Honest question, is MJ still salvageable?

Feige needs to merge Marvel's movies and comics under one united media division, he'd have final say over every decision made, even ones by editorial

She can be salvaged but it's gonna take some time and consistent positive characterization to do so. She needs to break up with Paul and they can't have her immediately run back into Peter's arms. Or even if she tries, he turns her down. We need to see Peter have a spine and her not treat him like a punching bag for at least a year or two. And even then any pretense of getting back together should be a slow burn.

Time heals most wounds and if she breaks up with Paul by the end of the year, MAYBE by issue #1000 we can hint at something romantic again.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'll take more Carlie Cooper. She might be boring compared to MJ or Felicia, but I'm so done with the relationship angst I'll take a cardboard cut out that would 100% support Peter no matter what he does.

MJ is just fodder for Peter to tell stories about

MJ is her own franchise now. I’d rather follow her than Peter.

No, she's shit, get her away from the symbiote already and give me actual Venom stories
REEEEEEEEE

Super hero comics as a whole aren’t salvageable

Let's say that tomorrow MJ breaks up with Paul, who dies soon after never to be seen or heard from again

And then she gets together with New Paul, who is taller and more muscular than the old Paul, has better spider-powers than Peter, and has a bigger dick than Peter (but that's not hard, a gnat has a bigger dick than Tiny Penis Peter).

Oh and then Peter is tortured or something.

Yeah you fridge paul while she is venom, its a great power and responsibility moment.

Honest question, is MJ still salvageable?

No fucking way at this point i wany her killed off or written off now piss off.

It's fascinating that Paulfags keep revealing themselves to be Mephisto shills knowing that Mephisto is originated from Mephistopheles, a Germanic things like Hitler, and Paulfags are Polish kikes. It coincides with Tom Brevoort who usually ragebaits makes a connection between Thor/Enchantress and Paul/MJ, hinting malesub presumably dildo fetishism. Now that MJ is Venom and Paul is leaving, does this mean 19-inches are too big for Paul?

What they did with wally west is just as bad OMD maybe eve hell they made him a fucking serial killer.

MJ still salvageable

obviously lmao but I can tell this thread is infested by Polack faggot and his Discord army of pedophiles

Absolutely nothing about mainline Spider-man books post-OMD is salvageable. Not MJ, not Peter, not Miles, not Silk, not Ben. not Aunt May, nothing.
You're looking at a steaming pile of fetid shit and acting as if a piece of straw stuck to it is worth more attention than the rest of it.

nobody cares about her cheating ass, if someone ever did.

Could you just ignore the last couple of years and move forwards hoping for better things or is MJ essentially "tainted"?

She's already been killed off & brought back, divorced, dated several other men, and run through the retcon train several times like all the other Spider-Men cast. And they still can't people to let go of the idea that she's Peter Parker's best match.

Yeah, as insane as the idea of Paul is on a meta level, a guy who was literally created to cock-block Peter Parker harder than ever before, I don't think he'll have that lasting an impact on the narrative. Like, if making a retconned story where Gwen Stacey gobbles down on Green Goblin's broomstick wasn't enough to ruin her forever for the fans, MJ's gonna turn out fine.

No she is not salvageable in fact I never wanna hear of ever again. For that matter I am glad they brought back Gwen screw you MJ.

That's pretty much the crux of it. MJ was heavily featured, albeit terribly characterized, in the first couple movies. And she's prominently featured in cartoons and video games. She's more ingrained in the Spider-Man mythos than Betty Brant and even Gwen Stacy. The only characters more important than her are Aunt May and JJJ. Try as they may, Marvel editorial can't put the shampoo back in the bottle.

Here's the fix.

Fuck off.

The Paul storyline is still going?
Jesus christ, I don't read comic but waiting for the status quo to hit must be agonizing.
Why are the writers so fixated on a guy that looks like the Nostalgia Critic?

honestly too much damage has been done already I just don't believe spider-man can be fixed. Maybe X-Men can still be saved but spider-man no way man.

I'm more of a spitefag than a Paulfag. I'll support any characters who piss you off.

There's no savings MJ without retconing Paul out of existence as an evil entity that was brainwashing MJ and Peter. Maybe even an aspect of Mephisto, because no way would MJ or Gwen be such a bad judge of character to sleep with someone like Paul and Norman respectively. Paul caused a whole universe to get genocided by his father, and she couldn't wait 4 years for Peter who she's the perfect match for and spent every second trying to save her. Even Gwen fucking Norman was retconned to the twins being cloned from her DNA and she never fucked the Greenie.

Kill yourself, the symbiote is for Eddie

Maybe X-Men can still be saved

Dude, have you seen the state they've been in for the past two decades?

Do you want to be eternalized in a comic book or something? That's the only thing I can conclude from you as you're not someone to be reasoned with and you're someone to be defeated, just because.

Why are the writers so fixated on a guy that looks like the Nostalgia Critic?

They can't get rid of MJ, but they can't have her with Peter. So they invent convoluted bullshit to write about MJ (omg she's totally in-love with a mass-murderer and is a super-hero now!)
They want to have their cake (no MJ/Pete coupling) and eat it too (continue MJ usage)

They want MJ to be the next Gwen, an uber popular female character independent of Peter but connected enough to the Mythos that she can force her into spidey stories for merch reasons. They know MJ on her own doesn't sell as a non-hero, same with Gwen, but they know if she shows up as a superhero in a Spidey story people will buy the figures. Also no one likes most of the new generation female Marvel characters so they're making a new one out of MJ's stupid Jackpot/Venom arcs.

The first crisis, it broke several dc characters to this day, to the point it is "undone" from time to time.

This, but also Comic Venom is a slut who gave Eddie Cancer. I don't know if it's been retconned yet.

MJ still salvageable?

Course she is, if you know how to draw porn.

They did. Turns out it has the ability to selectively plant and edit memories, so it basically gaslit Eddie into thinking he had cancer so it wouldn't leave Venom. Though that does carry the logic of how you can gaslight a man into thinking he has cancer so hard that he develops it for real, but comics have justified stupider shit.

Yes, you just need to get rid of the obese manchildren at Marvel Editorial.

you have to be willing to ignore and discard years of shitty stories

ok

I heard that's real, like people thinking they're sick can get those actually sicknesses. Even false pregnancies and stuff. Placebo effect basically.
I know Venom gaslit him, but I'd prefer if Venom didn't do it because it makes the relationship way too fucked up, since he leaves Eddie for Mac Gargan right after. IDK say he did it under Knull's influence or something, or Mephisto did it, or that Venom was forced to leave Eddie somehow instead of abandoning him.

She's garbage

Usually that happens due to huge stressors in the body causing it to react and weaken in ways that invite either illness or react more convincingly to a condition. Eddie spontaneously developing cancer because he thinks he has it is more of a comic book thing than a real thing, and one we have to accept since it's part of the story of how Eddie became Anti-Venom.

I know Venom gaslit him, but I'd prefer if Venom didn't do it because it makes the relationship way too fucked up

I do get you there, since a lot of stories since have framed it as the symbiote's biggest regret after attempting to murder Peter Parker for abandoning it, and it kind of retcons its partnership with Eddie Brock as an abusive relationship sort of deal. It'd honestly just have been simpler to say Eddie's body was breaking down from all the superhero fights over the years and the symbiote was effectively holding Eddie's broken body together like duct tape, which is why he forces it to leave him so he can die alone naturally in peace instead of fighting so long he eventually becomes a vegetable and literally can't live without said suit.

Yeah I know but compared with spider-man right now they are better.

Isn't she older than Peter now because of some bullshit? A comptent writer would probably be able to fix Peter/MJ's relationship but there would still be the matter of her age. They did a thorough job this time to make sure they'll never be together again. What Spider-Man needs is to erase everything post OMD.

Venom goes back to Brock/purges Carnage...

Mary Jane fades in front of Peter.

Find out real Mary Jane is still in stasis and that universe Peter saved her from was... wrong one.

Peter realizes what happens and makes a deal with one above all to let Aunt May go and roll back to the clock. a few years of spidey solo stories without cross over...

Call it Spider-man "the stolen years"

Nope. I just want to piss people off for my own amusement.

That doesn't make any sense because that's what you think one-sidedly. Like I said, you're not someone to be reasoned with and you're someone to be defeated just because.

MJ was tainted from the start and MJ-fags conveniently forget her role in turning Harry to druggie. She's shit-tier girlfriend who got pointlessly glazed by editorial deciding to make gigantic retcon about her knowing about Peter being Spidey from the start despite how it doesn't hold up and for all the talk about MJ "evolving", she's still acting like selfish bitch decades after her marriage.

Are you schizophrenic? When has any of that been true?

Remember the first time Aunt May died and the story was all about Peter having to face her mortality and move on because she's lived a long happy life, but then they went full retard and made that a story made up by GG who paid some dying actress to pretend to be Aunt May and he'd stashed the real one away in a house? Have it be revealed that the whole GG part was the start of Mephisto's plans to keep Peter from reaching his full potential and stopping his kid from being born, by always having Aunt May around. A world where he's so focused on keeping her alive and happy that he'll do ANYTHING.

Don't have Peter making another deal, have Aunt May find out the truth through some divine intervention shit and then refusing to go on with the charade. She says some words of wisdom about how he needs to learn how to let go and then she steps through some glowing portal that leads directly to the afterlife, where Uncle Ben can be seen waiting for her. Peter sees them hugging and then waving to him before walking off together. As they do all the bullshit that came from the original GG fakeout starts unravelling, the world shifting back to the way it was supposed to be.

I mentioned this in another thread but I can only see that happening if he's been in hell this entire time since calling out to TOAA makes more sense thematically there. I do like the idea of no Spider-Verse shit however.
Spider-Man: Rebirth, Spider-Man: the people responsible for this whole mess have been sacked.

People who read ongoing comics deserve to suffer. If you're an adult with disposable income, there’s no rational reason to keep buying 16-page floppies. You've fallen for a consumption model created out of necessity in the 1930s to 1980s—when American comics depended on newsstand distribution. What was once a pragmatic format has become an outdated ritual, now used to trap adults who can't let go of characters originally marketed to children.

The original floppies often delivered satisfying one-off stories within ongoing narratives. But over time, that structure was run into the ground as continuity grew increasingly convoluted. The fact that people seriously discuss "the devil" in relation to Spider-Man’s marriage is all the evidence needed to show that Marvel’s storytelling no longer deserves to be taken seriously. A decade ago, even fans admitted that the creation of the Ultimate Universe was a necessary concession—an acknowledgment that the original continuity had become impossible to follow.

Just stop pretending any of this is real. Just enjoy the Spider-man you like best.

She's been a whore since the silver age. Peter was always a cuck

Just stop pretending any of this is real

We already know it's not, no reason to spoil the fun of just gossiping

Just enjoy the Spider-man you like best.

I already do. I pick up the occasional Ultimate Spider-Man but otherwise read older issues for the most part. I just view what's going on with modern day Spider-Man as like watching grandpa in a retirement home wasting away instead of with his wife living it up in their own house. I know it's got little to do with me personally now, but I still peek in hoping that somehow his fictional story is going to end on a happy note so I can full close out that chapter of my youth on a highnote, even if I grasp it's majorly unlikely with how the industry sets itself up.

Absolutely. People have made characters that killed billions and had fans ignore that. I'm not going to hold bad characterization to characters and if you hold it to MJ its equally holdable to Peter, but this thread feels kinda baity ngl.
OMD was 2008, it was 17, regardless, do remember the marriage itself lasted for 20 years before they removed it, its comics.
Being fair, Ewing is defintely writing paul out, so its absolutely on the way out.
That's worse tho?

That's worse tho?

Not disagreeing with you there. Comics have a tendency to try and patch up contentious story issues by introducing worse ones.

That doesn't make any sense

How does it not make sense?

I want to piss you off

Paul pisses you off

more Paul will piss you off more

going back to Paul again

This was refuted before. If he can 19-inches of Venom, he would've said that he wanted to stay which he didn't.

MJ has been a terrible character over the last 15 years. It's time to move on.

Then which character pisses you off more than Paul?

Your anus.

NTA, but I don't like the Hulk at all.

Wow what a revel OG Gwen Stacy is really a mutant amazing man. Well on the bright she and peter can get back together now,

thinking anything will happen in a Gwenpool book

Lol
Lmao
Bitch’ll be dead again in a few months

Runied forever because of this so sad.

They could just retcon it all, no one would care if they said none of this shit happened.

Something did happen it was confirmed she was the OG Gwen Stacy. Coming next retcon of her "death" followed by her X--Men origin. as it turns out the stacy family had a numer of secrets fans did know about untill now,

thats not 616

How long until the X-Men editorial screws her?

Editoral says it is.

Short of crisising Marvel there's no way to unfuck what they did to MJ over the last 5 years let alone the last 20.

Oh yes there is.

It's funny to me how MJ has become exactly what Gwen was originally: a character that is almost universally despised to the point there will be cheers when she's finally killed off, only kept around because of misplaced nostalgia.

Mephisto made a clone of MJ just prior to OMD to really sell the deal to Peter and sent the original x years into the future.

Clone goes evil and dies.

Original MJ shows up.

It's just stupid enough to work.

People will literally just ignore things about comic book characters they don't like. Look at the X-Men.

The fuck you're talking about? We don't hate MJ. We hate what has been done to her.

They should just straight up kill 616 MJ and replace her with an alternate MJ from a dimension where her and Peter were in a loving relationship but her Peter died. Just write her as all the good parts of MJ that people loved without the baggage.

Paul isn't going away, MJ gonna get pregnant from both him and Venom

misplaced nostalgia

You mean people fondly remembering when she was written in character and hadn't entered into a pact with Satan because Peter couldn't find a single person the the super-powered planet who could heal a normal bullet wound?
I mean, the alternative to the above is saying "Yup, post OMD Spider-man stories were written well, in character, and are totally valid. In fact, Slott is the definitive Spider-man writer because he wrote him for the longest time."
Which would be madness.

They should straight up wipe out all post OMD Marvel.
You'll lose, like, 3 good things.

Absolutely and easily.

Could you just ignore the last couple of years and move forwards hoping for better things or is MJ essentially "tainted"?

This is a fictional character. It's incredibly easy to just drown out the bad stories with good ones. They just have to be willing to.

ewing says he hates him, and stuff like paul never lasts, come on lol.
MJ was a well written character tho? And editorial wants that but it clearly doesnt work.
The original cancer thing was that he ALWAYS had cancer, then it became that the symbiote gave him, and then it became that it gasliit him, so odd.
Based

All-New Venom preview is out. Still unmitigated trash.

Bbbb

New NSFW piece of All new Venom x Spidey
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Thought it was decent, flash was characterized okay

MJ is still Venom, so it's still the worst comic Marvel is putting out.