate Spider-Man was to see if a married Peter could sell, and it's obviously doing that. Even the editors are surprised by how successful it is.
In fact, The Amazing Spider-Man is doing so badly right now that the final issue of the run was outsold by Ultimate Wolverine #3 last week. That alone should tell you enough about its current state.
The final issue, not just some random one, but the final fucking issue of the run, got outsold by a series that's only on its third issue.
And I'm pretty sure Tom Brevoort himself said that the reason The Amazing Spider-Man is still in the top 10 is because of collectors, not actual readers. I think he at least implied it. I don’t remember the exact statement, I’d have to check his condescending blog posts to fact-check it, and I don’t feel like doing that right now.
Good luck convincing a bunch of Gen X-ers, some with actual fetishes for NTR shit, that they were wrong. It'll totally work, they're totally gonna roll it back and not just stamp their feet like piss babies losing their fetish fuel.
Some of the current editorial will be out of the office by end of the year, lol. Tom just revealed the 4th cancelation for this Era in less than a year.
How do you fuck up so badly that you resulted in 4 canned runs in an era built on one of the biggest recent ones? Genuinely asking, how do you fumble this badly.
Why save it?
Genuinely asking, how do you fumble this badly.
Actively hate your readers and give them the opposite of what they want out of stubbornness. Really it's a been a huge problem in comics for 20-30 years now of a chunk of creators across the board just loathing the audience rejecting shit like One More Day and Ultimatum.
Sins Past was even older than One More Day and was recently retconned away because people literally never stopped thinking it was retarded and awful. Even people who got into comics long after the events occurred, their very first reaction upon hearing "Norman Osborn seduced and impregnated Gwen Stacy with superpowered goblin twins before Peter even got past second base with her" is disgust and anger, which is why it's been finally undone and he was actually hanging Mysterio in a wig.
OMD is the same. When a 20-something gets bored and finally picks up a comic book after only playing games or watching cartoons and movies, finding out "Spidey sold his unborn child and marriage to SATAN because his child was a prophesied Messiah who would defeat the devil, so he gave her up in exchange for reviving a dying octogenarian" people are not very pleased
It's fascinating how a bunch of chubby nerds going through midlife crisises 20 years ago decided to take it out on the character they claimed to love.
Ultimatum
I don't remember a lot anybody autistically sticking to their guns defending Ultimatum, though. Not like Marvel does with OMD.
IIRC Marvel quietly ignored the negative reception rather than picking fights over.
Some of the shit was even retconned (whether it was good is up to you) like the Ult Doom that Ben killed not being real Ult. Doom and I think Bendis wanted to kill Peter at first, but (he eventually got his way and we were stuck with a parasite ever since, but that's hardly Ultimatum's fault.)
OMD is a very unique, very specific brand of childish autism. The "cutting off the nose to spite the face" kind that doesn't really benefit anybody and is held up solely by literal "not muh" rather than any real worthwhile business strategy.
And yes, it's hilarious that it's done by supposedly grown men (some in their older years, even) running a worldwide business conglomerate.
Speaking of Ultimatum, what the hell is up with owners of long running franchises thinking they can get new readers by killing off a bunch of characters?
Iirc Marvel killed off so many characters with Ultimatum because they wanted the Ultimate line to be just as approachable after 10 years of Ultimate comics. How does that make any fucking sense? An event like that would leave such a big scar on the world, new readers would want to know how everything was leading up to that event.
I understand with something like Transformers, Hasbro wanted kids to throw out their old toys and buy new ones. But this is a comic book, you're selling the story. If you don't want to keep characters around, just shelf them. You only make it more convoluted if you need to bring them back.
No, that's Reign
It's hilarious how dumb you shills are
I think the logic behind Ultimatum was
we have a fresh baggage free universe for all the new fans to hop in so they don't have to read decades worth of material
years go by
oh shit, it's getting as convoluted as the main universe (if it isn't already)
what if we kill every character people actually care about? And try to make a new start with the leftovers and entirely new characters? That will make things less confusing and more approachable for new fans again.
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So yeah, it's retarded but that's Marvel for you.
I also wonder how much of Ultimatum's murderhappiness was on editorial and how much was on Loeb needing therapy.
Lol, you shills don't know the tide at Disney is turning against you BND goons
Titles like "Death of [Insert Character that hasn't been relevant in 20 years]" sometimes sell well.
Nah , even Bervoort admitted Zeb Well's run was a massive fuck up recently on his Blue Sky account . I hope this guy loses his job . Comics whether they be American , japanese , korea or french live and die by the strength of the editorial bullpen .
Color me surprised, then just fucking fix it.
No. Disney will always favor children and women over all things. This is how they've been since Walt was alive and it's not changing anytime soon.
Feige can go to Hell. I don’t know why anyone who claims to love Pre-Disney Marvel still worships that potato kike.
Grow the hell up losers, I hope Marvel kills MJ once and for all in 616 and Peter starts dating fat women.
is for very, very young children and he must always be a teenager or children won't relate to him
That's odd considering Batman is most popular as an adult and Pete is most popular in college.
IT'S NEVER TOO LATE
I started reading Spider-Man with Slott's run and it fucking sucked
Then I went back and read JMS and it was good, then I went right back to the start and that was good too. Post-OMD Spider-Man just plain sucks ass
OMD is... 2007, right?
So it's been ~18 years, nearly 2 decades.
What has Marvel put out in that time that you would recommend people read?
I'll start it off with the easy ones :
Axis Carnage - It's short and fun.
Yost's Scarlet Spider - It's neat to see other cities.
Hasting's Gwenpool - Lighthearted series, only good run she's ever had. If you don't like it by the 3rd issue, drop it.
The new Holland movie is called Brand New Day.
You're still not satisfied?
That's because his life progressed, he actually had a life outside of his career
Rebooting ASM would require a hard-reset, like Peter's death causing the collapse of post-OMD 616 because he's that timeline's anchor
Call it two more days
Nah, new one should be a radical reimagining
Call it 'Spider-Man: Minus One"
Does anyone want to even work at Marvel Comics anymore?
I don't mean writing or drawing capeshit, I mean working as editor for Marvel Comics. Like does anyone here even consider that a dream job anymore?
The pathways to getting that kind of job are extremely narrow. Everyone knows the pay is shit for younger generations trying to enter the job field.
Is there anyone who will do what it takes to professionally make it to the Marvel Bullpen
AND hates OMD and wants to do it
AND is savvy enough to know that they can't open their big mouth as a freshman editor, but will need to play career politics for years and gain creative power until they're finally in a Quesada-like position where they can pitch to Disney suits that they should give the green light on undoing OMD?
Unless there's an editor currently privately trying to bury Nick Lowe and whoever else to Feige and execs, with the mission of getting control of Spider-Man and undoing it
Didn't one writer try to retcon OMD and get Peter and MJ back together and was instantly fucked by executives and forced to cuck out of it, before getting replaced by the guy that introduced Paul?
The Kid Loki saga was the best writing Marvel put out in the last two decades.
Are you talking about just the Spider-Man universe? If so, I just cannot recommend much of any mainline 616 Peter Parker. Since OMD, I've enjoyed
Superior Foes of Spider-Man
Remender then Bunn's Agent Venom
(I also liked Venom Spaceknight as the conclusion)
Yost's Scarlet Spider (and his New Warriors as a coda was fine)
the Carnage ongoing by Gerry Conway
PAD's Ben Reilly + 2099 books. and his Symbiote Spider-Man minis.
the Renew Your Vows alt-u mini and ongoing
yeah sure Gwenpool counts, I've loved all her books
i liked that first run of Spider-Gwen by LaTour and Rodriguez
honorable mention: DC's Sideways
Frank Tieri's Ravencroft mini/one shots is my kind of fun slop
Venom and Anti-Venom in Savage Avengers
Joe Kelly's Spider Man/Deadpool has been the only 616 Peter book I've enjoyed?
Ewing's Venom
I didn't *hate* Cates' run on Venom and everything he did with le King in Black, but I also thought it was really stupid and wouldn't recommend it to anyone
Does anybody not working for Marvel even like One More Day?
I've seen some people say they thought it was a good story until Mephisto won.
which is why it's been finally undone and he was actually hanging Mysterio in a wig.
Kys faggot
Imagine if Peter regained his previous memories, recruited Dr. Strange and Ghost Rider, went down to hell and kicked Mephisto's ass until he changed everything.
still blaming loeb when it was bendis's idea
Loeb wanted Ultimatum to be another small crossover like X4 or War, but then Bendis thought they should make it bigger. McGuiness art in Ultimate Hulk Annual was originally Ultimates 4 and was going to be about Zarda in the 1610. Once Bendis got involved they brought in the two Heroes writers, Ellis, Millar, and the editors to plan out the whole event. Loeb's name is just on the cover for an event written by a committee.
PAD's Scarlet Spider and the 2010s 2099 books were pretty mediocre