Death Battle

When does Simon face a REAL challenge?

Godzilla bros, our answer?

Other than Superman and Kratos, I don't think there IS anyone who could give him a real challenge.

At what point does a feat turn into a fancalc?

FODDERtos

Let's be real here.

INFINITE DIMENSIONAL BEAST!!!!

Doubting KINGtos himself.

Don't make me bring up the cookbook.

FRAUDtos

Cmon bro

Have you used the cookbook to make food?

KRAKA-DOOOOOOOOOOM
ENTEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR
THOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR
THE GOOOOOOD OF THUNDEEEEEEEEER

a hypoversal character who's seen as fiction by regular people doesn't need planet busters to job

Eh comicbros....

Based take but this will go over powerscalers's heads

JOBnny Cates

Jobbed and lost. Thor? Immortal.

He's not wrong

Furniture tier?

David is objectively more powerful than Goliath

Who are the most heinous examples of a Potential Man?

David is blessed and empowered by an omnipotent God

he scales to omnipotence and far above wall level Goliath

Underdog battle my ass.

omnipotent

*planet level

The Su-57

I'm fairly certain if LOTR/Narnia was written like Marvel and DC then Eru and Aslan would've jobbed numerous times and they'd be seen as absolute jokes and laughingstocks.

the bible made supposed omnipotent top tiers job to fodder before DC and Marvel ever did

KWAB

Post Eru destroying a planet

Thor is INCALCULABLE confirmed

VS battle wiki always holds back a character's true potential

vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Popeye <<<<<< character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Popeye_(Canon,_Composite)/Denim_Valentine

rewatching the Simon vs Goku DBcast

Ben has to asspull DB timelines being "dimensions" for Goku for him to stand even a ghost of a chance

Seems completely flabbergasted by what spiral power does

I'm glad they at least came more prepared with evidence for the Kyle cast at least.

Well obviously, that how capeshit works. Every mystical superior powerful thing has to job to the old established characters who then job to each other and to new characters (who will in turn job to the old ones again when their turn in the limelight is over).
Noting is sacred.

Post Aslan destroying a planet

*that's
*nothing
I jobbed...

No fuck you, we are not going to further stratify powerscaling.

Since I love them both I can't decide who's better.

their wish granting has no limits and can do ANYTHING the wielder wants with no constraints

WishGODS we have TRUE LIMITLESS POWER unlike all the other finitely capped frauds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isnt it composite Godzilla? Should have shin and other Godzilaa regeneration and evolving speed. This Godzilla is gonna look like a freak once it starts evolving.

youtube.com/watch?v=mtQ0Gy5Ys80&pp=ygUPV2hhdCBpbSBtYWRlIG9m

Not even vibranium bullet level

NLF actually makes sense here.

Does Bowser have an answer to Darkspine or Excalibur Sonic? Also will Sonic's forms stack?

Outerversal bullet btw

he doesn't have an limitless wish granting device

Finite fodder tier.

Not even cat level. KEK!!!

Bring me Ass Ketchup!

How combat skilled is Thor? He seems like a noob compared to Goku or even Kenshiro

He's busy soloing digimon

How strong is Mega XLR?

Below Falcon level

They have a retcon button.

He's not wrong

Umineko

World of Darkness victims.

CHADmon, the arc of his character across the series is top kino.

OH NO!
HE'S NOT GONNA GO
3 - 0

Tom's face when Coyote whips out a super soaked full of Dip from who framed Rodger Rabbit

Would genuinely much rather see this than the fight we got. Megas has the kind of cartoon bullshit logic that can actually match the TTGL.

nlf always makes sense. it's cope made up by tards who can't admit their "me punch strong" heroes get negged by any hax they don't specifically resist.

Why is DB like this

Anon they benefit from NLF too

asura is stronger than simon. there, i said it.

Death Battle thinks that this FtM tranny looking bitch is beating Master Chief

Kratos's beyond infinite power dwarfs Kyle's tiny finite amount. Death Battle themselves made that that clear. Kratos is just way stronger than Kyle could ever hope to be because one has finite energy while INFINITEtos doesn't. You can't close the gap between a finite power like Asura and true infinite power like GODtos. Simon had an advantage because he had infinite growth and all he needed to do was surpass the finite power of Kyle.

now that you mention it...

Fact 1: KINGtos can beat up every character that will be posted in this thread with zero difficulty.

Fact 2: No character posted that will be posted in this thread would stand a chance against KINGtos in a fight.

Fact 3: Every character that will be posted in this thread other than KINGtos would get beaten up by the Foot Fetish Lemur from Madagascar

he’s here

Bring my SHOVEL!!!

Post the next page where Thor is completely unharmed NOW

I turned the page and Thor turned into a zombie.

KWAB

He got dropped for the whole story and struggled with a black panther villain

Vibranium>Mjolnir

Since most writers think like this, isn't ignoring anti feats justified? The writer will acknowledge that a stronger character will lose or underperform for the sake of "good writing"

Kyle vs Simon reached 1.2 million views

so this is the power of the spiral...

Depends on how much gear you want to give Bowser. Since it isn't a team fight, he would be losing out on access to Fury Bowser (unless you specifically do Fury Bowser vs Super Sonic). If you play things out like 100th Episode Mario and give Bowser access to all of the power ups and special gear he's used, well Sonic might stand a chance initially, but it is likely that Bowser would eventually use magic and turn Sonic into something he could just out right crush.
The closest thing we've seen in terms of transmutation resistance is the planet cracker Eggman uses via absorbing the Super Sonic out of Sonic and being turned into the Werehog. I say resistance because material seems to imply that most things inflicted with this sort of effect would turn into maddened beasts like the other Dark Gaia beasts.
This also applies to unscaled and innate abilities too, since Bowser can just straight up do magic

Sometimes writers make their characters really strong by not understanding what they write. I don't think it's a good reason to ignore anti-feats else you get MFTL Kratos carrying boars for minutes on end

I think it should be treated like a boss fight answer Bowser should have access to Kamek and Bowser Jr only for power ups then they fuck off after and dont actuslly participate in the fight.

I think a lot of the issues stem from the imperfect language that gets used in powerscaling. Like what exactly is the difference between a feat that demonstrates a limitation, an antifeat, and a vulnerability?
We've reached a point that some people consider it an antifeat for Superman to get debilitated by Kryptonite because there are times where he's ignored the effects of Kryptonite.

Assuming Sonic has Exaclbur he should be able to neg any magic attacks. Idk if Sonic can stack his forms though. So theres an issue for him. He might be able to pull something off if he can stack Darkspine, Excalibur, and Super Sonic 2 but again thats assuming they can even stack.

The thing is, I don't think it really matters. Unless you are using an out of character bloodlusted Sonic, Bowser is typically going to get serious faster than the Blue Blur.
That gives Bowser a huge advantage in terms of escalating the scenario to a place where Sonic is unable to invoke the Chaos Emeralds before losing the combat.
Unlike some of Sonic's other opponents, Bowser also has a lot more experience with powerful artifacts that enhance the user, so there's a good chance he might just steal one of the emeralds and leave Sonic in a sour spot.

I think often what matters is consistency, unless it's very important to the narrative to make them use a single feat to be super strong I often just say "if you doubt this, he's X strong, otherwise his consistent display is Y" for the sake of argument.

The main issue is that Excalibur Sonic is even less standard than Super Sonic. It required the input of the three other Sacred Swords and the power of Nimue (Lady of the Lake) to allow Sonic to transcend in this manner.
Given that after the Merlina/Dark Queen fight Caliburn is back in his base state and the Knights had their weapons again, this would serve to say that it isn't something Sonic can just do out of the blue.

I'M SIMON THE DIGGER! IF THERE'S A WALL IN MY WAY, I'LL SMASH IT DOWN!

GIGAAAAA DRILLLL BREEEEEEAAAK

I agree with you, consistency and narrative alignment are the attributes we need to invoke more often when it comes to 'sanity checking' a character's powerlevel.
I admit I am biased though, as this approach affords more to characters from narratives with serial escalation like TTGL and Dragon Ball. Because it gives those character's powerlevels more legitimacy than those originating from more episodic and serially episodic pieces like cartoons and comics that are often my 'opponents.'

Post Featherine destroying an hypoverse.

To go further on this you could use Hokuto no Ken as an example.
Kenshiro is normally at least FTE, the later SnK manga & Regenesis (prequels to HnK) establish that martial artists weaker than Ken can dodge sniper bullets or machine gun fire after they're shot and have entire battles fought at that speed. Ken often fodderizes people with crossbows and arrows and so on. That's an acceptable level of speed. Then you suddenly tread in on more fantastical feats that are harder to buy like stopping 1100 simultaneous strikes, making a wall of 1000 palms, striking without leaving a shadow and many other very Wuxia-derived techniques.
There's cloud-splitting feats too, but those feel more like they're making visual allegories for the story, you can say "oh, we'll ignore them for the sake of argument" in that case and love on to more consistent stuff, which ranges from fingerflicking buildings in SnK to carrying around building sized boulders with 1/3rd of your strength, stopping trains with punches or reversing waterfalls with ki. All of that sounds much closer to the same ballpark.
You can go with the consistent showing as a baseline, then argue how fast the other shit is, but what's more important is to set precedent that you can argue with or without the feats.
In our case, since we're dealing with modern DB, we often default to using most feats we can see them taking at face value because the thread is specifically discussing the series and gauging how retarded it is, but in a real Vs discussion you're afforded flexibility. I think you can at least tell from experience eventually as to what is being overplayed and what isn't. Generally I think statements need to be more clearly scrutinized as long as it makes sense to do so, they can either empower or depower based on on-screen feats after all. Of course, Kratos has never jumped to other planets.

Oh? You are looking for a genuine challenge for Simon? Let me think for a moment.

Hmm... here is Car from Garn47.

Simon must slay this Car.

Inb4 is the Car evil?

No, he is more of a neutral alignment, AND HE MUST SLAY THIS NEUTRAL CAR!

nikotard is spamming Anon Babble

again

oof Gally's got me cornered here... hmmmm..

"Right before Galactus could use the Ultimate Nullifier to defeat Simon, a Spiral Parasite launched itself into his asshole and started to devour the Power Cosmic and convert it into Spiral Power, giving Simon the power he needed to kick his ass once and for all"

that should do it!

I would give my life to protect Car. But then again he just dies sometimes (he does that).

TRVE SCALING:

Superman: Continental - Planetary -Multi-Planetary (Star Level in best showings)

Goku: Planetary - Multi-Planetary (Star Level in best showings, wankable to Galaxy level)

Kratos: Mountain

Asura: Galaxy (potentially universal)

Simon: Galaxy - Universal - Multiversal

Anyone else should be added here?

What the fuck are these lowballs

Anon is probably scaling purely off on-screen feats, reminding everyone that neither superfag or gokufag have destroyed a universe.

Yeah KINGtos is Boundless and casually destroyed multiple outer verses and his cookbook puts him beyond that

Star level in best showings

True!

I also feel like there is an aversion to treating some systems as Magic A doing Magic A. Like Death Battle giving Madara tree amounts of energy that he could use as direct force.

Give me the trve scaling for Joker, Spawn, and Omni-Man

I feel like Goku ought to benefit more from his story structure, he's always fighting stronger guys and each stronger guy is treated as much stronger than the previous guy.
It kinda works out if you treat each stronger foe as an order of magnitude stronger than the last to a point.

ENTER

Joker: Human level

Spawn: City Block - Island Level - Planetary (Universal after eating Forbidden Fruit)

Omni-Man: Country

Yeah unless the system is explicit about it then energy is not always equivalent unless demonstrated. I'm no expert on Naruto but I heard Madara was far worse than Might Guy at Taijutsu which is why he got his ass handed to him by Guy. That implies he's sucky specifically at putting that power to melee unlike what he did in that DB.

>Joker: Human level

Lmfao

Awww man you almost had it. It's not just a good reason to ignore anti feat
It's a good reason to ignore outliers in general (both high ends and anti-feats) for comicbooks characters. Since comicbook characters have a tendency of sometimes hitting way above their average paygrade , as well as way below their average pay grade at times rating them on their average performance is more fair.

Simon bros… he’s stronger than all Spiral Power put together…

H-he’s… THE ONE BEYOND ALL

Let's say that DB ignored dimensional bullshit both for DC and GL. Would Simon still win in that situation?

Jobs to Simon's buddy Coop
This is the image Beyonder sees in his nightmares

I mean the TTGL was explicitly infinite in power and the Giga Drill clash even gets the visual metaphor across. Without dimension wank that's pretty hard to top.

most powerful and handsome twink in fiction according to death battle

The long and the short of it is that Simon has the answers for what Kyle could throw at him and Kyle lacks the disposition to be able to use his powers most effectively, so he'd fizzle out emotionally before Simon would even get close.

Dragon ball actually has in universe powerscaling unlike comicbooks so why ignore that?

NONONO! COOP PLEASE DON'T RETCON ME-AIIIIEEEEEEEEE! O-OKAY! MECHA IS THE SUPERIOR GENR-AIIIEEEEEE!

I summon five copies of Kratos, which each have all of the power and strength of the original but obey my will.
I move Kratos's plot armor and give it to a random dog.
I enable causality reversal, all damage that Kratos attempts to do to anyone else is instead reflected back at him.
I immediately tab out of Kratos's narrative cosmology to get a drink and make a universe for fun.

solos TTGL

What now?

canon

Isn't it because daizenshou shit isn't written by Toriyama? Even then I thought most people accepted that Universe 7 is a big universe

NTA, but I understand the approach. It is attempting to try and treat characters with an even hand of tossing out high and lows to approach something that is consistent.
My issue with it is that Dragon Ball is closer to a work like TTGL than it is to Superman, so it has escalation baked in. There is rarely an instance where the cast must find a specific solution to a problem and instead getting stronger is the only solution (off the top of my head, it is basically only the Future Trunks Saga of Super that is resolved through a purely external mean).

Did we beat Simon, Peter?

Thor... that was Gibby

Fight da powa.

I summon five copies of Kratos

Not so fast!

Carol?

He got turned to stone and smashed and would have died if Enchantress didn't save him in the latest run.

If Nia was Carol

Cuz you know I'm the One, Number One, I'm second to None.

super galaxy gurren lagann: a machine stated as being equal to the gods

TTGL: A machine stated as being above the gods themselves

STTGL: gods are no longer even mentioned as a benchmark of power anymore

Thor: a god

Sorry, but RAW he's not going to do anything. Simon has already graduated out of that league.

Galactus is INFINITE D

Wanked GL is 20D

Thor killed amped Galactus

only got stronger since then

FUARKKKKKKKKKKK!!!

So, we're establishing that's all it takes to kill 5 Kratos's, now? A big hole in the ground?
I'm more than happy to accept that as a thing that Kratos jobs to if you are.

I tried to find some additional context, but instead I found some ancient internet live blog.
gurren-lagann.livejournal.com/511137.html?thread=5532321

AAAAAAAAAIIEEEEEEE!!

Perpetua vs Batkek: Pelts each other with planets.

AC WW vs Batkek: Pelts each other with planets.

Meanwhile TTGL vs AS.

Wanked GL is beyond D though.

Yes, but Wanked Kyle is realer than reality. Which still renders him far above Jobber Galactus and Wanked Thor.

SimonKEKS.....

Oh I was reading GL as Green Lantern and not Gurren Lagann. I usually abbreviate it to TTGL for specificity.

DCbros... I thought stsr level was as strong as it got!? What the FUCK?!

OUR FRIENDS' HOPES AND DREAMS ARE ETCHED INTO ITS BODY
TRANSFORMING THE INFINITE DARKNESS INTO LIGHT
UNMATCHED IN HEAVEN AND EARTH.. ONE MACHINE, EQUAL TO THE GODS!

SUPER GALAXY GURREN LAGANN

youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF THE HUMAN RACE

pic related could probably solo Thanos' entire fleet in a matter of minutes

Ah, my mistake.
Kylebro...

This is cute.

Thor? Kneels to his queen after getting cheated on

this gets posted

SimonKEKS resort to cuckshit

Funny. Tranime is tranime.

Kyle lost because Nia loves Simon. cope

daizenshou?
Those multiple universe busting statements come from the actual show and manga not a guidebook.
These characters powers are actually directly compared to one another too so why does the scaling ignoring all that ?
Jiren is said to be stronger than his God of destruction. Beerus Told vegeta and goku that they're both powerful enough to be gods of destruction in their own right.

Eugh. Lorelei's a fucking skank dude. Sif and Jane would hurt more

Isn't it because we don't know how strong an "average" god of destruction is. I don't think we've seen one at full power and their capabilities.
The closest one was Toppo but even he wasn't official yet
Also don't people in DB chain scale all the time? like how Krillin gets upscaled for tanking a blue kamehameha.

Didn't Thor actually drink with trannies?

That pic is how it would actually go

Yeah I guess my gripe with that is.That sometime the collateral damage doesn't increase in some arc. Like android saga vs Namek saga but the power escalation is still stated to be there the androids and Cell are all stronger than Frieza even if they don't make bigger booms. Good scaling should make sense within the narrative not be at odds with it.

reminder that according to guidebooks Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the one that retconned himself, why? I don't know probably the same reason why one day he made himself half Mutant half Inhuman, because he was bored

name a DC/Marvel character that can do this

Twink

You guys even know what that word means?
If Simon is a Twink then the average guy might as well be a sissy tranny

"My body's aching all over and I know I am about to die, but I can't help but feel excited by how strong you are Simon! I'd love to do this again sometime!"

Tranime Tranime tra-ACK

Simon is a twink.

Thorbros...

nihilistic demoralizing corporate slop without soul lost against optimistic show about the infinite potential of humanity

DC trannies need to slander TTGL with "Hired it's a power fantasy" to cope with their lost

Love to see it

All media has trans women and I respect them.

"You know, my brother Loki does this with magic all the time!"

Can Thor at max power beat Simon?

cope with their lost

IESLBimon.....

You mean King Thor? Yeah he would wreck Simon.

Yes.

so is the new meta plot hax and resisting them because even post-retcon Beyonder was capable of escaping from The House of Ideas, the place where the plot of Marvel comes from and he's still weaker then Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Thor bro BTW

He would Obliterate that gross sexist chud

Ben said Superman would beat Simon so a guy stronger than Superman should also beat Simon.

Absolutely not. The idea of full power Thor is so nebulous that Thor doesn't even try to understand it beyond being as strong or weak as he needs to be.

Capeshitters are so used to comic book characters being stagnant and never really changing or evolving. character growth is an alien concept to them. It's essentially why Kyle lost.

he's still weaker then Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Why would he be? Beyonder is currently higher in the hierarchy of Marvel than he's ever been. Sure he was the strongest guy in the 80s but Marvel has since created characters above where he used to be.

what is Invincible

what is Spider-man

I just read the G1 blog and holy shit they actually did say that Simon > all of DC. At the very least the DC we know, in terms of writers working on Morrison’s work, but they ignored Vertigo completely. I’m going to out myself as a VSBW user here (yes I know) but how does any of this work? Are they (the blog guys) going to bend-over-backwards to engineer Marvel into the same strength level for the next Marvel vs DC fight if they don’t want to predict a Marvel blowout every time a Death Battle happens? When their primary function is to predict Death Battle, and the disparity between Marvel and DC are so great in the minds of the blog people but ostensibly not the show, are they willing to just be wrong forever?

On an outside note I thought that the DC debunk didn’t have that much of a framework put up behind it even if I think Simon wins. No justification for splitting “cosmologies” or anything like that. According to them the Source is indivisible and non-dual and beyond everything (which is tier 0 under VSBW logic) but said it was 1-A in terms of scaling Simon to it, the Speedforce is itself 1-A under statements that would garner High 1-A under Vs Battles (which is where they have it), vibrations disqualifies DC’s cosmology but a CD disk being overwritten by sound isn’t when they’re both based on physics? That didn’t make much sense to me. Why go through all this effort to make an abomination of cosmological assumption and argumentation when you can just say that Kyle has never blown up a multiverse and Simon is an infinite multiverse amount of himself put together? That wouldn’t have taken that many words and hyperlinks to argue.

>how Krillin gets upscaled for tanking a blue kamehameha.

But he didn't tank it. Just held it back briefly and still lost and needed 18 to save him.
You really never see a weaker characters just win in DragonBall like you do in DC or Marvel unless you count friendly sparring matches when the stronger guy is clearly holding back. Or if the weaker guy has a technique to raise the power level or the stronger guy just gets jumped.

TTGL is just the reddit positive spin on nihilism since at its core TTGL is an anti-theistic story that champions humanity's arrogance over humility
You want actual good moralization? Find Jesus, go to church, stop getting all your life lessons from anime

Stagnant

Simon is a carbon copy of his childhood friend.

Reminder Avant Simon was a real fucking demon

fought and won against everyone in his world

went to the sound dimension just to fight

sealed Otoko Simon, got even stronger

became Granzeboma, kicked everyone's ass

doesn't even die, had to be resealed back in his world and had his story rewritten

'I-I n-never been on Anon Babble...'

So you lie.

Dude chill out they're going to feed Simon to Superman next season or one of Hal's powered-up forms.

"Superman would beat Simon"

Character said to be stronger than Superman fights Simon and gets stomped

?????

Kyle

Stronger than anyone

He lost a will contest to a child Hal's ring created.

clearly Superman > Superman

When did they say Kyle is stronger than Superman?

Spiderman

good development

Don't act like the only reason Spiderman doesn't have kids is because they still want him to be the "relatable" loser in the beginning
Maybe it was a punch that upscaled? It's been a while since I saw Super filler sorry but I generally do agree with what you say, You're not going to see Piccolo Job to a red ribbon army soldier.
Simon would still win against Comp DC with max wank btw

kyle's growth was realizing he needed to divvy up his power to make sure it was used properly. what you said makes no sense unless you define "character growth" as just getting stronger.

anime fan

oh right, you do

Anyone beats anyone with "max wank" because max wanks is going lawyer mode to turn every single adjective in a character's story into non-hyperbolic descriptions. You could have Mr. Bill beat Simon at max wank.

Mr. Bill would fraud check Simon. Prove me wrong tranime fags.

This reminds me of a funny interaction I saw:

powerscaler tries to write a story with consistent feats and statements in mind

other powerscalers find a way to wank a moment that was stronger than what the author scaler expected

author scaler begrudgingly says their scaling is valid, probably because he's done the same in the past with other works

Sometimes a moment is just a moment, I've tried to apply scaling logic to some oc characters I've thought of in the past and if someone asked me about some specific higher end feat I'd want to say "yeah, the character did that but shut the fuck up" and I'm pretty sure some authors would like to do the same

It's really fucking comedic how a young man with a drill bigger than the observable universe now threatens DC's reputation for being the most OP bullshit in death battle and shitstomping everyone else

I'm betting on Renegade Hal being the one they pick, though Spectre Hal could be the one just so they can finally talk about the Spectre.

6th dimensional pun-

Doesn't work for me, brother.

Cookboo-

Creative control, brother.

GIGA DRI-

No sells. Points. Punch. Punch. Punch. Irish whip. Big boot. Ropes. Leg drop. 1. 2. 3. Crowd pops. And still.

didn't DB outright say his biggest weakness was his self-doubt?

THE STRONGEST!!!

The actual most OP bullshit about DB is how the show still runs despite dogshit and how an entire general has been built around throwing around same jokes over and over.

You have to decouple two things there. Death Battle doesn’t explain most of what they think most of the time and G1 is basically random guys freeloading from discord and reddit pushing their opinions with some input from researchers based on little hints. G1 said that Simon BTFOs DC because of Vs Battles logic or something, Death Battle just said ‘uhh they can both do anything and get more powerful but Simon is faster than Kyle in doing more things and becoming more powerful’

Chris Redfield vs Solid Snake
who wins?

I'm surprised we haven't had more Resident Evil, actually. RE, Harry Potter, Persona are things you'd think they'd have more than 1-2 fights of. Im surprised things like Fortnite and COD haven't even gotten one.

TTGL is just the reddit positive spin on nihilism since at its core TTGL is an anti-theistic story that champions humanity's arrogance over humility

You want actual good moralization? Find Jesus, go to church, stop getting all your life lessons from anime

Sort of, yeah. Him losing the will category and being unable to fully control the LE was what sunk him.

Creative contro-

jobs to the Jobberforce

Trvke.

TTGL is also a fascistic story since it says infinite growth ought to be pursued through pure will-to-power such that individual human beings with the most will then have the right to dictate reality however they wish. It’s evil.

Speed

Mattering to 2 characters that are supposed to be beyond time

Do they...not know what it means to be beyond time?

Didn’t he got penetrated by Wonderwoman?

Prove me wrong. TTGL is inherently nihilistic since it presumes humanity has to find their purpose to evolve instead of deriving meaning from faith and God. The whole premise of TTGL relies on the idea that the universe is cold, indifferent, and uncaring so humanity has to prove its potential.

There is a lot they don't know anon.

TTGL is also a fascistic story since it says infinite growth ought to be pursued through pure will-to-power such that individual human beings with the most will then have the right to dictate reality however they wish. It’s evil.

Yes. It doesn’t make sense. Simon can grow ‘faster’ since he went from 3D to 11D in a singular fight, but that fight wasn’t actually the 30 minutes it took on screen, it was outside of time itself. Death Battle doesn’t care though.

They made Omni Man star level because he destroyed a disk on an off panel. Their ability to apply science is comparable to that of a high schooler's.

KEKAROOOO
It's funny how Simon threatens both DC's reputation for being a strong verse but also being a Symbol of HOPE

Given how they took the LE as being beyond all physical dimensions do they think lantern powers are beneath the speed force and sphere of the gods powers?

Muh god

Post god creating a universe

Asura evolved quicker

Prove me wrong. TTGL is inherently nihilistic since it presumes humanity has to find their purpose to evolve instead of deriving meaning from faith and God. The whole premise of TTGL relies on the idea that the universe is cold, indifferent, and uncaring so humanity has to prove its potential.

There's this Hal as well who is straight up God

They were going slow enough in the final fight for people standing on Earth to see them and react.

Reminder that Christian God barely has any feats, and Superman will never be multiversal

TTGL is actually leftist, chud

oh shit it's Batkek Negro

I think the do have magic and speed force as above emotional spectrum energy just because that's where they are on the multiverse map.

I can't!

TTGL is atheist and nihilist, it's irrefutable because you need nonexistent divinity to make the whole HUMANITY FUCK YEAH thing work.

Death Battle basically makes all cape characters the same person with different Fortnite skins, hence why they all scale to each other ad infinitum whenever they need to. It’s “power scaling soup”, the G1 blog scaled Kyle to the speed force in the newest Flash run with its statements of being beyond math and science and reality or whatever but obviously White Lantern Kyle who jobs to Dr. Manhattan isn’t fucking outrunning all reality and becoming one with a non-dual omnigod at the end of reality like Wally did.

Fully mastered mother box inside his ring

God of Light Hal is going to get that juicy Source energy scaling Kyle couldn't get.

wins in youre path

Arrogance over humility

Simon pushed for chilling out on their hax power so they didnt play god

Who? You posted a blank picture.

Lex was gong to beat Doom until they remembered he sucked at using his mother box

Hal is going to ping ping Simon.

the funny thing is Superman would probably despise Simon because his sheer existence proves Lex was right about humanity evolving.

Kek

no he fucking wouldn't

Yet TTGL admits that Spiral Nemesis is a real thing and hence is definitively fatalist while Hegel believed in true eternal life through the Absolute?

TTGL is nihilist fascistic fatalism.

Lex was going to beat Doom

lmao

I don't care what G1 thinks since they're just blogger groupies I want to know what Death Battle thinks.

...Russian Onahole

Better question. Would Lex like Simon

was filtered by the legion of superheroes

Superman is a liberal and Simon is a leftist. That’s why they would hate each other.

Going off things they've said in the past I think it's Lanterns < Flash < Superman.

you're right it mostly depends on the version we're talking

Lex would jizz his pants at the concept of Spiral Power

Lex would try to convince Simon and Superman is evil and killing him would help humanity grow even further

The christian god is composite of all deities of antiquity

Man of Tomorrow hating the humanity of tomorrow

The future Simon creates is basically LOSH. Superman would like him.

Lex would hate him because his ego drives him to hate anyone greater than himself. He would justify his hatred by saying that Simon is nothing more thana caveman morlock who stumbled on a power he didn't create and doesn't understand. Honestly, he would think of Simon in much the same way the AS did.

This. What a character can do *in most fights* is more representative of the character than what a single writer said they could do in a miracle moment, never repeated, in a run that was 30 years and 2 cosmological reboots ago.
The Flash's attosecond feat should be ignore just as much as 3 Flash's all getting OHKO by Catwoman should be. If you want the highs to be canon, the lows need to be as well. You don't get to cherrypick.

Spawn is canonically white

I... I can't...

gestures to the world around you

Wow that sure was hard.

Anon, its absurd that you would expect a christian theist message from a country that isn't christian. It isn't nihilistic, its just from a culture where being humble before god isn't a cultural value with any weight to them.

Does Spawn ever fix this or is he just stuck being an aryan god?

in brightest day, in blackest night
no evil shall escape my sight
let those who worship evil's might!
BEWARE MY POWER!
GREEN LANTERN'S LIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!!

WHY'D YA MAKE ME INTO SOME MAYONNAISE NEANDERTHAL WITH PISS-COLORED HAIR?

it was a different time

CANON

Are they (the blog guys) going to bend-over-backwards to engineer Marvel into the same strength level for the next Marvel vs DC fight if they don’t want to predict a Marvel blowout every time a Death Battle happens?

When Raven vs Phoenix happened and Raven (a mid-level sorceress) snuffed out the White Phoenix who is “the Mystery” (the white page TOAA draws on in Marvel), and people pointed out that this means that a mid-level DC demon-lady killed all of Marvel besides TOAA, Speedy deflected by saying “every episode is made in a vacuum by different people and conclusions aren’t necessarily inferenced from episode to episode”.

AKA, a total cop out. Death Battle could say that DC is literally paper level and Marvel is infinite dimensional two episodes apart from each other when they’re fighting different settings, but when they are faced against each other the next season they’re equal because of reasons. It’s an entirely ad hoc research process. Simon soloing DC according to G1 doesn’t mean shit because of this metric.

this entire thread gets raped

It isn't nihilistic, its just from a culture where being humble before god isn't a cultural value with any weight to them.

Lol you have no idea. They used to be all GLORY TO THE EMPEROR, DIVINITY ITSELF until they lost WW2 and their god emperor got mogged for the entire nation to see. Every japanese story you see after WW2 has nihilistic undercurrent and the country is dying for a reason. They need faith and God but garbage like TTGL will push false indomitable human spirit garbage.

Lol you have no idea. They used to be all GLORY TO THE EMPEROR, DIVINITY ITSELF until they lost WW2 and their god emperor got mogged for the entire nation to see. Every japanese story you see after WW2 has nihilistic undercurrent and the country is dying for a reason. They need faith and God but garbage like TTGL will push false indomitable human spirit garbage.

If fictional vs IRL matches worked like Record of Ragnarok where the IRL guys are given equalized stats against their fictional opponents via a "Realforce" , which matchups would be fun?

Simon using the ‘indomitable human spirit’ couldn’t overcome his mangaka’s country jobbing to American GIs and their 5’3 god emperor bowing to MacArthur.

And yet Superman met JFK. Who can say he isn’t superior?

LET'S SEE YOU GRIT THOSE TEETH!

Would Hitler like spawn?

Round 2

.... Grim.

And that divinity they worshipped was never the christian god, anon. So why are you pretending that matters to them?

The closest thing Asura has to Simon's growth rate is this (most likely) flowery statement about Creator Chakravartin being on another dimension compared to any opponent Asura's faced

Racing is dumb for this because speed is straight forward. Wither your faster or your not. If they are completely equal then they just tie. Something more skilled based like fighting works because power is just one part of fighting. If they have equal strength it comes down to skill and how many punches they can take to the face and kidneys. Stuff like Superman vs Muhammad Ali is a fantastic example of this idea at work.

They needed the neetbucks from the Kratosjeets.

Bring me Simon

I wouldn't call it flowery, more like "vague". He really was something Asura had never faced before, not a puny demigod but a creator deity.

Evander Holyfield vs Beta Ray Bill... And...
Jon Jones vs Lobo... And... CWC vs Superboy Prime...

Hurr TTGL is nihlistic because religion

hurr Superman would hate Simon

The absolute fucking brainlet midwits in this thread

Round 3

AKA, a total cop out. Death Battle could say that DC is literally paper level and Marvel is infinite dimensional two episodes apart from each other when they’re fighting different settings, but when they are faced against each other the next season they’re equal because of reasons. It’s an entirely ad hoc research process. Simon soloing DC according to G1 doesn’t mean shit because of this metric

Genuinely don't know why people still care for DB after this match. This is the biggest proof of their research being both retarded, hyperbolic and biased.

I said the latter just to be a dick but yeah nah that seems ooc

STARS ARE FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORMING
BIG BANG STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORMING

Superman couldn't save those american comic sales unfortunately.

This just made me think about how Asura vs Chakravartin’s fight very likely didn’t take the few minutes the game portrayed it as. These guys are WAY above the speed of light at the end of the game so them fighting at regular human speed (Chakravartin even stops time during the fight too), makes no sense. This makes Asura’s growth from being subplanetary in base to multiversal (according to DB) way more impressive. That also makes Krasura look even worse thinking about it.

He did when rebirth first dropped. Bendis saw this though and stomped on Superman.

Shut the fuck up Sex, go watch the commander fuck enterprise while you sit in the cuck chair

Gurren Lagann is definitely not very Christian. I don't think it's very much of any of the major world religions

nobody can beat Bandis

Is Morrison's GL run any good?

It’s schizo shit.

Yeah this is just a neat pic I found. I specifically want a DB format where the characters just fight.

Who did this to him!?

TTGL is very Christian
t. actual Christfag

Keep crying bitch

nihilistic undercurrent and the country is dying for a reason.

Every developed country is dying. Importing blacks won't save your birth rates. Also TTGL is awesome so keep coping.

It's alright, like All-Star Superman. Just avoid any kind of metashit he makes, it's genuinely awful.

humanism

Christian

Protestant fingers typed this post.

The DC cope is real

No, he’s saying that DB’s reliability went out the window when *DC beat Marvel* in Raven vs Phoenix. You’re just an ESL.

It's awesome but the last half of Season Two feels rushed.

boo.
did I scare you?

I did. I was gonna say hello to him and respectfully comment that I think Makima should have won, but he just spit his chewed bubblegum into my mouth when I opened it...

thannnnnnnks

You dumb faggots, I am not defending DC or Marvel. I am simply disappointed that people still care about DB after everybody saw that all the research is done in vacuum, meaning there's no actual consistency and anyone can win anything depending on a researcher's fancy.

Fight da powa.

I am simply disappointed that people still care about DB after everybody saw that all the research is done in vacuum, meaning there's no actual consistency and anyone can win anything depending on a researcher's fancy.

This was obvious waaay before Raven vs Pheonix.

My protestant hero Gustavus Adolphus 1v1d all Catholics and made a jobber out of all of Germany, although he died by doing so

My knees....

When will we get a smt ep? I need ttgl to be embarrassed in terms of scaling.

It is worth noting that the Life Equation contains the Speedforce Equation.

What does this mean

They're not doing Simon again lol, they'd do the Anti-Spiral or maybe Pre-Timeskip Gurren Lagann
honestly the Megas XLR matchup seems kind of fun but I don't think pre-Timeskip Gurren could match up to the cartoon bullshit without the post timeskip escalation

Yeah that is basically correct by Death Battle standards. CAS is Superman and Ultraman's essences combined to be the storybook ideal of Superman, but Superman is stronger than this.
Superman Prime 1 Million is Superman extended to his maximum degree of power increases so that he would effectively be a god amongst gods, but Superman is stronger than this.

Beating Simon is easy.
All you need is a character so weak and pathetic that just looking at him makes Simon lose his will to fight.
Since he will always surpass any impossible obstacles on his way you need to put him on top so there's nothing for him to surpass.
The sheer lameness of this character would make Simon subconsciously nerf himself because even breathing too harshly around this character could kill him, and killing someone so weak and lame would make Simon feel bad

The only Simon that Superman might dislike is fresh post-Timeskip Simon because he's basically a servant to the government and goes around imprisoning beastmen. That's the closest I can think of. Pre-Timeskip is a freedom fighter and ending Simon is a hobo going around helping towns drill water holes and shit

Wasn't The Joker already in 2 episodes?

What does Will Smith have to do with any of this?

Simon doesn't resist almighty attacks btw

That sounds more depressing than funny. Ideally authors nor readers would be slaves to the other.

Persona =/ smt

It wasn't always this way, 2014 was the worst year for pop culture ever...

Homelander's best Opponent finally made his anime debut.

I actually thought the animation for Kratos vs. Asura was good. I know a lot of people had problems with it, but I thought it was great.

Even if you disagree about Asura losing, given the power gap between the two it makes sense for Kratos to take little damage. It also put Kratos in some kind of a mentor or elder role to Asura, and let Kratos show how far he had come by defeating someone who had been down the same path as him. He wasn't just fighting Asura, he wasTEACHINGAsura. And I think that's very heartwarming in a way. That Kratos would take the lessons he learned and help someone who was just like him.

If this weren't a Death Battle I'm sure they would have ended cordially and taught each other well. The alternate ending is weird, even if heartwarming in its own way. It was nice to see Kratos reunite with his daughter, but it feels weird to have him just stand there and take that punch.

I haven't played Asura's game though (but after watching this fight I think I might watch a playthrough!) so I might be missing stuff but as a big GoW fan I thought they did Kratos justice and from what I saw they treated Asura with the utmost respect. What character has ever gotten an alternate ending made just for them?

Best DC is getting at a pity runback is Anti Monitor VS Anti Spiral and restricting AS by saying he stopped his evolution on purpose. Though Simon>Anti Spiral and Anti Monitor so yeah

Comics are proportionally longer-form than other mediums and so have a high feats/anti-feats ratio to compare

This is lazy writing by a Rian Johnson tier faggot who hypocritically power-wanked his OC

Isn't he strong enough to just bearhug Homelander to death? His defenses are basically made as strong as his strength so it's not like he could be hit by the heat vision either.

Not even that. They made Omni-Man star level because someone else destroyed a disk and then someone else said that they had a list of items and persons to collect to beat Viltrumites while Nolan and Allen were in the room and assumed that this meant that the laser that destroyed the disk must be weaker than Nolan's durability.

Got you.

Life Equation is above the speed force though.

Its the same shit.

I feel like he's missing the point of D&G, the point was David used his brain to beat Goliath's brawn. Physically yes he is weaker but he used a weapon Goliath probably never saw.

Could count Episode 1 Prologue Simon IE Garlock. He's a dick.

Assuming they don't perform a wild new scale or something. Anti-Spiral might be plenty bullshit on his own but his hype is basically the meme about spamming him in matchup video comments and nothing else.
I guess you might pretend he got "real" and used his spiral power through determination to win over STTGL when they did the giga drill clash, but then you'd have to argue how spiral power works with the Anti-Spiral.
I think it might be something like

Used to be spirals

lock themselves away in immortality so they cannot reproduce, basically halting their evolution, collect into a hivemind

hivemind has the total spiral energy of all the spacemen that it comprises, since the entire race is very determined to stop the anti-spiral they can maintain this level of power but can't actually increase it properly

could probably unlock its growth if it absolutely needed but it'd need to get OOC and throw away its restrictions which might only make sense if it fights something that'll already destroy everything... like the anti-monitor I guess?

Almighty attacks would basically be like probability hax which Simon already tanked

Which wouldn't work, because Simon has eyes and can understand that Superman is explicitly against keeping the world in a bottle.

The Life Equation jobbed to this

Insofar as probability hax goes, the Ashtanga being able to use it, then SGGL using it back on them, then the Anti-Spiral declaring they have 0% chance of victory only for them to overpower him with probability missiles again imply that they might be able to overpower probability resistance via increasing spiral power anyway.

A hypothetical Anti Spiral VS Anti Monitor would be funny as AS would be the good guy in that scenario and would have to spiral power up to save everything. Anti Spiral was always trying to protect the universe while Anti Monitor would be trying to destroy it

G1 blog says “yeah Simon solos the entire DC verse and matches its God-tier, the source, and can evolve infinitely past this lmao”

people start complaining on reddit about how the entire point of this matchup was that it was close (which was memed into them after people tried “debunking” the match being a spite against DC)

G1 blog members on Reddit then say that even though every one of their members voted for Simon, this was a close matchup or whatever the fuck because reasons

I’ve never seen a bigger disparity in memes and content in a matchup ever. Are they really so scared of DC being their sacred cow that they can’t even bring themselves to say that it’s a stomp to most normies?

The Anti-Spiral starts fighting something that isn't a spiral and has to start fighting for spirals again

Would actually work out, but I don't think DB would allow him to have character development like that in a fight.

I'd honestly rather AS fight Getter Emperor since they already wasted TTGL on capeshit. It would be fun to since GE is literally the Spiral Nemesis made manifest.

Would they have an answer to the multiversal labyrinth?

FeatCHADS at the top

You love to see it

Doctor Manhattan or death

I’m confused about Simon’s infinite power growth thing. Didn’t he need multiple members of his team to sacrifice himself before he could reach the power levels he had in the final climax? What evidence is there that he can infinitely grow past STTGL when that was the final transformation he had, and the CD shit operates on entirely different mechanics that are never mentioned in canon?

There's really no reason to bring Simon back. They've covered just about everything relevant to the fight (and then some) and wanked him as hard as they could. DC fans just need to get one of their guys to beat an even stronger Anon Babble character basically go the Benfag route.

When STTGL broke and Simon proceeded to no sell Super Granzeboma's GGB woth just Gurren Lagann

Accidentally kills himself with it because he's an incompetent fuckwit

Do Superboy Prime vs Getter Robo.

He needs to absorb the multiversal labyrinth as well. Hypothetically anyone who could target the labyrinth and wipe it out in its entirely could no diff Simon before he gets too powerful.

Any outcome aside from this is wrong

Here you go, it is covered up partially by the text box, but the speed force equation is 3X2(9YZ)4A. It also repeats into the background a bit, so I underlined it. Hope that helps.

Quick, who's a HERO who can save this poor anon from PSYCHOPATHku?

The idea is that Simon might cow before several trials but his teammates come in clutch and give him the spirit to push on. By the time they pull out Super Tengen Toppa he doesn't need sacrifices, he faced the Anti-Spiral head on.

and the CD shit operates on entirely different mechanics that are never mentioned in canon?

in canon?

Everything is canon as per the producers.

To be fair, I think they thought they were treating it as a close match. The verdict was

well Simon and Kyle can tank literally every single thing either one can throw at each other

but they both have one weapon that's basically an autowin

Which sounds maybe okay, but then they said

yeah Simon would always use his first and Kyle's one way of winning is something he's never done, would probably never do, and is even kind of debatable whether it works or not

So the research made it look "close" but the actual verdict was anything but

Eh...Superbros?

Simon actually was not aware of this notion, it was done by Rossiu behind Simon's back as a means to keep a head count of the human (not beastmen) population so that he would have enough time to prepare for the 1 Million Apes prophecy that Lordgenome dropped. Unfortunately for him it happened before he could do jack or shit about it.

Unless you're specifically using pre-Labyrinth Simon most people assume he'll start out at the strength he was at the end of the series, which he seemingly held within just his body because he 1v1d the Anti-Spiral.

Its funny how Kyle doesnt bust out the orange in the animation since he barely uses it in canon

Anon, he was downplayed and nerfed out of pity, and he still won. this wasn't just a stomp, it was public humiliation

Getter Rays transcend time and space so even if the humans aboard possibly aren't breaking out themselves, Rays and by extension, GE itself being a sentient force of nature could prob break out and maybe absorb it like Simon. GE's whole thing is that it converts everything it can into Getter Rays and grows bigger and bigger and Rays and Spiral Power are very similar so GE could hypothetically just eat up most of what AS can dish out.

I just need Goku to not kill me, I will offer him food.

Why is it that comicfags pretend that their characters are boundless beasts when they always treat planetary destruction as a big feat?

SHITlk SHITgan

I assume after the battle he wouldn't be walking around with universe destroying levels of power

There's no indication that he became weaker after the timeskip so why would he suddenly be weaker at the end of series timeskip when his state of mind is better than ever?

Hulk still beat him btw.

Wasn't the Luigi vacuum Orange? Then he transitioned to Yellow with Shenron.

I read the reddit comments of multiple members of the blog talking about how they took hours of discord vc time to debate the matchup and came to the conclusion that since Simon and Kyle could only kill each other one way (probability manipulation and soul hax respectively), and Simon was more likely to use his wincon then Kyle, then Simon wins.

…despite the fact that this is totally overshadowed by the nuclear bomb of, “DC, the setting we’ve been wanking for years and years, actually caps at Outerversal, the Source? That’s matched by a CD high-school AU loony tunes gag feat. And Simon can evolve infinitely past this btw.”

I just want to know what caused that 180. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

the manifested fear construct is a wishchad

Simon? Below Timmy Turner.

Because he probably doesn't want to accidentally nuke his reality if he stubs his toe?

He hates using it in canon. When he first got every Lantern Ring he didn't get orange, when he had to master orange he kicked and screamed as much as he could to not have to and when he got it he was instantly corrupted by the orange light.
The only time he ever uses it is maybe here and you can see it's weak as shit compared to his control over red light.
Even in the context of a fight to the death I don't think he'd ever use it or think to use it especially if he had to try and eat and enslave someone's soul. That's almost "yeah Simon would put a guy in the multiverse labyrinth" tier.

DC and Marvel have both turned Earth into a sort of cosmic lynchpin (though how much this remains accurate literally depends on the writer), so Earth's destruction would kill everyone (even though by the standards of VSBW they would be above universal destruction).

Simon very clearly has the control necessary for this. This is like saying Goku's weak because him accidentally stubbing his toe too hard doesn't blow up the planet, or similar for Superman.
In the ending he's straight up implied to be able to perform godly feats like resurrecting the dead at the information level, literally far beyond Nia's feat of just resisting being erased on that level, but he just decides not to. The person who created Nia's existence was the Anti-Spiral, so either Simon can do shit the Anti-Spiral could do or what the Anti-Spiral does is actually fodder to spiral beings, which then makes you wonder why we was so hard to put down. Canonically, he spent eons putting down the spiral races.

But isn't every transformation building up on top of each other? Simon doesn't really get weaker after each successful achievement. At the beginning of the last episode he doesn't need to channel his spiral power to slowly go through each of his previous transformations. He instantly goes through all of them until he reaches TTGL.

The only worthwhile TTGL characters to bring on the show

the Anti-Spiral

Lordgenome

Viral

Or just pre-timeskip Team Gurren (Yoko, Kamina, kid Simon), or Dai-Gurren.

Because Anti-Spiral never met a spiral being that fused with every version of himself, therefore attaining an infinite amount of energy he can use to rape Anti-Spiral.

Superman is literally always holding back and Goku has to power up/concentrate to actually access his god levels of strength and power otherwise he gets gaped by a laser. Not great examples. Simon would obviously be depowered until he needs it again.

They explain all their reasoning in the blog itself. You might not like R>F transcendence and vibrations downgrading the height of DC cosmology but that's how they chose to go with it. DC itself as defined the Source as the white of the comic page, so yeah they kind of screwed themselves against a character that can literally take themselves out of the fictional medium they're in with sheer power.

As for why they're not wanking DC to....beyond outerversal? They probably think it's finally time to put their foot down and stop self contradictory comic autism. Seems like the healthier option going forward honestly. And it seems like DB is finally doing the same.

Will Harry Potter be getting some Outerversal feats in the new series?

Too gimmicky, plus you might as well just say you want Kamina with Simon co-piloting

I'VE GOT THE BEST WIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

I'll only like this series if Hogwarts feels like the old ps2 games

Superman's example is pretty much what I'm implying. Simon has no narrative reason to be weaker either, he's finished his character's journey, and each time he developed he got stronger.

Goku has to power up

Maybe a bad example? But let's pick Namek Frieza then, before he could control his powerlevel properly. Even with easily planet busting levels of energy he's not destroying everything unintentionally.

give me all your plot based benefits The One Above All this is base Batman we're dealing with

anon you're single

Liam said he wants to do Simon vs Superman.

Batman is the original DC hero

never won a DB

kwab

Mario hits your favorite verse with one of these. Do they job?

When and where?

On discord.

They probably think it's finally time to put their foot down and stop self contradictory comic autism

…By saying that Kyle Rayner, the notorious jobber, is on the level of the thing beyond the entire multiverse, when even when he had the life equation there were alternate timeline versions of himself that showcased that he would eventually be corrupted with its use?

I understand what they’re going for and agree with it in principle. But the autism of “we’re putting our foot down” about how vibrations means you can’t be Outerversal (even though sound effecting a literal data-storing device in a CD isn’t similarly disqualifying) being the thing you’re willing to give up, but not the bigger problem of treating every cape character as the same person with different Fortnite skins (everyone scales to everyone, Kyle Rayner is Superman is Flash is Anti-Monitor is Dr. Manhattan is Source) is disingenuous.

I don't use discord. Prove it.

OH NO SIMONBROS...

feeling a bit rusty after running those hands with goku 3 times, old man?

Superman couldnt even manage to sweep Goku lmao

never wo-ACK!

oh no whatever will we do

They finally bust out Thought Robot.

Dusty old bones, full of GREEN DUST!

The Fortnite thing is so they can at will sink or float a character. Let's say they wanted Hal Jordan to beat Simon in a rematch. I'm not talking about any transformation I'm talking about the normal version. They just show one of the many panels of Hal styling over Kyle and now he upscales. Or they show Hal beating up the Time Trapper and Time Trapper beating up Superman who made Dr. Manhattan piss his pants who made Kyle lose his powers...and you probably see where this is going. They could also have Superman fighting Simon and have Superman lose by showing a panel fo Superman losing to Doomsday who lost to Imperiex who scales under the Anti-Monitor. The way they have it set up is by design because they can select any sort of scaling chain to get any sort of result.

They did that when he fought Kyle. Not even TTGL tier

Hank Hill out of nowhere

Superman vs Sentry

Superman vs Simon

Can we stop with the Superman matchups? DC doesn't even sell well.

Yakuza 0 Kiryu level.

Give Sakura her best MU

He became one with the Source in that timeline. Death Battle also gave him the composite version that would be equal to the current day ALE.

But he did. Three times.

why?

They didn't count the merger at the end of the story as a Kyle they could use.

Because i say so

Bitch

Referring to GVS3 where he didnt take every category

You got a point here. I noticed when they said Kyle was greater or equal to the Anti-Monitor they didn't specify at what point in Monty's career and that too was probably on purpose.

Superman's example is pretty much what I'm implying

Never thought I'd bring up this feat in this context but I'm just imagining Simon sneezing away the entire universe since it's one of the few involuntary reactions you can't hold back.

But let's pick Namek Frieza then, before he could control his powerlevel properly. Even with easily planet busting levels of energy he's not destroying everything unintentionally

There's the Cell Saga then where he could not guarantee his Kamehameha wouldn't destroy the Earth so he had to fire it at another angle.

But they did note that even that Kyle was resisted by normal alien woman Saysoran.

...Until Mario's bro enters!

Oh no not fighting skills.

Kamina is for Gyro (Gyro wins)

Luigi vs Composite Ken Masters

youtube.com/watch?v=7RGTjU7KxXY&pp=ygUbbmVyZiB0aGlzIGZhcnQgYmFzcyBib29zdGVk

Do you think we'll ever get Waluigi fighting someone?

I'd rather the Yoga Instructor killer get a fight instead

Never thought I'd bring up this feat in this context but I'm just imagining Simon sneezing away the entire universe since it's one of the few involuntary reactions you can't hold back.

Silver Age superman

Are we implying that Superman never sneezes on earth? But nevermind that, none of this actually changes that the previous 7 year timeskip did nothing to impact his level of spiral power when he well willed it. At best you can argue he might need to stop being rusty, anything else is fanfiction based on this precedent.

I just checked and he never said anything like that. Most I saw is Speedy saying he personally felt like they should do Superman vs Sentry, and that Superman vs Thor is also a good option but he'd personally like to do Thor vs Wonder Woman 2.

This guy was probably fixing the toilets of the club right before this and didnt change gloves

Come on dude.

became one with the Source in that timeline

Which implies that there are different versions of the Source in different timelines, despite the Source being the thing above all timelines altogether as the thing all timelines are drawn on.

...don't you see the problem? Using this as an instance of Kyle 'matching' the Source who is Outerversal, which is at the level of Simon's peak due to his CD feat, is what I'm talking about in disingenuity here. Kyle is as strong as the entirety of DC due to not wanting to make it seem like it's too much of a stomp (as says), but this is only floated to additionally give so much leniency to Kyle that Simon definitively is beyond everything DC can muster even when you wank him to its highest levels. It's Kyle wank AND Simon wank, in claiming that one is nigh-omnipotent because of DC bullshit and the other is omnipotent due to retarded interpretations of nebulous definitions of "Outerversal" and gag feats.

And to top it all off, G1 will go right back into saying that Marvel and DC are equals, even though one 'caps out' at Outerversal once you outsource it to VSBW (which is what they did in the Kyle vs Simon blog), and the other doesn't under the same method.

MarvelGODS? Time for our next two wins over DC.

Ttgl is shit

Go back to 2024

The post-series Q&A confirms he was still the strongest spiral warrior and keeps his own abilities in check
web.archive.org/web/20071031080926/https://www.japanator.com/the-secrets-of-gurren-lagann-answered--6714.phtml

Wouldn't it be funny if all this scaling ends up with Marvel winning all upcoming DC matchups?

As strong as all of DC

They didn't scale him to anything beyond the orrery except the life equation which they said he sucked at using.

so yeah they kind of screwed themselves against a character that can literally take themselves out of the fictional medium they're in with sheer power.

This is funny to me since in the blog their image for "R>F Transcendence" says that Animal Man is a legitimate instance of it, even though in Animal Man there isn't merely one R>F transcendence, but multiple (even an infinite hierarchy of 'cells within cells making up the body of God') once you get past Morrison. And the blog said they were fine in giving Kyle Vertigo scaling to Lucifer and such.

DC's Trinity? QUAKES in FEAR at this image.

If you find anyone in vs battle talking about R>F seriously you're talking to someone that isn't worth your time.

Oh I don't buy the wank. DC has tons of examples of Alt Universe versions of Mxy and Darkseid that have zero implication of merely being aspects getting totally fodderized. I personally cap Simon at multiversal because that's as high as the scale goes before you lose all meaningful discussion.
Simon will lose to any actual omnipotents, but such a notion is incompatible with fiction as an actual omnipotent being cannot truly be a character in any real way.

Still not watching ttgl or this episode of deathbattle. I can't stand that anime

I want to say they scaled him to Monty but then I remembered COIE didn't effect any of the gods. That was why the Olympians were able to save the Earth Two Wonder Woman.

Blindanon...

I check out as soon as someone invokes mathematic dimensional scaling.

My verse began shaking just from looking at this picture....

No one cares, bro.

Your anime is trash

I agree with you. I even think that Simon beats Kyle even with the Life Equation because Simon is literally an entire multiverse at the final climax and Kyle with the Life Equation canonically is split across different universes in a singular multiverse and can lose when confronted with those universal copies, unlike Simon who just absorbed all of them when this was tried against him. It's the perfect counter.

But that's a better explanation than outsourcing DC to Vs Battles Wiki, then creating their own "scaling soup" of Kyle is every DC character just with a different skin, and wanking a CD audio drama feat. But maybe that's just me.

Is scaling Kyle to the Anti-Monitor accurate?

Be very, very observant to how they didn't bring up ANY Sphere-Of-The-God level characters or 5D imps even though there's a scaling path you can take where you cite the Guardians imprisoning chaos magic in the starheart and then scaling the starheart to other magic shit. The closest they got was Kyle lifting an unconscious Spectre to get a strength feat.

Someone in a previous thread said a couple of DB people mentioned they think Dr. Fate and Spectre are beyond Simon and they may very well be right. They partitioned off Kyle's scaling and feat pool from that side of DC.

Whatever you say.

Let's take this to the next level.

Kyle > Guardians > 99% of magic in DC (which they imprisoned in the Starheart) > 1% remaining > Raven.

And then Raven > White Phoenix > Every Marvel character except TOAA.

So Simon is above DC and Marvel...

...and the Sentry is there as well.

Here's your cast bro
I wonder if they'll bring up how Spies has a lot of fetish shit in it, would be funny.

bulge

Simon can turn dimensions/universes into spiral power in just a few seconds

how was this even remotely fucking fair for Kyle

depends on which Anti-Monitor

AWOOOOOOOGA

Why is there an anti-monitor but not a pro-monitor?

Yummy, bejitabro btw

Isn't he just called the Monitor?

Thinking Kyle's version is anywhere as strong as the real deal

You're right, it's way stronger

Monthly reminder

The TRUE tallest of mountains

The TRUE roughest of waves

The TRUE toughest of terrors

The TRUE darkest of days

Who gives a fuck about some ugly bitch

It is 3v1 or just Sam?

then who are the Monitors?

Does Kim have any hypno devices? If she does its a more obvious stomp

FACT
Blackbeard can beat Simon

Yes

Only offscreen. Better matchup is Blackbeard VS Squirrel Girl

Post Asura not jobbing to a fraud.

Simon smashes through a higher dimensional structure and makes an enormous hole that's so incomprehensibly huge and thick that both TTGL and Kyle's Superman, which on their own are comparable to the size of universes, look like tiny specks compared to it

This is by far the most powerful strength feat ever performed in a DB, right?

DC isn’t Outerversal because vibrations are disqualifying under VSBW standards according to G1

VSBW standards say that any computation (or computational substrate) is inherently disqualifying for Outerversal

The CD feat all happens on a disc that is literally a data-storage device (made up of information stored on its surface) and hence is automatically disqualified for Outerversal

Simon bros… did VSBW disqualify us?

Whats stopping sam from just getting huge and using her wrestling skills to overpower kim?

Not in the least because it goes

Kyle managed to avoid not dying in slap fight against a post Zero Hour Hal

That Hal ate the killer white shit from COIE

That means Parallax was battery plus Monty magic

Therefore Kyle could do COIE.

It's pretty retarded. But I'll tell you this, Renegade Hal wins the rematch by scaling to 10 X Parallax Sinestro. He becomes Kyle X 10 but he actually has feats where he kills people at the information level (He killed the Time Trapper and he stayed dead until the universe reset). That's how an almost-normal Hal beats Simon without merging him with God's Casper or a Mother Box.

Yeah nah, Kyle was never so powerful the overvoid itself sealed his strength with divine metal

Post Goku destroying a universe without Beerus’s help.

According to NASA, the sun outputs 380000000000000000000000000 watts, or that many joules per second. The Pistol Star outputs 10 million times this energy, or 3800000000000000000000000000000000 joules.
Multiply that by 10 billion and we get 38000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 or 3.8e43 joules. According to VSBW (kek vsbw), this feat is making Superman's all time strongest form "High 4-C, Large Star" level at between 3.182x1042 to 2.923x1045 even at a highball kek

nah, [IRRELEVANT SCHIZOBABBLE]

Yep, I'm thinking Kyle's stronger.

Jobs to Wonder Woman who Kyle is stronger than

FUUUUUUAAAAAAARRK!!!!!!!

But on your trip Otto, we love you and don’t want you to be an anon any longer.

I want to say Kim wins but the spies have a shit load of fetish devices I dont think Kim is going to deal with

Put

k,b,c.

Yeah, seems perfectly consistent with his other feats
When's the downgrade?

fetish devices

Ep one of totally spies has a super weapon that could evaporate the entire earth's ocean in a matter of minutes. Kim is dead.

he does the impossible. he breaks the unbreakable
he sees the invisible. and he touches the untouchable. that's all you need to know.

Sinestro is getting Terumi'd and yet another lantern gets to go to the loser zone

And his spammers are getting annoying

Didn't they scale him above Hal in this episode?

Was it a villain thing or the spies arsenal?

Superbros...

People were hyping up the whole notion of higher dimensions. In their defense, Death Battle did invoke dimensions, but it ended up not mattering.

Halfags spammed the place for literal years after Ben so we'll see how this goes. I expect it to linger a good while at least given how hard Simon flexed

After the next reset where he struggles to lift a mountain

X10 of infinite is just infinite.

Simonbros aren't even going a tenth as hard as Halfags were and this board isn't shitting on DC even NEARLY as hard as it could (or rather, should) be

Scooby spinning so fast he destroyed the 4th wall and Apocalypse's boot shattering the 4th wall were higher

That was base Hal. He's like Goku he's got more forms. They said he "fought evenly" with Parallax Hal and that's not even the strongest Hal.

they already did in the upgrade thread, sorry but Simon isn't Sassy The Sasquatch I guess

So is Tom fucked or does Wile E.'s bad luck cost him the match?

youtube.com/watch?v=5v3AV95jMqM

bad luck is a meme argument btw

Your face is about to be trash once I'm done with it, blyat

The strongest Hal is Spectre Hal who merged with DeMatteis’ Hindu view of DC’s God who transcends an infinite hierarchy of dreams corresponding to the collective unconscious or whatever the fuck. Putting him against Simon isn’t really fair.

Nope, and adaptation hax would've kicked in if it was the real CAS

Coyote's accidentally killing himself for sure. Tom also has his fair share of power feats

He also no diffed Parallax Hal. Putting him against Simon is overkill he's stronger than the normal Spectre.

Now post the part where CAS is KO'd

The fact Kim has fought Super powered being before.

Doesn't Kim like have a busted to shit nano suit with energy blasts shape shifting into weapons and blatant super strength?

Can't since it never happened

God's Casper, that's pretty funny.