why do fights in comic books suck compared to anime?
Why do fights in comic books suck compared to anime?
Comic writers feel the need to justify their job by writing a fuck ton of words. Manga creators are usually the artist and writer and are smart enough to know that during fights the art should largely do the talking
I agree but why compare one of the better animated superhero fights with a subpar Super era fight?
Too much yammering and too much compression.
In manga a fight can be considered a story in of itself. In comics the fight always has to represent something. So you need this whole backstory for why the fight is happening, and the protagonist usually autowins for that narrative not because the world building built up that he would have had the advantage in that scenario.
Because one is a series of still images and the other is animated, duh.
excuse me?
To show how abysmally low the bar is in the West.
Comics are reality based, Manga is power based. Thats why the powerscaling in Manga is mich bigger or quicker.
Popeye is in a league of his own.
They tried it in man of steel and you all hated him. Its time to apologize to snyder.
In old comics the stories where episodic and simplistic, while the fights where more decompressed and detailed, now a days the fights are super compresed and rely in few bold panels while the stories and dialogue get longer.
Learn to shoot a scene with a number of cuts lower than five digits and we'll talk, Zack.
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Non-sequitur.
um actually the spastic flying gif is way better than a concise grounded fight with weighted blows
weighted blows? Really?
Why do you retards always default to fucking Dragon Ball?
Both fights look awful. Left side looks too amateur and wonky while the right side is all over the place and way too disorienting.
The better question OP should be asking is, "Why do I have no taste?"
do anime fights
NOOO NOT LIKE THAT
Have some non-DB fight
The exception to the rule, capeshit looks like action figures most of the time.
One of these is a low budget tv show on a dead network while the other came out in theaters.
cn show vs movie
It's more of a Anon Babble vs Anon Babble thread but anon needs to learn how to read comics. It's, like, a different skill. There aren't many useful videos teaching it, but storyboards can help you visualize how comic book storytelling works. You'll go from ‘'DB is peak’' to ‘'Meh, DB is whatever’'.
The dramatic dfference in movement and cuts makes this look like like one of those old chad vs soijak memes where the right is meant to represent someone having a spergfit.
two geriatrics limp-wristedly love-tapping each other with no indication of motion or impact
grounded fight with weighted blows
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There you have it, anon. Popeye isn't capeshit, so it's allowed to have good action.
The TV choreographic fight is still better animated than a feature movie
Comparing a primarily comedy show that's main focus is campy jokes to a movie anime that's main focus is fighting. You're comparing a guy that walks to work to an olympic sprinter.
that's an animation not comic book, but you answer your question there's less an emphasis on referencing real fights.
Good stuff
Do you want a real answer or are you just baiting?
To keep it simple: selection pressure and history.
Manga writers live in a cut throat industry. As long as they keep readers coming back on a weekly schedule they keep their job. Fighting can pad out a plot for months. Why do you think they all have sprawling casts? Keeps readers busy and gives you more to write about.
History is also a big deal to since most bongos are copying one another in one big, incestuous soup, and you give me a series like Hunter Hunter, or even dragon ball they get particularly popular for extended fightings, becomes the industry standard.
American books, descended from the likes of DC or Marvel aren’t really driven by action scenes since with only 22 pages a month they don’t have a lot of wiggle room.
Obviously, there are exceptions, but generally most foundational issues from the 60s or 70s keep any given fights in short and sweet.
Mangakas not bongos lol
He was asking about cartoons vs anime you retard. He just expressed himself poorly since he is a retard as well but his example was obvious.
nta, but one idea leads to another.
All these big, epic anime fight scenes are generally based off long manga fight scenes(not all plenty of OVAs and anime originals with good fight scenes, but a significant amount).
are there any truly long, extensive and iconic fights in comics that would lead into it needing to be adapted 1:1? So many classic comic fight scenes amount to a few punchups and haymaker and fin.
People always repost the Batroc page, and it's over pretty fast all things considered. This would be a few seconds in animation, a minute at best.
but right has too much going on, how is supposed to be better?
Damn straight.
Outstanding, sauce?
Jack Kirby and E. C. Segar were geniuses.
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This is a better animated fight than the DB super one
It's more of a Anon Babble vs Anon Babble thread but anon needs to learn how to read comics. It's, like, a different skill. There aren't many useful videos teaching it, but storyboards can help you visualize how comic book storytelling works. You'll go from ‘'DB is peak’' to ‘'Meh, DB is whatever’'.
Could you give an example? Is the way to read western comics different. from eastern comics (aside from panel order)? I haven't heard of it being a skill before.
also, the OP is comparing animation fluidity, not paneling.
The fights in the Cavill Superman movie were unironically why fucking better than pretty much any from animated capeshit.
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Frankly. I feel like the DCAMU Doomsday fight felt pretty close to an anime fight scene in terms of how it visually portrayed the mindsets of both fighters and devolved into a slugfest as they both got increasingly fatigued.
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None of these are good. A lot of anime fights are just characters flailing like ragdolls.
Snyder namedropped the 2000's Birdy the Mighty Decode series as an influence for the fight scenes.
This. Also apart from a few elites, Marvel and DC are only hiring bad artists who can only draw static talking heads in rooms. The fights in the Invincible comic are pretty good imo
Modern comics would never do this. The entire fight world be the first panel, then the rightmost from the middle row as a 2 page spread and then last panel stretched into 2 pages of words words words.
Dragon Ball Super
camera shaking and spinning all the time
light effects nonstop
Get a DBZ example next time.
You are blind if you think the second one is not great.
Based. That series has some pretty nice fights.
It was good but the problem was Superman doesn't kill and his fight lead to several thousand civilian casualties. Those fights unironically would have been perfect and kino if Snyder was making a live action version of the Frieza saga. The high death count just didn't fit the tone or character of Superman.
NuBroly's movie and fights had worse coreography than anything in Z Broly's trilogy. All that stylish camerawork for the most soulless punchup imaginable.
If writers had it there way they'd all be one punch affairs.
This is one thing that I hate in Super a lot. They basically hide actual animation under a lot of fast camera movement and visual effects polluting the screen. And the frame rate is clearly accelerated.
The anime fight that inspired Snyder takes place in an empty city that was evacuated after a bit cataclysm in the first season of the show:
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comparing comic books to animation
Do you mean manga? or comic book cartoon adaptations?
Mangaka took sequencing methodology from classic animation which is why there's a better sense of "flow" to fights. Jack Kirby also had a background in animation and you can see it his paneling
That fight is flashy, but it doesn't feel exciting at all because it never feels like Cap can lose or even that he is struggling. Despite looking cool, it's not very compelling and is lacking emotion and impact.
Both. Manga vs comic books and anime vs Western animation. I think that's what he meant because that's what the thread a sa whole is discussing.
tv cartoon
vs big movie
its because the genres don't ask for it
capes have roots in pulp fiction, circus strong men, and detective stories. influences not based around how good someone is at fighting.
battle shonen has roots in martial arts, and pro-wrestling. influenced that are based around how good and stylish someone is at fighitng
Good fights need to name the movements feel strong, they need more close ups of characters' painted expressions, they need energy and emotion.
Atla managed to have some good fights but that's the closest tv western cartoons have gotten.
I once heard Mark Millar say that DC stories in the 50's and 60's were more like puzzle or problem solving stories that straight up action. I've also seen this described as a way to avoid complaints from watchdog groups(even before the comic's code and the senate hearings)
No I think he’s just an esl retard and people discussed what they wanted to since you manga fags are weirdos
What do you mean? There are no comic books in your gif
Shame this was never finished
The 90s Tatsunoko OVAS are the shiet
People love to hate words, but sometimes they help. Steve really liked to draw fights with a lot of action
if you just put the speed of the superman fight to 10x it would look just like anime, it's basically what they do.
Could've used a couple more panels where he slows down as he realizes he's won, but that's mostly me nitpicking.
anime fights look retarded
I also like Cashern Shins.
In that case anon the 70's series is worth a watch, it's not that many eps
It's terrible. The frame rate makes it seem like none of the hits are connecting. The movements are flaccid as fuck too.
I'm firmly in the camp of characters talking mid fight being dumb and immersion breaking.
comparing Batman: The Brave and the Bold - a mainly comedic take on Batman where the focus is more about Batman hanging out with the more B- and C-tier DC characters - to a theatrical DBZ movie
But why?
Could you give an example?
The Master Race by B. Kriegstein is the foundational one.
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Forget it Jake, it's an East vs West thread.
The West will be eternally butthurt for the East poaching their audience with a better product.
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To be fair she's a cunt for the entire run.
On the topic of fight scenes, what's with the artists' obsession with this particular fighting pose between two characters? It pops up all the time and I'm not sure where it started or why is it homaged so much
some examples
Not sure but it looks good
comics are reality based
And exactly what "reality" do (You) live in?
It's probably not intended as a homage, it's just the most generic, neutral fight pose you can do. You know one hand is swinging and another is poised to hit, the figures are seen in their entirety. it's an easy solution to a problem that is coming up with how to depict a fight.
So much of the 70's/80's Marvel house style was about depicting either anticipation or impact and the case remains the same
being dumb and immersion breaking
Anon please, go read a biographical comic. Or Frank
It may not come off as such, but he's right in that it's what comics /try/ to be.
Your opinion on the execution may disagree with that. But trying to get things to feel more "real" has long been what superhero comics end up aiming towards. And part of that means trying to ditch anything perceived as unrealistic.
Pendulum does swing and occasionally you do have comics steer to exaggerated art, but even still the choreography of the fights rarely gets further than basic swingfests. You'll never see big two cape comics, at least as they are now, get into things like signature moves or elaborate energy blasts or the like.